From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 341, Issue 3 Date: 3/15/2004 8:54:21 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. area 51 composite KR (Dene Collett (SA)) 2. Re: area 51 composite KR (cartera) 3. Re: area 51 composite KR (Mark Langford) 4. Re: area 51 composite KR (Mark Langford) 5. area 51 composite KR (Larry A Capps) 6. Re: operating lean of peak (Steve and Lori McGee) 7. Don Betcham (BSHADR) 8. Re: area 51 composite KR (Mark Langford) 9. Re: area 51 composite KR (Mark Langford) 10. Transponder (Timothy Bellville) 11. Elevator Trim Tab (Mark Jones) 12. RE: Transponder (Brian Kraut) 13. Re: Re: KR>Incidence 14. Re: Transponder (larry severson) 15. Transponder (larry flesner) 16. Don Betcham (larry flesner) 17. Elevator Trim Tab (Mark Jones) 18. Re: Don Betcham (Mark Langford) 19. Incidence (Larry A Capps) 20. Re: Frozen Carby (Ray Fuenzalida) 21. Where are they? (Mark Jones) 22. Re: Transponder (Orma Robbins) 23. Re: Elevator Trim Tab (Orma Robbins) 24. Re: Transponder (Tony Wright) 25. Re: Elevator Trim Tab (Mark Jones) 26. Re: wakeup call / KR design ? Can't build because no design (Ray Fuenzalida) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:21:49 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" To: "krnet" Subject: KR>area 51 composite KR Message-ID: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Hi gang I was taking a look at the pics of the composite KR featured on Mark L's site at the 1997 gathering. Does anyone know what happened to this plane? It would mean a lot to me if someone had access to it to take some detailed pics of the retract gear. I will be using a similar system in my plane and have some concerns that might be sorted out by a few good pics. Anyone? Mark in one of the pics of your plane taken from behind with the rear deck removed, it looks like you have an antennae or something resembling one standing vertically behind and just to the right of centre??? Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:09:03 -0700 From: cartera To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>area 51 composite KR Message-ID: <4056297F.7000304@cuug.ab.ca> In-Reply-To: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Dene, Take a look at my web site and you will see what I did with my retract. It's still flying today with no problems! Adrian Dene Collett (SA) wrote: > Hi gang > I was taking a look at the pics of the composite KR featured on Mark > L's site at the 1997 gathering. Does anyone know what happened to this > plane? It would mean a lot to me if someone had access to it to take > some detailed pics of the retract gear. I will be using a similar > system in my plane and have some concerns that might be sorted out by > a few good pics. Anyone? Mark in one of the pics of your plane taken > from behind with the rear deck removed, it looks like you have an > antennae or something resembling one standing vertically behind and > just to the right of centre??? Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder > Port Elizabeth > South Africa > mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net > P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:04:22 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>area 51 composite KR Message-ID: <007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Dene Collett wrote: > Mark in one of the pics of your plane taken from behind with the rear > deck removed, it looks like you have an antennae or something > resembling one standing vertically behind and just to the right of > centre??? That's the ELT antenna. I don't know that anything's been done with the Area 51 KR, but calling the airport manager at Pine Bluff airport would get you Don Bethan, or just look him up at MSN's "white pages" for Pine Bluff, AR and call him at home. Don probably knows what happened to it, if anything... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:08:50 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>area 51 composite KR Message-ID: <008701c40ae2$7da97240$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> <007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Correction there, it's Don Betchan, not Bethan. Last I heard he had no email address. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:02:30 -0600 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: KR>area 51 composite KR Message-ID: <000301c40ae9$fa681780$0700a8c0@schpankme> In-Reply-To: <008701c40ae2$7da97240$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Hi Mark, As a note Don Betchan was at the Perry, OK Larry A Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 5:09 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>area 51 composite KR Correction there, it's Don Betchan, not Bethan. Last I heard he had no email address. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:16:19 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>operating lean of peak Message-ID: <004401c40af4$497970d0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Sounds like old Charles Lindbergh technology to me. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: KR>operating lean of peak > Sometime back, Dana Overall posted a link to the KRNet, a technical > paper about GAMIjectors and operating lean of peak (for operation of > the 550 in his his Bonanza). I was reading an article in AOPA Pilot > about engine operation LOP and as Dana had mentioned, it's not too > practical to do this with a carbureted engine due to the variation in > mixture delivered to each cylinder. Attempting to lean past the peak > usually results in unacceptably > rough running. > > So the article gave a tip to try on carbureted engines: apply carb > heat in conjunction with the leaning operation and see if you can find > a combination > that works. Apparently this has been used on Twin Beeches (among > others) with good results. > > Now why would you want to go to all this effort to run lean in the > first place? Using carb heat results in a drop in RPM (and power), > right? Well, > it turns out that the engine likes to run LOP, as the graphs of EGT, > CHT, and specific fuel consumption indicate. All of those values drop > off as you > go LOP. For those out there who want to maximize performance at > cruise, running LOP is worth experimenting with. Someone here > mentioned Klaus Savier and his Lightspeed ignition recently, and it > should be noted that Klaus is one who has made