From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 342, Issue 1 Date: 3/16/2004 4:26:08 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Aileron deflection (Rich Meyer) 2. Transponder (Colin & Bev Rainey) 3. Re: Octanes (JW) 4. Re: KR Boat Construction (JW) 5. Re: Don Betcham (Richard Green) 6. Re: Ellison TBI (Ross Youngblood) 7. Re: Aileron deflection/spacer (Ross Youngblood) 8. Re: Aileron deflection/spacer (Ross Youngblood) 9. Re: Clorox - NO for mold. (AWESOME POST!) (Ross Youngblood) 10. Re: Aileron deflection (Ross Youngblood) 11. Re: Transponder (Ross Youngblood) 12. Re: Transponder (Timothy Bellville) 13. Re: Where are they? (Dan Heath) 14. Re: Elevator Trim Tab (Dan Heath) 15. Re: operating lean of peak (Dana Overall) 16. Wiring (Dana Overall) 17. Re: Elevator Trim Tab (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:06:21 -0500 From: "Rich Meyer" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Aileron deflection Message-ID: <000001c40b14$6f1b5450$8a89d141@ownerwam9o2stk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040315084206.00866d90@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 I've seen some planes where "neutral aileron" actually was both ailerons sagging almost an inch -- when the plane was at rest. Then I was told that at speed, both came up to level with the aerodynamic forces -- a bit of give in the system, I guess. Makes me wonder how many planes carefully rigged for straight ailerons at neutral on the ramp actually fly level with both ailerons up a bit. Can anyone swivel their head fast enough to check both at once to see? Rich Meyer cptcsd@npcc.net -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of larry flesner Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:42 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR>Aileron deflection >It seems that my bellcranks may have been made alittle shy of the >required deflection. It seems that the right wing moves down acceptably, but does not move up to the correct angle of deflection. >Colin ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Colin, Before you start to redrill bellcranks I'd suggest you try the following. Start by getting the stick and bellcranks set to the neutral position and the cable tension adjusted. The stick neutral position is easy to locate. The neutral position on the bellcranks can best be found by having the "crossover" cable and the cable from the stick intersect at a 90 degree angle at the bellcrank. It's been a while but I think that's how it worked out. Look at the airplane or a picture and you'll see what I'm talking about. Secure the stick in the neutral position. Now clamp the trail edge of the aileron to neutral and install/adjust the pushrod. Don't be surprised if the two pushrods require a different length. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:10:11 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Transponder Message-ID: <001601c40b14$f58608f0$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 Tim Transponder and Mode C encoder are airspace requirements not equipment = requirements. Unless you like getting a special flight permit every time = you want to fly into bravo airspace, or Charlie airspace, you need and = altitude encoding transponder. FAR 91.215 states all Class A, B & C = areas must have a Mode C encoding transponder to operate in those areas. = This should answer your questions. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom crainey1@cfl.rr.com Mon Mar 15 21:32:22 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.132] helo=ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1B37Be-0005sF-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:32:22 -0800 Received: from RaineyDay (153.239.8.67.cfl.rr.com [67.8.239.153]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i2G5Ou84026930 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:24:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008601c40b17$4d171c10$99ef0843@RaineyDay> From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:26:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Octanes X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Mark & netters Correct me if I am wrong about aviation carbs, but the range of = adjustment has to be set initially, and then is pilot adjustable from = there. Also base jetting would have to be correct for total possible = richness, true? Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom askies@microlink.zm Tue Mar 16 00:39:47 2004 Received: from mail.microlink.zm ([193.220.20.35]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B3A6m-0007Nk-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:39:34 -0800 Received: from homedesktop (accessrv.microlink.zm [193.220.20.66] (may be forged)) by mail.microlink.zm (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i2G85YX18786 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:05:35 GMT From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:34:33 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c40b31$85cb4210$1764a8c0@homedesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <002601c40afa$dbe3aed0$1202a8c0@basement> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: KR>KR Boat Construction X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Good day all My mission today is all about avoiding the bow in the top stringer of the boat - especially when the fuselage is being substantially widened (and the