From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 330, Issue 3 Date: 3/4/2004 9:22:49 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Areo carb critique (j stevens) 2. Re: Sealing leaks in Dan Diehl wing tanks (Phillip Matheson) 3. Re: Spruce Order (Ross Youngblood) 4. AS&S (Colin & Bev Rainey) 5. Re: AS&S 6. Re: Spruce Order 7. Re: Belly Board 8. Re: Belly Board 9. RE: KR-2 Weight and balance (Dan Heath) 10. Re: AS&S (David Mikesell) 11. Re: Spruce Order (joe) 12. Re: Advertising (Orma Robbins) 13. Re: Spruce Order (Mark Jones) 14. Re: Areo carb critique (Mark Jones) 15. Re: Advertising (Dan Heath) 16. Re: Advertising (Bob) 17. spruce order thanx 18. Re: Spruce Order 19. Re: Spruce Order (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 20. Re: Advertising (Ray Fuenzalida) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:22:05 -0600 From: j stevens To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Areo carb critique Message-ID: <40478FED.6060205@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Does anyone have knowledge of or experience with the Areo carb from Sonex for use on the VW. I am considering upgrading from the Zenith . Regards Joel ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:12:44 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Sealing leaks in Dan Diehl wing tanks Message-ID: <000d01c4022d$70cf8a90$c796dccb@StationW2k04> References: <144.237d2c72.2d781e86@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Lynn, Thanks for you concern. Yes. Polyester (P/E) resin with a smooth finish must be sanded. Vinyl Easter (V/E) is a laminating resin and sticks much better to it's self than P/E. (You said I used Epoxy, Sorry I did not ) I only used V/Ester I did not have smooth finishes inside or out of my tanks, from all info I have received , it should be fine. Also I made long fine removable Finger strainers for both tank outlets. Thanks Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:28:26 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200403041230.i24CUFlV087910@mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net> References: <200403041230.i24CUFlV087910@mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 3 I don't know if you can find anyone at ACS familiar with the KR. What is your question. The founder of Wicks Aircraft built one of the first KR kits.. but that is the founder. The employees of these places are usually regular non-kit building people I have found. You might find a KRnetter who could answer your question. On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:31:35 +0000, wrote: > Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a > contact at Aircraft Spruce. He, She would be familar with the KR. I > plan on driving to pick up my order and talk face to face. (I live less > than two hours away.) > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:53:48 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>AS&S Message-ID: <002601c40233$2cc76830$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 In all fairness to A S & S I have to report that I have received nothing = but excellent service from them and I have placed over 20 orders with = them in the past year. Small and large I have received exactly what I = wanted. I will mention that all but maybe one order was placed on the = internet site and handled flawlessly. I even had 2 different times = where items were on back order that were shipped later that I wasn't = charged additional shipping even they shipped 2 different packages. = Maybe it has to do with east coast warehouse instead of west coast. = Wicks has also been good to me, I have ordered from them twice. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom fegbdf@earthlink.net Thu Mar 04 14:19:37 2004 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Az1Bp-0005A4-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:19:37 -0800 Received: from h-67-101-148-119.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.148.119] helo=o7p4e3)by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Az14B-0002TM-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:11:43 -0800 Message-ID: <002c01c40235$f120d700$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> From: "joe" To: "KRnet" References: Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:13:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Think about it. Their are only so many sources for KR speciality made parts. We could try to force one out of business. BUT, in the long run employees change jobs and service either improves or gets worse. The fact that you were given open access to the President of the company surprises the hell out of me. Six months from now things most probably won't seem as serious as they do now. How many complaints have you seen in these Krnetter messages. Next time you have a Spruce problem you know you have ready access to the President of the company. A most reassuring fact. You may not have this type of access with somebody else. