From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 252, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. engines (Ray Fuenzalida) 2. Re: engines (Mike Turner) 3. Aluminum Spreadsheet 4. Re: engines (gerald locker) 5. Calendar Idea (Steve and Lori McGee) 6. Aeropoxy (Steve and Lori McGee) 7. engines (larry flesner) 8. CORVAIR ENGINES.TWENTY OR MORE! (David Hartz) 9. Re: CORVAIR ENGINES.TWENTY OR MORE! (Kenneth B. Jones) 10. Subaru Engine Mount 11. Re: Calendar Idea (Ron Eason) 12. Flight test program (Philip Maley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:08:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>engines Message-ID: <20031216220847.7516.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Just a question for the group. It may be premature (since I have a long way to go), but I noticed a Lycoming 0 145 for sale on Ebay. Would that be an acceptable power plant for a KR2S? It is a 65 horsepower and weighs about 165 pounds. Any thoughts? Ray --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharingFrom DanRH@alltel.net Tue Dec 16 14:27:11 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AWNep-000Hxq-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:27:11 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.136]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031216221539.SDWR11508.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:15:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FDF841C.00000B.04012@Computer> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:15:56 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <20031216220847.7516.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>engines Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Ray,=0D =0D That is right in the power and weight range for a KR2, but might be a lit= tle under powered for a 2S. However, it would ba usable. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From bhollensbe@mchsi.com Tue Dec 16 15:37:29 2003 Received: from sccmmhc02.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.184]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AWOkr-000Iio-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:37:29 -0800 Received: from rh (12-216-156-183.client.mchsi.com[12.216.156.183]) by sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02) with SMTP id <20031216232558mm2008f5mce>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:25:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c3c42b$beac3320$1902a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Brant Hollensbe" To: "KRnet" References: <20031216220847.7516.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> <3FDF841C.00000B.04012@Computer> Subject: Re: KR>engines Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:24:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brant Hollensbe , KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi Ray, The lycoming O-145 engine with its 145 cu. inches of displacement is a possiblity. It is known for being a much smoother running engine that the A-65 Continintal engine. And thought both engines are rated at 65 HP on take off, the Continental actually produces more HP inflight because of its 171 cu. inches displacement. You will find new parts for the O-145 are rare to say the least and are priced like all certified aircraft engine parts, EXPENSIVE. When making an engine choise you must compair HP, reliablity, weight, cost, parts availiblity, and any other factor you feel is important. Good luck, on your decision for an engine. Brant Hollensbe bhollensbe@mchsi.com West Des Moines, IA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:26:00 -0600 From: "Mike Turner" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>engines Message-ID: References: <20031216220847.7516.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 I've got a 0-145 lyc and the overhaul manual. There are three types of = the 0-145 a,b and c models. The a and b models are rated 65hp at = 2500rpm. The c model rated 75hp at 3200rpm. The only difference between = b and c models is that the c has an internal reduction gear that reduces = the prop speed from 3200 to arround 2100 I think ??(I don't have the = manual with me-- doing this from memeroy which ain't too good lately). I = think the manual said weight with carb--mags ect.. is 183lbs not = counting a starter. I have a b model-- the 2 mags by themselves weight = 15 lbs. I think it's just too heavy for a kr2. I'm still undesided what = engine I will use on mine. I plan to build everything I can without the = engine, do a w/b then deside on engine type. At the moment I'm leaning = toward the EJ22 suberue or the corvair. = Mike Turner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ray Fuenzalida=20 To: krnet@mylist.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: KR>engines Just a question for the group. It may be premature (since I have a = long way to go), but I noticed a Lycoming 0 145 for sale on Ebay. Would = that be an acceptable power plant for a KR2S? It is a 65 horsepower and = weighs about 165 pounds. Any thoughts? Ray --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and = sharing_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:00:41 -0500 From: To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Aluminum Spreadsheet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Mark I sent you my spreadsheet for you to HTLM to the net. Wondering if you got it. Note if it makes it to the net remember. Firewall forward is left off. and the old hinge style is used not Dr. Deans. Of course you will still need to make horns if you use Dr. Deans method. P.S. I have a steel list and bolt list in the edit mode. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:07:49 -0800 (PST) From: gerald locker To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>engines Message-ID: <20031217000749.25538.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031216220847.7516.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 --- Ray Fuenzalida wrote: > Just a question for the group. It may be premature > (since I have a long way to go), but I noticed a > Lycoming 0 145 for sale on Ebay. Would that be an > acceptable power plant for a KR2S? It is a 65 > horsepower and weighs about 165 pounds. Any > thoughts? > Ray Dear Ray, If you are not in the immediate need for an engine, I would recommend your checking out Revmaster's latest offering that will be out soon. It is a 3.0 liter engine, as well as their great standard 2100D VW. The 2100 has 8 coils-1 per plug, dual alternators with 18 amps on each side and is a dual C.D.I. self energized ignition system and pulls about 80 HP. His soon to be latest offering will bring in about 100 or so HP on the 3.0 liter. Joe and I met while back on a quick trip to visit my partner and get the airplane company up and running and Joe has an excellent work place right across from the Hesperia airport. He has been in business for many years and his engines are considered first rate by anyone's standards. Good luck in whatever you decide. Gerald Locker > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and > sharing_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:38:35 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>Calendar Idea Message-ID: <005701c3c436$1af57d80$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 Hey there KR builders / flyers. I was thinking of how nice it would be = to have a KR calendar, and if this isn't already getting done I will = throw one together if there is enough interest. I have a friend that = can do these up. My idea is to get nice detail photos not already on = the internet at websites so they are fresh. Throw a reasonable price on = them and put the procedes towards the next gathering. Soooo... below is = my plan, but is open for suggestions. 