From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 334, Issue 3 Date: 3/8/2004 4:46:55 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Paint booth (Pat Driscoll) 2. Re: some of us dont have RV money! (Ray Fuenzalida) 3. More wing area (Dan Heath) 4. Dana/Panel (joe) 5. Re: Turbocharging a KR (Brian Kraut) 6. Re: Turbocharging a KR (joe) 7. Re: Gatherings - wakeup call (Brian Kraut) 8. brs install pic (for Joe) (j stevens) 9. Re: Dana (Ron Eason) 10. Building to Plans 11. Re: brs install pic (for Joe) (joe) 12. Re: Turbocharging a KR (Ron Eason) 13. Re: brs install pic (for Joe) (joe) 14. Turbocharging a KR (Ron Eason) 15. Re: Painting (Wayne Israelsen) 16. Re: Turbocharging a KR (joe) 17. Re: Turbocharging a KR (gleone) 18. Characteristics and Limits. (joe) 19. RE: Saved my life (larry severson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:49:48 -0600 From: "Pat Driscoll" To: "KR Mailing list" Subject: KR>Paint booth Message-ID: <003501c40546$857678c0$778dd440@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Dana said Next time one of those traveling tool sales deals rolls through your = town,=20 go buy one of the 10' x 20' white tent canopies. You can usually buy = them=20 for about $100. These include all the poles. You can also buy the side = curtains for something like $49.=20 I found a canopy at the local Dollar Store for $15. it is all plastic = but for an indoor paint booth it would be just fine. I hadn't thought of = using it for that but thanks to Dana, I now have a great paint booth. = Just add an extra 2" x 2" frame to one side to make it big enough for = the fuse. Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:46:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>some of us dont have RV money! Message-ID: <20040308204601.62353.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Sharing a ride is probably the best way to go - plane or car. That will make it easier for all of us to get anywhere. Example, I am going to Sun-n-Fun and will be driving from New Orleans. Would be happy to share driving and costs with someone on the way. Am planning on camping. Ray Flymaca711689@aol.com wrote: I dream of going to the Kr gatherings but IM a realest I cant take that much time off without a lot of planing and money. IM not willing to give up my fishing trip money for others and spend that money to fly so far just to come back all rag out for others that may piss me off because of there big heads that have zero time in a Kr or a light aircraft the fact is if i ran in to some of the folks the put me down for my poor spelling god help them IM Irish and it would be pay back time. I hope to make sun and fun and VA eaa fly in if not that's life give the poor folk a break the Kr wrote the book on economy thats how i made my dream come true if you what to see a kr find somebody on the net and go see it fly maybe a ride mac the knife and im on your six! flymaca711689@aol _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster.From askies@microlink.zm Mon Mar 08 14:47:27 2004 Received: from mail.microlink.zm ([193.220.20.35]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B0TWv-000MxG-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:47:26 -0800 Received: from homedesktop (accessrv.microlink.zm [193.220.20.66] (may be forged)) by mail.microlink.zm (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i28MDkD09896 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:13:46 GMT From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:41:20 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c4055e$7dad2360$da64a8c0@homedesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040221205149.00802490@pop.midwest.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: KR>Dana X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I am trying to pin down the final dimensions for my KR. Many netters talk of stretching a bit in the fuselage, but I seldom hear anyone talk about altering the wings. I am looking for a few more sq. feet (the deeper 18% AS section provides the additional spar depth). I went surfing to see if anyone is talking about wing area. In the pictures on Dana's site - his airplane appears to have longer wings. On the other hand, Mike Mim's airplane appears to have substantially shorter wings. Pictures of the these two aircraft are right by each other on the yearbook page http://www.krnet.org/krnet_yearbook.htm sure looks like a big difference. Has anyone increased wing area over the 2S Has anyone pushed the fuselage width to 46" Thanks Steve askies@microlink.zm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:43:41 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>More wing area Message-ID: <404CF71D.000005.02532@Computer> References: <000001c4055e$7dad2360$da64a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 If you look at a "stock" KR, it may appear to have short wings. If you l= ook and one with the Dan Diehl wing skins, it will probably appear to have lo= ng wings. The Diehl are about a 3 to 4 feet longer wing span. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From askies@microlink.zm Mon Mar 08 15:00:34 2004 Received: from mail.microlink.zm ([193.220.20.35]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B0Tjc-000NLB-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:00:33 -0800 Received: from homedesktop (accessrv.microlink.zm [193.220.20.66] (may be forged)) by mail.microlink.zm (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i28MQsD10101 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:26:54 GMT From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>More wing area Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:54:30 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c40560$5449ab90$da64a8c0@homedesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <404CF71D.000005.02532@Computer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >>>>If you look and one with the Dan Diehl wing skins, it will probably appear to have long wings. The Diehl are about a 3 to 4 feet longer wing span. Thank you Daniel. Then the wings are actually longer on airplanes with Diehl skins. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:08:58 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Dana/Panel Message-ID: <000c01c40562$56d12ee0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Dana' Beautiful aircraft and stunning panel. How do you plan to maintain coordinated flight without a slip indicator. JoeFrom jes@usfamily.net Mon Mar 08 15:16:41 2004 Received: from xo-m3.usfamily.net ([67.104.219.37]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B0TzF-000Nnp-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 15:16:41 -0800 Received: from [207.218.44.89] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:08:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jes@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <404CFCE8.9060602@usfamily.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:08:24 -0600 From: j stevens User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet@mylist.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: KR>3 point landings X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: colin wrote: Joel, I would = encourage all to follow these minimum guidelines for safety sake even = not required for experimental certificated aircraft. Joel the 3 = pointers are great for light wind conditions, but I would still stay = Colin & Bev Rainey Good points Colin To stay current is important in anything we do,its critical in life threatening conditions. Because I can nail the much more difficult 3 pointers, I feel extremely confident in performing wheeled landings. Safe flying, like anything else requires the confidence that comes after successfully passing the acid test. Joel ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:20:17 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" To: Orma Robbins , KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <200403081820.AA269353132@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 Dan Diehl did some good articles on turbocharging the VW. I can't remember exactly where I saw them. I think it was in some of the old KR newsletters that are available online. Anyone remember exactly where the articles were? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Orma Robbins" Reply-To: Orma Robbins , KRnet Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:25:20 -0500 >Good evening Net > >With all the hot gas passing lately, it reminded me to ask about turbocharging. My KR started life with a turbo. It was removed before certification due to failure which was my fault. My goal is to create more power. I would like 100 hp and feel that this is only a modest increase to squeeze from my type IV. I need info from any and all turbo'ed KR. Pictures would be nice, and all opinion and discussion is welcomed. Any info with pictures please send off net. I seem to have a couple of turbo's available, both oil cooled. I plan to use a waste gate to control boost pressure. My bird already has a manifold pressure gauge, and oil temp. I have looked at a lot of sand rail web sites and gotten some info. Most of it is not applicable as it relates to an aero engine. I have converted a 2.3 liter car to a turbo intercooled car and love the extra power. Several of the issues that I have considered are: detonation, which can be controlled by use of 100LL and by timing; Compression, which can be reduced with barrel shims; and mixture which can be changed with a different jet. >Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI >19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR >http://www.aviation-mechanics.com > _______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:16:59 -0800 From: "joe" To: , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <002201c40563$74f30000$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <200403081820.AA269353132@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 What gains, useful load; cruise spd etc does turbo give you(also operating altitude) Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "Orma Robbins" ; "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > Dan Diehl did some good articles on turbocharging the VW. I can't remember exactly where I saw them. I think it was in some of the old KR newsletters that are available online. Anyone remember exactly where the articles were? > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Orma Robbins" > Reply-To: Orma Robbins , KRnet > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:25:20 -0500 > > >Good evening Net > > > >With all the hot gas passing lately, it reminded me to ask about turbocharging. My KR started life with a turbo. It was removed before certification due to failure which was my fault. My goal is to create more power. I would like 100 hp and feel that this is only a modest increase to squeeze from my type IV. I need info from any and all turbo'ed KR. Pictures would be nice, and all opinion and discussion is welcomed. Any info with pictures please send off net. I seem to have a couple of turbo's available, both oil cooled. I plan to use a waste gate to control boost pressure. My bird already has a manifold pressure gauge, and oil temp. I have looked at a lot of sand rail web sites and gotten some info. Most of it is not applicable as it relates to an aero engine. I have converted a 2.3 liter car to a turbo intercooled car and love the extra power. Several of the issues that I have considered are: detonation, which