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order > >Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a > >contact at > Aircraft Spruce. > > Good luck! > > I have had so many problems with Aircraft Spruce I will never order > from them > again unless they are the only place I can find what I need. The last > run in > I had with them was over some bolts that I ordered. I messed up and ordered > the wrong grip length, (my fault), but I asked if I could send them > back for a > refund and they said of course as long as they were not used. I had ordered 3 > different sizes lengths and the shortest one was way to long. I had > only removed 1 bolt from the box that was the shortest length when I > realized they were > not going to work. I threw it back in the box and sent them back. > After a week > went by I called to find out why I had not received a credit to my account. > They to me it had just went though today and was for half of what it should have > been for because they said half of the bolts were missing. The only > way I could prove that they were all there was the return shipping > weight was the same > as the initial shipping weight. After about 3 weeks of fighting I went > to the > president of the company Jim Irwin. He got It work out and I got my > money back > but I shouldn't have to run to the president every time the mess > something up > but apparently that is what it takes with Aircraft Spruce. > > I placed 4 orders so far this year and they have messed up 3 of them. > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:13:27 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>AS&S Message-ID: <154.2f3d06e9.2d790407@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 In a message dated 3/4/2004 2:54:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time, crainey1@cfl.rr.com writes: Maybe it has to do with east coast warehouse instead of west coast. Wicks has also been good to me, I have ordered from them twice. Yes, I will agree with that. East coast A S & S is defiantly better than west. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:17:12 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order Message-ID: <81.6d466d7.2d7904e8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 In a message dated 3/4/2004 3:12:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, fegbdf@earthlink.net writes: Think about it. Their are only so many sources for KR speciality made parts. We could try to force one out of business. Well, it you lost 30 dollars on every order would you order from them again if you didn't have to? I have seen lost of complaints about AS&S. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:20:56 EST From: Raybeth321@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Belly Board Message-ID: <92.4f0e19a.2d7905c8@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 roger, ai would like to have your drawings on the Belly Board. I have mine made 40"x 10" of foam and fiberglass construction. I primarily need the handle mechanism. did you hear from Justin? I have not. Ray Goree raybeth321@wmconnect.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:24:32 EST From: Raybeth321@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Belly Board Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Larry, Do you happen to have a sketch of your handle mechanism? Ray Goree Arlington, Tx Raybeth321@wmconnect.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:37:40 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: RE: KR>KR-2 Weight and balance Message-ID: <4047AFB4.00000C.03648@Computer> References: <000101c401f6$b9d5ddc0$2c0101c0@ate.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 There is a link to the W&B right on the home page of our site. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: serge.vidal@ate-international.com; KRnet=0D Date: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:42:38 AM=0D To: 'KRnet'=0D Subject: RE: KR>KR-2 Weight and balance=0D =0D Hans,=0D =0D The mass and balance sheet of the KR2 construction manual should get you=0D started. I will send you my Excel spreadsheet if you give us an E-mail=0D address.=0D =0D Serge Vidal=0D KR2 ZS-WEC=0D Tunis, Tunisia=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On=0D Behalf Of Hans Maritz=0D Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 14:05=0D To: KRnet=0D Subject: KR>KR-2 Weight and balance=0D =0D =0D Hi All,=0D =0D Just acquired a KR-2(ZS-VYX) with a nose wheel.=0D =0D Could some body kindly furnish me with some weight and balance informatio= n=0D on the KR-2?=0D =0D Regards,=0D =0D Hans Maritz=0D =0D (Johannesburg, South Africa)=0D IMPORTANT NOTICE:=0D =0D If you are not the intended recipient of this email (or such person's=0D authorised representative), then :=0D =0D (a) please notify the sender of this email immediately by return email,=0D facsimile or telephone and delete this message from your system;=0D (b) you may not print, store, forward or copy this message or any part=0D thereof or disclose or cause information in this message to be=0D disclosed to any other person.=0D =0D The information in or attached to this email message is confidential and = may=0D be subject to legal privilege and client confidentiality.