From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 234, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fw: New electronic multi-function display (cgardn628) 2. New KR owner (Stan Campbell) 3. Re: Airfoil wingtip question (Mark Langford) 4. Re: Airfoil wingtip question (Steve and Lori McGee) 5. hoaky foam spar (Mark Langford) 6. Re: New KR owner (gleone) 7. Masking off a piano hinge (Jim Morehead) 8. Re: Fw: New electronic multi-function display (Dana Overall) 9. Re: Fw: New electronic multi-function display (Dan Heath) 10. Masking off a piano hinge (larry flesner) 11. Re: Masking off a piano hinge (gleone) 12. Re: hoaky foam spar (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 13. Re: hoaky foam spar (Steve and Lori McGee) 14. Re: hoaky foam spar (Mark Langford) 15. Re: Fw: New electronic multi-function display (larry severson) 16. I am trying to get off the mailing list (jerry allen) 17. Re: I am trying to get off the mailing list 18. Re: Fw: New electronic multi-function display (Mark Langford) 19. 2004 GATHERING DATE (larry flesner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:12:04 -0500 From: "cgardn628" To: "KR NET" Subject: KR>Fw: New electronic multi-function display Message-ID: <00bd01c3b605$09cd0a30$6501a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 KR Heads,=20 One of the local chapter guys brought in his new EFIS-D10 instrument by = Dynon to a chapter meeting . It uses no external sensors but gives gyro = type indication and heading etc., plus much more. Great for a KR with = limited panel. space=20 Pretty Cool ! I think I just found my Xmas present .( I wish)=20 Check it out at www.dynonavionics.com Cheers Chris Gardiner KR2S=20 100 hours and still climbing From flesner@midwest.net Fri Nov 28 15:19:14 2003 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.181]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1APrtK-0009Wq-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:19:14 -0800 Received: from dsc08-cir-oh-199-183-87-130.rasserver.net ([199.183.87.130] helo=larry-flesner) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1APryz-0007l1-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:25:06 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20031128171834.00820dd0@pop.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@pop.midwest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:18:34 -0600 To: KRnet From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday....the fun continues. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Now it I could just find a place to mount that >tray table so I say, "please turn off the inflight movie and place your >tray >table in the upright position":-) >Dana Overall ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dana, Hinge it to the panel just below the screen with an automatic "on - off" switch. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:39:48 -0800 (PST) From: Stan Campbell To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>New KR owner Message-ID: <20031128233948.68501.qmail@web60307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Hi, I just bought a KR-1 from the estate of James Evans of California (owner/builder) and talked to Jeanette right after. She is open, just call her. This Kr-1 is a beauty: Turbo Revmaster 2100, extended wings, new main fixed gear, total 34 gal. fuel, pilot relief tube, 1190 gross/550 empty, painted metallic silver with WW2 stars & bars insignia's. She hasn't flown since 1998 so I am slowly getting her ready. I have been on your list for about a month now and must say I find it most informing. Stan Campbell N8020B Reno, Nevada __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:53:05 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Airfoil wingtip question Message-ID: <001401c3b613$261a2f70$2402a8c0@800Athlon> References: <000c01c3b5da$f621bcd0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Steve McGee wrote: >> Was wondering if anyone knew why we gave up 3" in length (surface >> area also) on the new airfoils at the out board ends. I am referring to the 33" to the stock 36" length. Stock vrs. AS5046 - 33"<< I guess you'll have to explain your problem in greater detail, because I don't understand it. The RR KR2S plans show the template at the end of the spars to be 33" long, just like the AS5046 drawing. The KR2 had a 36" long template at the end of it's spars, so I guess maybe you should ask whoever "designed" the KR2S why they stole your wing area. But the wings were also made 12" longer for the KR2S (by way of the hoaky foam spar extensions) so I suspect no crime has actually been committed after all. If you don't own a set of KR2S plans (which include the KR2 plans), perhaps you should get some. The details are shown clearly on the sheet labeled "Wing Details". I'm sort of surprised that nobody else bothered to answer this one all day, as obvious as it is... