From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 254, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Training Quandry, can KR's have dual pedals and sticks? (Rick Wilson) 2. spruce list posted! (Mark Langford) 3. Re: CORVAIR ENGINES.TWENTY OR MORE! (David Hartz) 4. flight report (larry flesner) 5. Re: flight report (cartera) 6. Aluminum list posted! (=?iso-8859-1?q?Paolo=20Cavazzuti?=) 7. Switch ratings (Martindale Family) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:47:28 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: tbsr@arctic.net, KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Training Quandry, can KR's have dual pedals and sticks? Message-ID: <20031218224728.95911.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3FE18B30.912153B0@arctic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Thomas, Most KR2's are equipped with dual rudder pedals. I've very seldom heard of one that doesn't. As for dual sticks, If the one you buy doesn't have dual sticks, you can buy the dual stick controls from Rand-Robinson and several other suppliers. You can have it put in or put it in yourself without too much difficulty. But again, I've seen very few KR2's that don't have dual rudder pedals, even with a center stick. Rick Wilson. --- Thomas Brock wrote: > Thanks again everyone for all of your help. I know > that I am getting > closer to buying my KR. It might just happen before Christmas, which > is what I've been shooting for. Just as I think I'm > getting closer, I seem to > run into another snag. But your help has always > seemed to provide the > right answers. > > I did check with my flight instructor here on the > training requirements > for his to teach me. Although I've seen KR's with > dual stick, I'm not sure > if there is one with dual pedals. If not, is this a modification that > can be made without too much expense and damage to the > airplane. The reason I > ask is because my flight instructor says he will not > get in the plane > without full dual control. > > The quandary I have is that there are no planes for > flight instruction > here. Everyone has their own plane, or has taken > the months to move into > Anchorage to learn how to fly. The people who've > done this are students > who are planning careers as commercial pilots. I > can't move into Anchorage > to learn how to fly. I really don't want to buy a > C150 just to learn how > to fly. > > What I really want to do is buy a KR2 or similar > modern plane and learn > how to fly it. I'd been looking at the Varieze but > have discovered that > they have no provision for dual control either. In > addition, the Varieze > doesn't seem to have the member-user base of the KR > planes. > > So, what do you have in mind? Can I buy a KR and > then have it adapted with > full dual control? > > While we are on the subject of KR2 training, can > someone explain the FAA > sport license proposal. How will it be different > from the standard private > pilot license? Thanks in advance for all replies. > > Thomas > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:30:05 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRNet" Subject: KR>spruce list posted! Message-ID: <001701c3c5e0$65838490$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 NetHeads, Bernie Wunder heeded the call, and sent me a list of Spruce for the KR2 that he got from Wicks. You might need to check against differences in the S if you're going to build an S, but the only place I can think would be different would be the length of the vertical stabilizer and rudder (maybe), although there may be others. Anyway, it's at http://www.krnet.org/kr2woodkit.jpg . Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Hartz To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>CORVAIR ENGINES.TWENTY OR MORE! Message-ID: <20031219035050.22853.qmail@web41306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <005501c3c445$eccfe160$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 KEN I'AM IN WILLITS CALIF.130 MILES NORTH OF SAN FRANCISCO ON HWY101. DAVE --- "Kenneth B. Jones" wrote: > Where are you located? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Hartz" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:17 PM > Subject: KR>CORVAIR ENGINES.TWENTY OR MORE! > > > > > > HEY FOLKS!I CAME ACROSS A BUNCH OF MOTORS IN A > SHOP > > BY MY HOUSE AND HE WANTS TO SELL THEM CHEAP-TWO TO > > THREE HUNDRED EACH.ANYONE INTERESTED SEND ME A > E-MAIL > > WITH BLOCK #'S YOUR LOOKING FOR AND I'LL CHECK IT > OUT > > .DAVE > > DEWRENCHER@YAHOO.COM > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and > > > > > > sharing_______________________________________________ > > > see KRnet list details at > > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:10:23 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>flight report Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031218221023.00873710@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <3FE18B30.912153B0@arctic.net> References: <007a01c3c45a$3da01d30$0301a8c0@wotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 