can be controlled by use of 100LL and by timing; Compression, which can be reduced with barrel shims; and mixture which can be changed with a different jet. > >Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI > >19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com > > _______________________________________ > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:30:17 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Gatherings - wakeup call Message-ID: <200403081830.AA325976352@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 I second that. I personally see mailing lists as the equivalent of a bunch of people with a common interest getting together over a few beers and having a discussion. Sometimes it gets a little off track and you pick up some good information that you never even realized you would need. Sometimes it gets off track and you don't listen or you hit the delete key and keep reading for something that is important to you. I think that Dana does a very good job at trying to keep his posts either related to the KR or at least of some interest to the people on the list. As always, feel free to flame me off line at brian.kraut@engalt.com. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dean Cooper" Reply-To: KRnet Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:03:12 -0500 >Dana wrote: >> You win, see the rest of you on the flip side. > >Dana, > >I personally appreciate your contributions to the KRnet. I hope you >will continue to participate. I think we can all gain value from >experience, whether it be composite, sheetmetal or othewise. Thanks. > >Dean Cooper >Jacksonville, FL >Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net >See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html > > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:20:42 -0600 From: j stevens To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>brs install pic (for Joe) Message-ID: <404CFFCA.8020800@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 This is the Port Chute and rocket Joel ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:34:44 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Dana Message-ID: <000701c40565$efe7fb10$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <000001c4055e$7dad2360$da64a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Here is my approach for more flap area and more wing area without adding allot of cantilever loads to the spars and wing attachments.[ caused by longer wings]. Add a RAF 54 or 56 or longer cord foil at the Fus tapering to a RAF 48 at the wing Fus Stub End. Mine is a RAF 54. This also eliminates the stair step at the Stub and Fus, cleaning up the flow lines. Tapering wedges of spruce strips are used from the stub ends to the Fus as fillers. The wing stubs flare from the Stub End to the Fus in 2 planes[ width and depth]. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: KR>Dana > I am trying to pin down the final dimensions for my KR. > > Many netters talk of stretching a bit in the fuselage, but I seldom > hear anyone talk about altering the wings. I am looking for a few > more sq. feet (the deeper 18% AS section provides the additional spar > depth). I went surfing to see if anyone is talking about wing area. > In the pictures on Dana's site - his airplane appears to have longer > wings. > > On the other hand, Mike Mim's airplane appears to have substantially > shorter wings. Pictures of the these two aircraft are right by each > other on the yearbook page http://www.krnet.org/krnet_yearbook.htm > sure looks like a big difference. > > Has anyone increased wing area over the 2S > > Has anyone pushed the fuselage width to 46" > > Thanks > Steve > askies@microlink.zm > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:32:52 EST From: Raybeth321@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Building to Plans Message-ID: <1d4.1be32021.2d7e5ca4@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 You are right Larry, If you want to finish faster and better, follow the plans. Speaking from someone who knows. I've learned that lesson the hard way, but I have a tiger by the tail and can't let go. It seems to me, the average builder [ or builder wanting to fly with less time building, buy the plans and every prefab part you can afford to purchase and build it to plans. 12 years and counting Ron, I agree with you. i have been working on my KR2S since Jan. 1994. I have made several changes, which necesitated other changes and I am only about 3/4 way finished. I started out with the goal of finishing mine with $15,000. As it stands right now , I think I can do it on $18,000. Good luck, Ray Goree, Arlimgton, Tx. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:36:20 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>brs install pic (for Joe) Message-ID: <002e01c40566$29afb2c0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <404CFFCA.8020800@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 did.t receive any pic, Joe? ----- Original Message ----- From: "j stevens" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: KR>brs install pic (for Joe) > This is the Port Chute and rocket > Joel > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:38:57 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <001501c40566$86d55ef0$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <200403081820.AA269353132@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Yes he did, check the KR CD. I am using it as a reference for building my Turbo but LN Engineering is the best up the date source. www.LNengineering.com KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "Orma Robbins" ; "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:20 PM Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > Dan Diehl did some good articles on turbocharging the VW. I can't remember exactly where I saw them. I think it was in some of the old KR newsletters that are available online. Anyone remember exactly where the articles were? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:39:27 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>brs install pic (for Joe) Message-ID: <004201c40566$98932640$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <404CFFCA.8020800@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 you can send the pic to my email if it is easier. fegbdf@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "j stevens" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: KR>brs install pic (for Joe) > This is the Port Chute and rocket > Joel > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:51:28 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <002301c40568$479325e0$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <200403081820.AA269353132@mail.engalt.com> <002201c40563$74f30000$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Here is some thoughts. The Advantages of Turbo-Normalizing Normally aspirated engines suffer from reduction of manifold pressure as they climb, which pilots compensate for by pushing in the throttle. At about 7,500 feet the engine runs "out of throttle". As the altitude increases, the manifold pressure decreases and the plane slows. Flying higher becomes more and more inefficient. With a turbo-normaling system providing sea level air pressure for combustion all the way to high altitude, the loss of power and speed is delayed until reaching "the critical altitude". With the my Turbo system, critical altitude is 20,000 feet, or so. Advantageously, the air speed increases as the skin friction of thinner air density decreases. High altitude capability allows the pilot the choice of: a.. Topping the weather b.. Avoiding turbulence c.. Maintaining terrain clearance over mountains d.. Seeking more favorable headwinds e.. Catching tail winds f.. More enjoyable clear air and sunshine g.. Navigation and communications is better --- longer line of sight h.. Obstacle clearance and mountain turbulence, generally 10,000 ft in the East and 16,000 feet in the West. i.. Safety advantage of altitude: 12,500 to 17,500 have least traffic j.. Added safety in an emergency from greater glide time. Area for landing increases as the square of the range At 6,000' glide is about 7 minutes, 12.5 miles At 12,000' glide is about 14 minutes, 25 miles At 18,000' glide is about 21 minutes, 37.5 miles Faster speeds mean less engine time, less avionics time and the probability of less maintenance Faster speeds mean greater range with the same amount of fuel High flight makes available smoother ride, colder air -- less icing risk [ I am also using fuel injection and ECU to manage the timing and pre-detonation problem.] That's my thoughts. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe" To: ; "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > What gains, useful load; cruise spd etc does turbo give you(also operating > altitude) > Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Kraut" > To: "Orma Robbins" ; "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > > > Dan Diehl did some good articles on turbocharging the VW. I can't > remember exactly where I saw them. I think it was in some of the old > KR newsletters that are available online. Anyone remember exactly > where the articles were? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:39:44 -0800 From: "Wayne Israelsen" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Painting Message-ID: <009601c40566$a34f41e0$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Dana I have used this method to paint many cars jeeps tractors ect. One bit of advice, use good quality funace filters on the intake fan and you can use the cheap fiberglass filters on the exhaust. A 20" box fan is all the airflow you need and you can buy filters in the 20" size. Lastly you need the exhaust filters don't be tempted to just leave a hole. the filters cause a little preasure in the booth and catch the overspray going out so you don't have to clean all the neighborhood cars. Thanks Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Dana Overall To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 4:11 AM Subject: Re: KR>Painting > Here's an idea on a paint booth I have seen used. Not really relavent > to the initial question, but all the same. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:06:35 -0800 From: "joe" To: "Ron Eason" , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <005201c4056a$62e58de0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <200403081820.AA269353132@mail.engalt.com><002201c40563$74f30000$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> <002301c40568$479325e0$6501a8c0@Administration> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 I understand the theory and mechanics of turbocharging. What I don't know is if a Turbo KR can or is certified to fly at 17500 or higher(there is always the problem of aircraft limitations). Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: KR>Turbocharging a KR > Here is some thoughts. > The Advantages of Turbo-Normalizing > > > > Normally aspirated engines suffer from reduction of manifold pressure > as they climb, which pilots compensate for by pushing in the throttle. > At about 7,500 feet the engine runs "out of throttle". As the > altitude increases, the manifold pressure decreases and the plane > slows. Flying higher becomes more and more inefficient. > > With a turbo-normaling system providing sea level air pressure for > combustion all the way to high altitude, the loss of power and speed > is delayed until reaching "the critical altitude". With the my Turbo > system, critical altitude is 20,000 feet, or so. Advantageously, the > air speed increases as the skin friction of thinner air density > decreases. High altitude capability allows the pilot the choice of: > > a.. Topping the weather > b.. Avoiding turbulence > c.. Maintaining terrain clearance over mountains > d.. Seeking more favorable headwinds > e.. Catching tail winds > f.. More enjoyable clear air and sunshine > g.. Navigation and communications is better --- longer line of sight > h.. Obstacle clearance and mountain turbulence, generally 10,000 ft > in the > East and 16,000 feet in the West. > i.. Safety advantage of altitude: 12,500 to 17,500 have least traffic > j.. Added safety in an emergency from greater glide time. Area for > landing increases as the square of the range > At 6,000' glide is about 7 minutes, 12.5 miles > > At 12,000' glide is about 14 minutes, 25 miles > > At 18,000' glide is about 21 minutes, 37.5 miles > > > Faster speeds mean less engine time, less avionics time and the probability > of less maintenance > > Faster speeds mean greater range with the same amount of fuel > > High flight makes available smoother ride, colder air -- less icing > risk > > [ I am also using fuel injection and ECU to manage the timing and > pre-detonation problem.] > > That's my thoughts. > > KRron > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe" > To: ; "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > > > What gains, useful load; cruise spd etc does turbo give you(also > operating > > altitude) > > Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Kraut" > > To: "Orma Robbins" ; "KRnet" > > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:20 PM > > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > > > > > > Dan Diehl did some good articles on turbocharging the VW. I can't > > remember exactly where I saw them. I think it was in some of the > > old KR newsletters that are available online. Anyone remember > > exactly where the > > articles were? > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:23:04 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <404D0E68.000001.00612@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> References: <005201c4056a$62e58de0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 I believe there's an OXYGEN requirement above a certain altitude. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 03/08/04 17:05:06 To: Ron Eason; KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR I understand the theory and mechanics of turbocharging. What I don't know is if a Turbo KR can or is certified to fly at 17500 or higher(there is always the problem of aircraft limitations). Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: KR>Turbocharging a KR > Here is some thoughts. > The Advantages of Turbo-Normalizing > > > > Normally aspirated engines suffer from reduction of manifold pressure > as they climb, which pilots compensate for by pushing in the throttle. > At about 7,500 feet the engine runs "out of throttle". As the altitude > increases, the manifold pressure decreases and the plane slows. Flying > higher becomes more and more inefficient. > > With a turbo-normaling system providing sea level air pressure for > combustion all the way to high altitude, the loss of power and speed > is delayed until reaching "the critical altitude". With the my Turbo > system, critical altitude is 20,000 feet, or so. Advantageously, the > air speed increases as the skin friction of thinner air density > decreases. High altitude capability allows the pilot the choice of: > > a.. Topping the weather > b.. Avoiding turbulence > c.. Maintaining terrain clearance over mountains > d.. Seeking more favorable headwinds > e.. Catching tail winds > f.. More enjoyable clear air and sunshine > g.. Navigation and communications is better --- longer line of sight > h.. Obstacle clearance and mountain turbulence, generally 10,000 ft in the > East and 16,000 feet in the West. > i.. Safety advantage of altitude: 12,500 to 17,500 have least traffic > j.. Added safety in an emergency from greater glide time. Area for > landing increases as the square of the range At 6,000' glide is about > 7 minutes, 12.5 miles > > At 12,000' glide is about 14 minutes, 25 miles > > At 18,000' glide is about 21 minutes, 37.5 miles > > > Faster speeds mean less engine time, less avionics time and the probability > of less maintenance > > Faster speeds mean greater range with the same amount of fuel > > High flight makes available smoother ride, colder air -- less icing > risk > > [ I am also using fuel injection and ECU to manage the timing and > pre-detonation problem.] > > That's my thoughts. > > KRron > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe" > To: ; "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > > > What gains, useful load; cruise spd etc does turbo give you(also > operating > > altitude) > > Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Kraut" > > To: "Orma Robbins" ; "KRnet" > > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:20 PM > > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > > > > > > Dan Diehl did some good articles on turbocharging the VW. I can't > > remember exactly where I saw them. I think it was in some of the old > > KR newsletters that are available online. Anyone remember exactly > > where the > > articles were? > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:26:07 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Characteristics and Limits. Message-ID: <005f01c4056d$1da14960$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 18 I am fairly new to KRnet. I have just sold my 250 Commanche and 180. I am in the process of unloading a=20 Emeraude 301(all components together) and a Stits(all metal chassis) all = components less engine. Looking at several together and projects KR s. Have been studying KR plans and several construction projects from a to Z(if there is a Z). Have rented a Hangar and purchased all missing tools. Have discovered a wealth of previous untold information on KRnet and owners.