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:32:32 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Airfoil wingtip question Message-ID: <001301c3b629$6c5db220$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <000c01c3b5da$f621bcd0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> <001401c3b613$261a2f70$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Yes I am sure now I have to open my eyes more and pay attention to which print I am looking at. I have seperated and put the KR2 plans on the wall on one side of the shop and the KR2S on the wall on the other side. So now hopefully I will make sure I look at both walls and compare! Hahhahah. Mark Jones answered another DUH question for me the other day. So I will look closer now and ask the DUH questions only after I have gone over all the prints. No pride here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: KR>Airfoil wingtip question > Steve McGee wrote: > > >> Was wondering if anyone knew why we gave up 3" in length (surface > >> area > also) on the new airfoils at the out board ends. I am referring to > the 33" > to the stock 36" length. Stock vrs. AS5046 - 33"<< > > I guess you'll have to explain your problem in greater detail, because > I don't understand it. The RR KR2S plans show the template at the end > of the > spars to be 33" long, just like the AS5046 drawing. The KR2 had a 36" long > template at the end of it's spars, so I guess maybe you should ask > whoever "designed" the KR2S why they stole your wing area. But the > wings were also > made 12" longer for the KR2S (by way of the hoaky foam spar > extensions) so I > suspect no crime has actually been committed after all. If you don't > own a > set of KR2S plans (which include the KR2 plans), perhaps you should > get some. The details are shown clearly on the sheet labeled "Wing > Details". > > I'm sort of surprised that nobody else bothered to answer this one all day, > as obvious as it is... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:28:39 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>hoaky foam spar Message-ID: <091001c3b631$436178e0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000c01c3b5da$f621bcd0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3><001401c3b613$261a2f70$2402a8c0@800Athlon> <001301c3b629$6c5db220$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 It's been a few years since I brought this up, but the hoaky foam spar extensions that are added to the KR2 spars to make them KR2S spars just doesn't sit right with me. I feel sure that was the result of somebody trying to use spar material (and wood kits) that were already called out for the KR2, rather than structural or common sense integrity. Not that they're not structurally sound (there's not much load out there, but there are plenty of opportunities to screw it up), but just as a matter of keeping things straight. It's hard to beat a nice spar for straightness. It'd be a shame to stick some junk on the end of it and give a joggle or a discontinuity. If I were building a new KR2S I'd just buy the spar material 12" longer than the plans call for dump the 33" template, going with the next one in line, the 30.67" template at the new end of the spar, and dispense with the foam/glass kludge job. In fact, the AS504X templates already have a phantom spar and dimensions for the spar if it's extended to that point... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:02:53 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>New KR owner Message-ID: <3FC8287D.000001.03776@bce-p949w4at3vz> References: <20031128233948.68501.qmail@web60307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 =0D Stan,=0D I am building a KR-1 and am curious how much Jim Evans extended the wings= =2E=20 Please contact me off net at gleone@tritel.net. Thanks!=0D =0D Gene=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Friday, November 28, 2003 7:00:04 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>New KR owner=0D =0D Hi,=0D I just bought a KR-1 from the estate of James Evans of=0D California (owner/builder) and talked to Jeanette=0D right after. She is open, just call her. This Kr-1 is=0D a beauty: Turbo Revmaster 2100, extended wings, new=0D main fixed gear, total 34 gal. fuel, pilot relief=0D tube, 1190 gross/550 empty, painted metallic silver=0D with WW2 stars & bars insignia's. She hasn't flown=0D since 1998 so I am slowly getting her ready. I have=0D been on your list for about a month now and must say I=0D find it most informing.=0D Stan Campbell=0D N8020B=0D Reno, Nevada=0D =0D __________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard=0D http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:25:31 -0800 From: Jim Morehead To: KR- Net Subject: KR>Masking off a piano hinge Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Netters, I=B9m looking for a better way to mask off a piano hinge before I glass i= t to my cowl. What I have tried is to use the clear packing tape and just cover the rolled part of the hinge. After floxing it and covering the untapped part of the hinge in position, I had to use a knife and cut out th= e packing tape and scraping away some resin that gets in the way of replacing the hinge pin. To make sure that the top half of the cowl will line up, I want to put the hinge together and flox it in place. I can mask off the to= p side of the hinge rolled section but how do I mask off the bottom side? Sure would hate to end up with a one piece cowl. I=B9m open for suggestions. Thanks, Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA kr2jm@d-web.com Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:05:38 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fw: New electronic multi-function display Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 >From: "cgardn628" >One of the local chapter guys brought in his new EFIS-D10 instrument by >Dynon to a chapter meeting . It uses no external sensors but gives gyro >type indication and heading etc., plus much more. Great for a KR with >limited panel. space >Pretty Cool ! I think I just found my Xmas present .