=0D In addition this message is subject to important restrictions,=0D qualifications and disclaimers ("the disclaimer") that must be accessed a= nd=0D read by copying the following address into your Internet browser's addres= s=0D bar : http://www.investec.com/emaildisclaimer/=0D =0D The disclaimer also provides our corporate information and names of our=0D directors as required by law.=0D =0D The disclaimer is deemed to form part of this message in terms of Section= 11=0D of the Electronic Communications and Transactions Act 25 of 2002.=0D If you cannot access the disclaimer, please obtain a copy thereof from us= by=0D sending an email to : disclaimer@investec.co.za=0D =0D _______________________________________=0D to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________=0D to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html=0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:45:31 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>AS&S Message-ID: <380-22004344224531226@skyguynca.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 I have used both AS&S and Wicks=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Efor spruce I genera= lly go with Wicks just because even though Iam ordering raw stock right off the shelves AS&S won't send it for 3 to 6 weeks because of wood orders in front of me=2E Even though they don't have to cut anything and they have enough to fill all the orders I still have to wait, Wicks has always shipped my spruce with in 3 days of orders=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Eever= ything else like plywood and parts from AS&S and I get it usually in 2 days, they are only 6 hours from my house West coast=2E ---- Original Message ---- From: Boeing757mech1@aol=2Ecom To: krnet@mylist=2Enet Subject: Re: KR>AS&S Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:13:27 EST >In a message dated 3/4/2004 2:54:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time,=20 >crainey1@cfl=2Err=2Ecom writes: Maybe it has to do with east coast >warehouse instead of west coast=2E=20 Wicks=20 >has also been good to me, I have ordered from them twice=2E >Yes, I will agree with that=2E East coast A S & S is defiantly better >than west=2E >=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist=2Enet >please see other KRnet info at http://www=2Ekrnet=2Eorg/info=2Ehtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:16:25 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order Message-ID: <000f01c4023e$b7112ac0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <81.6d466d7.2d7904e8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Dear Sir; I apologize for incorrectly reading your message. I was unaware that you lost $30 on all your orders or even one for that matter.. Again I apologize. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order > In a message dated 3/4/2004 3:12:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > fegbdf@earthlink.net writes: Think about it. > > Their are only so many sources for KR speciality made parts. We > could try to force one out of business. Well, it you lost 30 dollars > on every order would you order from them again > if you didn't have to? I have seen lost of complaints about AS&S. > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 18:49:29 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Advertising Message-ID: <006d01c40243$56a40270$acc14944@ROBBINS1> References: <200403041236.i24CaXp5012457@mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 If more KR Planes would show up at major fly-ins the popularity would grow I really like to see this post every now and then, because it gives me the opportunity to vent my frustration at the selection date for the KR gathering each year. The last gathering that I attended was in september, similar to the date for the upcomming gathering. After all the drivers departed for home, we, the KR flyers who attended, were stuck, weathered in, sitting in a valley in Ky not able to go home til Tuesday. Some may view the following as excuses, but here goes. 1. If you have a job or something ealse to do, you can't take the chance on encountering the kind of weather where you can't get home. 2. Equally as bad is making an adventurous skud run under low cloud cover to get home. 3. In late September encountering a temp/dew point spread of less then 3, where the temp at altitude is in the 30 something range, is an invitation for carb ice, which most KR are ill equipted to handle. The voters who are attendees at the current event, for the most part are not KR flyers. (I assume this because very few KR's show at the gatherings.