From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 250, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Heavy wing (Dan Heath) 2. RE: Heavy wing (Dana Overall) 3. Re: Aileron trim (larry flesner) 4. Re: Want to Purchase A Completed KR2 (Bob Stone) 5. Re: aluminum kit 6. Re: Want to Purchase A Completed KR2 (kevin) 7. Re: Foldable Wing 8. Want to buy KR2, 340 lb. cabin weight limit? (Thomas Brock) 9. RE: Want to buy KR2, 340 lb. cabin weight limit? (Philip Maley) 10. Re: Want to buy KR2 (Dan Heath) 11. Re: Want to buy KR2 (Thomas Brock) 12. RE: Want to buy KR2, 340 lb. cabin weight limit? (francis fenlason) 13. applying a trim tab ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:00:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Heavy wing Message-ID: <3FDCC158.00000C.02216@Computer> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 A heavy wing is sooooooooooooo easy to fix with a small aluminum trim tab= , ground adjustable by bending. It costs almost nothing and can be install= ed in minutes. This would apply, only if your problem is relatively static.= =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Sun Dec 14 12:14:46 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AVcda-0004q6-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:14:46 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.136]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031214200308.CQTY15697.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:03:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FDCC20A.000010.02216@Computer> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:03:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>aluminum kit X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I said that I would try to find the parts for the aluminum kit. I have exhausted all my resources and cannot find anything like that. Isn't tha= t sad? I guess the only way to do it is to go through the plans and write down all the required aluminum sizes and types and add it up.=0D =0D Sorry, =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From haroldwoods@rogers.com Sun Dec 14 12:35:04 2003 Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com ([66.185.86.71]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AVcxE-00053s-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:35:04 -0800 Received: from HAROLD ([24.100.238.8]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTPid <20031214202154.ZEHN132452.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@HAROLD> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:21:54 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c3c280$2d099130$08ee6418@HAROLD> From: "Harold Woods" To: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:23:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.100.238.8] using ID at Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:21:54 -0500 Subject: KR>marine plywoods vs aircraft plywood X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I sent this once before but it got deleted so I will try again. I contacted the Boulter Plywoods Corp. at 24 Broadway, Somerville MA 02145. www.boulterplywood.com phone 617-666-1340, fax 617-666-8956 This is information on the difference between marine and aircraft grade plywood. Both use the same waterproof glue. The core layers are all the same as the outside layers. The big difference is in the thickness of the layers.The aircraft plys are thinner than the marine plys. They sent me a 6 page catalog. They have okoume B S 1088, the finest marine grade in thicknersses from 1/16,1/8,5/32 in 3 ply, 1/4 in 5 ply, 3/8,1/2,5/8 in 7 ply.Aircraft Birch plywood GL-2 rated. in 1/64,1/32/1/16 in 3 ply, 1/8, 5 ply, 1/4, 12 ply. They carry Sitka Spruce in Marine mast grade and in spar grade. They have them in lengths up to 24 feet.Spar grade is a very good quality spruce. but always get the lumber 1/2 inch wider than necessary, slice off a 1/8 inch slice and subject it to bending.A clean break is very suspect a splintery jagged break is OK. If you find a weak break mark the region of the break on the board then take a slice off the opposite side and subject it to bending. If a break occurs mark the main board. If the marks lie accross from each other you may safely assume that the flaw goes completely through the board at this place.Cut it out. Now you have got two boards but you know that each is good .There are many places that shorter boards can be used. Also a good scarf joint using epoxy glue will yeild a board as good as the original. Ladder grade of sitka spruce is also a source of spar material but after you have checked it for annular rings per inch, slope of the grain and knots and pitch pocket,as well as density, give it the bend test. I am sure that if you contact Boulter, they will send you a copy of their catalog price list. Regards Harold Woods. Orillia,ON. Canada. haroldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:43:20 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>Heavy wing Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 I only posted reducing the radius of the aileron trailing edge of the heavy wing as an alternative to putting a tab on it for everyone to see. If that doesn't bother you seeing it everytime you walk up to the plane, or having people run into it, or having it blow off............have at it:-) The radius trick works. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "krnet@mylist.net" >Subject: KR>Heavy wing >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:00:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > >A heavy wing is sooooooooooooo easy to fix with a small aluminum trim >tab, ground adjustable by bending. It costs almost nothing and can be >installed in minutes. This would apply, only if your problem is >relatively static. > >N64KR > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >DanRH@KR-Builder.org > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > >See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:38:16 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Re: Aileron trim Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031214153816.00794c70@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <3353408.1071427439845.JavaMail.root@scooter.psp.pas.earthl ink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 > >I have been thinking about how to tim my ailerons for a while because I >go into a steep left turn if I let go of my stick. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Consider putting a fixed tab on the bottom side of the left wing outboard of the aileron. With the tab adjusted properly you should be able to fly with the ailerons neutral. Jeff Scott needed more nose up trim on his KR than was available with his trim tab and mounted triangle shaped blocks on the bottom side trail edge of his elevator to act as additional trim tab. That might be an option for your heavy wing that would not be too obvious. Question: does your KR drop the left wing in a stall? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:06:48 -0600 From: "Bob Stone" To: , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Want to Purchase A Completed KR2 Message-ID: <002601c3c2a7$b7ff6180$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <3FDCA405.580471D5@arctic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Thomas, There is a web site called "Barnstormers" http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php where I see KR-2 aircraft for sale all the time. Most of the ad's I see are in your price range. However, the KR aircraft are high performance and not recommended for beginners. The reason the trainers you mention in your post would be better for you to start off in is because they are not high performance. All of them are very forgiving and easy to fly and you should learn at least to a private license, get some hours in one of them, then go on to training in the KR-2. However if you insist on learning in a KR, find one with a try gear rather than a tail dragger. You will become qualified and safe in a try gear much faster than a tail dragger. good luck. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Brock" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: KR>Want to Purchase A Completed KR2 > Hi everyone, > > My name is Thomas Brock. I'm a kindergarten teacher living in remote > Alaska. After a 20 year delay due to family circumstances, I want to > finish my study toward a pilot's license. I am looking to build > student flying time toward my license. I want to buy an aircraft that > is an alternative to the C150, Tomahawks, etc. From my limited > research, it looks like a KR2 would work for me. > > I don't have the facility nor the time to build my own plane so I > appeal to the list members to help me find one that is already flying > and ready to go. Here is what I need. > > A KR2 that will seat myself and a flight instructor. Probably an older > vintage aircraft. My budget is only $14,000. The cosmetic appearance > does not have to be perfect, but the aircraft needs to be in good > mechanical shape so that my instructor will feel safe enough to teach > me in this airplane. If any of you have a KR2 that would fit these > requirements, please contact me off the list. > > I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS PURCHASE BEFORE CHRISTMAS IF AT ALL > POSSIBLE! > > Thank you in advance for your prompt response. > > Happy Holidays to all, > Thomas Brock Sr. > Aniak, Alaska > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:44:24 -0500 From: To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>aluminum kit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3FDCC20A.000010.02216@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I have an excell list for all parts as listed on the plans and in the specs. The list includes part number and page number for ordering from wicks. Of course the list is as always 90% complete. I'll post it to the net if anyone thinks it will help Steve Phillabaum Auburn Alabama Still Planning. On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:03:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath" wrote: >I said that I would try to find the parts for the >aluminum kit. I have >exhausted all my resources and cannot find anything like >that. Isn't that >sad? I guess the only way to do it is to go through the >plans and write >down all the required aluminum sizes and types and add it >up. > >Sorry, > >N64KR > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >DanRH@KR-Builder.org > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > >See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at >http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:50:41 -0500 From: kevin To: tbsr@arctic.net,KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Want to Purchase A Completed KR2 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031214235041.007bd8b0@pop3.wcoil.com> In-Reply-To: <3FDCA405.580471D5@arctic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 Hi Tom, I would have to agree with the previous posts . The kr2 is not a beginner aircraft ,although can be a good timebuilder with some expierience. If you are really interested contact me at mierz@wcoil.com I have a completed flying kr2 I may consider parting with . Thanks KevinAt 08:55 AM 12/14/03 -0900, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >My name is Thomas Brock. I'm a kindergarten teacher living in >remote Alaska. After a 20 year delay due to family >circumstances, I want to finish my study toward a pilot's >license. I am looking to build student flying time toward my >license. I want to buy an aircraft that is an alternative to >the C150, Tomahawks, etc. From my limited research, it looks >like a KR2 would work for me. > >I don't have the facility nor the time to build my own plane >so I appeal to the list members to help me find one that is >already flying and ready to go. Here is what I need. > >A KR2 that will seat myself and a flight instructor. Probably >an older vintage aircraft. My budget is only $14,000. The >cosmetic appearance does not have to be perfect, but the >aircraft needs to be in good mechanical shape so that my >instructor will feel safe enough to teach me in this airplane. >If any of you have a KR2 that would fit these requirements, >please contact me off the list. > >I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS PURCHASE BEFORE CHRISTMAS IF AT ALL >POSSIBLE! > >Thank you in advance for your prompt response. > >Happy Holidays to all, >Thomas Brock Sr. >Aniak, Alaska > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:49:35 EST From: Margiandrick@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Foldable Wing Message-ID: <12d.370e8f1d.2d0ecf9f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 I've got an address to a fellow in the South. I did just move so it will tahe a little time to locate the letter. I do remember the plans were 99.50 Rick Armstrong ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:17:53 -0900 From: Thomas Brock To: KRnet Subject: KR>Want to buy KR2, 340 lb. cabin weight limit? Message-ID: <3FDD8A3B.9E32C988@arctic.net> References: <3FDCC158.00000C.02216@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 To all list members, I'd like to first say thank you for all of your assistance and replies. I've learned a lot about these aircraft in just a short time. As per your advice, since I am a beginner pilot, I am trying to slow down and not make any rash decisions regarding the KR planes and my non existent skill level. At any rate, I am still very interested in these aircraft and pretty much know for sure that I will still purchase one ASAP. As I've been researching them, I do have a seller that has contacted me. His is a KR2 which is advertised as a 1987 Donald L. Lewis KR2 taildragger. I've gotten good info on the airplane. The owner did write back to say that a 6' tall person is about the limit for height. He also wrote that there is a cabin lime of 340 pounds. This aircraft has an 1835 cc VW engine. My question is: 1. Does the engine size determine the gross or useful weight of the KR planes? 2. If so, would a larger engine allow for more cabin weight (heavier adults) to ride in the airplane? One of the main attractions of the KR2 planes is that they are 2 seat aircraft. My wife and I certainly weigh more than 340 pounds. Am I now doomed to HAVING to buy a more expensive Cessna 150 which I really can't afford and don't really want? For those of you who are flight instructors, how do you train taildragger pilots? Do all of the other conventional taildraggers have dual sticks or controls? I ask because I would have a flight instructor ride and train with me for about the first 10-15 hours in the KR2. The flight instructor I have in mind also would exceed the weight limit of 340 pounds in this particular aircraft. I keep seeing pictures on the KR websites with 2 people riding happily in the KR airplanes. I'm now very confused. Please help, I'm trying to keep my chin up. Thanks again for all replies. Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:30:41 +0800 From: "Philip Maley" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Want to buy KR2, 340 lb. cabin weight limit? Message-ID: <00ea01c3c2f6$806c2420$0301a8c0@wotech.net> In-Reply-To: <3FDD8A3B.9E32C988@arctic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Thomas I have been flying for about 30 years now and the Cessna 150 (152) is still my favourite aircraft to fly. I'm very slowly building a KR2 as a single seater because I could never get myself plus my wife or either of the kids in and stay under a reasonable max weight. If I were you I'd either be doing my training in a flying school (or club) aircraft or buying a cheap second hand C152 or Tomahawk. You should easily get your money back when you are ready to "upgrade", which is something you will probably never achieve with a KR. Kind regards Phil Maley Perth Australia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:28:32 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Want to buy KR2 Message-ID: <3FDD9AE0.000018.02216@Computer> References: <3FDD8A3B.9E32C988@arctic.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 Thomas,=0D =0D I disagree with the posts, discouraging you from learning in a KR. If yo= u have an instructor who is willing and capable, I can think of no better w= ay to learn.=0D =0D The problem that you are going to have is finding the right KR. Most KR2 are really KR1+1. By that, I mean that they are good for one person and another that is fairly small, or, not even more than 1. You will need du= al stick, which is also somewhat rare, but could be easily corrected, well, nothing is easy.=0D =0D If you could have gotten N4DD, and put dual stick in it, that would have been a good plane as it could easily handle 2 people. And, yes, the engi= ne does have something to do with it, so does the quality of the airfoil and airframe, and most important, the CG. The CG could be corrected, but aga= in, nothing is easy.=0D =0D For $14,000, I see no reason, why you cannot find a suitable plane. How = are you going to know if it is suitable?? That is the big question.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From tbsr@arctic.net Mon Dec 15 03:42:42 2003 Received: from smtp.arctic.net ([198.51.13.40]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AVr7a-000BME-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:42:42 -0800 Received: from arctic.net (209-124-131-118.coffee.dialup.arctic.net [209.124.131.118]) by smtp.arctic.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.8-GR) with ESMTP id AQG77723for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:31:01 -0900 (AKST) Message-ID: <3FDDA197.AF48A78@arctic.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:57:12 -0900 From: Thomas Brock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Want to buy KR2, 340 lb. cabin weight limit? References: <00ea01c3c2f6$806c2420$0301a8c0@wotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: tbsr@arctic.net, KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi Phil, Thanks so much for your reply. I was wondering who else might be up at this time of night. I'm in Alaska and it's about 2:10 am in the morning. I see that you are "down under." That probably explains why I got a response at my time of the night. I am really having a change of heart. It seems that I am going through some kind of addiction with the flying bug. I'm not sure if you saw my earlier posts, but I did do some limited flying over 20 years ago. It was in a Cessna 150. I did have fun flying in the airplane. I just never remembered them being so small inside though. After 30 years of flying, the Cessna 150 is still your favorite airplane? How can that be for a pilot that has flown for so long and in so many different aircraft? I'm still amazed at the jet pilots (both commercial and military) who tell me that they like to fly in very slow and noisy Super Cubs. Unless I'm missing something, that seems the same as a race car driver loving to drive an old jeep or pickup truck. I guess everything changes after you have flown for years and have something to compare to. Here's a question for you: If given the choice, would you buy a Cessna 150 or Piper Tomahawk to learn to fly in. I would love to do my training in a flight school or club aircraft. We are located so far in remote, interior, bush Alaska until the only fliers here are the charter airplanes and the private owners. Our village has only 450 people who live here. We are considered a "big" village compared to some of the other villages that have less than 100 people. So the aircraft that are here are Super Cubs, 172, 182, 206, and 207's. There are 2 Piper low wing aircraft that are based out out here. They carry mail and passengers. Cessnas and Pipers were the first planes that I considered. What I keep running into is affordability. So far, it seems that the aircraft that I can afford to buy (I'm a kindergarten teacher), are airplanes that are close to or beyond their overhaul times. They also tend to have 10-15,000 hours on their air frames. What's amazing is that there are dealers here who advertise them with fresh annuals upon purchase. How can they do that with a plane that is beyond it recommended TBO? Most everything I've read so far says to stay away from these high time aircraft, unless you want to pay for the overhaul or replacement of the engine. I sure do appreciate your advice and guidance for my first airplane purchase. Please let me know what ideas you have regarding this. Oh, I have seem some really old planes that fit my budget. They are Tripacers or Cessna 120's or 140's. Older 150's from the early sixties seem to be selling in my