From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:02 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 237, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. I cut out my spar...and I'm so happy! (Les Criscillo) 2. Re: fuel pressure (Bill Pleso) 3. Re: KR-1 undercarriage (Rick Wilson) 4. Re: fuel pressure (larry severson) 5. fuel pressure (Colin) 6. Re: Sterba Prop phone #? (Ed Janssen) 7. Re: Sterba Prop phone #? (Mark Jones) 8. Re: fuel pressure (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 9. Re: Thank you/update 10. Wicks tire & rim (Steve and Lori McGee) 11. Forward Bulkhead Dimensions 12. Re: Forward Bulkhead Dimensions (Mark Langford) 13. RE:PLANS for sale (michael beck) 14. RE:PLANS for sale (Peter Waijenberg) 15. Re: Wicks tire & rim (gleone) 16. Re: ME (Scott Cable) 17. New Owner Needs Help (Kenneth B. Jones) 18. RE: PLANS for sale (Gary W. Haun) 19. Windshield - vacume forming. (Steve and Lori McGee) 20. Re: Layup Technique (Ron Eason) 21. Vacuum Source (Scott Cable) 22. RE: Vacuum Source (Wood, Sidney M.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:04:22 -0500 From: "Les Criscillo" To: "KR2 Mailing List" Subject: KR>I cut out my spar...and I'm so happy! Message-ID: <005001c3b84e$b5cac2f0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C3B824.C8EC7920" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C3B824.C8EC7920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clear DayBoy was today a nerve racking day. To actually remove instead = of install. But I want to use the new wing, and I agree with all the = technical advice that the lower incidence will improve all flight = characteristics. I've already been to my local blueprint shop and had 2 = copies of the wing templates made. I'm going to make the templates and = cutouts tomorrow and start positioning my rear spar in its new home. = Then it's positioning, gluing and clamping like my life depended on it = (it does!). Just a quick update and some encouragement to those who have been = thinking about removing the rear spar, but have been concerned about the = task. It only took about 30 minutes per side to remove the fill blocks = and to saw above and below the spar caps. No damage to the spar, and = once I get everything aligned and leveled, I'll cut new spacer blocks to = a tight fit and reglue it all back together. A very fulfilling day. Les Criscillo Tampa, FL Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C3B824.C8EC7920-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:06:19 -0500 From: "Bill Pleso" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>fuel pressure Message-ID: <007701c3b85f$bb351d10$d71b6544@pleso> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Dan, Check the fuel pressure requirements for the POSA. The Ellison requires 2-6psi. Gravity feed provides about 1.0 psi for every 30" of head. The bottom of the fuel tank would need to be 60" above the injector to get the minimum required 2 psi. Just a thought. I like your idea of running the engine periodically. Bill Do not archive ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:22:57 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>KR-1 undercarriage Message-ID: <20031202002257.52208.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031201114810.11247.qmail@web25104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 Daren, Just a suggestion but you may want to think about keeping the bigger wheels. Smaller ones probably wouldn't make that much difference in speed, but if you ever land with the gear up the bigger wheels might just stick out enough to save the bottom of your plane. Rick Wilson. --- Daren Cogdon wrote: > Hi all > > Just a quick question: How much of the KR-1's wheels > are exposed when retracted? And can smaller wheels > be fitted if possible? > > Thanks > > > --------------------------------- > Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to WIN > Robbie Williams "Live At Knebworth > DVD"_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:27:17 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>fuel pressure Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031201162228.02501798@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <007701c3b85f$bb351d10$d71b6544@pleso> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 The Revmaster carb requires not more than 0.5 psi (15") to avoid flooding. I believe the POSA is the same. At 06:06 PM 12/1/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dan, > Check the fuel pressure requirements for the POSA. The Ellison >requires 2-6psi. Gravity feed provides about 1.0 psi for every 30" of >head. The bottom of the fuel tank would need to be 60" above the >injector to get the minimum required 2 psi. Just a thought. I like >your idea of running the engine periodically. Bill Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:43:56 -0500 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>fuel pressure Message-ID: <001901c3b86d$63446a80$f2452141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 Not to sound antagonistic, but any carb that only requires more than .5 = psi to hold the needle off its seat is in my book a bad carb. All the = automotive carbs I have ever dealt with can stand anywhere from 3 to 7 = psi without flooding, provided the needle and seat is in good condition. = Most mechanical pump will make 3 to 5 psi in stock form. Being able to = run at .5 psi, and maxing out at .5 psi are 2 different things. I think = that if I had a carb that I knew could not withstand more than 1 psi, I = would junk it and find another one. Just my opinion. I may find this = Zenith ends up the same way and I go looking also... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html Sanford, Florida KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt VernonFrom scrambellreno@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 17:13:37 2003 Received: from web60301.mail.yahoo.com ([216.109.118.112]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AQz6f-0004GI-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:13:37 -0800 Message-ID: <20031202010124.96723.qmail@web60301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.191.247.90] by web60301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:01:24 PST Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:01:24 -0800 (PST) From: Stan Campbell To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: KR>Sterba Prop phone #? X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Would anyone happen to know the phone # or wed address of Edward Sterba out of Delavan WIS.? Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:37:50 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Sterba Prop phone #? Message-ID: <015001c3b874$e6121e10$8d00a8c0@dad> References: <20031202010124.96723.qmail@web60301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 He lives in Florida now. Great Plains Aircraft Supply has a link to his website. Ed Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Campbell" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: KR>Sterba Prop phone #? > Would anyone happen to know the phone # or wed address > of Edward Sterba out of Delavan WIS.? Thanks > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:48:13 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Sterba Prop phone #? Message-ID: <008f01c3b876$59c46240$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <20031202010124.96723.qmail@web60301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 941-778-3103 http://www.greatplainsas.com/edorder.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Campbell" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: KR>Sterba Prop phone #? > Would anyone happen to know the phone # or wed address > of Edward Sterba out of Delavan WIS.? Thanks > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:48:48 -0500 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>fuel pressure Message-ID: <20031201.204848.3492.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Colin this is not a carb, it has no float. It mixes the gas immediately with out storing it in a fuel bowl, the needle is adjusted mechanically via the sliding guillatine. Because of it's simplicity I feel it is superior to a run of the mill carb. I did have some problems with getting the correct mixture set but now I would never consider getting rid of it.---------------Kenny On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:43:56 -0500 "Colin" writes: > Not to sound antagonistic, but any carb that only requires more than > .5 psi to hold the needle off its seat is in my book a bad carb. > All the automotive carbs I have ever dealt with can stand anywhere > from 3 to 7 psi without flooding, provided the needle and seat is in > good condition. Most mechanical pump will make 3 to 5 psi in stock > form. Being able to run at .5 psi, and maxing out at .5 psi are 2 > different things. I think that if I had a carb that I knew could > not withstand more than 1 psi, I would junk it and find another one. > Just my opinion. I may find this Zenith ends up the same way and I > go looking also... > > Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html > Sanford, Florida > KR Gathering 2004-see ya in Mt > Vernon_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:41:57 EST From: FIXERJONES@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Thank you/update Message-ID: <147.1dc9aaac.2cfd55f5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td), i'm almost ready for that warm up cook out! 36.5 hrs & counting ti'll i break out of my fly zone here in venice fl,,, it's only been 30 days since my inspection sighn off! still waitin on ed sturbe to call & say come pick up your new prop so i can try my type 4 2.6 L @ 3600 rpm. only get 3000 rpm with current prop. it's soooo fun to fly :-) N212KR, steve jones ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:59:23 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>Wicks tire & rim Message-ID: <000a01c3b891$0e0875b0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 The one they advertise as used on the KR. The rims (Asuzu) say to use = no more than 20 pounds of pressure. Is this enuf? Anyone else using = these? Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:25:14 +0000 From: rickcoy@comcast.net To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Forward Bulkhead Dimensions Message-ID: <120220030525.11709.ba7@comcast.net> Precedence: list Message: 11 I recently acquired a KR-2 in the boat stage and am in the process of checking all dimensions. The only discrepancy I've found so far is that both the top and bottom of the forward bulkhead measure 34 1/4. The plans (page 15, drawing 8) say that the top should be 34 1/4 and the bottom should be 30. Does this present a problem? Is there any reason why the sides should slope down in the front? Rick Coykendall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:42:44 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Forward Bulkhead Dimensions Message-ID: <015601c3b897$1c6ca300$1202a8c0@basement> References: <120220030525.11709.ba7@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Rick Coykendall wrote: > I recently acquired a KR-2 in the boat stage and am in the process of checking all dimensions. The only discrepancy I've found so far is that both the top and bottom of the forward bulkhead measure 34 1/4. The plans (page 15, drawing 8) say that the top should be 34 1/4 and the bottom should be 30. > Does this present a problem? Is there any reason why the sides should slope down in the front? Don't sweat it. Several folks have done that so that the sides are vertical, which is the easy way to eliminate the "banana boat" effect (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kronline9.html ). No biggie either way, and now you have more hip room if you need it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:33:12 -0800 (PST) From: michael beck To: KRnet Subject: RE:KR>PLANS for sale Message-ID: <20031202093312.40159.qmail@web20414.