From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:54 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 230, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: DAR (larry flesner) 2. Re: Person Relief Tube (PRT) (Phil Matheson) 3. cabin width 4. Re: Person Relief Tube (PRT) (Scott Cable) 5. Re: Person Relief Tube (PRT) (Dennis Mingear) 6. Re: Person Relief Tube (PRT) (Dennis Mingear) 7. (Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach). (Dan Heath) 8. Re: cabin width (Rick Wilson) 9. Cutting Plywood (Larry A Capps) 10. RE: Scott Cable and Steve Jones Pictures (Philip Maley) 11. Re: name for Brian's 12. Re: (Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach). (Justin) 13. Updates (Colin) 14. Justin coolit (Colin) 15. It is that time again.... (Mark Jones) 16. Re: (Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach). (Dennis Mingear) 17. Dean hinges (Steve and Lori McGee) 18. Re: Dean hinges (Mark Jones) 19. Zenith carb (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:20:32 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>DAR Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031125142032.0081c650@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <001701c3b350$517232a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 >Larry Flesner, Is there anything we should know or do, with the DAR, >prior to calling for an inspection to get them out promptly? I presume your DAR has not been there yet. Why is he delaying? >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark and Netters, Builders that are ready for final inspection may (will) experiance vastly different levels of service depending on the area that they live in and the FSDO's controlling that area. My controlling FSDO (Springfield, Illinois) says they don't have the staffing to do homebuilt inspections and recommend hiring an independant DAR with "function 49" authorization. That means they can inspect and sign off experimental aircraft. The going rate in my area seems to be $500. A fellow builder and I are holding out for an inspector from another area (Memphis, Tennessee) to do the inspection for $100. It is currently scheduled for December 9. This must be cleared through his FSDO as well as getting authorization from my FSDO. My FSDO says they will not object to an out of territory inspector doing the inspection so hopefully it will happen on the 9th. As for what you need to do before inspection I can only advise that the aircraft be ready to fly (totally) when the inspector shows up. The biggest deal will probably be the paper work. All paper work from the FAA needs to be in order, W&B needs to be completed and documented, the aircraft log needs to be prepared with a statement that YOU have inspecteded the aircraft and consider it ready for flight. The proper wordage can be found in several sources. Make sure you have all required placards and that ALL switches,controls, instruments, fuel system,etc., are marked/labeled for proper operation. Talk to your inspector in plenty of time to get a list of what he/she wants and leave yourself enough time to complete items that are not ready. As to the various levels of service to expect. Your FSDO MAY come right out and do the inspection for no cost. I've know one builder that trailered his airplane (two of them) the 125 miles to our FSDO parking lot and said "here it is, inspect it". The third option you may have to deal with is inspectors charging from $500 to $1500 for the inspection. The last option which may be available in the near future to some is the EAA / FAA voluteer program. My best flying buddy is already licensed as a voluteer inspector but can't perform inspections until he has attended a class scheduled for January or the second class next June. I can't wait! I suspect the inspection process will be as varied as the individual inspectors doing the inspection. Get with your inspector and find out what he/she will be looking for. The EAA and/or your FSDO should have packets available that will tell you all you need to know and give you all the proper forms, etc. Hope this helps. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:41:23 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Person Relief Tube (PRT) Message-ID: <002501c3b394$8fd8fd00$9b97dccb@Office> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 I know a number glider pilots that have a PRT ( No 1) out the bottom of the aircraft, they eat and drink to their hearts content, and only land for a number 2. they can fly for 6 hours, depending on the weather. They use a slip on male Hospital tube dome ( like a condom) This must be better then all the jet fuel that gets bumped into the air, and would never reach the ground anyway. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:07:56 EST From: Wurlibird12@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>cabin width Message-ID: <65.1d6137a8.2cf51eac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 I'm new & I haven't bought plans yet but, I would like to know a few things before I do. Like cabin width ? Height? I havn't seen any listings of these. Thanks Dean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:24:54 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Person Relief Tube (PRT) Message-ID: <20031125212454.93909.