} A lot of the attendees are still impressed with, or still feel the must do urge to go to Mecca (Oshkosh). They are not about to set the gathering date near to that other date because of the conflict with the big event and, or not being able to get two quick succession kitchen passes, or the money won't allow two such event during the heat of summer. As much as I have enjoyed Oshkosh, the scope of the event so overshodows our little KR that if being with and learning more about the KR is your goal, there should be no question as to which event you should attend. A lot of the KR owners that I talk to have been to Oshkosh enough that the novelty has worn off. Most would rather spent quality time with other KR builders and flyers. The vendors and suppliers within our group are partially driven by money and need to attend both. Personally if I had to choose only one event to attend for the summer, and the gathering was only one of two choises, it would win. Here are a few suggestions: 1. Perhaps the privelege to vote should be should be given to the flyers only 2. Future gathering dates could be linited to between 15 June and 30 August 3. Setup an online survey of all KR owners and those within a few months of the first flight and see when they want to have a gathering. I invite both comments and crtizism. I feel this is a subject that need discussion. Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 18:54:40 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Cc: Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order Message-ID: <001801c4024c$711fdc60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 ----- Original Message ----- From: > Good luck! > > I have had so many problems with Aircraft Spruce I will never order > from them > again unless they are the only place I can find what I need. Amen to that. Today I received a RAC trim system from AS&S and it did not include the LED position indicator as they represent that it does. I ordered the T4-5 model and when I received it, the instructions states that the T4-5 servo has no compatible position indicator. The AS&S catalog leads you to believe that all the RAC Systems come with a Servo, Clevis/Pushrod, Rocker Switch and LED Position Indicator. Well, the T4-5 does not and I am pi$$ed that I was mislead. Just another reason why it pays to deal with Wick's. Unfortunately, Wick's does not offer these trim systems. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:15:08 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Areo carb critique Message-ID: <005901c4024f$4ceba4c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <40478FED.6060205@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Joel, There is a wealth of information in the archives on the Aerocarb. Do a search here http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp But, to put it in perspective...if you do not have a gravity feed fuel system, the Aerocarb is not for you. It simply will not perform with a fuel pump. I have tested it extensively and finally got rid of it. I rep[laced my Aerocarb with an Ellison and I am one happy camper that I did. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "j stevens" To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: KR>Areo carb critique > Does anyone have knowledge of or experience with the Areo carb from Sonex > for use on the VW. I am considering upgrading from the Zenith . > > Regards > Joel > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:52:05 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Advertising Message-ID: <4047DD45.000001.02176@Computer> References: <006d01c40243$56a40270$acc14944@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Orma,=0D =0D I have been trying to get that across to the organizers for over 2 years, every year, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. We lost 2 KRs last year wh= o were trying their best to get there, but ended up taking their planes hom= e in a U-Haul and lucky to get away with their lives.=0D =0D I had a "I learned about flying from that" experience on the last gatheri= ng I attended in Tenn. when I had the Little Beast. Never again. If the weat= her is even a little iffy, you won't see this plane there.=0D =0D KRs, with few exceptions, never go to Oshkosh or to SNF.=0D =0D I agree 1000000% with you and I wish some of the others who feel the same would let their voice be heard. =0D =0D I have never heard of a reason other than the "big event" reason, why we should not have the gathering at the best time for us to get KRs to it. I would rather go to the KR gathering than any other flying event that I ha= ve ever been to and I have been to both of the "big" ones.=0D =0D One day, I am going to document my "I learned about flying from that", bu= t, it is not much unlike the one that those two experienced, except that I w= as more lucky. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Orma Robbins; KRnet=0D Date: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:49:56 PM=0D To: KRnet=0D Subject: Re: KR>Advertising=0D =0D If more KR Planes would show up at major fly-ins the popularity would gro= w=0D =0D I really like to see this post every now and then, because it gives me th= e=0D opportunity to vent my frustration at the selection date for the KR=0D gathering each year. The last gathering that I attended was in september,= =0D similar to the date for the upcomming gathering. After all the drivers=0D departed for home, we, the KR flyers who attended, were stuck, weathered = in,=0D sitting in a valley in Ky not able to go home til Tuesday.=0D Some may view the following as excuses, but here goes.