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <6d.1da2acc6.2cf8ebdd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 I have two sets of KR2S plans and willing to part with one, make offer. I boought one and got the other when I bought out a builder that waas quitting! Mike Beck (360)856-2307 --- Boeing757mech1@aol.com wrote: > Well every time I have ever called them, they never > answer the phone and it > seems like 2 week to the day for them to call me > back. > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, Az > > I have send RR a fax for the KR2S plans but did not > hear anything from them. Left a message on their > answering machine to please reply on my fax but > still > nothing. > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:19:46 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Waijenberg To: KRnet Subject: RE:KR>PLANS for sale Message-ID: <20031202141946.26795.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031202093312.40159.qmail@web20414.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 Michael, I am interested in the plans. Are you willing to send it to the Netherlands for me? I will pay for the shipping. Maybe it is a stupid question but does the plans have the tri gear setup, because this is what I am looking for. Please make a price because I do not know what is reasonable. Peter Waijenberg. --- michael beck wrote: > I have two sets of KR2S plans and willing to part > with > one, make offer. I boought one and got the other > when > I bought out a builder that waas quitting! > Mike Beck > (360)856-2307 > > --- Boeing757mech1@aol.com wrote: > > Well every time I have ever called them, they > never > > answer the phone and it > > seems like 2 week to the day for them to call me > > back. > > > > Chris Theroux > > Gilbert, Az > > > > I have send RR a fax for the KR2S plans but did > not > > hear anything from them. Left a message on their > > answering machine to please reply on my fax but > > still > > nothing. > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:45:47 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>Wicks tire & rim Message-ID: <3FCCA59B.000001.02540@bce-p949w4at3vz> References: <000a01c3b891$0e0875b0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Tire inflation pressure has a lot to do with the weight of the vehicle. = If the weight of the bird is (close) to plans, the tire pressure, as publish= ed, is correct. My KR-1 should weigh in at around 375 pounds (in my dreams!) and I'm using the fixed Diehl gear salvaged from a cracked up KR-2. The previous builder used larger wheels and tires so once I finish the plane,= I ll weigh it and contact ACS or Wicks or whomever (read: tire manufacturer= ) and check for the proper inflation pressures. =0D =0D Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:59:35 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>Wicks tire & rim=0D =0D The one they advertise as used on the KR. The rims (Asuzu) say to use no more than 20 pounds of pressure. Is this enuf? Anyone else using these?=0D =0D Steve McGee=0D Endeavor Wi. USA=0D Building a KR2S widened.=0D lmcgee@maqs.net=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:57:06 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>ME Message-ID: <20031202155706.59907.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000b01c3b753$086f8240$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 1.) Chalk one up for young Justin. :-) 2.) Now in regards to his seats from a C150: Nice seats! Sorry, but unless you plan on building your own canopy, turtle deck, etc., etc. Forget about it. The seating position in the C150 is totally different from the KR. Check out how Mark Langford, Mark Jones and Dan Heath have done their seats. You may want to take notice of where your legs are. The back of your leg, just above the knee rests on top of the front spar. You'll also want to take note of where the instrument panel is located. Generally right above the front spar. So unless you are wanting your KR to look more like a Corbet Starlet, Sell the C150 seats on eBay..... 3.) Glad to hear that you have finally "seen the light" and have or in process of purchasing your plywood from AC&S. 4.) I'm kindof confused here about what I'm looking at on your fuselage: DO you have varnish on the faying surfaces of the firewall? It sure appears that way. So how do you plan to remove the varnish imbedded into the wood? > To the group: > I'd like to apoligize to the group for my > inappropriate behavior. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:20:17 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: Subject: KR>New Owner Needs Help Message-ID: <009001c3b8f0$2d5828c0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 I recently purchased a well worn KR-2. No plans included. If anyone = has an extra set of KR-2 plans and or manual, I would like to purchase. = Also, I would like to get a ride in a KR-2. (I need sensitivity = training.) Anyone located near southwestern Ohio? Please contact off = line. Thanks, Ken Sharonville, OH 45241 Mobile: 513-604-3273 Email: kenbjones@cinci.rr.comFrom s2cable1@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 08:37:59 2003 Received: from web40801.