From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:40 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 204, Issue 3 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. And buy vinyl-ester only when you are ready to use it. It has a relative short shelf life. (Dan Heath) 2. Re: Fiberglass (ace nunye) 3. Re: Fiberglass (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 4. RE: And buy vinyl-ester only when you are ready to use it. It hasa relative short shelf life. (Dan Heath) 5. Re: kr2 handling characteristics (Brian Kraut) 6. Re: Painting tips (Oswaldo P. Silva Filho) 7. Re: And buy vinyl-ester only when you are ready to use it. It hasarelative short shelf life. (Ron Eason) 8. Re: Painting tips (Ron Eason) 9. exhaust wrap egt temps 10. Tonin Bengalis' books. (Harold Woods) 11. Re: exhaust wrap egt temps (Brian Kraut) 12. dynel (Harold Woods) 13. Fiberglassing front deck (William Clapp) 14. Is a KR2 okay for a low time pilot? (Dan Heath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:35:37 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: KR>And buy vinyl-ester only when you are ready to use it. It has a relative short shelf life. Message-ID: <3FA17619.000003.01492@Computer> References: <410-2200310430165010480@earthlink.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 RE =0D And buy vinyl-ester only when you are ready to use it. It has a relative=0D short shelf life.=0D =0D =0D And only if you have to use it. It is not for normal consumption. Resea= rch it well first. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From smwood@titan.com Thu Oct 30 13:07:28 2003 Received: from proxy1.semcor.com ([208.160.12.10] helo=war-xch0.saeg.ad.local) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AFK0u-000GJl-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:07:28 -0800 Received: from war-mgw2.saeg.ad.local ([10.1.0.28]) by war-xch0.saeg.ad.local (SAVSMTP 3.1.0.29) with SMTP id M2003103016120009725 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:12:00 -0500 Received: from war-xch2.saeg.ad.local ([10.1.0.20]) by war-mgw2.saeg.ad.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329);Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:11:59 -0500 Received: from lex-xch2.saeg.ad.local ([10.0.50.23]) by war-xch2.saeg.ad.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:11:59 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: KR>And buy vinyl-ester only when you are ready to use it. It has a relative short shelf life. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39F2A.736DAAA9" Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: KR>And buy vinyl-ester only when you are ready to use it. It has a relative short shelf life. Thread-Index: AcOfJWeewNZRGHqxTYedF8BPkTaMCQAAKFlo From: "Wood, Sidney M." 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If you can get an aircraft spruce catalog they have a section on fiberglass and it tells the types and weights of glass used on different types of planes. >From: Gavin Donohoe >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: KR builders and pilots >Subject: KR>Fiberglass >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:50:09 +1000 > >Well I guess all of you have nothing holding your KR's together other than epoxy!!!!! I thought this list was to help people like myself who are all alone out here with no local help. >You know I really don't have the information in my instruction book or the plans. Why doesn't someone tell me what weight glass you have used and where you get the information ? it's ALMOST AS IF I've BEEN BLACKLISTED this isn't really such a silly question is it compared to some I've read on here. > >Gav > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:14:32 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fiberglass Message-ID: <20031030.162248.3288.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Just order KR building glass from Wicks and be happy. They have been selling the right stuff for 30 years or more. They will know what and how much. Keep your resin fresh, Virg On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:46:32 +1000 Gavin Donohoe writes: > I wasn't serious about the black list stuff, it just seems silly to > me that > all of you are all at work glassing etc and no one can tell me if I > should > use 5oz or 100oz glass. And as it's no use asking the local > fibreglass shop > because he's running scared by liability where aircraft are > involved, yes > this list is our only hope. Remember some of us don't know Jack > SH--T about > fibreglass. > > > Gav > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Fiberglass > > > RE: I thought this list was to help people like myself who are > all alone > out here with no local help. > > Gavin, > > You are right, this is your only hope. I looked for the answer to > your > question in AS and Wickes. I found an Email address of > pilot@beegroup.com > and my request to them was returned, address not known. There ain't > no > black list, we are all just busy building our planes and you have > asked a > question for which we may not have a definitive answer. > > Be thankful, when I built my first, I was all alone and had no KR > Net. I am > building now and can't tell you what glass to use. I have tried two > kinds > and cannot remember what they are, but it seems that the best one, > although, > maybe a little heavy, is the one sold for the Long EZ. If I > remember > correctly, it is 5.5 oz bid glass. > > I was going to look in my plans for you, but it is not in yours, I > guess it > won't be in mine either. > > It also is difficult to estimate the amount of glass you would use > and what > kind to use and how much resin to use, because there are so many > variables. > What if you bought all pre-molded parts and were using wing skins, > how much > and what kind would you need. People use all different kinds of > resin, we > are using AeroPoxy, but will probably switch to West Systems for the > cowling > mold, but if I bought a cowling that would fit, I would not need any > of that > stuff. > > Also, you will want to only but what you will need in the next 6 > months or > so, because you want your resin to always be fresh. > > Netters, how about some suggestions for glass type and weight and > what resin > you like? Maybe some pros and cons to go along with it. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:38:07 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: RE: KR>And buy vinyl-ester only when you are ready to use it. It hasa relative short shelf life. Message-ID: <3FA192CF.000005.01492@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 RE: On the plus side: it's about half the price of epoxy, works the same= , has about the same cured strength=0D =0D I don't want to start the vinyl ester thing all over again, but I think y= ou need to know that it is NOT ( yes, that is yelling ) like epoxy. It is a= =20 laminating" resin and therefore, leaves a sticky surface for the next lay= er to be applied. You cannot sand it without gumming up your sandpaper, in fact, it is almost impossible to sand until you get that top layer off. = It also must be shipped HAZMAT, in case you care.=0D =0D Use the right resin for the application.=0D =0D Your results WILL vary.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com Thu Oct 30 14:36:47 2003 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com ([64.136.22.74]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AFLPL-000Hqn-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:36:47 -0800 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"oW6qI6wMsUtv1XrWoHzIbePmsDrC34+TBdY/e8Ic9BC6tifKTNAgWRdmrjHMP7J/">; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:40:39 PST Received: (from joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JDR9JXYK; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:40:39 PST To: krnet@mylist.net Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:39:44 -0500 Subject: Re: KR>Fiberglass Message-ID: <20031030.173945.-410875.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,6-8,10-108 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Joseph H Horton X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Gavin The aircraft Spruce and Wicks catalogs in the glass descriptions say as used in KR. That is how I ordered mine. It is a 18 x 18 thread count at about 5.5 oz. I don't have the catalogs here to get the actual number. I figured yardage and came up short 3 times now. Only order epoxy as you need it so it doesn't collect moisture. I did it a gallon at a time and tried to plan and check when I was using any large amount at one time. I hope this helps-- Joe Horton On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:46:32 +1000 Gavin Donohoe writes: > I wasn't serious about the black list stuff, it just seems silly to > me that > all of you are all at work glassing etc and no one can tell me if I > should > use 5oz or 100oz glass. And as it's no use asking the local > fibreglass shop > because he's running scared by liability where aircraft are > involved, yes > this list is our only hope. Remember some of us don't know Jack > SH--T about > fibreglass. > > > Gav > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Fiberglass > > > RE: I thought this list was to help people like myself who are > all alone > out here with no local help. > > Gavin, > > You are right, this is your only hope. I looked for the answer to > your > question in AS and Wickes. I found an Email address of > pilot@beegroup.com > and my request to them was returned, address not known. There ain't > no > black list, we are all just busy building our planes and you have > asked a > question for which we may not have a definitive answer. > > Be thankful, when I built my first, I was all alone and had no KR > Net. I am > building now and can't tell you what glass to use. I have tried two > kinds > and cannot remember what they are, but it seems that the best one, > although, > maybe a little heavy, is the one sold for the Long EZ. If I > remember > correctly, it is 5.5 oz bid glass. > > I was going to look in my plans for you, but it is not in yours, I > guess it > won't be in mine either. > > It also is difficult to estimate the amount of glass you would use > and what > kind to use and how much resin to use, because there are so many > variables. > What if you bought all pre-molded parts and were using wing skins, > how much > and what kind would you need. People use all different kinds of > resin, we > are using AeroPoxy, but will probably switch to West Systems for the > cowling > mold, but if I bought a cowling that would fit, I would not need any > of that > stuff. > > Also, you will want to only but what you will need in the next 6 > months or > so, because you want your resin to always be fresh. > > Netters, how about some suggestions for glass type and weight and > what resin > you like? Maybe some pros and cons to go along with it. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:53:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Cc: raylehigh1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: KR>kr2 handling characteristics Message-ID: <20396877.1067554408621.