=0D 1. If you have a job or something ealse to do, you can't take the chance = on=0D encountering the kind of weather where you can't get home.=0D 2. Equally as bad is making an adventurous skud run under low cloud cover= =0D to get home.=0D 3. In late September encountering a temp/dew point spread of less then 3,= =0D where the temp at altitude is in the 30 something range, is an invitation= =0D for carb ice, which most KR are ill equipted to handle.=0D The voters who are attendees at the current event, for the most part are = not=0D KR flyers. (I assume this because very few KR's show at the gatherings.} = A=0D lot of the attendees are still impressed with, or still feel the must do=0D urge to go to Mecca (Oshkosh). They are not about to set the gathering da= te=0D near to that other date because of the conflict with the big event and, o= r=0D not being able to get two quick succession kitchen passes, or the money=0D won't allow two such event during the heat of summer.=0D As much as I have enjoyed Oshkosh, the scope of the event so overshodows = our=0D little KR that if being with and learning more about the KR is your goal,= =0D there should be no question as to which event you should attend. A lot of= =0D the KR owners that I talk to have been to Oshkosh enough that the novelty= =0D has worn off. Most would rather spent quality time with other KR builders= =0D and flyers. The vendors and suppliers within our group are partially driv= en=0D by money and need to attend both. Personally if I had to choose only one=0D event to attend for the summer, and the gathering was only one of two=0D choises, it would win. Here are a few suggestions:=0D 1. Perhaps the privelege to vote should be should be given to the flyers=0D only=0D 2. Future gathering dates could be linited to between 15 June and 30 Augu= st=0D 3. Setup an online survey of all KR owners and those within a few months = of=0D the first flight and see when they want to have a gathering.=0D =0D I invite both comments and crtizism. I feel this is a subject that need=0D discussion.=0D Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI=0D 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR=0D http://www.aviation-mechanics.com=0D =0D =2E.=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________=0D to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html=0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:34:58 -0600 From: Bob To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Advertising Message-ID: <4047F562.E22B524E@hcnews.com> References: <006d01c40243$56a40270$acc14944@ROBBINS1> <4047DD45.000001.02176@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Netters..I have sparkplug wires (regular harness for 6 cyl FAA aproved) paid 265 take 150 plus postage..have small and large venturi..$25 each plus S&H..Plane cover engine to back of baggage comp for low wing Bonanza size still in custom bag..have 3 head sets with mike $120 or $45 each plus S&H..two never used..bob hailey.ph 254-835-4838..bhailey@hcnews.com ...paid 320 for cover take 200..never used..bhailey > >, > > > > > > > > > I had a "I learned about flying from that" experience on the last > gathering I attended in Tenn. when I had the Little Beast. Never > again. If the weather is even a little iffy, you won't see this plane > there. > > > > KRs, with few exceptions, never go to Oshkosh or to SNF. > > > > I agree 1000000% with you and I wish some of the others who feel the > same would let their voice be heard. > > > > I have never heard of a reason other than the "big event" reason, why > we should not have the gathering at the best time for us to get KRs to > it. I would rather go to the KR gathering than any other flying event > that I have ever been to and I have been to both of the "big" ones. > > > > One day, I am going to document my "I learned about flying from that", > but, it is not much unlike the one that those two experienced, except > that I was more lucky. > > > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Orma Robbins; KRnet > > Date: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:49:56 PM > > To: KRnet > > Subject: Re: KR>Advertising > > > > If more KR Planes would show up at major fly-ins the popularity would > grow > > > > I really like to see this post every now and then, because it gives me > the > > opportunity to vent my frustration at the selection date for the KR > > gathering each year. The last gathering that I attended was in > september, > > similar to the date for the upcomming gathering. After all the drivers > > departed for home, we, the KR flyers who attended, were stuck, > weathered in, > > sitting in a valley in Ky not able to go home til Tuesday. > > Some may view the following as excuses, but here goes. > > 1. If you have a job or something ealse to do, you can't take the > chance on > > encountering the kind of weather where you can't get home. > > 2. Equally as bad is making an adventurous skud run under low cloud > cover > > to get home. > > 3. In late September encountering a temp/dew point spread of less then > 3, > > where the temp at altitude is in the 30 something range, is an > invitation > > for carb ice, which most KR are ill equipted to handle. > > The voters who are attendees at the current event, for the most part > are not > > KR flyers. (I assume this because very few KR's show at the > gatherings.