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.178]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ARDXC-000Bqf-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:37:59 -0800 Message-ID: <20031202162547.73042.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.76.64.17] by web40801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:25:47 PST Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:25:47 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: KR>Layup Technique X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Netters, Over the Thanksgiving Holiday, I started doing the layups for the forward and Turtledeck. I made a foam layup tool that is the outside shape of the turtledeck. Prior to doing the layup, My wife suggested that I use Frost King window film. This is the stuff that you can tape around the perimeter of a window, and then use a hairdryer to shrink the clear film taut around the window frame. So I looked at it and thought, this maybe exactly what I'm looking for. So we taped it down over the tool and shrunk the film over the foam tool. We then took some 8 mil visqueen and marked the trim lines for the fiberglass. We then did the tried and true method of reverse layups onto the visqueen, on the build table downstairs. Brought the layup back upstairs and positioned it onto the tool. We then squeegied out all or any air-bubbles and laid the Peel-ply over top of the layup. Michelle then took shears and cut the excess peelply in strips while I pulled any peelply wrinkles out. This technique is used by tailors and removed all wrinkles out of the complex curvature on the mold. I was especially happy of the results when we removed the turtledeck and forward deck parts. There are absolutely no areas that were resin poor, the parts popped right off of the foam tool with no damage to the part or the foam tool. So now that I have the Outside Moldline Shape or OML, next I will carve "hat-sections" into the foam tool, Duct-tape over the areas where the hats will be laid up, fabricate the hat layups, then lay the outside part over the hats and co-bond the assembly. This should yield a very, very light but stiff part. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:28:51 -0500 From: "Gary W. Haun" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>PLANS for sale Message-ID: <001401c3b8f1$5ef29090$6401a8c0@haun4> In-Reply-To: <20031202093312.40159.qmail@web20414.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Are they still available? Gary W. Haun g.haun@insightbb.com KR-1, #5989, Master file #79 I've stopped 47 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of michael beck Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:33 AM To: KRnet Subject: RE:KR>PLANS for sale I have two sets of KR2S plans and willing to part with one, make offer. I boought one and got the other when I bought out a builder that waas quitting! Mike Beck (360)856-2307 --- Boeing757mech1@aol.com wrote: > Well every time I have ever called them, they never > answer the phone and it > seems like 2 week to the day for them to call me > back. > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, Az > > I have send RR a fax for the KR2S plans but did not > hear anything from them. Left a message on their > answering machine to please reply on my fax but > still > nothing. > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:35:17 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>Windshield - vacume forming. Message-ID: <007d01c3b8f2$45672590$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 19 Below is a reply I sent to Dan Heath on a question of his. In thinking = this over I have determined that this is the best way that I have of = giving of my experience to the group that has and will help me over the = next few years with things I have no clue about. I will make up a = prototype in miniature of a female mold and framework and do this, = taking pictures for a web site. Now true I have not gotten to this = stage myself and have not made my own canopy yet. ( Yes I am sticking = my neck on the block here but wait) This is the type of work I have = been in for 17 years. If I can not figure out a reasonable way to do it = easily - I would like to say we are all doomed to buy them. If all goes = well, besides the web page I will bring the equipment to the next = gathering in Mt. Vernon and do a demonstration if there is enough = interest. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve and Lori McGee=20 To: KRBuilder=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: Re: windshield Okay wait - I am a little confused in the writing. So when you had the = plastic on the mold and let it drape, there was no visual deformations. = ( but if I remember right you had problems with cracking later? I = believe this is from the plastic being stressed at its earliest possible = bending point and not truly bagging.) =20 But now you are heating the plastic on flat sheet of steel and picking = it up hot? This might be where the problem is or part of it. You may = be stretching the plastic in ununiformed ways when handling. ( I can = not believe this is what Todd is doing, this is his bread and butter, = you think he is going to tell you exactly?)