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <002501c3b394$8fd8fd00$9b97dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 We had relief tubes on the OV-1D's, C-12's, U-21's and U-8's that I flew while I was in the US Army. I could tell you about a female captain that was a passenger on a C-12 ferry flight that thought she could use a male relief tube tube to deficate into. Need I say it wasn't a "fun" flight. I'll spare the rest of the "gory details". The relief tube has a "switch" on it. You have to push it before you fill it, else you'll be wearing "it". Lord help you if you had a falling out with one of the maintenance crew, they'd turn the opening forward so the relief tube would get pressure instead of suction. So you'd push the button before "filling" the tube, and it would never have a suction...so you can't use it...then you'd "wait to do it" until landing. --- Phil Matheson wrote: > I know a number glider pilots that have a PRT ( No > 1) out the bottom of the > aircraft, they eat and drink to their hearts > content, and only land for a > number 2. they can fly for 6 hours, depending on the > weather. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Person Relief Tube (PRT) Message-ID: <20031125213306.5668.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <002501c3b394$8fd8fd00$9b97dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 Talking about glider pilots, I've seen another technique that I thought was cool. They chop up pampers, or something like them, and fill a large heavy duty ziploc freezer bag. They relieve themselves in the bag, the pampers suck it up the liquid and they throw it away once on the ground. Simple no mess, well depends on turbulence I quess!!! Denny ... Phil Matheson wrote: I know a number glider pilots that have a PRT ( No 1) out the bottom of the aircraft, they eat and drink to their hearts content, and only land for a number 2. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it nowFrom DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com Tue Nov 25 13:31:21 2003 Received: from [208.28.150.50] (helo=notes1.CaldwellMfgCo.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AOkmG-000EgI-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:31:20 -0800 Subject: Re: KR>Marine plywood To: KRnet X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:36:44 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NOTES1/Caldwell(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at11/25/2003 04:36:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I really haven't tracked the grade of plywood used in the KR, but construction grade plywood prices change weekly. It would seem the few dollars saved with unproven materials wouldn't be worth the worry. "David Mikesell" To: "KRnet" Sent by: cc: krnet-bounces+dpurduski=caldwellmfgco.com Subject: Re: KR>Marine plywood @mylist.net 11/25/2003 12:41 PM Please respond to KRnet I also buy from Edensaw, great company and really good prices and discounts on shipping. David Mikesell 23957 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy & Carol O'Brien" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: KR>Marine plywood > Netters, > > Dan Rhin's One Design plans call for Ocoume marine plywood! I've > worked with this plywood for nearly 20 years and it is wonderful > material to work > with, although it does tend to dull your saw blades, etc., a little quicker > than other types of plywood. > > I currently have about 6 sheets of 1/8" Ocoume and a couple of sheets > of 1/16" Ocoume sitting in my shop waiting to be turned into Cygnet > wings! These panels are British certified and came frome Edensaw Woods > in Port Townsend, WA at 1/2 the price ACS lists it for. (Justin: try > Spar lumber in > Long beach). > > Regards, > > Tracy O'Brien > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:38:12 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Person Relief Tube (PRT) Message-ID: <20031125213812.86917.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031125212454.93909.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 I heard about a similar product mentioned on of all places the local sports radio channel (KNBR). There is, apparently, a company that sells a product for sports fans that is wearable. The storage bag straps to your leg with a condom like connection to your personal relief tube. Drink beer until the sun sets while you watch your buddies stand in line and miss the game. Seems like it would be perfect for those long cross countries. Denny ... Scott Cable wrote: We had relief tubes on the OV-1D's, C-12's, U-21's and U-8's that I flew while I was in the US Army. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it nowFrom wayne@hispeedwireless.com Tue Nov 25 14:06:26 2003 Received: from 209-234-167-3.gen.twtelecom.net ([209.234.167.3] helo=hispeedwireless.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AOlKE-000FQb-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:06:26 -0800 Received: from computer [209.234.167.106] by hispeedwireless.com (SMTPD32-8.03) id AFA92E0100; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:54:49 -0800 Message-ID: <002201c3b3a0$96306880$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> From: "Wayne Israelsen" To: "KRnet" References: <20031125213812.86917.