From: krnet-bounces+markl=hiwaay.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:13 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 224, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: AlphaBravo web site. (alphabravo pilot) 2. Re: type IV conversion VW crank Failure (Phil Matheson) 3. new pics (alphabravo pilot) 4. Re: Aileron Control / suppliers (Phil Matheson) 5. Re: Aileron Cables (Phil Matheson) 6. Re: Aircraft build sit info (Phil Matheson) 7. Re: Aileron Control / suppliers (Les Criscillo) 8. Re: Aircraft build sit info 9. Re: type IV conversion manual dene colllet (Mark Langford) 10. RE: type IV conversion manual dene colllet (Rick Wilson) 11. Re: type IV conversion manual dene colllet (Barry Kruyssen) 12. Re: type IV conversion manual dene colllet (Mark Langford) 13. Re: type IV conversion manual dene colllet (Mark Langford) 14. Lightening the load (Steve and Lori McGee) 15. Re: Bad Windshield News (Dan Heath) 16. instrument lighting (Brian Kraut) 17. RE: Lightening the load (Wood, Sidney M.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:29:37 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>AlphaBravo web site. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 yes, I will add them withen next few days...I acctualy have many things that I'm bussy in, and the problem is just the time specially these days becuase we are in ramadan and we are fasting every year in this month _stop eating and drinking from earlly morning until sun sit (6oclook evening)_ so its very deficult to prepare them withen short time.. but I will do my best to cover them withen these few days hopefully best regards NASSER >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "krnet@mylist.net" >Subject: KR>AlphaBravo web site. >Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:58:28 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > >Your cowling looks great. What kind of foam did you use? Are you >going to add any narrative to your pictures? I sure would like to read >about your process. > >N64KR > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >DanRH@KR-Builder.org > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > >See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:35:04 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>type IV conversion VW crank Failure Message-ID: <005201c3ae13$850206a0$d196dccb@Office> References: <000001c3ae0b$23bf2ab0$17ed1ec4@norman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 I have hear of a number of VW crank failures. I'm, looking at a Rev Master 2100 here in Australia that the thrust bearing has failed, and needs a new crank I'm talking with REv Master at the moment about prices, approx. $1000 Aust. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:43:19 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>new pics Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 Hi firends .... there are new photos in www.uaespaces.com I would like just to pologise about some few problems about some photos in there.. best regards from almarzuoqi and haroldwoods _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:47:54 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control / suppliers Message-ID: <005c01c3ae15$523ecee0$d196dccb@Office> References: <74.35455cd0.2ce58a74@aol.com><005201c3aa9e$11ff3b00$fa97dccb@Office> <00d101c3aaac$6d465ad0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Let me know what you find out..I've been looking into several options. I'm thinking about having a set of transmission cables made custom length by B+M ----------------------------------------- Les. I have found the Manufactures of the Cobra and Jabiru control cables. I rang them and they said about $80 Aust each for aileron cables, They would need to now the following Tip to Tip length ( inner cable) Movement length and what end fittings, ( 1/2 28 threat for rod end bearing etc..) and type of mounting, ( threaded adjustable) TutHill Australia. 19 / 128 Canterbury Rd Kilsyth Vic 3137 Australia Phone 61 3 97206533 No web site.??????????? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:53:36 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Cables Message-ID: <006701c3ae16$1b9db620$d196dccb@Office> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Sorry Thread size sould have been 1/4 28 not ( 1/2 28) Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:56:39 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Aircraft build sit info Message-ID: <006801c3ae16$8be0b9a0$d196dccb@Office> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I found this link while looking for something else it hav many linked to all types of Other Aviation Links hope you find something that interest you. http://www.etigerrr.com/aviation_links.htm Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:59:17 -0500 From: "Les Criscillo" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control / suppliers Message-ID: <026801c3ae16$d53f39f0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> References: <74.35455cd0.2ce58a74@aol.com> <005201c3aa9e$11ff3b00$fa97dccb@Office> <00d101c3aaac$6d465ad0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> <005c01c3ae15$523ecee0$d196dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 I've found a set of cables here, originally intended to be used on a = transmission shifter, but the perfect length with eye fittings on the = ends. Thanks for the info, I'll include some pictures when I get it all = installed. Les Criscillo Tampa, FL Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Phil Matheson=20 To: KRnet=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 15:47 Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control / suppliers Let me know what you find out..I've been looking into several options. = I'm thinking about having a set of transmission cables made custom length = by B+M ----------------------------------------- Les. I have found the Manufactures of the Cobra and Jabiru control cables. I rang them and they said about $80 Aust each for aileron cables, They = would need to now the following Tip to Tip length ( inner cable) Movement length and what end fittings, ( 1/2 28 threat for rod end bearing etc..) and type of mounting, ( threaded adjustable) TutHill Australia. 19 / 128 Canterbury Rd Kilsyth Vic 3137 Australia Phone 61 3 97206533 No web site.??????????? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.htmlFrom smwood@titan.com Tue Nov 18 13:18:29 2003 Received: from proxy1.semcor.com ([208.160.12.10] helo=war-xch0.saeg.ad.local) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AMDEz-000ODV-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:18:29 -0800 Received: from war-mgw2.saeg.ad.local ([10.1.0.28]) by war-xch0.saeg.ad.local (SAVSMTP 3.1.0.29) with SMTP id M2003111816235321265 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:23:53 -0500 Received: from war-xch2.saeg.ad.local ([10.1.0.20]) by war-mgw2.saeg.ad.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329);Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:23:53 -0500 Received: from lex-xch2.saeg.ad.local ([10.0.50.23]) by war-xch2.saeg.ad.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:23:52 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3AE1A.433A7D08" Subject: RE: KR>type IV conversion manual dene colllet Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:23:51 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: KR>type IV conversion manual dene colllet Thread-Index: AcOuCzmsjdGA+P6pSpm2kfe3HLa23wADnNc7 From: "Wood, Sidney M." 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16:47:42 EST From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Aircraft build sit info Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Thanks,,,, that was an awesome link!!!! John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA In a message dated 11/18/2003 12:58:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, matheson@dodo.com.au writes: I found this link while looking for something else it hav many linked to all types of Other Aviation Links hope you find something that interest you. http://www.etigerrr.com/aviation_links.htm Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:21:46 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>type IV conversion manual dene colllet Message-ID: <004101c3ae22$5a919fc0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 > The clutch only has the thrust applied when the clutch pedal is > depressed as when shifting gears for a few seconds. The propellar thrust is applied for hours at a time.< Not only that, but when was the last time you saw huge gyroscopic forces from the alternator and fan trying to bend and therefore fatigue the crank nose? Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:31:56 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR>type IV conversion manual dene colllet Message-ID: <20031119003156.97527.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 Would that not be the opposite?- Thrust would be applied at all times except when the clutch pedal is depressed. The crankshaft would be under load when the clutch is engaged, it is disengaged when the pedal is depressed. Rick Wilson. --- "Wood, Sidney M." wrote: > The clutch only has the thrust applied when the > clutch pedal is depressed as when shifting gears for > a few seconds. The propellar thrust is applied for > hours at a time. > Sid Wood KR-2 N6242 > Mechanicsville, MD > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman Stapelberg [mailto:norshel@mweb.co.za] > > Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 2:35 PM > To: 'KRnet' > Cc: > Subject: RE: KR>type IV conversion manual dene > colllet > > > > Hi Dene > If memory serves me correct a cars clutch exerts a > force of about > 1700lbs thrust on the thrust bearing, a prop pulls > in the region of > 200lbs thrust on the thrust bearing. > > Regards > > > Norshel Control Instrumentation cc > Norman Stapelberg > Cell: 027 83 277 9725 > Home: 027 11 818 1345 > Fax: 027 11 818 3547 > > Mark L wrote: > I'd run it off the crank end, where the power was > meant to be > > Thanks for the reply, I was unaware of any failures > of the type IV crank > at all. > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef name=winmail.dat > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:50:27 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>type IV conversion manual dene colllet Message-ID: <004001c3ae37$216a1320$ea00a8c0@t1w419> References: <20031119003156.97527.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 The clutch is under load (torque) when the pedal is NOT pressed, but no thrust. When the pedal is pressed there is longitudinal thrust depressing the clutch pressure plate This is the thrust we are talking about. From: "Rick Wilson" > Would that not be the opposite?- Thrust would be > applied at all times except when the clutch pedal is depressed. The > crankshaft would be under load when the clutch is engaged, it is > disengaged when the pedal is depressed. Rick Wilson. > --- "Wood, Sidney M." wrote: > > The clutch only has the thrust applied when the > > clutch pedal is depressed as when shifting gears for > > a few seconds. The propellar thrust is applied for > > hours at a time. > > If memory serves me correct a cars clutch exerts a > > force of about > > 1700lbs thrust on the thrust bearing, a prop pulls > > in the region of > > 200lbs thrust on the thrust bearing. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:51:18 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>type IV conversion manual dene colllet Message-ID: <001e01c3ae37$3e912600$2402a8c0@800Athlon> References: <20031119003156.97527.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 > Would that not be the opposite?- Thrust would be > applied at all times except when the clutch pedal is depressed. The > crankshaft would be under load when the clutch is engaged, it is > disengaged when the pedal is depressed. Rick Wilson. No, the pressure plate sandwiches the clutch disk up against the flywheel when the engine's running, so the crank is still floating. When you put your foot on the clutch you press the throwout bearing up against the pressure plate's fingers, which disengages the clutch, but this tries to shove the whole crank through the case. VWs with loud flopping noises are often indicative of bad thrust bearings (or improper end play), but when you step on the clutch, the noise goes away. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:59:37 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>type IV conversion manual dene colllet Message-ID: <002501c3ae38$696b57f0$2402a8c0@800Athlon> References: <000b01c3ac81$7e1d1660$a598ef9b@telkomsa127179><00dc01c3acaa$1cf6f3f0$1202a8c0@basement> <00c601c3ad4a$770f9180$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Dene Collett wrote: > I was unaware of any failures of the type IV crank at > all. I talked to Steve Makish again last night, and he said he'd had one stocker break and a Scat 4340 break. Neither of them had a GPASC Force One hub. He went to the Force One and put 200 hours on it before going Subaru. > I was led to believe that it was a very strong crank which if done > properly would handle a lot of punishment. Even the failures mentioned > earlier only spoke of the welded hub failing. I think if you'll ask around, you'll find more. If you want to talk strong crank, check out the Corvair. Not one single crank failure in an airplane, and there have been more of these flying since the early sixties than you'd suspect. Nobody makes a "high performance" crank for the Corvair, because the stocker is so strong. Sand dragsters in CA routinely pump out 500 hp on stock case, crank, and rods. I know y'all never imported Corvairs to SA, so I understand why you wouldn't consider that option. > I have considdered driving the prop from the flywheel end but cannot > come up > with a way of handling the thrust bearing issue without adding a bunch > of unwanted extra weight. What's wrong with the stock thrust bearing that you're already using? If you drive it from the rear end, it's only inches to the prop hub. I doubt that it makes much difference to the crank, but I don't see the problem with the stocker, assuming you use the "double thrust" bearings that almost everybody uses (use the thrust half from two sets of bearings, so it works from either direction. > As a matter of interest I am getting a scrap crank from a local VW repairer > and am going to conduct a test to see just how much torque the > standard taper will handle before failing. I am first going to use > some grinding paste to lap the taper surfaces for a perfect match, put > it together with locktite and preheat the hub for a slight shrink fit > on the crank.For this test I will be using a welded flange to the > pulley hub with a long lever arm > bolted to it. But the largest forces are gyroscopic (which are trying to bend the crank repeatedly in opposite directions, leading to fatigue), not torsional. You'll be testing for something that will probably not be the primary mode of failure. > My guess is that for every broken crank out there, there are at least twenty > that have been working fine for many hours.There was probably a very > good reason for them breaking as well. I personally know of four KRs > here that have used that system and have flown many hours. I must > concede that they all use the longer taper as in the force 1 hub > (unsupported). You think a one in twenty risk of eventually having a forced landing is acceptable? Not for me, and I consider myself to be borderline foolhardy. And I can't help but wonder why you wouldn't start with something proven, like the GPASC Force One setup (although price would be a good guess). But I get the impression that even GPASC would like for more folks to go rear drive than the old Force One way (although I could be wrong about that). > If you could find that info I would appreciate it. I looked at this for about two hours this morning. Machinery's Handbook deals mostly in low rpm "machinery" type stuff, so I didn't get very far there. I searched the web for some shaft design stuff, and got bogged down in everything but what I was looking for. Then it occured to me...the reason I ditched the Type4 VW and went with the Corvair was because I didn't want to have to design a drive shaft. I have a 3" thick notebook that's chock full of design data for shafts, couplings, bearings, housings, torsional vibration, etc., and I STILL wasn't sure exactly how I was going to do it. Note that I didn't get into keyed or tapered joints at all, or I'd share that with you. When the Corvair came along, it didn't take long to jump THAT ship! The bottom line is that designing something like this is not trivial, even if you ARE a mechanical engineer. My specialty is not power transmission, but "design" work, where I try to think of the best possible way to do something, while balancing cost, manufacturabilty, weight, and that sort of thing. If in doubt, I'll ask a stress, thermal, or vibration guy to fine tune my work during the design process. Because the company I work for specializes in space and defense work, we don't have any real power transmission whizzes that I can pester about this. I did bounce it off of the stress guy that analyzed my prop hub for me. It happens that he's an aeronautical engineer, and has designed several planes around the Type 4. He's the sharpest engineer of any kind that I know. He laughed out loud when I told him about the plan to run the engine off the pulley end, and mentioned that even Steve Wittman designed a simple rear drive system in the sixties for his Formula Vee racer, and he was only putting out 36 horsepower! He echoed my sentiment to "go with the proven" GPASC Force One system. Even the guys who specialize in this stuff know that it's not an exact science. Torsional vibration is something that's almost impossible to model on a computer when the system is as complicated as an engine, even for the guys that I work with. There are way too many variables and interactions to ever get it right. I know of one aircraft engine company that paid an engineering company to design a shaft drive system for them, and the first example stuck on a customer's Type 4 self destructed in minutes! Contact! magazine is full of stories of guys who tried to make their own PSRUs or drive systems for automotive engines, only to have faced failure several times before experimentally working things out sufficiently to call it sucessful. Many of these experiments involved deadstick landings. I guess what I'm saying is that this has the potential of being a long road, with lots of problems, not the least of which is suddenly flying with no propeller. I hope you'll decide to do something that's been proven already. I know that sounds funny coming from me, but you've got to draw the line somewhere. You are welcome to prove me wrong and crow about it, but I'm not going to encourage