} A > > lot of the attendees are still impressed with, or still feel the must > do > > urge to go to Mecca (Oshkosh). They are not about to set the gathering > date > > near to that other date because of the conflict with the big event > and, or > > not being able to get two quick succession kitchen passes, or the > money > > won't allow two such event during the heat of summer. > > As much as I have enjoyed Oshkosh, the scope of the event so > overshodows our > > little KR that if being with and learning more about the KR is your > goal, > > there should be no question as to which event you should attend. A lot > of > > the KR owners that I talk to have been to Oshkosh enough that the > novelty > > has worn off. Most would rather spent quality time with other KR > builders > > and flyers. The vendors and suppliers within our group are partially > driven > > by money and need to attend both. Personally if I had to choose only > one > > event to attend for the summer, and the gathering was only one of two > > choises, it would win. Here are a few suggestions: > > 1. Perhaps the privelege to vote should be should be given to the > flyers > > only > > 2. Future gathering dates could be linited to between 15 June and 30 > August > > 3. Setup an online survey of all KR owners and those within a few > months of > > the first flight and see when they want to have a gathering. > > > > I invite both comments and crtizism. I feel this is a subject that > need > > discussion. > > Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI > > 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR > > http://www.aviation-mechanics.com > > > > .. > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > . > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 3:44:52 +0000 From: To: Subject: KR>spruce order thanx Message-ID: <200403050343.i253hUGw079598@mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Thanks for the replies of the spruce order question. I saw a lot of complaints so that is why I asked for a person to person contact. Does not seem to be one. As far as time to ship. That is why I want to drive to pick up. I personally purchased a "PILOT" headset as a back up from Aircraft Spruce. $150.00 works great and got it within FIVE DAYS. I guess the more you spend the harder they treat you. Again thanks. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:43:30 -0500 From: intrepid1ac@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order Message-ID: <20040304.224338.-338455.3.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 > "Mark Jones" writes: > Today I received a RAC trim system from AS&S and it > did not include the LED position indicator as they represent > that it does. I ordered the T4-5 model and when I received it, > the instructions states that the T4-5 servo has no compatible > position indicator. The AS&S catalog leads you to believe > that all the RAC Systems come with a Servo, Clevis/Pushrod, > Rocker Switch and LED Position Indicator. Well, the T4-5 > does not and I am pi$$ed that I was mislead. Misteaks hapenne; it's a large catalog and they get a lot of descriptions (and related good info.) right. OTOH, the opportunity is now presented to make up a simple position indicator and provide it to others feeling the pinch from RAC not offering one. Perhaps a simple PC-board with a wiper contact attached to the moving arm of the servo, or even a potentiometer dialing an analog voltmeter in the cockpit ? A bar-graph LED display would be nice on the panel, easy to accomplish, and could work with either driver. Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie" 1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started ( but four metal homebuilts underway ) Winston-Salem, NC ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:02:25 -0800 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order Message-ID: <00b601c40266$ab6f62e0$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> References: <001801c4024c$711fdc60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Mark & Others, One thing about some items that we buy from AS&S and or Wicks, many of these same items can be ordered straight from the manufacture. I ordered my trim servo from AS&S, but I see now that I could have ordered it direct from Ray Allen off their website. Out of curiosity Mark, is this one for rudder or aileron ? Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net http://rayallencompany.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > Good luck! > > > > I have had so many problems with Aircraft Spruce I will never order > > from > them > > again unless they are the only place I can find what I need. > > Amen to that. Today I received a RAC trim system from AS&S and it did > not ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:22:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida To: bhailey@hcnews.com, KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Advertising Message-ID: <20040305052231.86047.