I got about 45 minutes of flight time in on the KR while celebrating the 100th anniversery of flight. I made two three point "greaser" landings to make up for the landing on my first flight. Problems so far: Engine rpm still lower then expected. I called Ed Sterba and he will check my prop to see if it has warped in the 10 years since I purchased it, check it for balance (I have a slight vibration) and will repitch it if necessary, all at no charge. Can't beat that deal. I plan to throw on a set of wheel covers to do a speed run, do a compresson test, and take an accurate tach read with a remote tach before sending the prop back. Indications are I should only be down for a couple weeks. I checked out the heavy wing thing a bit more. It only gets heavy (very slightly) at cruise. At about 110K's it flies hands off, well as hands off as a KR will fly. It's such a "nit" for now I probably won't mess with it. I'm not ready to fly straight and level for awhile anyway. :-) I did one slowdown to near stall before putting it away for the day. Power at idle, holding altitude, it slowed until the airspeed needle rested on the peg at 40K's. There was no buffet, no need for control input to keep the wings level or nose on course. At one point it felt like it wanted to bobble and drop the nose but I flew out at that point. I'll try to get a GPS speed at some point. It rolls into 30 degree bank turns with no tendenancy to pitch the nose up or down and it tracks right around the turn solid as a rock. I tested the speed brake a bit more. I haven't done any speed checks with brake up/down but I did note that as the brake comes down it causes the nose to pitch down which is the way it should be. I'm sure I could get used to flying the KR without it but I'm already convinced it's the only way to go. Once I get the pucker out of my seat and the grin off my face I'll get into some serious testing with some numbers and try to get them posted. THIS THING IS GREAT !!!!! Merry Christmas to all......... Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:06:31 -0700 From: cartera To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>flight report Message-ID: <3FE29567.1030106@cuug.ab.ca> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20031218221023.00873710@pop.midwest.net> References: <007a01c3c45a$3da01d30$0301a8c0@wotech.net> <3.0.6.32.20031218221023.00873710@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Congratulations Larry, nice feeling isn't it. Try and peg your stall speed and do your approaches at Vs x 1.3 and then you become a Pro. If it mushed and did not stall have to get the nose way up high. That first stall will get the adrenalin running, but don't let it scare you. Good Luck and Happy Flying! Merry Christmas to all! AC larry flesner wrote: > > I got about 45 minutes of flight time in on the KR while celebrating > the 100th anniversery of flight. I made two three point "greaser" > landings to make up for the landing on my first flight. > > Problems so far: > > Engine rpm still lower then expected. I called Ed Sterba and he will > check my prop to see if it has warped in the 10 years since I > purchased it, check it for balance (I have a slight vibration) and > will repitch it if necessary, all at no charge. Can't beat that deal. > I plan to throw on a set of wheel covers to do a speed run, do a > compresson test, and take an accurate tach read with a remote tach > before sending the prop back. Indications are I should only be down > for a couple weeks. > > I checked out the heavy wing thing a bit more. It only gets heavy > (very slightly) at cruise. At about 110K's it flies hands off, well > as hands off as a KR will fly. It's such a "nit" for now I probably > won't mess with it. I'm not ready to fly straight and level for > awhile anyway. :-) > > I did one slowdown to near stall before putting it away for the day. > Power at idle, holding altitude, it slowed until the airspeed needle > rested on the peg at 40K's. There was no buffet, no need for control > input to keep the wings level or nose on course. At one point it felt > like it wanted to bobble and drop the nose but I flew out at that > point. I'll try to get a GPS speed at some point. > > It rolls into 30 degree bank turns with no tendenancy to > pitch the nose up or down and it tracks right around the > turn solid as a rock. > > I tested the speed brake a bit more. I haven't done any speed checks > with brake up/down but I did note that as the brake comes down it > causes the nose to pitch down which is the way it should be. I'm sure > I could get used to flying the KR without it but I'm already convinced > it's the only way to go. > > Once I get the pucker out of my seat and the grin off my > face I'll get into some serious testing with some numbers > and try to get them posted. THIS THING IS GREAT !!!!! > > Merry Christmas to all......... > > Larry Flesner > Carterville, Illinois > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > -- Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:33:38 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paolo=20Cavazzuti?