1 - If you want a calendar hit me with an e-mail and say how many. 2- If you have a good digital picture of a finished KR plane or = outstanding interior, please send it to me. With what you would like mentioned under the credits. Large megabytes for detail. 3- The contributers of the pictures chosen will get 1 free calendar. 4 - The price will be cost, plus shipping and $5 towards the gathering. 5- Events will be listed on the calendar such as the Gathering, = Oshkosh, etc. Notify me of your events! Ideas? Opinion? Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:59:00 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>Aeropoxy Message-ID: <001701c3c441$57785c90$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 Talked to a rep today and was relieved to find out had not damaged the = gear leg. Had searched the archives for this and found nothing, so here = it is. =20 Epoxy lay-up turning brown from being too hot does not ruin the lay-up. = The rep from aeropoxy said that the epoxy can oxidize and that it is = actually common. =20 Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:10:02 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>engines Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031216201002.0085fdb0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <20031216220847.7516.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 >Just a question for the group. It may be premature (since I have a >long way to go), but I noticed a Lycoming 0 145 for sale on Ebay. Would that be an acceptable power plant for a KR2S? It is a 65 horsepower and weighs about 165 pounds. Any thoughts? >Ray +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Unless you are going to build a bare bones 500 pound KR you will want more power. A friend of mine had an early T Craft with a 65 Lyc and it ended up cracking the case. He installed a 65 hp Continental and liked it much better. You can get that much HP from a more reliable VW and the parts would be a lot cheaper and easier to find. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:17:57 -0800 (PST) From: David Hartz To: KRnet Subject: KR>CORVAIR ENGINES.TWENTY OR MORE! Message-ID: <20031217021757.6359.qmail@web41309.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031216220847.7516.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 HEY FOLKS!I CAME ACROSS A BUNCH OF MOTORS IN A SHOP BY MY HOUSE AND HE WANTS TO SELL THEM CHEAP-TWO TO THREE HUNDRED EACH.ANYONE INTERESTED SEND ME A E-MAIL WITH BLOCK #'S YOUR LOOKING FOR AND I'LL CHECK IT OUT .DAVE DEWRENCHER@YAHOO.COM > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and > sharing_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:31:42 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>CORVAIR ENGINES.TWENTY OR MORE! Message-ID: <005501c3c445$eccfe160$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> References: <20031217021757.6359.qmail@web41309.mail.yahoo.com> Precedence: list Message: 9 Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hartz" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: KR>CORVAIR ENGINES.TWENTY OR MORE! > > HEY FOLKS!I CAME ACROSS A BUNCH OF MOTORS IN A SHOP > BY MY HOUSE AND HE WANTS TO SELL THEM CHEAP-TWO TO > THREE HUNDRED EACH.ANYONE INTERESTED SEND ME A E-MAIL > WITH BLOCK #'S YOUR LOOKING FOR AND I'LL CHECK IT OUT > .DAVE > DEWRENCHER@YAHOO.COM > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and > > > sharing_______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:44:25 -0500 From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Subaru Engine Mount Message-ID: <00C3C1D8.13DF7619.83FC6405@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Does any one know where I can get a Subaru engine mount for the EA-81 already welded up? I'm not really intersted in weling my own. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:53:44 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Calendar Idea Message-ID: <002201c3c448$fe3dd3a0$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <005701c3c436$1af57d80$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Sounds like a good idea to me. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:38 PM Subject: KR>Calendar Idea Hey there KR builders / flyers. I was thinking of how nice it would be to have a KR calendar, and if this isn't already getting done I will throw one together if there is enough interest. I have a friend that can do these up. My idea is to get nice detail photos not already on the internet at websites so they are fresh. Throw a reasonable price on them and put the procedes towards the next gathering. Soooo... below is my plan, but is open for suggestions. 1 - If you want a calendar hit me with an e-mail and say how many. 2- If you have a good digital picture of a finished KR plane or outstanding interior, please send it to me. With what you would like mentioned under the credits. Large megabytes for detail. 3- The contributers of the pictures chosen will get 1 free calendar. 4 - The price will be cost, plus shipping and $5 towards the gathering. 5- Events will be listed on the calendar such as the Gathering, Oshkosh, etc. Notify me of your events! Ideas? Opinion? Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:57:09 +0800 From: "Philip Maley" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: KR>Flight test program Message-ID: <007a01c3c45a$3da01d30$0301a8c0@wotech.net> In-Reply-To: <000001c3c314$c5097740$6903efd8@primelibrary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 This might be of interest to people planning their flight testing program. My friend Howard Jones flies a Wittman Tailwind and has just put the original flight test program on the internet. His web site address is http://members.iinet.net.au/~tailwind/ The test program is very thorough and would be very applicable to a KR. He has also provided a comprehensive set of modification drawings, and the firewall-forward drawings will be of interest to KR builders. (He uses an 0-200 engine.) Regards Phil Maley Perth Australia PS: I went flying today in the club Tomahawk to commemorate the anniversary. I hope many of you can too. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 252, Issue 1 *************************************