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Don't let everyone else scare you. First of all, it depends on what you consider a low time pilot and what you have been flying. If you got your private pilots certificate yesterday and have only flown a 152 it wouldn't be a good idea to just hop in a KR with a tailwheel and try flying it. If you have 100 hours and are checked out by an instructor to solo a Pitts and an Extra 300 you are probably more than qualified to fly a KR. I assume you are likely somewhere in between. Secondly, the answer depends on weather you intended to just jump in a KR or get some training first. My opinion is that a KR that is just fine for a competent pilot that has gotten most of their time in 152s and Cherokees if they get a tailwheel endorsement in a Citabria or Cub and also get some stick time in someone else's KR first to get used to the sensitivity. A KR that is not tail heavy also makes all the difference in the world. I think that if you are to take anyone's advice on this question you should have some idea on what their qualifications are so I will give you mine. I had about 150 hours in 152s and Cherokees before I flew my KR. I was working on an instrument rating and got about 30 hours of instrument time before I got the KR and I suddenly put all my free time and money into the KR. When I got close to being ready to fly I got about 5 hours tailwheel training in a Citabria. I also got a total of about an hour and a half in two different KRs before I flew mine. Now, 30 days later I have 25 hours KR time and after slowly increasing ballast weight I finally felt competent enough to take my first passenger yesterday. He is a low time pilot and just like my first time, he overcontrolled the plane for the first two minutes until he got used to it then he flew just fine. My best advice is to tell us where you are and what you weigh and see if someone can take you up for a ride. -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Hightower Sent: Oct 29, 2003 9:30 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>kr2 handling characteristics Is a KR2 okay for a low time pilot? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:23:18 -0200 From: "Oswaldo P. Silva Filho" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Painting tips Message-ID: <009d01c39f3c$cd6e06e0$ec3aa7c8@OSWALDO> References: <002501c3978f$813bc000$09fcd241@clapp><3F9506F6.000055.02224@Computer> <000d01c39805$1a746540$0100000a@z4o4j2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "molan" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: KR>Painting tips > > ----- > Bill, > > What is the best way to avoid "orange peel"? > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR > > May be to use a thinner mixture in the spray gun... > > Paulo S. Molan > KR 2S PT ZPM > Brazil > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:50:10 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>And buy vinyl-ester only when you are ready to use it. It hasarelative short shelf life. Message-ID: <00a101c39f48$f038ecb0$6401a8c0@Administration> References: <3FA192CF.000005.01492@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 The previous e-mail is a result of not using peel-ply during epoxy lay-up. Here is the reason to use peel-ply. [ Get the polyester lining [Peel-ply] from a clothing fabric store, it cheaper than from aircraft stores.] 1. The density of fiberglass and peel-ply is less than any resin you may use. Therefore, it floats in the resin layer [ on top of the surface like a wood boat]. 2. When peel-ply is used, the resin is brought to the top surface of the fiberglass cloth by capillary action. [ the cloth is forced to the bottom because of this phenomenon of nature. This excess resin fills the cloth pattern surface [ no cloth pattern to fill], [no additional filling is needed [less weight]. If to much resin is used it will sand off easily. Very little sanding is necessary if the right amount of resin is used. 3. Filling and sanding is best done on the foam before fiberglass is applied. My procedure is fill and sand to the extent that you would be ready for paint, the surface is fully finished, Then apply the fiberglass cloth lay-ups over the foam and wood framing. The above procedure eliminates 95% of the filling after fiberglassing.[ over lapping seams must be filled and feathered off before prime ]. 4. I have discovered that using the 1.5 oz. model airplane fiberglass with the last lay-up over the 5.85 oz fiberglass and under the peel ply eliminates pin holes.[ the surface is perfect however, the overlaps feathers off easily]. The 1.5 oz cloth lays-up over square corners also. Lessons learned laying fiberglass for 30 years. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: KR>And buy vinyl-ester only when you are ready to use it. It hasarelative short shelf life. RE: On the plus side: it's about half the price of epoxy, works the same, has about the same cured strength I don't want to start the vinyl ester thing all over again, but I think you need to know that it is NOT ( yes, that is yelling ) like epoxy. It is a laminating" resin and therefore, leaves a sticky surface for the next layer to be applied. You cannot sand it without gumming up your sandpaper, in fact, it is almost impossible to sand until you get that top layer off. It also must be shipped HAZMAT, in case you care. Use the right resin for the application. Your results WILL vary. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:52:17 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Painting tips Message-ID: <00ae01c39f49$3d1aa050$6401a8c0@Administration> References: <002501c3978f$813bc000$09fcd241@clapp><3F9506F6.000055.02224@Computer><000d01c39805$1a746540$0100000a@z4o4j2> <009d01c39f3c$cd6e06e0$ec3aa7c8@OSWALDO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Thin the paint with solvent. Krron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oswaldo P. Silva Filho" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: Re: KR>Painting tips > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "molan" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Painting tips > > > > > > ----- > > Bill, > > > > What is the best way to avoid "orange peel"? > > > > N64KR > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR > > > > May be to use a thinner mixture in the spray gun... > > > > Paulo S. Molan > > KR 2S PT ZPM > > Brazil > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:46:28 EST From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>exhaust wrap egt temps Message-ID: <1d6.134df431.2cd30ae4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 hi all my egt temps are higher now after warping i guess this is normal but like to see if others experienced the same. old temps 1200 1250 climb out now IM see 1300 1350 back to 1200 at cruse 3200 rpms all so it takes longer to come back down at idle. on the tangible side its as strong as its ever been after the intake and exs wrap 3550 static not to shabby intake great planes carb revflow mac n1055a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:22:49 -0500 From: "Harold Woods" To: Subject: KR>Tonin Bengalis' books. Message-ID: <005601c39f4d$7ff5cfe0$08ee6418@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 Gavin. I got mine at EAA. That was before Toni's death. I believe that = his wife is still selling the, Check at EAA headquarters. They came as a = package of 3 books. Harold Woods Orillia,ON. Can. haroldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003From rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com Thu Oct 30 17:34:13 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.133] helo=ms-smtp-03-eri0.tampabay.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AFOB3-000LNh-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:34:13 -0800 Received: from zippersystems (153-25.201-68.swfla.rr.com [68.201.25.153]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h9V1cfqG023028 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:38:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>kr2 sportpilot? Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:38:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com, KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I'm collecting ideas for a KR2Ssport design. Let me know (anyone) of intellectual contributions you can make. Extended wing, slotted airfoil, Hershey bar wings, longer gear legs... Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Jeff Waldron Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:20 PM To: 'KR builders and pilots' Subject: RE: KR>kr2 sportpilot? the KR aircraft will not be classified under the new light sport aircraft category. -----Original Message----- From: Wood, Sidney M. [mailto:smwood@titan.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:31 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: RE: KR>kr2 handling characteristics The definitive answer is found on the EAA website http://www.sportpilot.org/fag_instructor.html for using experimental aircraft for instruction and compensation. Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 smwood@olg.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Waldron [mailto:jwaldron@GuarantyBankVA.com] Sent: Thu 10/30/2003 10:01 AM To: 'KR builders and pilots' Cc: Subject: RE: KR>kr2 handling characteristics Wouldn't the pilot owner have to be a CFI and wouldn't they also have to let you use his/her plane at no cost other than fuel. If you were to pay for it the training because it is an experimental aircraft? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Stone [mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com ] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:37 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>kr2 handling characteristics It's OK for a low time pilot to attempt flying a KR but only if he has a death wish. If you were trained on a Cessna l50 or 152 as most of us were, this is a very forgiving low performance aircraft. The KR's on the other hand are a high performance aircraft and not forgiving at all. Find someone who ownes a 2 place KR-2 and learn to fly it with them even if you have to pay for it. This will be money well spent. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Hightower" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: KR>kr2 handling characteristics > Is a KR2 okay for a low time pilot? > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>exhaust wrap egt temps Message-ID: <30448618.1067564852683.