( I wish) >Check it out at www.dynonavionics.com >Chris Gardiner >KR2S >100 hours and still climbing >_______________________________________________ Chris and others, you can see a pic of the Dynon unit at sitting on my desk: http://rvflying.tripod.com/dynon4.jpg You can also see in mounted on the panel in the pics I posted Friday. Replace dynon4 with panel. With all the hubbub (man, I have no idea if I spelled that slag correctly:-) about saving weight on a KR the Dynon unit would be the ticket. You would not believe the number of RV'er pulling vac systems and steam gauges to use the Dynon. These people are great to work with and are always tweaking things. In the market of EFIS systems they appear to have the most stable system and at the lowest price, $1900, nice combination. One will say, "Heck, I don't have that much in my fuselage wood" but think about it, at a weight of less than 2 pounds with internal backup battery, you are getting an artificial horizon, turn coordinator, DG, slip ball, VIS, altimeter, airspeed indicator, volt meter, G-meter, three checklist pages and I'm sure I'm leaving something out. It is rediculously easy to use and mount. I know the cost issue is a factor, as with anything in aviation, but the Dynon along with the Grand Rapids Technology engine information system and you have a VFR panel for 3K that weighs less than 4 pounds. Less than 4 pounds!! Take all that free panel area on the right and totally do away with it, make some great extended knee room for the passenger you can now take or leaves room to load a tent, sleeping bag, cloths all the way the the bottom of the glare shield to the floor and from the small panel on the left cutout all the say to the rudder pedals. New airfoil, corvair, wheel pants, Dynon and GRT EIS, well don't worry about me flying with ya, cause I won't be able to keep up. I'll go ahead and say it, someone else will say, "but these steam gauges have been around for 70 years". Yep, but we used to use a crank to start our cars...........anybody game for that?? Owning airplanes as long as I have the one constant is always crawling under the panel and sending avionics off to be worked on, bearings going out, needles falling off mandrels. If it's big bulky and mechanical it's going to spin itself to death. One of the guys on the RVlist who flies P-52s, B-25s and host of other restored aircraft when he is not flying an F-16 has already sold his reference vac. instruments and vac. system if that is any clue as to how rock solid this unit is. These things are flying and performing as advertised. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? Find out with a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:14:38 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Fw: New electronic multi-function display Message-ID: <3FC88DAE.000029.03016@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Dana,=0D =0D Is that your EIS to the right of the EFIS? What are the round instrument= s that are in your Panel? =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:06:00 AM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: Re: KR>Fw: New electronic multi-function display=0D =0D >From: "cgardn628" =0D >One of the local chapter guys brought in his new EFIS-D10 instrument by=0D >Dynon to a chapter meeting . It uses no external sensors but gives gyro=0D >type indication and heading etc., plus much more. Great for a KR with=0D >limited panel. space=0D >Pretty Cool ! I think I just found my Xmas present .( I wish)=0D >Check it out at www.dynonavionics.com=0D =0D >Chris Gardiner=0D >KR2S=0D >100 hours and still climbing=0D >_______________________________________________=0D =0D =0D Chris and others, you can see a pic of the Dynon unit at sitting on my de= sk:=0D =0D http://rvflying.tripod.com/dynon4.jpg=0D =0D You can also see in mounted on the panel in the pics I posted Friday.=0D Replace dynon4 with panel.=0D =0D With all the hubbub (man, I have no idea if I spelled that slag correctly= :-)=0D about saving weight on a KR the Dynon unit would be the ticket. You would= =0D not believe the number of RV'er pulling vac systems and steam gauges to u= se=0D the Dynon. These people are great to work with and are always tweaking=0D things. In the market of EFIS systems they appear to have the most stable= =0D system and at the lowest price, $1900, nice combination. One will say,=0D "Heck, I don't have that much in my fuselage wood" but think about it, at= a=0D weight of less than 2 pounds with internal backup battery, you are gettin= g=0D an artificial horizon, turn coordinator, DG, slip ball, VIS, altimeter,=0D airspeed indicator, volt meter, G-meter, three checklist pages and I'm su= re=0D I'm leaving something out. It is rediculously easy to use and mount.=0D =0D I know the cost issue is a factor, as with anything in aviation, but the=0D Dynon along with the Grand Rapids Technology engine information system an= d=0D you have a VFR panel for 3K that weighs less than 4 pounds. Less than 4=0D pounds!! Take all that free panel area on the right and totally do away=0D with it, make some great extended knee room for the passenger you can now= =0D take or leaves room to load a tent, sleeping bag, cloths all the way the = the=0D bottom of the glare shield to the floor and from the small panel on the l= eft=0D cutout all the say to the rudder pedals. New airfoil, corvair, wheel pant= s,=0D Dynon and GRT EIS, well don't worry about me flying with ya, cause I won'= t=0D be able to keep up.