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KR>Person Relief Tube (PRT) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:07:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: We used to wear this type of thing for off road racing but with just a long tube going out your pant leg and through a hole in the floor or in the case of our buggy through the expanded metal of the floor. As the story goes Ivan The IronMan Stewart was seen in a restroom before the start of the mint 400 near vegas with his foot up on the side of the urinal. One of the fans in the restroom said "Now I know why they call you the IronMan ;-) thanks Wayne Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Mingear To: KRnet Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: Re: KR>Person Relief Tube (PRT) > I heard about a similar product mentioned on of all places the local sports radio channel (KNBR). There is, apparently, a company that sells a product for sports fans that is wearable. The storage bag straps to your leg with a condom like connection to your personal relief tube. Drink beer until the sun sets while you watch your buddies stand in line and miss the game. Seems like it would be perfect for those long cross countries. > > Denny ... > > Scott Cable wrote: > We had relief tubes on the OV-1D's, C-12's, U-21's and > U-8's that I flew while I was in the US Army. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:53:05 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>(Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach). Message-ID: <3FC3DD51.000009.00712@Computer> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20031125091416.01d33a90@mail.localaccess.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 I'll bet 1/8 will be too heave and 1/16 may be too weak. I believe that = the plans call for 3/32. Besides, Justin has already varnished his boat. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Tue Nov 25 15:56:12 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AOn2S-000GTv-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:56:12 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.136]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031126000156.EPHQ11508.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:01:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FC3ED7D.00000F.00712@Computer> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:02:05 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Scott Cable and Steve Jones Pictures X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: You can see new pictures of Steve Jones beauty and Scott Cable building h= is canopy and decks at KR-Builder.org=0D =0D Steve Jones - Plane in the air - http://kr-builder.org/SteveJones/index.h= tml=0D =0D Scott Cable - Hard at work - http://kr-builder.org/ScottCable/index.html=0D =0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From rwdw2002@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 16:12:51 2003 Received: from web21204.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.131.77]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AOnIZ-000Gf2-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: <20031126001836.77401.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.252.70] by web21204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:18:36 PST Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:18:36 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR>I'm resuming construction on my KR2 To: KRnet In-Reply-To: <3FC3643F.2030101@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Bernie, T-88 is still the glue I would use. As far as construction goes, all the wood parts are still the same using the fixed gear. Dan Diehl, R.R., and Grove are sources for the landing gear. They come with assembly instructions. If you go to Dan Diehl's website he has the instructions there. You can also see pictures of how the gear is made. Rick Wilson. --- Bernard McLean Sr wrote: > Hello to all KR enthusiasts. > I'm wondering if you can help me make a couple of > decisions. > I am about to resume construction on my KR2 kit > (plans book no. 68) > which I started in February of 1986 and had to put > on hold for a variety > of reasons (lack of assembly space, primarily). I > managed to complete > all the wing spars and fuselage sides plus the > horizontal stab and, 17 > years later, am ready to begin assembly of the > "boat". > My questions are; > 1. Should I use T-88 glue or is one of the more > expensive products > listed by Wicks or A.S.&S. a better way to go? > 2. My kit is the retractable gear version. At the > KR gathering this > year I talked with many folks who suggested going > with the > fixed gear instead (which I have decided to do). > Now, what do I need to > do before boat assembly to prepare for the fixed > tail dragger > version? > 3. Does someone sell the fixed gear components > together with plan > modifications? > > Thanks for any ideas you can provide! > > Bernie McLean > Poplar Grove Airport Illinois > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:26:32 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>cabin width Message-ID: <20031126002632.92215.