From: krnet-bounces+markl=hiwaay.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 1:52 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 233, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. TANKS IN OUTER WINGS (larry flesner) 2. Re: TANKS IN OUTER WINGS (David Mikesell) 3. TANKS IN OUTER WINGS 4. RE: Scott Cable and Steve Jones Pictures - diagonal braces (Dan Heath) 5. Re: Hard Copy Photos To Digital (larry severson) 6. RE: Wheels Tires Brakes and Master Cylinders (Darren Pond) 7. Kr plans (Peter Waijenberg) 8. Re: Kr plans (Mark Langford) 9. Re: Kr plans (Dan Heath) 10. Fun Friday....the fun continues. (Dana Overall) 11. Re: Kr plans (Peter Waijenberg) 12. Re: Kr plans (Peter Waijenberg) 13. kr and wings flexabelities (alphabravo pilot) 14. KR plans (Rick Wilson) 15. Re: Kr plans (Dean Cooper) 16. Re: Fun Friday....the fun continues. (Dan Heath) 17. RE:PLANS 18. Re: Upholstery - Pic of the week (Joseph H Horton) 19. Airfoil wingtip question (Larry A Capps) 20. Airfoil wingtip question (Larry A Capps) 21. Re: Kr plans (larry severson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:04:03 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031127140403.0082fa30@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <001b01c3b513$784faf00$03fea8c0@davids> References: <20031127.130601.2544.0.red-bridge@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 >As I stated in the begining, wing tanks are great because they don't >figure in the gross weight of a flying airplane, the weight only >becomes a issue during landing and on the ground. David Mikesell ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ David, I hope that what you mean in the above statement is that the weight of fuel in the outer wing panels doesn't figure in to the weight being carried by the wing attach fittings or else I have a GROSS misunderstanding of physics as it pertains to flight. What an airplane weighs on the ground (gross weight) is what an airplane weighs in flight and is weight the wings have to support. WHERE the weight is located in the wing determines the stresses that each part of the wing will have to handle. In the case of the KR with outer wing tanks it means the WAF's don't have to support the weight of the tank, fittings, fuel, etc. in flight. It also means that it will be an additional negative load on the ground. It could become a factor in very hard landings which would induce high G loads through the WAF's when the aircraft's support suddenly shifts from the wings to the landing gear. Other flight handling changes suggested by other netters would also apply. If your statement above were true we would all be flying a "flying wing" type aircraft. Once you got it off the ground it would have no gross weight. Think of the performance you would have!! This is not an attempt to continue beating a dead horse an is not a personal attach but an attempt to keep the information on the net as valid as possible. If I am GROSSLY in error here, someone correct me. Happy Thanksgiving to all........ Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:33:33 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS Message-ID: <001201c3b525$ba773da0$03fea8c0@davids> References: <20031127.130601.2544.0.red-bridge@juno.com> <3.0.6.32.20031127140403.0082fa30@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Sorry, I did mean in the stress and loads on the WAF while in flight since the wings are carrying their weight and it does not add to the weight on the fuselage side of the WAF...sorry should have been a bit more clear on that point. David Mikesell 23957 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS > > >As I stated in the begining, wing tanks are great because they don't figure > >in the gross weight of a flying airplane, the weight only becomes a > >issue during landing and on the ground. David Mikesell > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > David, > > I hope that what you mean in the above statement is that the weight > of fuel in the outer wing panels doesn't figure in to the weight being > carried by the wing attach fittings or else I have a GROSS > misunderstanding of physics as it pertains to flight. > > What an airplane weighs on the ground (gross weight) is what > an airplane weighs in flight and is weight the wings have to > support. WHERE the weight is located in the wing determines > the stresses that each part of the wing will have to handle. > In the case of the KR with outer wing tanks it means the WAF's > don't have to support the weight of the tank, fittings, fuel, etc. in > flight. It also means that it will be an additional negative load > on the ground. It could become a factor in very hard landings > which would induce high G loads through the WAF's when the > aircraft's support suddenly shifts from the wings to the landing > gear. Other flight handling changes suggested by other > netters would also apply. > > If your statement above were true we would all be flying a > "flying wing" type aircraft. Once you got it off the ground > it would have no gross weight. Think of the performance > you would have!! > > This is not an attempt to continue beating a dead horse > an is not a personal attach but an attempt to keep the > information on the net as valid as possible. If I am > GROSSLY in error here, someone correct me. > > Happy Thanksgiving to all........ > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:49:55 EST From: WA7YXF@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS Message-ID: <155.2856af94.2cf7cb83@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 They only KR I know of that has flown with tip tanks was in South Africa and after the first few flights he discontinued using them. As I recall it was something about the way the little bird would wrap up in a spin. I think I read here on the web or maybe one of the old news letters. Lynn Hyder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:27:36 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: RE: KR>Scott Cable and Steve Jones Pictures - diagonal braces Message-ID: <3FC68868.00001F.02616@Computer> References: <00ec01c3b3b6$fe960450$0301a8c0@wotech.