it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:38:36 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Cc: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Subject: KR>Lightening the load Message-ID: <002f01c3ae3d$d9fb50b0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 All this talk of lightening and reviewing web pages has me seeing two = groups of builders. One side says it will be what it is and builds how = they want, the other looks for every ounce to save. =20 Having purchased a project that is slightly different than the norm = makes me wonder where I am at for weight so far. I purchased a fuse = that was glassed in and out - no plywood, like Eduardo's of Argentina. = Anyone have a good idea on weight difference this would make in the fuse = alone? http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ebarros/ Any one out there got a weight with the wood fuse and both spars, no = hardware, with or without elevator. (no rudder yet, no firewall either) If you would like to weigh up I would appreciate it. Safe Flying to ya! Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:22:58 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Bad Windshield News Message-ID: <3FBAD402.000001.02608@Computer> References: <20031118184836.45503.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Scott,=0D =0D Thanks, I may take you up on that. Todd told me that he would do the sam= e, but I have not heard from yet this week.=0D =0D Hang on to it. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:54:59 PM=0D To: KRnet=0D Subject: Re: KR>Bad Windshield News=0D =0D --- Dan Heath wrote:=0D =0D The only reason I bring you this bad news is so you=0D will know why it seems that we don't make any progress=0D and to discourage you from ever trying to do=0D this when you can buy a canopy bubble from Todd for a=0D little over $300.=0D =0D Dan,=0D When Todd Sent me my canopy, he sent me an extra 1/3=0D more or less extra windshield. It's yours for the=0D shipping costs if you want it.=0D =0D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D Scott Cable=0D KR-2S # 735=0D Wright City, MO=0D s2cable1@yahoo.com=0D =0D __________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard=0D http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom crainey1@cfl.rr.com Tue Nov 18 19:06:25 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.134] helo=ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AMIfh-0003dE-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:06:25 -0800 Received: from Beverly (242.69.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.69.242]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hAJ3Bkh7018354 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:11:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c3ae4a$dd299a50$f2452141@Beverly> From: "Colin" To: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:11:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>updates X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Netters, I spent the evening measuring and then notching my seat back for the new = belts, having completed the belt installation up top. Pictures on the = site, again thanks to Dan Heath. These are the street racing 2inch = belts available from Summit Racing for only $70 new, with very simple = belt latches for ease of use, and great installation hardware. Delivery = service is also great. Keep in mind for other supplies for your KR. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html Sanford, Florida KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt VernonFrom engalt@earthlink.net Tue Nov 18 20:07:19 2003 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.49]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AMJcd-0004Ku-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:07:19 -0800 Received: from louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.221]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AMJht-0002K4-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:12:45 -0800 Message-ID: <25416166.1069215164980.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:12:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Subject: KR>web site update X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brian Kraut , KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I have finally gotten around to putting a few new pictures on my web site showing my KR put together at the airport and sporting its new paint job. I also have a picture showing it with the canvas cover I made. So far the cover is working great and in the few months since I have had it at the airport I have saved over $500 on hanger rental. The web site is at www.engalt.com/kr2.htm I am still looking for a good name for the bird. If an appropriate name popps into anyone's head when you look at the pictures please let me know. My wife is still calling it "The Mistress". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:25:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>instrument lighting Message-ID: <10735081.1069215939135.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 I am manufacturing a fiber optic instrument post light for experimental aircraft (working on a PMA and STCs for certified planes, but it may be as much as a year before the paperwork is all done and approved). I have had a set of them in my KR and they are working great. They light up each instrument individually like the Wheelen post lights, but they use a central LED illuminator that only requires one power connection for a whole panel of lights and the total power draw is only 30 milliamps. You can get more information on my web site at www.engalt.com/aviation.htm You can purchase them from Aircraft Spruce. They are currently in stock. The link to the page on their site is http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/instrpostlite.php For the next 30 days I will give a 10% rebate to any KRNet members. Just email or mail me a copy of the invoice and I will send a rebate check. I am getting additional distributors, but I will not be selling any systems direct. Please send any questions to me at brian@engalt.com, not to the list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:17:13 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." 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