=0D =0D I'll go ahead and say it, someone else will say, "but these steam gauges=0D have been around for 70 years". Yep, but we used to use a crank to start=0D our cars...........anybody game for that?? Owning airplanes as long as I=0D have the one constant is always crawling under the panel and sending=0D avionics off to be worked on, bearings going out, needles falling off=0D mandrels. If it's big bulky and mechanical it's going to spin itself to=0D death.=0D One of the guys on the RVlist who flies P-52s, B-25s and host of other=0D restored aircraft when he is not flying an F-16 has already sold his=0D reference vac. instruments and vac. system if that is any clue as to how=0D rock solid this unit is. These things are flying and performing as=0D advertised.=0D =0D =0D Dana Overall=0D 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host=0D Richmond, KY=0D RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"=0D Finish kit=0D Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.=0D http://rvflying.tripod.com=0D do not archive=0D =0D _________________________________________________________________=0D Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? Find out with a FREE=0D online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now!=0D http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3D3963=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom bo124rs@hotmail.com Sat Nov 29 05:19:40 2003 Received: from bay10-f70.bay10.hotmail.com ([64.4.37.70] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AQ50e-0003zn-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 05:19:40 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 05:07:21 -0800 Received: from 64.12.96.200 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:07:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.96.200] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Subject: Re: KR>Fw: New electronic multi-function display Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:07:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2003 13:07:21.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9958DB0:01C3B679] X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >From: "Dan Heath" >Dana, > >Is that your EIS to the right of the EFIS? What are the round instruments >that are in your Panel? Dan, in this picture http://rvflying.tripod.com/panel.jpg the EIS system is the rectangular faceplate just to the right of the altimeter, upper center of the panel. I paid a litte less than $1000 for the unit with all probes, electrical wiring, harnesses, D subs and the like to measure RPM, MP, OAT, fuel flow, fuel level, carb temp.,4 CHTs, 4 EGTs, oil pressure, oil temp plus some other things my coffee deprived brain cannot think of right now:-) If I'm not mistaken, Landford is using an EIS system. I would care to say, there are thousands of these is homebuilts. Since I will be flying this airplane IFR, I went ahead and put in an altimeter, airspeed and VSI for redundancy with the Dynon. In addition the lower left round instrument is a switchable GPS/NAV head, also required for enroute and approach. By doing this I can shoot, GPS,ILS,LOC and overlay approaches using the uncluttered layout. If VFR, I'd put the Dynon in, the EIS, radio and be done with it. I think I would consider intalling capacitive sending plates in a KR tank and BNC them to the EIS system for a no moving parts, reliable sending and measuring fuel level indication method and go fly. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:17:03 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Masking off a piano hinge Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031129071703.0082ee40@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 > I=B9m looking for a better way to mask off a piano hinge before I glass= it >to my cowl. =20 >Jim Morehead +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jim, I haven't tried it but you might try coating the part of the hinge you don't want the epoxy to touch with Vasoline or something similar that will clean off after the epoxy is cured.=20 I floxed several hinges, my belly board for one, and was just extra careful not to get the epoxy in the hinge pin area. Careful is not always good enough though as that stuff migrates when you turn you back. :-) Good luck. Larry Flesner=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:41:38 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>Masking off a piano hinge Message-ID: <3FC8B022.000001.04016@bce-p949w4at3vz> References: <3.0.6.32.20031129071703.0082ee40@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 If you cover it COMPLETELY in paste wax (i.e.: Turtle Wax), the epoxy wo= n't stick to it when it drips or runs onto it. I've used that for years inleting and bedding rifle stocks. =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Saturday, November 29, 2003 6:24:06 AM=0D To: KRnet=0D Subject: KR>Masking off a piano hinge=0D =0D > I=B9m looking for a better way to mask off a piano hinge before I glass= it=0D >to my cowl.=0D >Jim Morehead=0D +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=0D =0D Jim,=0D =0D I haven't tried it but you might try coating the part of the hinge you=0D don't want the epoxy to touch with Vasoline or something=0D similar that will clean off after the epoxy is cured.=0D =0D I floxed several hinges, my belly board for one, and was just extra=0D careful not to get the epoxy in the hinge pin area. Careful is=0D not always good enough though as that stuff migrates when you=0D turn you back. :-)=0D =0D Good luck.