price range, but still with high time engines. Is this about right for these aircraft? Is a 10-15,000 hour airframe still safe to fly? Thanks in advance for your reply. Thomas Brock Philip Maley wrote: > Thomas > > I have been flying for about 30 years now and the Cessna 150 (152) is > still my favourite aircraft to fly. I'm very slowly building a KR2 as a > single seater because I could never get myself plus my wife or either of > the kids in and stay under a reasonable max weight. If I were you I'd > either be doing my training in a flying school (or club) aircraft or > buying a cheap second hand C152 or Tomahawk. You should easily get your > money back when you are ready to "upgrade", which is something you will > probably never achieve with a KR. > > Kind regards > Phil Maley > Perth Australia > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:11:54 -0900 From: Thomas Brock To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Want to buy KR2 Message-ID: <3FDDA509.399AD97@arctic.net> References: <3FDD8A3B.9E32C988@arctic.net> <3FDD9AE0.000018.02216@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Hi Dan, Are you too a night owl? I really appreciate your reply. I agree that I could have an A&P rig up a dual stick control. As for the right plane, I bet I could probably post to the list members and clubs about the kind of KR that I need. What I would really love to have is a tricycle gear, Corvair powered, dual stick KR. Even if it did not have Corvair power, I would eventually put this kind of engine in it. It seems to offer the most bang for the buck and is easy to purchase parts, even in Alaska. How am I going to know if it is suitable? Actually, that's the easy part. All I have to do is consult experts like yourself and I'm in business. I think it might be a little more difficult trying to locate the plane that will carry me and my wife. Let me know what you think. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on finding a KR plane. I can always go and rent 150 time when we fly into Anchorage or anywhere else. But a KR is really different. Again, this will probably be my first and last airplane purchase. So, I would really like to spend my little money on something I'd enjoy for the next 20-30 years. Have a great day and thanks again. Thomas Dan Heath wrote: > Thomas, > > I disagree with the posts, discouraging you from learning in a KR. If you > have an instructor who is willing and capable, I can think of no better way > to learn. > > The problem that you are going to have is finding the right KR. Most KR2 > are really KR1+1. By that, I mean that they are good for one person and > another that is fairly small, or, not even more than 1. You will need dual > stick, which is also somewhat rare, but could be easily corrected, well, > nothing is easy. > > If you could have gotten N4DD, and put dual stick in it, that would have > been a good plane as it could easily handle 2 people. And, yes, the engine > does have something to do with it, so does the quality of the airfoil and > airframe, and most important, the CG. The CG could be corrected, but again, > nothing is easy. > > For $14,000, I see no reason, why you cannot find a suitable plane. How are > you going to know if it is suitable?? That is the big question. > > > > N64KR > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:07:20 -0600 From: "francis fenlason" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Want to buy KR2, 340 lb. cabin weight limit? Message-ID: <000001c3c314$c5097740$6903efd8@primelibrary> In-Reply-To: <00ea01c3c2f6$806c2420$0301a8c0@wotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 I have been flying for about 30 years now and the Cessna 150 (152) is still my favourite aircraft to fly. _______________________________________________ When I took my flight test I couldn't use a 150 (which I had taken my instruction in) as with myself and any examiner I could find we would be overweight. I don't remember what the load limit is for the 150 but it's not great either. As far as a time builder you may want to stay slower. A fast plane gets you where ever you are going much faster. So you build less time. Also a fast plane can easily get ahead of you when in the learning phase. When I got my license I went out and bought a Super Viking (about 170 mph cruise) It took almost as long to get comfortable with the speed as it did to get my license in the first place. Russ Fenlason-Breckenridge, MN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:56:31 EST From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>applying a trim tab Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Use regular silicon calking on the oooooooooooooooo so easy tab that dan is describing. IM no engineer but due to the wgt of the pilot the left wing will be heavy yes? so i did what the AP said to do and that this is normal and mine fly's hands off now for some reason they said to install on the right wing and not the left?. allso i might add that my hanger mate has trim tab on rt wing of his pulsar flying 2w6 billy mcfarland Flymaca711689@aol.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 250, Issue 1 *************************************