From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 261, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Precautions for trailering your KR home! (Thomas Brock) 2. Re: Canopy release and latches. (Dana Overall) 3. Re: Precautions for trailering your KR home! (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 4. Re: Canopy release and latches. (Mark Jones) 5. Re: Canopy release and latches. (Dana Overall) 6. CORSA (Patrick Driscoll) 7. Re: Canopy release and latches. (Mark Jones) 8. Re: Canopy release and latches. (roger mitchell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:38:23 -0900 From: Thomas Brock To: KRnet Subject: KR>Precautions for trailering your KR home! Message-ID: <3FEC2BAD.49142B43@arctic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Merry Christmas Everyone, I do hope that all of you and your families are having a safe, healthy, and restful holiday season. I hope that joy and peace are with you and yours. I've have gotten a thorough education on the need and necessity of trailering an experimental plane to its' new home base. I've also gotten great recommendations on HOW it should be done. For all newbies who are thinking of trailering their planes home, I'm posting the excellent reply that Sid Wood sent to me off the list. He has included some precautions that should be heeded by anyone who is inexperienced in trailering a KR airplane or any composite craft over long distances over rough roads. His reply is as follows: Tom, About 15 years ago Jeannette Rand and I did an investigation regarding a retract-gear KR-2 that had been trailered from the Seattle area to Alaska on the ALCAN highway by the buyer. The previous owner had checked out the new owner during several left-seat flights at Seattle. An independent A&P had checked the aircraft on a pre-sale inspection - no gripes. The new owner had removed and securely crated the wings. The box was strapped on the trailer. No problem with that. The fuselage on the gear was placed on the flat bed trailer and secured with 2-inch nylon cargo ratchets running over a single 3/8 inch bolt at the stub wing attach brackets on each side. The tail wheel was secured at the spring with another 2-inch cargo ratchet wrapped around the spring. The new owner stated that the landing gear was deflected "one or two inches" and felt that was firm enough to prevent shifting. After arriving with the KR-2 on the trailer at home in Alaska, several cracks were noticed on the exterior skin at the lower left firewall. Closer inspection revealed cracks all around the plywood fire wall. The VW engine, prop, mount and firewall were making early preparations to depart the aircraft as a unit. So what caused this sad situation? The problem with the rig was: A 600 pound KR-2 was hard mounted at the main spar on a tandem-axel flat bed trailer rated for 6,000 pounds. Then it was run over hundreds of miles of gravel roads through Canada and Alaska at about 60 mph. The stiff trailer springs and its rock-hard tires had put who knows how many hard landings on that defenseless KR-2. Moral of the story: If you are going to trailer your KR, let the little Lamb tires and spring gear do their job. Secure the fully inflated KR tires with the right sized tire straps. Use a light weight trailer appropriate for the job. No one needs to set land speed records with a KR. Regards, Sid Wood KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD sidney.wood@titan.com Hard mounting an airplane is an easy mistake to make, but one that we should avoid at all costs. Thanks Sid for your reply. You may just have saved some lives! Thomas Brock Aniak, Alaska ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:03:01 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Canopy release and latches. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 >From: Rick Wilson > >Hi Dana, I enjoy reading your posts. I've learned a >lot from reading what you have to say. I'm glad you >got the airplane you wanted and wish you the best of >luck with it. Rick Wilson. ps. what is the empty >weight of your piece of carbon fiber and foam? Rick, and others who caught that same blurb:-). Who ever said I got the airplane I wanted........heck, I want something that seats 15-18 burns kerosene and screams. Since it's Friday and this material is relevant to the KR, I posted a couple pics. I don't know what it weighs, I only said I could run out and take a picture of it:-) So: http://rvflying.tripod.com/carbon1.jpg If you are so inclined, replace the above 1 with a 2. Now, one for the holidays. I am really, really going out on a limb here. I took this pic this past summer while hiking up to the base camp of the Matterhorn in Zermatt, Switzerland. Just around the bend you actually start up that spine of the Matterhorn. The base camp is level with that line of snow you see of the right face of the mountain. This little monument was just one of many along the way. I've just had so many people want a copy as this is one. If anyone would like the full size file to print off, let me know off list. http://rvflying.tripod.com/swiss10.jpg Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:24:21 -0500 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: tbsr@arctic.net,krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Precautions for trailering your KR home! Message-ID: <20031226.092422.1972.