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <65.1d6137a8.2cf51eac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 Dean, The width of the cabin between the top longerons is 38" but has been made wider by several builders. as far as height, it varies with the way you build the rear turtledeck and how high you place the canopy. Rick Wilson. --- Wurlibird12@aol.com wrote: > I'm new & I haven't bought plans yet but, I would > like to know a few things > before I do. Like cabin width ? Height? I havn't > seen any listings of these. > Thanks Dean > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:42:34 -0600 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: KR>Cutting Plywood Message-ID: <000d01c3b3b6$2f37c630$0200a8c0@schpankme> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20031125091416.01d33a90@mail.localaccess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Matsushita "Thin Kerf Combination" Carbide Saw Blades, designed for cutting cross gain in soft and medium hardwoods and plywood's. The thin kerf lets them zip through wood with little or no effort, whether ripping or crosscutting. They're especially good for cutting plywood. If set shallow enough, they'll cut complex curves as easily as straight lines. http://www.medfordtools.com/matsushita/ <= Best Price Model Size Teeth Arbor Kerf Price ========================================= MS71436CB 7-1/4 36 5/8 1/16 $19.95 Larry A Capps Naperville, IL "Always try to be modest and be proud of it! " -----Original Message----- Ocoume marine plywood is wonderful material to work with although it does tend to dull your saw blades ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:48:18 +0800 From: "Philip Maley" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Scott Cable and Steve Jones Pictures Message-ID: <00ec01c3b3b6$fe960450$0301a8c0@wotech.net> In-Reply-To: <3FC3ED7D.00000F.00712@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Dan I noticed that Scott's fuselage (http://kr-builder.org/ScottCable/index.html) has diagonal braces on the top surface. My old KR2 plans do not show these diagonal members so I assume the original design relies on the turtledeck to close the "box" and provide torsional stiffness for the fuselage. Are the diagonal braces shown on the later KR2 or KR2S drawings? If they are, can anyone advise if there was any incident that prompted RR to add them? I'm sure they are a good idea but wondering if I need to add them to my KR2. Thanks Phil Maley Perth Australia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:09:41 EST From: FIXERJONES@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>name for Brian's Message-ID: <1a9.1d43b069.2cf55755@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 ok,here's a shot at the name thing. we all know whats involved to finish one of these birds ok,,ready for this? ,,hrer goes,,,,SANDY steve jones N212KR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:13:15 -0600 From: "Justin" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>(Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach). Message-ID: <003601c3b3a9$b4cffb80$47da1818@computer> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20031125091416.01d33a90@mail.localaccess.com> <3FC3DD51.000009.00712@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Hey wise ass Daniel. My boat is NOT varnished on the outsides. I put tape along the outside, varnshied the insides of it but not where glueing will be done. Same for the HS stab, i taped the spar tops and varnished the middle, 3 coats worth. I simply seen an ad for aircraft plywood, with that name in mind I gave it a shot on the net to see if it would be good for the KR or not. Looks like ill be putting on Bass wood, stronger,heavier but cheaper. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: KR>(Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach). I'll bet 1/8 will be too heave and 1/16 may be too weak. I believe that the plans call for 3/32. Besides, Justin has already varnished his boat. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:18:06 -0500 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Updates Message-ID: <003b01c3b3bb$25e5a890$f2452141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 13 Netters, Here is my solution after listening to everyone who contributed to my = installation and also considering my racing experience of how to deal = with these belts. Keep in mind when looking at these pictures ( when = Dan Heath gets a chance to post them to our site), that I am NOT = attempting to make our aircraft withstand a 6-7 g load, nor a = catastrophic failure/crash. My experience has been in both the racing = world and the flying world, that to properly prepare an aircraft to = withstand these kinds of situations makes it impractical to fly. I have = thoughtfully reinforced the mounting as suggested by several netters, to = withstand considerable loads. My intent has always been to keep the = belts operating in as straight of a line as possible, because although = valid arguments have been made to the contrary for attachments, the = belts degrade dramatically in their strength and longevity if they = become twisted or kinked. Dale Earnhart's death is a recent example of a = perfectly good belt system over-designed for the job, but installed = incorrectly, and the belt failed causing an unprepared secondary = collision within the vehicle. I can't remember who, but one netter said = make sure it is comfortable, because otherwise you won't wear it. Never = so true a statement. The quote "example FAA certified Cessna's" have = their shoulder belts in a bad location for short people, like me. I = stand 5'4" and the shoulder belt cuts into my neck, and attempts to = strangle me. I wear it only for take off and landing, due to regs, = otherwise I would not even then. My belts will do no such thing, and are = installed to keep us in the plane unless there is no plane to be in! = Thanks for all the contributions. Getting closer..... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html Sanford, Florida KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt VernonFrom flykr2s@wi.rr.com Tue Nov 25 17:17:36 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.115]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AOoJD-000I4w-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:17:36 -0800 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-81-78.wi.rr.com [65.31.81.78]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hAQ1NEos020397 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:23:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <008401c3b3bb$f5f5f8a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" References: <5.2.1.1.1.20031125091416.01d33a90@mail.localaccess.com> <3FC3DD51.000009.00712@Computer> <003601c3b3a9$b4cffb80$47da1818@computer> Subject: Re: KR>(Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach). Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:23:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Justin, That is not what you told us before. Previously, you said you varnished all the wood. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: Re: KR>(Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach). > Hey wise ass Daniel. My boat is NOT varnished on the outsides. I put > tape along the outside, varnshied the insides of it but not where > glueing will be > done. Same for the HS stab, i taped the spar tops and varnished the middle, > 3 coats worth. > > I simply seen an ad for aircraft plywood, with that name in mind I gave > it a shot on the net to see if it would be good for the KR or not. > Looks like ill be putting on Bass wood, stronger,heavier but cheaper. > > Justin > N116JW > www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:53 PM > Subject: KR>(Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach). > > > I'll bet 1/8 will be too heave and 1/16 may be too weak. I believe > that the > plans call for 3/32. Besides, Justin has already varnished his boat. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:25:49 -0500 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Justin coolit Message-ID: <005501c3b3bc$39a4a1a0$f2452141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 Justin you need to tone it down. All are here to benefit. If you can't appreciate that find a bulletin = board, or chat group fro your insolence. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html Sanford, Florida KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt VernonFrom jmw116@socal.rr.com Tue Nov 25 17:26:44 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03-qfe0.socal.rr.com ([66.75.162.135] helo=ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AOoS4-000IEk-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:26:44 -0800 Received: from computer (cpe-24-24-218-71.socal.rr.com [24.24.218.71]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hAQ1WRmB018419 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:32:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001301c3b3ac$65269500$47da1818@computer> From: "Justin" To: "KRnet" References: <005501c3b3bc$39a4a1a0$f2452141@Beverly> Subject: Re: KR>Justin coolit Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:32:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Varnished all wood except the outsides. cool it? How would you like it if someone was being a smart ass with incorrect data? Put yourself in my shoes. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: KR>Justin coolit Justin you need to tone it down. All are here to benefit. If you can't appreciate that find a bulletin board, or chat group fro your insolence. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html Sanford, Florida KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt Vernon_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:34:22 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>It is that time again.... Message-ID: <009501c3b3bd$6be582a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Netters, It is time again to remember our etiquette on the Net. Calling folks = names does not get you any where with this group and it certainly does = not help your popularity on the Net. Furthermore, 99.99% of the fine = folks on the Net do not want to read that crap. Another thing we all = need to do is eliminate useless posts to the Net. One I can think of = which is currently going on is naming planes. I admit I am guilty as I = made a post with a name but enough is enough. Also, remember to change = the subject to match the content of a post when you reply and discuss = something totally different than the original post. I have been on the = Net a long time and have really miss the old days when we all talked KR = and strictly KR and did not try and reinvent the wheel and discuss every = other worldly issue other than KR's. Get the message? I doubt it!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:41:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>(Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach). Message-ID: <20031126014102.96234.