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 According to the description in the Aircraft Spruce catalog wrapping the exhaust creates more horsepower by maintaining hotter exhaust gasses that exit the system faster through decreased density and increasing exhaust scavenging. I had assumed that the power increase would be so small that you wouldn't notice and that the major benefit would be to just keep temps in the cowl down. Are you seeing a real noticeable increase in power? Can you give an idea how much percentage wise, rate of climb wise, or cruise speed wise? Have you noticed decreased head or oil temperatures? Flymaca711689@aol.com wrote: hi all my egt temps are higher now after warping i guess this is normal but like to see if others experienced the same. old temps 1200 1250 climb out now IM see 1300 1350 back to 1200 at cruse 3200 rpms all so it takes longer to come back down at idle. on the tangible side its as strong as its ever been after the intake and exs wrap 3550 static not to shabby intake great planes carb revflow mac n1055a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:02:17 -0500 From: "Harold Woods" To: Subject: KR>dynel Message-ID: <00d601c39f53$034cc290$08ee6418@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 The original KR was covered in dynel. It is the most terrible stuff. It = is a maximum problem to sand as it is very slippery. When the epoxy is = added the cloth sticks up its fibres in all directions and soaks up too = much epoxy. It certainly is NOT strong as compared to fibreglass.To = apply glass at 45 degrees will give you the best strength for the fabric = but who needs it? It is far stronger than dynel to begin with. Away back = "when" I added a second layer of glass over top of the dynel.Now I have = the heaviest wings around. There is only one use for dynel. It can be = added over top of glass to produce a surface that is very scratch = resistant.Try some on the bottom of the fuselage if you are using the = old retractable undercarriage system. Then it might come in handy some = day. Regards to all Harold Woods Orillia, ON. Can. haroldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003From Goreebethray@aol.com Thu Oct 30 18:09:48 2003 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.161]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AFOjU-000M3g-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:09:48 -0800 Received: from Goreebethray@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.7f.3e744598 (4539) for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:10:46 -0500 (EST) From: Goreebethray@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.3e744598.2cd31ea6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:10:46 EST Subject: Re: KR>Fiberglass To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I have checked the speeds of the KR2S and those listed in the requirements for the Sport Pilot License and they are close. My KR2S will have an 1835 cc engine, at first, And I am curious if it may qualify for the Sport Pilots requirements. Ray Goree ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:25:25 -0500 From: "William Clapp" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Fiberglassing front deck Message-ID: <005701c39f56$3f15c120$b0fcd241@clapp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 13 A question about laying up fiberglass on compound bend and deck work. = .... I have finished my front deck so far. I started with the = standard two bulkheads - foam betweeen - sand to shape - layer of carbon = fiber over that to give me the basic shape. I have added scince then = 1/4" ( in a couple area ) aeropoxy filler/and automotive filler to get = the shape I need up to the canopy. I can probably go ahead and primer = now and final sand for paint but have thought about possibly putting a = layer of deck cloth over the entire finished surface to give it = additional strength and hold all the fillers together. Is that a good = idea or not? Could the top layer of glass seperate and cause problems? = Anybody with experience in this? Ive also thought about using my nicely = finished deck (which now weighs 9 pounds) as a mold and from that make a = lighter deck but it already has all my attachment and fitting installed = for panel/tank/cowl.... I would rather not remake it. I have thought = about just painting as is and if I get filler swelling and seperation = later I can remove it and fix it - it is removeable. Just wondering = though if anybody has used deck cloth and resin over fillers? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:44:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: KR>Is a KR2 okay for a low time pilot? Message-ID: <3FA1CC93.00000B.01492@Computer> References: <20031030023035.51975.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 Raymond,=0D =0D I think the key word here is okay. Yes, it is OK. I say this from experience, but your results WILL vary.=0D =0D I had 135 hours in 150s when I had my first lesson in a Citabria. I took= a 5 hour aerobatic course, but never did too much with landings. Somewhere around 150 hours, I was fortunate enough to get some time in a Champ with= a friend of mine. Still, this was nothing like a KR. At that time, I was taxi testing my KR. At 155 hours, I took my first flight in my KR. It still had the retract gear, and soon after that, I had to change to the fixed gear, because the retract kept retracting on landing.=0D =0D I can tell you that those first hours, were very tense. However, if the gear had been right from the beginning, I think it would have gone much easier. I now have 185 hours in conventional gear, almost all of it in t= he KR. It is my opinion that once you get used to it, the KR is a very easy plane to fly, but you have to fly it all the time.=0D =0D Take the advise of the Netters and get some time in one before you fly, b= ut don't let it scare you off.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 204, Issue 3 *************************************