=20 I understand the basic performance characteristics and limitations. What I would like to do is increase gross weight and cruising airspeed and do not mind any increase in fuel consumption. From what I have been able to gather from KRnetters so far is: Purchase a RV. Any help. JoeFrom fegbdf@earthlink.net Mon Mar 08 16:33:24 2004 Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.119]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B0VBU-000Ptz-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:33:24 -0800 Received: from h-67-101-45-254.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net ([67.101.45.254] helo=o7p4e3) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B0V5B-0004an-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:26:54 -0800 Message-ID: <006901c4056d$555933e0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> From: "joe" To: "KRnet" References: <005201c4056a$62e58de0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> <404D0E68.000001.00612@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:27:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I currently fly at that altitud frequently. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 4:23 PM Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > I believe there's an OXYGEN requirement above a certain altitude. > > -------Original Message------- > > From: KRnet > Date: 03/08/04 17:05:06 > To: Ron Eason; KRnet > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > I understand the theory and mechanics of turbocharging. > What I don't know is if a Turbo KR can or is certified to > fly at 17500 or higher(there is always the problem of aircraft > limitations). Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Eason" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:51 PM > Subject: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > > > Here is some thoughts. > > The Advantages of Turbo-Normalizing > > > > > > > > Normally aspirated engines suffer from reduction of manifold > > pressure as they climb, which pilots compensate for by pushing in > > the throttle. At about 7,500 feet the engine runs "out of throttle". > > As the altitude increases, the manifold pressure decreases and the > > plane slows. Flying higher becomes more and more inefficient. > > > > With a turbo-normaling system providing sea level air pressure for > > combustion all the way to high altitude, the loss of power and speed > > is delayed until reaching "the critical altitude". With the my Turbo system, > > critical altitude is 20,000 feet, or so. Advantageously, the air > > speed increases as the skin friction of thinner air density > > decreases. High altitude capability allows the pilot the choice of: > > > > a.. Topping the weather > > b.. Avoiding turbulence > > c.. Maintaining terrain clearance over mountains > > d.. Seeking more favorable headwinds > > e.. Catching tail winds > > f.. More enjoyable clear air and sunshine > > g.. Navigation and communications is better --- longer line of sight > > h.. Obstacle clearance and mountain turbulence, generally 10,000 ft > > in > the > > East and 16,000 feet in the West. > > i.. Safety advantage of altitude: 12,500 to 17,500 have least > > traffic j.. Added safety in an emergency from greater glide time. > > Area for landing increases as the square of the range At 6,000' > > glide is about 7 minutes, 12.5 miles > > > > At 12,000' glide is about 14 minutes, 25 miles > > > > At 18,000' glide is about 21 minutes, 37.5 miles > > > > > > Faster speeds mean less engine time, less avionics time and the > probability > > of less maintenance > > > > Faster speeds mean greater range with the same amount of fuel > > > > High flight makes available smoother ride, colder air -- less icing > > risk > > > > [ I am also using fuel injection and ECU to manage the timing and > > pre-detonation problem.] > > > > That's my thoughts. > > > > KRron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "joe" > > To: ; "KRnet" > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:16 PM > > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > > > > > > What gains, useful load; cruise spd etc does turbo give you(also > > operating > > > altitude) > > > Joe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brian Kraut" > > > To: "Orma Robbins" ; "KRnet" > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > > > > > > > > > Dan Diehl did some good articles on turbocharging the VW. I > > > > can't > > > remember exactly where I saw them. I think it was in some of the > > > old KR > > > newsletters that are available online. Anyone remember exactly > > > where > the > > > articles were? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:35:32 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR>Saved my life Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040308163304.02844dc8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 19 The Kr is a great plane, but I have a problem with the "regular shop tools" bit. If you can't buy the various metal parts (control horns, etc.) off the shelf, it can't be built with only RSTs. >If it even gets one KR to a fly-in where 200 people can have a look at >what you can build with a set of plans and regular shop tools, then it was >worth my time. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 334, Issue 3 ************************************* ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================