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Phil,=0D =0D We don't have any diagonals. I don't know anymore about it than that. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From Boeing757mech1@aol.com Thu Nov 27 17:54:26 2003 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.104]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1APXpy-000Lg0-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:54:26 -0800 Received: from Boeing757mech1@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.125.282eae71 (2519) for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:00:10 -0500 (EST) From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Message-ID: <125.282eae71.2cf8062a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:00:10 EST To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Hard Copy Photos To Digital X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi Everyone, and Happy Thanksgiving! I was in Sam's club the other day getting some film developed and they asked me if I wanted to put them in a disk for a couple dollars more. I asked, what if I bring in photos that have been developed already? He told me it was 2 dollars and some change to have them put on a disk. So those of you who were taking photos of you Kr project before all of this digital and Internet stuff have a cheap way of getting your construction photos in the net and don't worry about the big side burns and funny looking shorts. We wont laugh to hard. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:31:07 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Hard Copy Photos To Digital Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031127182803.024fa720@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <125.282eae71.2cf8062a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 If you have a new PC with a cd-rom burner, you can get a scanner for under $40 and produce unlimited scanned pictures for the cost of very little time at under $1 per CD. This translates to 600-2000 pictures, depending on scanned resolution. At 09:00 PM 11/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: > Hi Everyone, and Happy Thanksgiving! > > I was in Sam's club the other day getting some film developed > and >they asked me if I wanted to put them in a disk for a couple dollars more. I >asked, what if I bring in photos that have been developed already? He told me >it was 2 dollars and some change to have them put on a disk. So those of you >who were taking photos of you Kr project before all of this digital and >Internet stuff have a cheap way of getting your construction photos in the >net and >don't worry about the big side burns and funny looking shorts. We wont >laugh to >hard. > > >Chris Theroux >Gilbert, AZ >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:03:01 -0500 From: "Darren Pond" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Wheels Tires Brakes and Master Cylinders Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <125.28250ff4.2cf6d50f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I purchased the brakes a year ago. Although there still in the shipping box. They are well made. Darren Pond C-GGGW KR2 CF-VML Taylor mono plane -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of JSMONDAY@aol.com Sent: November 26, 2003 11:18 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Wheels Tires Brakes and Master Cylinders Just wanted to get some input...on the KRNET.ORG website Tracy O'Brien is listed for brakes and tires etc. I am building a KR2S, Corvair engine, and tricycle gear (nose wheel). I will be ordering the Diehl mains as was thinking about using these wheels, brakes and tires as was suggested by Tracy.. does anyone have any input??? the package for tires wheels and brakes comes in at under $600. I wanted to mount these on the Diehl gear 3/4" Cessna type axles C-90 Hydraulic Brakes 6x3 Azusa Tristar wheels 13-500x6 Low Profile Ribbed Tires Hegar Heel activated mastercylinders - modified for pedal operation. I was going to use the stock Diehl nose wheel. Does anyone have any comments plus or minus??? looks like package is rated for 1200 lbs, and 60 kts landing speed which should pretty much cover it I think??? Thanks, John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 00:04:26 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Waijenberg To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Kr plans Message-ID: <20031128080426.57523.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 I have send RR a fax for the KR2S plans but did not hear anything from them. Left a message on their answering machine to please reply on my fax but still nothing. Does anybody know if they are closed for the holidays or something? Must also say that they never replied on my fax that I send seven months ago. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:51:57 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Kr plans Message-ID: <000901c3b5ae$69df6190$2402a8c0@800Athlon> References: <20031128080426.57523.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Peter Waijenberg wrote: > I have send RR a fax for the KR2S plans but did not > hear anything from them. Left a message on their > answering machine to please reply on my fax but still > nothing. I think the only sure-fire way to get through to RR is with a cashier's check. If you'll send them one of those, your stuff will be on it's way. They released a new price list in November, and the prices have gone up on some things. So check their website at http://www.fly-kr.com for the latest prices and just send them a check with what you want and I'll bet that'll get their attention (don't forget to add shipping or take a guess and include it). There are three small pictures of the KR1, KR2, and KR2S in the middle of the page, and the prices are located under those. Some of the generic stuff is sprinkled all over the place in there, so if you don't find it under KR2S, look under KR2 or KR1. Not the best website layout, for sure. I don't know of anybody that's just been plain robbed by RR, but I'll bet there are plenty of people who's messages and faxes have been ignored, so don't feel like the Lone Ranger! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:03:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Kr plans Message-ID: <3FC7478E.000001.03884@Computer> References: <000901c3b5ae$69df6190$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 It hardly seems right that if this person tried to order plans 7 months a= go, that he should have to pay higher prices just because RR won't respond to= a purchase request.=0D =0D This is something that is beyond my comprehension. Is there anyone on th= e NET that has an "IN" with Jeanette, and can find out if they are still in business? =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From jwaldron@guarantybankva.com Fri Nov 28 05:39:12 2003 Received: from user166.net531.va.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.216.166] helo=gb3.GUARANTYBANKVA.COM) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1APiq0-000OFG-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 05:39:12 -0800 Received: by gb3.guarantybankva.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:44:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jeff Waldron To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR>Justin's Inappropriate conduct Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:44:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I agree with Barry Justin, We were all young once. You just have to remember to think before you speak. Even if you feel someone has insulted you, be the bigger man. And just let it go. Barry wrote: I think Justin has got the message. I was once young and my mouth exceeded my brain on more than one occassion (as has been the case with most of us) and still does on the odd occassion. (Justin, don't prove this to one of them) I disagree with excluding Justin from this list. BUT, next time Justin......................................... Regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia kr2@BigPond.com AUF Registered 19-3873 http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/kr2.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:08:42 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Fun Friday....the fun continues. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 Welp, I'm at that point when all this work (assembly to some:-) is starting to take on the look and feel of an airplane. This is a pic about two weeks ago http://rvflying.tripod.com/canopyinitial.jpg Since that time I have been able to: rivet on the two upper aft fuselage skins, install shoulder harness brackets, install static system, install both fuselage fuel vent lines, install dual fuel lines including selector valve, permanently install rudder pedals, attach brake lines and master cyl. lines, install gear with Cleveland brakes installed, Imron paint canopy frame, forward rollover bar, upper brace, canopy release handle, and interior panels. Yesterday I was able to permanently attach the canopy to the canopy frame and start on the aft canopy lockdown in addition to initial fitting of the canopy skirt. I've also got to play around with some fun stuff: http://rvflying.tripod.com/panel.jpg The only things I have left to install in the panel are a Garmin 327 transponder, autopilot head, maybe a turn coordinator and switches. With the EIS 4000 system and Garmin 430 I've been able to downsize and unclutter the panel. The EIS system has been expanded to include the basics plus, carb temp, fuel pressure, fuel level, OAT, manifold pressure and fuel flow. The Dynon, which is flying with great reviews, is my artificial horizon, TC, VSI, DG, AOA, G-meter, volt meter, altimeter and airspeed indicator. The three steam gauges are installed against my better judgement but they're there, I'm sure that 60 year old technology will go TU in two years and I'll have to crawl under the panel and remove them. I stell kick myself for putting them in. The Garmin 430 will couple to the autopilot head mounted on the upper left of the panel. The 430 will also serve as my NAV/COM/GPS. Since I will only have the 430, with progessive standby frequency selection, I have no need for an audio panel. Since marker beacons are not required (and I never use them for IFR anyway) those are not being installed. Since I have all that space on the passenger side..........it's time to play. I am installing a 7" liquid cystal screen tied to a CD/DVD player with in turn will be tied to the panel mounted stereo PS Engineering intercom located the the left of the EIS head. Now it I could just find a place to mount that tray table so I say, "please turn off the inflight movie and place your tray table in the upright position":-) The lower center section reserved for switches is also the same size as the cutout for the 430. If I do decide at some future date to go with the Grand Rapids Technology graphic engine moniter screen, I can just reposition the switches, move the 430 over and place the screen where the 430 is presently mounted. Time and money will tell the story:-). BTW...........my fuel is located............................well, better not go there........... Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Installing Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:36:39 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Waijenberg To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Kr plans Message-ID: <20031128143639.46324.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000901c3b5ae$69df6190$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Mark, Thanks for the advise. The only problem is that i can't send them a check from the Netherlands. I have to get the excact price from them so for my bank to transfer the money to their account. --- Mark Langford wrote: > Peter Waijenberg wrote: > > > I have send RR a fax for the KR2S plans but did > not > > hear anything from them. Left a message on their > > answering machine to please reply on my fax but > still > > nothing. > > I think the only sure-fire way to get through to RR > is with a cashier's > check. If you'll send them one of those, your stuff > will be on it's way. > They released a new price list in November, and the > prices have gone up on > some things. So check their website at > http://www.fly-kr.com for the latest > prices and just send them a check with what you want > and I'll bet that'll > get their attention (don't forget to add shipping or > take a guess and > include it). There are three small pictures of the > KR1, KR2, and KR2S in > the middle of the page, and the prices are located > under those. Some of the > generic stuff is sprinkled all over the place in > there, so if you don't find > it under KR2S, look under KR2 or KR1. Not the best > website layout, for > sure. I don't know of anybody that's just been > plain robbed by RR, but I'll > bet there are plenty of people who's messages and > faxes have been ignored, > so don't feel like the Lone Ranger! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:39:08 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Waijenberg To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Kr plans Message-ID: <20031128143908.49266.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3FC7478E.000001.03884@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 Hi Dan, I just like to make something clear. Seven months ago I have ask for a quote. I did not ask them to send me the plans. I have also ask them now for a quote so to get the right price for my bank in the Netherlands to book over the money. I have a credit card and no tjek book but I saw they do not except credit cards. --- Dan Heath wrote: > It hardly seems right that if this person tried to > order plans 7 months ago, > that he should have to pay higher prices just > because RR won't respond to a > purchase request. > > This is something that is beyond my comprehension. > Is there anyone on the > NET that has an "IN" with Jeanette, and can find out > if they are still in > business? > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the > pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:04:32 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>kr and wings flexabelities Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 Hi friends ... I was wondring if any one had searched about kr wings flexablity , or even have some ideas about it . best regards AL MARZUOQI www.uaespaces.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:21:39 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR plans Message-ID: <20031128152139.54618.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 It seems to me that RR would be better off to let someone handle their business for them, Maybe on a percentage basis. This makes several times I have heard of people not being able to get them to respond. I don't know how anyone would go about getting parts from them if you can't communicate with them. I've been thinking of ordering a cowl from them, But I don't know about that now, I'll probably order from someone else. Rick Wilson. ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:41:38 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Kr plans Message-ID: References: <20031128080426.57523.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Peter wrote: >Does anybody know if they are closed for the >holidays or something?=20 I have requested information from them on two occasions. In both cases, = I got the information, but it took weeks to get it. My guess is they = are a very small shop and it wouldn't surprise me if they were closed = all week for the holiday. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@msn.com See my KR project at: www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.htmlFrom DanRH@alltel.net Fri Nov 28 07:37:17 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1APkgH-000PIJ-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:37:17 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.136]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031128154309.TZCA15697.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:43:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FC76D0E.000001.03016@Computer> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:43:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <20031128152139.54618.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>KR plans Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: RE: This makes several times I have=0D heard of people not being able to get them to respond.=0D I don't know how anyone would go about getting parts=0D from them if you can't communicate with them.=0D =0D =0D Several of us have offered to help, but ............ =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From N56ML@hiwaay.net Fri Nov 28 07:36:55 2003 Received: from smtp5.knology.net ([24.236.126.2]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1APkfu-000PF3-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:36:54 -0800 Received: (qmail 28627 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2003 15:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 800Athlon) (24.214.88.148) by smtp5.knology.net with SMTP; 28 Nov 2003 15:42:46 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c3b5c6$41eda030$2402a8c0@800Athlon> From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" References: <000901c3b5ae$69df6190$2402a8c0@800Athlon> <3FC7478E.000001.03884@Computer> Subject: Re: KR>Kr plans Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:42:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Dan wrote: > It hardly seems right that if this person tried to order plans 7 months ago, > that he should have to pay higher prices just because RR won't respond to a > purchase request. I don't think the plans themselves went up, just some of the other stuff like brake kits, and a few percent added to things like control sticks, etc. And Peter wrote: > I have also ask them now for a quote so to get the > right price for my bank in the Netherlands to book > over the money. I have a credit card and no tjek book > but I saw they do not except credit cards. >From the www.fly-kr.com website, "KR-2S Builder's Manual and Plans - $240.00. Shipping: $15 US, $20 Canada/Mexico, $60 overseas". So if you send them a money order or some other form of payment for $300, they'll send you some plans, I'll bet. I don't know exactly how you make somebody care enough about their business to actually TRY to run the business, but if I did, I'd fax it to them! I had another paragraph on my last post but deleted it before I sent it, but the gist of it was "not how you'd want to run a business if you wanted to stay in business". They don't return my phone calls or faxes either, but I was lucky enough to receive the new price list, sent to me because I update their web page for them... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:47:14 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday....the fun continues. Message-ID: <3FC76E02.000003.03016@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 Dana,=0D =0D I'm droolin. That panel is going to be real cool.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Fri Nov 28 09:38:40 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1APmZk-0005KT-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:38:40 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.136]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031128174432.XIGQ11508.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:44:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FC78981.000007.03016@Computer> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:44:33 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Upholstery - Pic of the week X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: If you would like to see what our upholstery will look like, here is a pi= c of the rear bulkhead all dressed up. We will add some button like fasten= ers to hold down the corners. Click on the link.=0D =0D http://kr-builder.org/ =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From lmcgee@maqs.net Fri Nov 28 10:04:53 2003 Received: from diamond.maqs.net ([66.187.32.14]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1APmz6-0009GK-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:04:52 -0800 Received: from lori8v5h2xi9m3 (oxfo-pvc-133-39.dsl.maqs.net [66.187.41.37]) by diamond.maqs.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A7B65DB17C for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:10:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000c01c3b5da$f621bcd0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:10:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Airfoil wingtip question X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Was wondering if anyone knew why we gave up 3" in length (surface area = also) on the new airfoils at the out board ends. I am referring to the = 33" to the stock 36" length. Stock vrs. AS5046 - 33" Safe Flying to ya! Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:20:13 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE:KR>PLANS Message-ID: <6d.1da2acc6.2cf8ebdd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Well every time I have ever called them, they never answer the phone and it seems like 2 week to the day for them to call me back. Chris Theroux Gilbert, Az I have send RR a fax for the KR2S plans but did not hear anything from them. Left a message on their answering machine to please reply on my fax but still nothing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:02:38 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Upholstery - Pic of the week Message-ID: <20031128.133405.-437203.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Nice job guys. Keep up the good work.-Joe Horton > If you would like to see what our upholstery will look like, here is > a pic > of the rear bulkhead all dressed up. We will add some button like > fasteners > to hold down the corners. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:26:00 -0600 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" Subject: KR>Airfoil wingtip question Message-ID: <000301c3b5e5$74d63740$0200a8c0@schpankme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Wings built with a greater aspect ratio tend to create less drag than a wing built with a lesser aspect ratio, even when their area remains the same. Aspect ratio is a comparison between the length and width of a wing. Length of Wing Span ---------------------- = ----------- = Aspect Ratio Width of Wing Chord Larry A Capps Naperville, IL "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism. " -----Original Message----- why we gave up 3" in length on the new airfoils at the out board ends. I am referring to the 33" to 36" AS5046 - 33" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:30:52 -0600 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" Subject: KR>Airfoil wingtip question Message-ID: <000401c3b5e6$231bdd00$0200a8c0@schpankme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Wings built with a greater aspect ratio tend to create less drag, than a wing built with a lesser aspect ratio, even when their area remains the same. Aspect ratio is a comparison between the length and width of a wing. Length of Wing Span ---------------------- = ----------- = Aspect Ratio Width of Wing Chord Larry A Capps Naperville, IL "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism." -----Original Message----- why we gave up 3" in length on the new airfoils at the out board ends. I am referring to the 33" to 36" AS5046 - 33" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:51:32 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Kr plans Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031128114855.0248a888@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20031128080426.57523.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 21 Rand-Robinson seems to be Janette, and sometimes her daughter-in-law. They operate out of a house in Huntington Beach. I am able to pick up my materials by car, but contact is not always easy. They are not closed, but frequently are out with family activities. At 10:41 AM 11/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Peter wrote: > > >Does anybody know if they are closed for the > >holidays or something? > >I have requested information from them on two occasions. In both cases, I >got the information, but it took weeks to get it. My guess is they are a >very small shop and it wouldn't surprise me if they were closed all week >for the holiday. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 233, Issue 1 *************************************