lots of forays into the > world of maximized performance... which is how his ignition was > developed (performance runs and > racing). Running LOP requires looking at things in a new and > different way. > > Which is how Dana operates anyway... but that's another story ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar - includes FREE pop-up > blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:29:27 -0800 From: "BSHADR" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Don Betcham Message-ID: <001701c40af6$1f6f0aa0$6501a8c0@RMSDELL> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> <007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 < > That's the ELT antenna. I don't know that anything's been done with > the Area 51 KR, but calling the airport manager at Pine Bluff airport > would get > you Don Bethan, or just look him up at MSN's "white pages" for Pine > Bluff, AR and call him at home. Don probably knows what happened to > it, if anything...>> I respectfully submit, I believe Don Betcham was the past airport manager at Perry, OK. That is where the Area 51 term originated (in reference to KRNet anyway). He was in the phone book back then. He hosted the Gathering twice there. If you can get a closer look at a Lancair 200-235 series, you'll see almost a duplicate version of the Area 51 gear design...or is it the other way around? The wing bottom to runway distance is about the same as the original KR retract design. Can you say "float" on landing? Cheers, Randy Stein South Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:02:49 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>area 51 composite KR Message-ID: <002601c40afa$dbe3aed0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000301c40ae9$fa681780$0700a8c0@schpankme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 DAMN! I hate it when I'm wrong... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: KR>area 51 composite KR > Hi Mark, > > As a note Don Betchan was at the Perry, OK > > Larry A Capps > Naperville, IL > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Mark Langford > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 5:09 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR>area 51 composite KR > > > Correction there, it's Don Betchan, not Bethan. Last I heard he had > no email address. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:07:34 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>area 51 composite KR Message-ID: <003c01c40afb$72b59b70$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000301c40ae9$fa681780$0700a8c0@schpankme> <002601c40afa$dbe3aed0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Whups again! I guess I didn't notice that one had KRnet on the return address as well as Larry Capps. I think I'll go have a beer, and Larry, don't do that again... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:11:56 -0500 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Transponder Message-ID: <004801c40afc$0f628e10$992d4b0c@HPHome> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179><007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement> <001701c40af6$1f6f0aa0$6501a8c0@RMSDELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Can anyone tell me if I need a transponder in my KR2 due to the fact that it has a battery ignition and some elec. instruments and strobe? Thanks Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:28:01 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Elevator Trim Tab Message-ID: <000c01c40b06$b00f0460$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 have added a new section to my web page showing my elevator trim tab = installation so far. What is shown has been done in the last two days. = Here is the link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/TrimTab.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:53:47 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Transponder Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c40afc$0f628e10$992d4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Depends on where you want to fly. Where you need a transponder is defined by FAR 91.215. You can look it up online so I won't repeat it here, but the basic gist of it is over 10,000' MSL excluding airspace at and below 2,500' MSL, and within other airspace as designated in the reg that is too much to type here. As a practical matter, depending on where you live and where you are based you can likely be fine without a transponder. I live in Jacksonville and have flown to Gulfport, MS without having to bother with restrictions, if I wanted to go as far as New Orleans a transponder would be a concern. Other than that, Orlando and Atlanta are the other areas in my range where I would need a transonder. I could land at Jacksonville International without a transponder with no problem though. You can get a waiver to fly into airspace and land without a transponder. The first time I did this I flew into Sanford within the Orlando Mode C area to visit Colin Rainey. I simply called Orlando approach on the phone, gave them my information and expected time, and they gave me an authorization number that was good all day, simple and pain free. Aside from the fact that you may not need the transponder it is nice to have. On my XC to Gulfport and back I tried to get flight following. With very few exceptions, most centers would not give it to me when I told them I had a transponder. Several of them said it was not possible because they could not see me on radar and some said they could see me, but would not give it to me without the transponder(probably depends on controller workload and laziness). I tried to do a touch and go at Daytona Beach once without a transponder when they were very busy and they said no. On another occasion they let me do it, but told me to get the transponder working before I came back. For some reason they had a problem with the touch and go, but said a full stop would have been fine. Go figure. One other thing to consider is that a KR does not show up very good on radar, or at all on TCAS, without a transponder. That thought crossed my mind plenty of time cruising along 2,000' over the clouds at 9,000'. I have seen jets pass under me and have heard controllers tell jets in my area that there is traffic at "altitude unknown" at their 1:00 position and 5 miles knowing it was me. Those are the times that you wish you had a transponder. Also, if you get a transponder you will need an altitude encoder. I don't know of any situation where you are required to, or would want to, have a transponder, but not Mode C. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Timothy Bellville Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:12 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR>Transponder Can anyone tell me if I need a transponder in my KR2 due to the fact that it has a battery ignition and some elec. instruments and strobe? Thanks Tim _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 3:31:46 +0000 From: To: KRnet Subject: Re: Re: KR>Incidence Message-ID: <200403160331.i2G3Vk0X084657@mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Tag! Your it Mark. When get the data please let us know. See you at Sun-n-fun Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama Mark wrote "the > > longeron is more representative of how the plane itself will be > > flying, rather than the firewall. > > until somebody > > figures out what angle the fuselage is optimally supposed to fly at > > anyway..." > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:18:41 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Transponder Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040315181724.0280b130@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <004801c40afc$0f628e10$992d4b0c@HPHome> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> <007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement> <001701c40af6$1f6f0aa0$6501a8c0@RMSDELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 >Can anyone tell me if I need a transponder in my KR2 due to the fact >that it has a battery ignition and some elec. instruments and strobe? Yes! If you have an electrical system, you need a transponder. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:37:07 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Transponder Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040315213707.008678e0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <004801c40afc$0f628e10$992d4b0c@HPHome> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> <007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement> <001701c40af6$1f6f0aa0$6501a8c0@RMSDELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 >Can anyone tell me if I need a transponder in my KR2 due to the fact >that it has a battery ignition and some elec. instruments and strobe? >Tim +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The fact that your KR has an electrical system does not mandate that you have a transponder. You only need a transponder if you fly your KR into AIRSPACE that requires a transponder. Does that make sense? If not, give us more info and your reason for asking? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:37:53 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Don Betcham Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040315213753.007da210@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <001701c40af6$1f6f0aa0$6501a8c0@RMSDELL> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> <007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 >I respectfully submit, I believe Don Betcham was the past airport >manager at Perry, OK. That is where the Area 51 term originated (in >reference to KRNet anyway). He was in the phone book back then. Randy >Stein ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I suspect that if one would go to "airnav.com" and do a search for the Perry, Ok airport you would get the phone number for the FBO and could call and get the info you wanted. Or go to Landings.com and do a search for Don Betcham in the pilot data base and see what his address is. Then do a net search for his name and city and get a phone number. Or would all that be too "Area 51" like. :-) The last info I had was that Don gave up the airport managers position and was running an oil well maintenance route. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:29:11 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Elevator Trim Tab Message-ID: <005601c40afe$77cfe220$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 I have added a new section to my web page showing my elevator trim tab = installation so far. What is shown has been done in the last two days. = Here is the link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/TrimTab.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:00:34 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Don Betcham Message-ID: <008501c40b0b$3bdcac00$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> <007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement> <3.0.6.32.20040315213753.007da210@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 One thing I know for sure about Don Betchan is his name is BetchaN, not BetchaM, although I used to make that same mistake, and it probably shows up wrong on my web site somewhere. I wonder if he's a member of the "Funny Name Club of America"? And he's definitely at Perry, Oklahoma. It's all slowly coming back to me now. It must have been the primer and thinner fumes. I paint my Scirocco tomorrow night at the tech school (same color as the bottom of my plane is, as this is ostensibly to get some painting practice in) and I've been working around a lot of chemicals... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: KR>Don Betcham > >I respectfully submit, I believe Don Betcham was the past airport > >manager at > >Perry, OK. That is where the Area 51 term originated (in reference > >to KRNet > >anyway). He was in the phone book back then. > >Randy Stein > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I suspect that if one would go to "airnav.com" and do a search for the > Perry, Ok airport you would get the phone number for the FBO and could > call and get the info you wanted. Or go to Landings.com and do a > search for Don Betcham in the pilot data base and see what his address > is. Then do a net search for his name and city and get a phone > number. Or would all that be too "Area 51" like. :-) > > The last info I had was that Don gave up the airport managers position > and was running an oil well maintenance route. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:05:09 -0600 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: KR>Incidence Message-ID: <000a01c40b0b$dff99c80$0700a8c0@schpankme> In-Reply-To: <200403160331.i2G3Vk0X084657@mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 OUTBOARD WING ASSEMBLY 10.21 (Page 78, KR-2 Manual) Secure the plane (in the upright position) with solid footings and shim until level. Level is measured as 0" incidence for the top longerons or 90" incidence for the firewall. NOTE: Due to the top longerons bowing out the angle measured along the longerons may vary slightly. The longeron will dip slightly down towards the cockpit area and back up towards the tail. Thus, the best location to check for 0" incidence is at the firewall! NOTE: do not set the plane on its tires when leveling since they may loose a little air or displacement of the spring bar could disrupt the fuselage positioning. Block the fuselage itself solidly into position. - Larry A Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- When get the data please let us know. "the longeron is more representative of how the plane itself will be flying, rather than the firewall. until somebody figures out what angle the fuselage is optimally supposed to fly at ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:04:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Frozen Carby Message-ID: <20040316040432.92683.qmail@web42001.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c408d6$922442d0$6764a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 20 Excellent article. Stuff I, at least, need to learn. --- Stephen Jacobs wrote: > > Further to our recent discussion - particularly for > those with converted > car engines, a comprehensive and useful article on > carb ice: > > (http://www.experimental-aviation.com/carb_ice.html > > The magazine appears to be Ok as well > > Steve J > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:06:18 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Where are they? Message-ID: <002601c40b0c$08c72b00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 21 I just finished going through one of my KR Newsletter binders which = began with issue 200 to the last printed issue number 287. I looked at = the cover page of every one and virtually every newsletter had a = different builder featured on the cover page. Many of those were flying = KR's. Where are they? What happened to all these people. Names once = commonly heard and now seldom heard. Why are they not flying these = planes to the gatherings. Looking through all those newsletters makes = one think the skies would be full of KR's by. I sure wish they = were....... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:06:40 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Transponder Message-ID: <002601c40b0c$16644680$422ed445@ROBBINS1> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179><007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement><001701c40af6$1f6f0aa0$6501a8c0@RMSDELL> <004801c40afc$0f628e10$992d4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 22 "if I need a transponder" Hi Tim I think at your location you will have a hard time without both the transponder and the encoder. I think that Metcalf is under the vail of Detroit Metro(That magic 30 mile circle) Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:13:07 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Elevator Trim Tab Message-ID: <002901c40b0c$fd86f5d0$422ed445@ROBBINS1> References: <005601c40afe$77cfe220$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 23 "my elevator trim tab installation " Mark that looks really good. The servo looks a lot like the RC servo that I used for both my elevator and rudder trim. One of my servo's failed last year after 18 years of service. I could not find a copy or similar servo and was forced to modify a Ford servo for my rudder. Please tell me more about the servo that I saw on your web page. Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:23:34 -0500 From: "Tony Wright" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Transponder Message-ID: <000c01c40afd$afe54b60$bcd379a5@tonysnotebook> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179><007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement><001701c40af6$1f6f0aa0$6501a8c0@RMSDELL> <004801c40afc$0f628e10$992d4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 24 Transponder is only needed when: 1- flying in Class A airspace- defined as above 18,000 feet 2- Class B airspace, and within the 30 mile mode C veil 3- Class C airspace and above to 10,000' Transponder must be certified every 24 months. Tony Wright ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: KR>Transponder > Can anyone tell me if I need a transponder in my KR2 due to the fact > that it > has a battery ignition and some elec. instruments and strobe? Thanks > Tim > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:21:23 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "Orma Robbins" , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Elevator Trim Tab Message-ID: <003c01c40b0e$246eb7e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <005601c40afe$77cfe220$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <002901c40b0c$fd86f5d0$422ed445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 25 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma Robbins" Please tell me more > about the servo that I saw on your web page. Orma, Here is the web site for the RAC servos. http://www.rayallencompany.com/ Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:53:35 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>wakeup call / KR design ? Can't build because no design Message-ID: <20040316045335.35720.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <404BDDB5.000001.03672@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 26 Excellent pics. I had already decided on a locking mechanism for the canopy similar to what you have on yours. I will be that far along - not soon. But will start working more diligently. --- Dan Heath wrote: > What excuse will you come up with next. Funny how > this set of "no plans" > plans has gotten so many KRs in the air. The plans > aren't perfect, but with > them, and now the Net, anybody can do it if they are > a "can Do" kind of > person. > > I call this one "EAT YOUR HEART OUT" > > Click on any pic for a clickable slide show. > > http://kr-builder.org/FinishWork/FullPrimer/Thumbnails.html > > > > > Sanding and lovin it. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on > the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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