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <003601c3b3a9$b4cffb80$47da1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 It's just a few onces of varnish one way or the other! Relax ... I don't understand your attitude here. People make mistatements all the time, roll with the punch ... politely correct them and move on. You could even try ignoring incorrect statements ... this is the internet lots of trash gets moved around, so what. There was lots of traffic months ago regarding your fuse I didn't see you going ballistic then. Your response reminds me of a bad "To much coffee" commercial, please relax this is supposed to fun and educational. Denny ... Justin wrote: Hey wise ass Daniel. at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it nowFrom flykr2s@wi.rr.com Tue Nov 25 17:44:45 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.129]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AOojV-000IXu-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:44:45 -0800 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-81-78.wi.rr.com [65.31.81.78]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hAQ1oQsj021321 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:50:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009f01c3b3bf$c27b6ce0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" References: <005501c3b3bc$39a4a1a0$f2452141@Beverly> <001301c3b3ac$65269500$47da1818@computer> Subject: Re: KR>Justin coolit Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:51:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Justin, Your language and attitude are not acceptable here on the Net. You cool it or I personally will call the Net Administrator and ask that you be removed from our group. You may remember that I once stood up for you and expressed concern about the way you were being slammed by others. Well, I have since done a lot of research on your web site and found many things which have changed my mind. Did you notice your web page is not listed on the KR-Net page any longer? Maybe it had something to do with all the content which was not KR related and is not supported by the KR family. Get the point? I doubt it!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:32 PM Subject: Re: KR>Justin coolit > Varnished all wood except the outsides. cool it? How would you like it > if someone was being a smart ass with incorrect data? Put yourself in > my shoes. > > Justin > N116JW > www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:25 PM > Subject: KR>Justin coolit > > > Justin you need to tone it down. > All are here to benefit. If you can't appreciate that find a bulletin board, > or chat group fro your insolence. > > Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html > Sanford, Florida > KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt > Vernon_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:06:28 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>Dean hinges Message-ID: <003201c3b3c1$e76c7290$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 Can someone send me a pic and or describe the exact bolt, bearing, = washer, whatever configuration in conecting the hinges? Thanks in advance. Safe Flying to ya! Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:10:47 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Dean hinges Message-ID: <00c901c3b3c2$81cb0860$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <003201c3b3c1$e76c7290$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Here it is http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dean_hinge/ Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Lori McGee" Can someone send me a pic and or describe the exact bolt, bearing, washer, whatever configuration in conecting the hinges? Thanks in advance. .html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:59:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Zenith carb Message-ID: <16759758.1069815556940.JavaMail.root@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Since I have put in an air/fuel ratio gauge I have noticed very wide changes in the air/fuel ratio at different throttle settings and with small changes in the amount of carb heat used. If I adjust the mixture for a perfect 14.7/1 ratio at about 75% power it will stay there, but increasing the throttle just a few hundred RPM will peg the meter at full lean and decreasing it to about 50% power will peg it at full rich. Partial carb heat will also peg it at full rich. I have determined that this has been the cause of my engine problems all along. I have been needing partial carb heat to keep the mixture from going to lean at times at high power settings, and sometimes I was getting a fouled plug and loosing a cylinder after pulling the engine back to low power settings. Anyone else had any similar problems with the Zenith 1821 carb? Is it normal to have to fiddle with the mixture every time you make a power change with one? Is it just not a very good at keeping a consistent mixture at different throttle settings or is there something wrong with mine? Would having the main mixture a little lean and the idle mixture a little rich make as big a difference as I am seeing in the 50-100% power throttle range? Signed, All Mixed Up ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 230, Issue 2 *************************************