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4047F562.E22B524E@hcnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 20 I agree with you. I have been to snf and Oshkosh and am going to snf this year again. But I will attend the gathering this year. Ray --- Bob wrote: > Netters..I have sparkplug wires (regular harness for > 6 cyl FAA aproved) > paid 265 take 150 plus postage..have small and large venturi..$25 each > plus S&H..Plane cover engine to back of > baggage comp for low wing Bonanza size still in > custom bag..have 3 head > sets with mike $120 or $45 each plus S&H..two never > used..bob hailey.ph > 254-835-4838..bhailey@hcnews.com ...paid 320 > for cover take > 200..never used..bhailey > > > >, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a "I learned about flying from that" > experience on the last gathering > > I attended in Tenn. when I had the Little Beast. > Never again. If the weather > > is even a little iffy, you won't see this plane > there. > > > > > > > > KRs, with few exceptions, never go to Oshkosh or > to SNF. > > > > > > > > I agree 1000000% with you and I wish some of the > others who feel the same > > would let their voice be heard. > > > > > > > > I have never heard of a reason other than the "big > event" reason, why we > > should not have the gathering at the best time for > us to get KRs to it. I > > would rather go to the KR gathering than any other > flying event that I have > > ever been to and I have been to both of the "big" > ones. > > > > > > > > One day, I am going to document my "I learned > about flying from that", but, > > it is not much unlike the one that those two > experienced, except that I was > > more lucky. > > > > > > > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on > the pics > > > > > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > > > > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > > > > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > > > > > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > > > From: Orma Robbins; KRnet > > > > Date: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:49:56 PM > > > > To: KRnet > > > > Subject: Re: KR>Advertising > > > > > > > > If more KR Planes would show up at major fly-ins > the popularity would grow > > > > > > > > I really like to see this post every now and then, > because it gives me the > > > > opportunity to vent my frustration at the > selection date for the KR > > > > gathering each year. The last gathering that I > attended was in september, > > > > similar to the date for the upcomming gathering. > After all the drivers > > > > departed for home, we, the KR flyers who attended, > were stuck, weathered in, > > > > sitting in a valley in Ky not able to go home til > Tuesday. > > > > Some may view the following as excuses, but here > goes. > > > > 1. If you have a job or something ealse to do, you > can't take the chance on > > > > encountering the kind of weather where you can't > get home. > > > > 2. Equally as bad is making an adventurous skud > run under low cloud cover > > > > to get home. > > > > 3. In late September encountering a temp/dew point > spread of less then 3, > > > > where the temp at altitude is in the 30 something > range, is an invitation > > > > for carb ice, which most KR are ill equipted to > handle. > > > > The voters who are attendees at the current event, > for the most part are not > > > > KR flyers. (I assume this because very few KR's > show at the gatherings.} A > > > > lot of the attendees are still impressed with, or > still feel the must do > > > > urge to go to Mecca (Oshkosh). They are not about > to set the gathering date > > > > near to that other date because of the conflict > with the big event and, or > > > > not being able to get two quick succession kitchen > passes, or the money > > > > won't allow two such event during the heat of > summer. > > > > As much as I have enjoyed Oshkosh, the scope of > the event so overshodows our > > > > little KR that if being with and learning more > about the KR is your goal, > > > > there should be no question as to which event you > should attend. A lot of > > > > the KR owners that I talk to have been to Oshkosh > enough that the novelty > > > > has worn off. Most would rather spent quality time > with other KR builders > > > > and flyers. The vendors and suppliers within our > group are partially driven > > > > by money and need to attend both. Personally if I > had to choose only one > > > > event to attend for the summer, and the gathering > was only one of two > > > > choises, it would win. Here are a few suggestions: > > > > 1. Perhaps the privelege to vote should be should > be given to the flyers > > > > only > > > > 2. Future gathering dates could be linited to > between 15 June and 30 August > > > > 3. Setup an online survey of all KR owners and > those within a few months of > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 330, Issue 3 ************************************* ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================