= To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Aluminum list posted! Message-ID: <20031219073338.40389.qmail@web40602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Thanks a lot to Steven and Mark and to the ones who answered the aluminum question! Paolo Cavazzuti Modena, Italy. e-mail: sapiddomannaro@yahoo.it >From Mark Langford: Steven's aluminum list for the KR2 and KR2S has been posts. The html file is at.... ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:57:32 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Switch ratings Message-ID: <006f01c3c605$d8f9ede0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Folks For the elecrically inclined, a very basic qustion? How does one convert an AC switch rating to the DC equilivent. For example 125V AC 3-amp relates to 12V DC at what amps?? I know DC ratings are less for a given voltage due to the one way = current gradually removing metal from one contact whereas an AC current = gives even wear but..... I'm getting a 1/2 volt drop across my ignition switches after about 20 = hours that was not present initially and I'm wondering if the above = rating is insufficient. Regards The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.auFrom lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com Fri Dec 19 04:53:58 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.132] helo=ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AXK8k-000Fa7-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:53:58 -0800 Received: from your1rnfg39627 (6535219hfc105.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.219.105]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hBJCgGqX007726 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:42:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00b101c3c62d$8dc1c460$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> From: "Les Criscillo" To: "KRnet" References: <006f01c3c605$d8f9ede0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Subject: Re: KR>Switch ratings Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:42:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I'm not an expert on this, but I've been told you shouldn't mix AC = switches/breakers for DC use. Different cutoff mechanics inside the = switch lead to arching and finally switch failure when you least expect = it. AC switches terminate the circuit easier when used in an AC = environment because of the oscillating nature of the current. DC current = causes a longer hotter spark that can cause the switch to fail.=20 Les Criscillo Tampa, FL Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Martindale Family=20 To: KRnet=20 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 02:57 Subject: KR>Switch ratings Folks For the elecrically inclined, a very basic qustion? How does one convert an AC switch rating to the DC equilivent. For example 125V AC 3-amp relates to 12V DC at what amps?? I know DC ratings are less for a given voltage due to the one way = current gradually removing metal from one contact whereas an AC current = gives even wear but..... I'm getting a 1/2 volt drop across my ignition switches after about 20 = hours that was not present initially and I'm wondering if the above = rating is insufficient. Regards The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: = johnjane@chc.net.au_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.htmlFrom VANCE@claflinwildcats.com Fri Dec 19 05:16:40 2003 Received: from 63-245-139-250.kitusa.com ([63.245.139.250] helo=mail.claflinwildcats.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AXKUh-000Fkz-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:16:39 -0800 Received: from oemcomputer ([]) by mail.claflinwildcats.com (Merak 5.7.4) with SMTP id EYB37074 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:05:12 -0600 Message-ID: <003e01c3c631$17668e00$0600a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "JIM VANCE" To: "krnet" Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:03:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Switch Ratings X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: John, The exact number varies with the construction of the switch, but a rule = of thumb is that the D C current rating is about 1/8 that for A C. As the switch is closed or opened, there is an arc as the contacts = separate. Since A C reverses itself 120 times a second, the voltage = passes through zero 120 times a second. That quenches the arc, and it = won't melt any more metal off the contacts. With D C, the contact points are a miniature arc welder. As the points = open, an arc is established, and it keeps burning until the points are = far enough apart to cause it to quench. I would suggest buying switches from an electronic supply house that = will have all of the voltage and current parameters available. If you = can't find such a source, then I suggest that you replace your ignition = switch with one rated at 25 amps. Jim Vance = Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 254, Issue 1 *************************************