=20 Now what I intend to do is vacume form the plastic. This can be done = with a male or female mold but is easier at home with a female, as you = would not have to suspend the mold in the air some how, but can build it = to sit on the ground. For a look at the type of work I am in, go to = this website and watch the steps to the forming at the lower right. = Very sophisticated and not exactly what I am going to try as it is using = a plug and forming a female upwards. http://thermoforms.com/forming.html Notice what these are made out of. http://thermoforms.com/gallery/mannequins.html Okay - visualize a rectangle picture frame large enough to hold the = plastic and fit around your mold. Heat the plastic so it bags naturally = from its own weight. If you want to use a MALE mold, you will bring the = mold into the plastic from the top, trying not to stretch it much. ( = but you do not want the bag so big, that it is hard to conform to the = mold) The mold will have to have a frame built around it to match the = picture frame, but about a 1/4 inch smaller all around. ( It should just = touch the plastic and make a seal) Also a vacume box is built at the = base of the mold to hook up a simple shop vac. ( not too powerful now) = ( I know this sounds like a lot but is not!) You will need a small = drill bit, 1/16 might work but 3/64 or even 1/32 would be better. Now = you drill lots of holes in your mold into the vacume box and that is how = the plastic is formed into or against the tool with the shop vac.=20 Now hold on, what about the holes? will they suck plastic in and be = visible? What if they are under the felt? Now we do not form clear = parts where I work but I know that we heat up plastic and form to an = aluminum mold and wood molds with no problems of the plastic going into = the holes or even being visible in the part UNLESS the plastic is too = hot and the vacume is too high! So I may try this without even using = felt, or by putting the vacume holes where it will not matter if it does = leave marks. Realistically this type of part should be done with a female mold. It = would be SO much easier. In fact I should try and make one of these up = in miniature, take pictures and let someone throw a web page together. = I plan on being down your way in May. Maybe I can stop in. =20 Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:53:08 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Layup Technique Message-ID: <009401c3b8f4$c406d920$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <20031202162547.73042.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Great ideas Scott, I believe I can benefit from some of them in my project. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: KR>Layup Technique > Netters, > Over the Thanksgiving Holiday, I started doing the > layups for the forward and Turtledeck. I made a foam > layup tool that is the outside shape of the > turtledeck. > Prior to doing the layup, My wife suggested that I use > Frost King window film. This is the stuff that you > can tape around the perimeter of a window, and then > use a hairdryer to shrink the clear film taut around > the window frame. So I looked at it and thought, this > maybe exactly what I'm looking for. So we taped it > down over the tool and shrunk the film over the foam > tool. We then took some 8 mil visqueen and marked the > trim lines for the fiberglass. We then did the tried > and true method of reverse layups onto the visqueen, > on the build table downstairs. Brought the layup back upstairs and > positioned it onto the tool. We then squeegied out all or any > air-bubbles and laid the Peel-ply over top of the layup. > Michelle then took shears and cut the excess peelply > in strips while I pulled any peelply wrinkles out. > This technique is used by tailors and removed all > wrinkles out of the complex curvature on the mold. > I was especially happy of the results when we removed > the turtledeck and forward deck parts. There are > absolutely no areas that were resin poor, the parts > popped right off of the foam tool with no damage to > the part or the foam tool. > So now that I have the Outside Moldline Shape or OML, > next I will carve "hat-sections" into the foam tool, > Duct-tape over the areas where the hats will be laid > up, fabricate the hat layups, then lay the outside > part over the hats and co-bond the assembly. > This should yield a very, very light but stiff part. > > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:28:31 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Vacuum Source Message-ID: <20031202182831.6457.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 21 Netters, I'm looking for a cleaner way of mounting a 4 in vacuum venturi. It appears that Steve Jones' setup is effective, as far as providing ample vacuum, but I think there's gotta be a cleaner way to do this. Has anyone placed the venturi inside the cowl and provided an inlet and exhaust for it? Inside the cowl would provide several advantages: 1.) Less drag 2.) Less prone to icing 3.) Ram air from prop would provide vacuum signal sooner? Could a vacuum pan set-up provide enough vacuum to run vacuum powered instruments? A Smog check valve is placed perpendicular to the exhaust flow, with the check valve opening facing downstream. This provides enough vacuum to evacuate the crankcase of fumes, enough power to run instruments? If both of these systems were plumbed, would it have enough redundancy to use with out electrical instrument back-up? What are other KR's that flying (or close to it)using? ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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