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Prior to finding a hanger at the Myerstown Airport in Pa I had to trailer to the Reading Airport everytime I wanted to fly. I built a trailer 8X16 with wing pockets. The trailer is a single axle and the bed tilts to facilitate loading, I installed a boat winch to pull 6399U onto the trailer. I ONLY tie the the airplane down via the tires only. Between the trailer suspension and the landing gear there is no undo shock to the aircraft. One thing that needs to be done though-----------secure the elevator. On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:38:23 -0900 Thomas Brock writes: > Merry Christmas Everyone, > > I do hope that all of you and your families are having a safe, > healthy, and restful holiday season. I hope that joy and peace are > with you and yours. > > I've have gotten a thorough education on the need and necessity of > trailering an experimental plane to its' new home base. I've also > gotten great recommendations on HOW it should be done. For all > newbies who are thinking of trailering their planes home, I'm posting > the excellent reply that Sid Wood sent to me off the list. He has > included some precautions that should be heeded by anyone who is > inexperienced in trailering a KR airplane or any composite craft over > long distances over rough roads. His reply is as follows: > > > Tom, > About 15 years ago Jeannette Rand and I did an investigation regarding > a retract-gear KR-2 that had been trailered from the Seattle area to > Alaska on the ALCAN highway by the buyer. The previous owner had > checked out the new owner during several left-seat flights at > Seattle. An independent A&P had checked > the aircraft on a pre-sale inspection - no gripes. > The new owner had removed and securely crated the wings. The > box was strapped on the trailer. No > problem with that. The fuselage on the gear was placed on the > flat bed trailer and secured with 2-inch > nylon cargo ratchets running over a single 3/8 inch bolt at > the stub wing attach brackets on each side. > The tail wheel was secured at the spring with another 2-inch > cargo ratchet wrapped around the spring. > The new owner stated that the landing gear was deflected "one > or two inches" and felt that was firm > enough to prevent shifting. After arriving with the KR-2 on > the trailer at home in Alaska, several > cracks were noticed on the exterior skin at the lower left > firewall. Closer inspection revealed cracks > ll around the plywood fire wall. The VW engine, prop, mount > and firewall were making early > preparations to depart the aircraft as a unit. So what caused > this sad situation? > The problem with the rig was: A 600 pound KR-2 was hard > mounted at the main spar on a tandem-axel flat > bed trailer rated for 6,000 pounds. Then it was run over > hundreds of miles of gravel roads through > Canada and Alaska at about 60 mph. The stiff trailer springs > and its rock-hard tires had put who knows > how many hard landings on that defenseless KR-2. > Moral of the story: If you are going to trailer your KR, let > the little Lamb tires and spring gear do > their job. Secure the fully inflated KR tires with the right > sized tire straps. Use a light weight > trailer appropriate for the job. No one needs to set land > speed records with a KR. > Regards, > Sid Wood KR-2 N6242 > Mechanicsville, MD sidney.wood@titan.com > > > Hard mounting an airplane is an easy mistake to make, but one that we > should avoid at all costs. Thanks Sid for your reply. You may just > have saved some lives! > > Thomas Brock > Aniak, Alaska > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:27:11 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Canopy release and latches. Message-ID: <001001c3cbbc$5a17b860$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Dana, Is that some kind of light weight carbon with dark areas and light areas. Something maybe NASA designed? And what about those two sticks laying under the carbon? Made from Bondo? Working on my KR every day, ALL DAY, from right now till January 5th. Oh what a feeling it is................. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: Re: KR>Canopy release and latches. > > > >From: Rick Wilson > > > >Hi Dana, I enjoy reading your posts. I've learned a > >lot from reading what you have to say. I'm glad you > >got the airplane you wanted and wish you the best of > >luck with it. Rick Wilson. ps. what is the empty > >weight of your piece of carbon fiber and foam? > > Rick, and others who caught that same blurb:-). Who ever said I got > the airplane I wanted........heck, I want something that seats 15-18 > burns kerosene and screams. Since it's Friday and this material is > relevant to the KR, I posted a couple pics. I don't know what it > weighs, I only said I > could run out and take a picture of it:-) So: > > http://rvflying.tripod.com/carbon1.jpg > > If you are so inclined, replace the above 1 with a 2. > > Now, one for the holidays. I am really, really going out on a limb > here. I > took this pic this past summer while hiking up to the base camp of the > Matterhorn in Zermatt, Switzerland. Just around the bend you actually start > up that spine of the Matterhorn. The base camp is level with that > line of snow you see of the right face of the mountain. This little > monument was just one of many along the way. I've just had so many > people want a copy as > this is one. If anyone would like the full size file to print off, > let me know off list. > > http://rvflying.tripod.com/swiss10.jpg > > > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:30:24 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Canopy release and latches. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 >From: "Mark Jones" >Dana, >Is that some kind of light weight carbon with dark areas and light >areas. Something maybe NASA designed? And what about those two sticks >laying under the carbon? Made from Bondo Nah, the flash did do some strange imaging on the carbon fiber. Those two sticks...........that's my two pieces of foam:-) I would have thought a seasoned veteran would have recognized that:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Mark Jones" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR>Canopy release and latches. >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:27:11 -0600 > >Dana, >Is that some kind of light weight carbon with dark areas and light >areas. Something maybe NASA designed? And what about those two sticks >laying under the carbon? Made from Bondo? > >Working on my KR every day, ALL DAY, from right now till January 5th. >Oh what a feeling it is................. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dana Overall" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:03 AM >Subject: Re: KR>Canopy release and latches. > > > > > > > > >From: Rick Wilson > > > > > >Hi Dana, I enjoy reading your posts. I've learned a > > >lot from reading what you have to say. I'm glad you > > >got the airplane you wanted and wish you the best of > > >luck with it. Rick Wilson. ps. what is the empty > > >weight of your piece of carbon fiber and foam? > > > > Rick, and others who caught that same blurb:-). Who ever said I got > > the airplane I wanted........heck, I want something that seats 15-18 > > burns kerosene and screams. Since it's Friday and this material is > > relevant >to > > the KR, I posted a couple pics. I don't know what it weighs, I only >said >I > > could run out and take a picture of it:-) So: > > > > http://rvflying.tripod.com/carbon1.jpg > > > > If you are so inclined, replace the above 1 with a 2. > > > > Now, one for the holidays. I am really, really going out on a limb >here. >I > > took this pic this past summer while hiking up to the base camp of > > the Matterhorn in Zermatt, Switzerland. Just around the bend you > > actually >start > > up that spine of the Matterhorn. The base camp is level with that > > line >of > > snow you see of the right face of the mountain. This little > > monument >was > > just one of many along the way. I've just had so many people want a >copy >as > > this is one. If anyone would like the full size file to print off, > > let >me > > know off list. > > > > http://rvflying.tripod.com/swiss10.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > Dana Overall > > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > > Richmond, KY > > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > > Finish kit > > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > > http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! > > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:40:21 -0600 From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR Mailing list" Subject: KR>CORSA Message-ID: <000d01c3cbce$f49346e0$2e8dd440@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 I joined the club in Minneapolis and found a fellow that would exchange = the case, heads and crank of my 63 for a 110 Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:28:23 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Canopy release and latches. Message-ID: <003201c3cbd5$aa8325a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" > Those two sticks...........that's my two pieces of foam:-) I would > have thought a > seasoned veteran would have recognized that:-) > Oh yea, some guys use pink.......but then there is a lot of pink foam on my plane so I am gonna let you slide on that one. Any pink on that RV? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:29:12 -0600 From: "roger mitchell" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Canopy release and latches. Message-ID: References: <003201c3cbd5$aa8325a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 kr'ers I goinging to be in tuson az. on 30 dec, would like to see and = poss fly in one of the kr's while there if time permits roger p mitchell N316RP KR2S Lathrop MoFrom bo124rs@hotmail.com Fri Dec 26 10:43:40 2003 Received: from bay13-f61.bay13.hotmail.com ([64.4.31.61] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AZww0-000NYz-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:43:40 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:32:36 -0800 Received: from 64.12.96.200 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:32:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.96.200] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bo124rs@hotmail.com From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Subject: Re: KR>Canopy release and latches. now Fun Friday nonsense:-) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 13:32:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2003 18:32:36.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2AF46C0:01C3CBDE] X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >Oh yea, some guys use pink.......but then there is a lot of pink foam >on my plane so I am gonna let you slide on that one. Any pink on that >RV? > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA Can't talk about that specifically:-) but on the fiberglass pieces of the a project I have in my garage.........you have to "plug" the ends. I'm using pink foam and carbon fiber, the type used by KR builders, to address this issue. Seems some builders/assemblers of a project such as mine, use balsa wood, styrafoam, flower vase foam........anything to keep from using "epoxy". What wusees!! So, although I can't specifically answer your question.................. Work on the KR non stop.......wife must be out of town. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 261, Issue 1 *************************************