=0D =0D Larry Flesner=0D =0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:29:30 -0500 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>hoaky foam spar Message-ID: <20031129.102931.4064.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Mark, I used the foam that came w/the kit, that wing extension if done as per the plans works out very well,-------and it"s light. ( I wouldn't do it any differently today than I did 5 yrs ago.) On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:28:39 -0600 "Mark Langford" writes: > It's been a few years since I brought this up, but the hoaky foam > spar > extensions that are added to the KR2 spars to make them KR2S spars > just > doesn't sit right with me. I feel sure that was the result of > somebody > trying to use spar material (and wood kits) that were already called > out for > the KR2, rather than structural or common sense integrity. Not that > they're > not structurally sound (there's not much load out there, but there > are > plenty of opportunities to screw it up), but just as a matter of > keeping > things straight. It's hard to beat a nice spar for straightness. > It'd be a > shame to stick some junk on the end of it and give a joggle or a > discontinuity. > > If I were building a new KR2S I'd just buy the spar material 12" > longer than > the plans call for dump the 33" template, going with the next one in > line, > the 30.67" template at the new end of the spar, and dispense with > the > foam/glass kludge job. In fact, the AS504X templates already have a > phantom > spar and dimensions for the spar if it's extended to that point... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:49:02 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>hoaky foam spar Message-ID: <002101c3b690$4ff9e970$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <000c01c3b5da$f621bcd0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3><001401c3b613$261a2f70$2402a8c0@800Athlon><001301c3b629$6c5db220$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> <091001c3b631$436178e0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Ok that confirms what I was thinking. I went ahead and made the spars longer with wood, ( not assembled yet - no plywood cut). But in the "leftover" prints I got of DR Deans there were templates for the 48" 50" and 33" - two of the 48" were already cut out of birch ply. ( I was thinking the 50" were an option.?) And that the 33" were for the end. I made my spar pieces 3.5" longer as I was not going to have 8" of foam on the ends, but about 5" with the lights mounting to the plywood spar. But I take it then I should not use the 33" on the end. Guess I will have to do the download and get them printed out somehow. Thanks Mark as you must be a mind reader. Safe Flying to ya! Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: KR>hoaky foam spar > It's been a few years since I brought this up, but the hoaky foam spar > extensions that are added to the KR2 spars to make them KR2S spars just > doesn't sit right with me. I feel sure that was the result of somebody > trying to use spar material (and wood kits) that were already called out for > the KR2, rather than structural or common sense integrity. Not that they're > not structurally sound (there's not much load out there, but there are > plenty of opportunities to screw it up), but just as a matter of keeping > things straight. It's hard to beat a nice spar for straightness. It'd be a > shame to stick some junk on the end of it and give a joggle or a > discontinuity. > > If I were building a new KR2S I'd just buy the spar material 12" longer than > the plans call for dump the 33" template, going with the next one in line, > the 30.67" template at the new end of the spar, and dispense with the > foam/glass kludge job. In fact, the AS504X templates already have a phantom > spar and dimensions for the spar if it's extended to that point... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:12:00 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>hoaky foam spar Message-ID: <092601c3b693$855bcea0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000c01c3b5da$f621bcd0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3><001401c3b613$261a2f70$2402a8c0@800Athlon><001301c3b629$6c5db220$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3><091001c3b631$436178e0$1202a8c0@basement> <002101c3b690$4ff9e970$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Steve McGee wrote: > But in the > "leftover" prints I got of DR Deans there were templates for the 48" 50" and > 33" - two of the 48" were already cut out of birch ply. ( I was thinking > the 50" were an option.?) And that the 33" were for the end. I made my > spar pieces 3.5" longer as I was not going to have 8" of foam on the ends, > but about 5" with the lights mounting to the plywood spar. But I take it > then I should not use the 33" on the end. You can still use the 33" templates. Just cut out some rectangular holes where the spars will go and slide them on (using the "hump" method shown at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmlws23.jpg ). I just looked at those templates, which I created and sent to Dean, and they have the humps drawn in already, as well as the spar cutout locations. Also, although the 33" is labeled as an AS5048, it's really an AS5046, which is a good thing. Glue foam to the end of the template and between the caps and it'll sand just fine. The airfoil templates located at http://www.krnet.org/as504x/templates.html show a phantom spar cutout for the 30.69" chord template already, only because that's the way I'd have done it. To answer Kenneth's reply, I have no doubt that the foam spars are structurally fine, but it's a whole 'nuther step that you wouldn't have to do if the caps were longer, and the end result of a straighter wingtip would be automatic, not something you'd have to work for. But if it works for you, that's great! I guess it's just one of my weird preferences... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:54:53 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Fw: New electronic multi-function display Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031129095348.0248dd98@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 Where did you get the EFIS setup for less than $1000??? Dan, in this picture http://rvflying.tripod.com/panel.jpg the EIS system is the rectangular faceplate just to the right of the altimeter, upper center of the panel. I paid a litte less than $1000 for the unit with all probes, electrical wiring, harnesses, D subs and the like to measure RPM, MP, OAT, fuel flow, fuel level, carb temp.,4 CHTs, 4 EGTs, oil pressure, oil temp plus some other things my coffee deprived brain cannot think of right now:-) If I'm not mistaken, Landford is using an EIS system. I would care to say, there are thousands of these is homebuilts. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:16:05 -0600 From: "jerry allen" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>I am trying to get off the mailing list Message-ID: <000501c3b6a4$db819420$07b62140@pavilion> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031129095348.0248dd98@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 I am going south for the winter and trying to get off the mailing list Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: Re: KR>Fw: New electronic multi-function display > Where did you get the EFIS setup for less than $1000??? > > Dan, in this picture http://rvflying.tripod.com/panel.jpg the EIS system is > the rectangular faceplate just to the right of the altimeter, upper center > of the panel. I paid a litte less than $1000 for the unit with all probes, > electrical wiring, harnesses, D subs and the like to measure RPM, MP, OAT, > fuel flow, fuel level, carb temp.,4 CHTs, 4 EGTs, oil pressure, oil temp > plus some other things my coffee deprived brain cannot think of right > now:-) If I'm not mistaken, Landford is using an EIS system. I would care > to say, there are thousands of these is homebuilts. > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:24:47 EST From: WA7YXF@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>I am trying to get off the mailing list Message-ID: <110.2b689270.2cfa3e6f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 I am going south for the winter and trying to get off the mailing list Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" The instructions for that can be found at the bottom of every page. Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:05:53 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Fw: New electronic multi-function display Message-ID: <095201c3b6ab$cfb2a4c0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031129095348.0248dd98@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Larry Severson wrote: > Where did you get the EFIS setup for less than $1000??? > >> Dan, in this picture http://rvflying.tripod.com/panel.jpg the EIS system is >> the rectangular faceplate just to the right of the altimeter, upper center >> of the panel. I paid a litte less than $1000 for the unit with all probes... He said EIS, not EFIS, and I believe he said in the previous message that he got it from Grand Rapids Technologies, at http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/enginfosys/ . Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:13:09 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>2004 GATHERING DATE Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031129131309.0082cb60@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <092601c3b693$855bcea0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000c01c3b5da$f621bcd0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> <001401c3b613$261a2f70$2402a8c0@800Athlon> <001301c3b629$6c5db220$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> <091001c3b631$436178e0$1202a8c0@basement> <002101c3b690$4ff9e970$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 19 Netters, builders, all interested parties, With all the co-ordinating between two airports and two airshows being completed, I'm announcing the "offical" date of the 2004 KR Gathering. Mark your calendars, set your watches, grab your maps and head to Mt.Vernon, Illinois September 24, 25, 26 , 2004. As usual, I'm expecting early birds to show up on Thursday the 23 and that's fine. Just that much more time to have fun. The local (Mt.Vernon) EAA chapter has been holding their fall airshow that weekend but moved into early October for better military participation. The weather history for that weekend has been good so let's keep our fingers crossed. I'll be meeting with the EAA chapter, airport manager, etc. and should have the usual info after we get through the Christmas holidays. Mt.Vernon has an EXCELLENT airport facility with great support from the management, the local EAA chapter, the city leaders, and community in general. If things work out I'm even planning to have the Saturday night banquet right in the airport terminal building. I'm looking forward to a great Gathering. Stay tuned !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 234, Issue 1 *************************************