wide section moved aft). a) I have noted the technique of deliberately building the sides with a known opposite bow - thus resulting in a straight top stringer after the sides are pulled into the boat shape. Sounds great but complicated for me as I would have to establish my own offset bow. b) Riley Collins pointed out that some KR's were constructed with vertical (or near vertical) sides, thus eliminating the problem. Is this a popular approach? It does not distract from the appearance - maybe increases the frontal area a bit - but certainly easier to build - Sounds like my style. c) I was impressed with the technique used by Eduardo in Argentina - he starts construction by building the top longerons into a horizontal crutch flat on the bench. The balance of the boat (lower fuselage) is then constructed (inverted) by adding formers and more stringers. The positive is that the formers can be rounded, giving a pleasing shape to the boat - also we have a nice straight datum line for all future measurements, incidence, thrust line, etc. He completes the boat using urethane foam fill between the woodwork with an epoxy /cloth skin inside and out - a meaningful cost reduction with no plywood, NO scarf joints. This would be the way for me, except that I am not convinced that this structure is equally strong - the only stringers that are continuous runs from the firewall to the stern post are the top stringers - all the others run in sections between the fuselage formers (presumably to keep the inside flush for glassing). I can see that an epoxy /glass skin is an acceptable alternative for the plywood skin, but what is carrying the load that would normally be transmitted by the two lower longerons on a standard KR boat? I would have preferred at least the keel to be continuous (and a bit wider). I initially thought that Eduardo had pioneered this technique (on a KR), but I have since seen pictures (97 or 98 KR gathering) that Dr. Dean Collette was using exactly the same approach. Is Dr Collet still around? - how far is this bird now? My interest here is to establish if anyone has run the numbers on this fuselage structure - is it OK? Steve Askies"at"microlink.zm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:57:30 -0600 From: "JW" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Octanes Message-ID: <001901c40b23$f3ab30a0$8ade1818@computer> References: <008601c40b17$4d171c10$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Please correct me if im wrong but octane is the rating which dictates the flash point, at what temprature the fuel will explode... early and late. Adjusting the mixture can only offer a limited amount of cover-up for this. For different octanes the timing will need to be different. So if im right the timing is what needs to be changed with the octane. New cars have "ping-sensors" which retards the timing if it suspects pinging. For example: if you use a higher that whats tuned for octane your firing will be late, thus giving less power, so if you were to advance the timing in this situation you would get more power and vise vera with different grades of gas. Justin KR2S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:26 PM Subject: KR>Octanes Mark & netters Correct me if I am wrong about aviation carbs, but the range of adjustment has to be set initially, and then is pilot adjustable from there. Also base jetting would have to be correct for total possible richness, true? Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html______________________________________ _ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:18:53 -0600 From: "JW" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>KR Boat Construction Message-ID: <001f01c40b26$f0216640$8ade1818@computer> References: <002201c40b31$85cb4210$1764a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 The orginal design has been around for years and years and still going strong. There was two KR2S's in my hanger, one slighty ahead of the other. One had the plywood skins on the 2 flat sides and the other didnt yet. When it came time to join the 2 sides, the plywood creaked and fought very hard to jump out of the jig. By looking at the plywood it seems to be under alot of stress and on the virge of snapping. My boat on the other hand does not have the plywood skins for that reason. When I joined my two sides together they went with very little force. As for putting on the plywood, I have another kr2S side sheeted with homedepot plywood which I will clamp over the side to sandwhich the plywood. Others have used staples but the idea of putting tons of little holes in my structure doesnt seem ideal. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:34 AM Subject: KR>KR Boat Construction > Good day all > > My mission today is all about avoiding the bow in the top stringer of > the boat - especially when the fuselage is being substantially widened > (and the wide section moved aft). > > a) I have noted the technique of deliberately building the sides with > a known opposite bow - thus resulting in a straight top stringer after > the sides are pulled into the boat shape. Sounds great but > complicated for me as I would have to establish my own offset bow. > > b) Riley Collins pointed out that some KR's were constructed with > vertical (or near vertical) sides, thus eliminating the problem. Is > this a popular approach? It does not distract from the appearance - > maybe increases the frontal area a bit - but certainly easier to build > - Sounds like my style. > > c) I was impressed with the technique used by Eduardo in Argentina - > he starts construction by building the top longerons into a horizontal > crutch flat on the bench. The balance of the boat (lower fuselage) is > then constructed (inverted) by adding formers and more stringers. The > positive is that the formers can be rounded, giving a pleasing shape > to the boat - also we have a nice straight datum line for all future > measurements, incidence, thrust line, etc. He completes the boat > using urethane foam fill between the woodwork with an epoxy /cloth > skin inside and out - a meaningful cost reduction with no plywood, NO > scarf joints. This would be the way for me, except that I am not > convinced that this structure is equally strong - the only stringers > that are continuous runs from the firewall to the stern post are the > top stringers - all the others run in sections between the fuselage > formers (presumably to keep the inside flush for glassing). I can see > that an epoxy /glass skin is an acceptable alternative for the plywood > skin, but what is carrying the load that would normally be transmitted > by the two lower longerons on a standard KR boat? I would have > preferred at least the keel to be continuous (and a bit wider). > > I initially thought that Eduardo had pioneered this technique (on a > KR), but I have since seen pictures (97 or 98 KR gathering) that Dr. > Dean Collette was using exactly the same approach. Is Dr Collet still > around? - how far is this bird now? My interest here is to establish > if anyone has run the numbers on this fuselage structure - is it OK? > > Steve > Askies"at"microlink.zm > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:22:54 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Green To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Don Betcham Message-ID: <20040316092254.55453.qmail@web80710.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <008501c40b0b$3bdcac00$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 Anywho says: Betchan, Don PERRY, OK 73077 Phone 580-336-5954 Mark Langford wrote: One thing I know for sure about Don Betchan is his name is BetchaN, not BetchaM, although I used to make that same mistake, and it probably shows up wrong on my web site somewhere. I wonder if he's a member of the "Funny Name Club of America"? And he's definitely at Perry, Oklahoma. It's all slowly coming back to me now. It must have been the primer and thinner fumes. I paint my Scirocco tomorrow night at the tech school (same color as the bottom of my plane is, as this is ostensibly to get some painting practice in) and I've been working around a lot of chemicals... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: KR>Don Betcham > >I respectfully submit, I believe Don Betcham was the past airport > >manager at > >Perry, OK. That is where the Area 51 term originated (in reference to KRNet > >anyway). He was in the phone book back then. > >Randy Stein > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I suspect that if one would go to "airnav.com" and do a search for the > Perry, Ok airport you would get the phone number for the FBO and could > call and get the info you wanted. Or go to Landings.com and do a > search for Don Betcham in the pilot data base and see what his address > is. Then do a net search for his name and city and get a phone number. > Or would all that be too "Area 51" like. :-) > > The last info I had was that Don gave up the airport managers position > and was running an oil well maintenance route. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.htmlFrom rossy65@operamail.com Tue Mar 16 01:34:04 2004 Received: from pop5-1.us4.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.125]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B3AxY-00082b-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:34:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 32404 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2004 09:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO youngblood-host) (rossy65:operamail.com?operamail.com@199.107.166.206) by pop5-1.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2004 09:26:41 -0000 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Aileron deflection References: <001401c40879$d05e9120$99ef0843@RaineyDay> <001a01c4090f$169772c0$6601a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> Message-ID: From: Ross Youngblood Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:26:40 -0800 In-Reply-To: <001a01c4090f$169772c0$6601a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> User-Agent: Opera7.23/Win32 M2 build 3227 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I too discovered this binding. Washer worked for me as well. On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:23:03 -0500, cgardn628 wrote: > Colin, > You may also find that adding a washer ( 3/16 flat) between the rod > end > and > the aileron control arm will help get the required deflection. > I know because I re-discover this each time I re-install the wings each > season . Without the washer, the rod end will bind on the arm at the end > of > it's travel each way. > My aileron geometry is exactly to plans in this area so I'm sure many of > us > has experienced this binding. > > Regards > > Chris Gardiner > KR2S > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:34 PM > Subject: KR>Aileron deflection > > > Ok gang, searched the archives back for 6 years and did not find a > post about the degrees of deflection that should be able to be made at > the aileron once it is hooked up to the bellcrank. I have an angle > gauge that I can use to check both sides and make sure that the design > amount of deflection is being achieved. It seems very shallow right > now, and there are 2 holes for mounting the bellcrank rod, so I would > like to be able to check them. Can someone with a plans built tell me > what the plans call for > in angle of deflection, or inches of movement above the trailing edge and > then below, so that I can check my aileron geometry please. I have not > been > able to address this previously because this is the first time she has > had > her wings on to stay. The reason I ask is that when disconnected there > is > ALOT more motion available for both the ailerons and the stick. > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html_______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:30:28 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Ellison TBI Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004f01c4098f$3008e880$4f02a8c0@don> References: <004f01c4098f$3008e880$4f02a8c0@don> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I also have an EFS2... I burned auto gas when I was doing some static ground tests, and fuel flow tests.... then the plane sat for about 18months... when I went to start it again, It was fuel starved. The first time, I called Ellison, and they suggested easing compressed air to unstick the diaphram, that worked. A year later, it stuck again... (again using autogas). I had the carb sent to Ellison for refurb/cleaning, and I only burn AV gas now. Don't want fuel starvation on takeoff. -- Ross On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:40:05 -0600, Don Sprague wrote: > I have an EFS2 Ellison on my 1835cc GPVW. I know that Ben Ellison > insists on the use of AVGAS but has anyone tried using auto gas in it? > His reason is that auto gas additives will affect the gaskets. > > I've got about 25 hours on my bird now and did my first "cross > country" > roundrobin today, about 1 hour and 20 minutes and skirting a > thunderstorm cell off the beach in Galveston. What a hoot! I'm > beginning to get some confidence in the engine which hasn't stopped > since I extended the headertank vent 6 inches. This was really fun! > > I really enjoyed the accounts of your flights, Larry. It gave me the > incentive to continue on til the problem was solved. > > Thanks, > > Don Sprague > KR2 N118DS > Houston, Texas > Don Sprague > KR2 N118DS > Houston, Texas_______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:31:17 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Aileron deflection/spacer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040314.075823.-406823.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> References: <20040314.075823.-406823.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 7 If the bearing comes loose from the rod end, the hole is larger than the castle nut and normal washer. Hence the request for a A970/aka Wood washer. -- Ross On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:58:22 -0500, Joseph H Horton wrote: > > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:36:07 -0600 larry flesner > writes: >> >You may also find that adding a washer ( 3/16 flat) between the rod >> end and >> >the aileron control arm will help get the required deflection. >> Without the washer, the rod end will bind on the arm at the end of >> >it's travel each way. >> >Chris Gardiner >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> Also, make sure you use a "wood washer" over the outside of the rod >> end bearing on each end. If the bearing comes loose from the rod >> end, the rod won't drop completely off. >> >> Larry Flesner > I also fond in my initial fit up of the linkage that spacers were > going to be needed. Although I wasn't surprised as I had modified the > bell crank to fit neatly in the new airfoil. I'm using 3/16" alum tube > cut to length as spacers. Larry - Sorry, but I don't follow the > thought. I'm using fiberlock castle nuts with cotter pins on the > rotating bolts. ( belt and suspenders in my thoughts) Isn't that OK.? > Joe Horton > Coopersburg, Pa. > joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:32:54 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Aileron deflection/spacer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004401c409d6$3e248a90$2502a8c0@800Athlon> References: <3.0.6.32.20040314082110.0086a100@pop.midwest.net> <004401c409d6$3e248a90$2502a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Got my taildragger endorsement in a champ... also got my first airplane scar hand propping one for my Instructor. (The thing bit me when it kicked back...) On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:08:43 -0600, Mark Langford wrote: > Larry Flesner wrote: > >> As for the tubing for a spacer, just make sure it's heavy enough wall >> thickness that you can snug down the rod end bearing without crushing >> the tubing. Use you best judgement. > > Over the years, I've ended up with thickwall aluminum tubing for just > about > every size bolt. Just find the thickest wall tubing in the Wicks (or > AS&S, > if you must) catalog that has a few thousands clearance for your bolt > (inside diameter). I buy a foot or two so I always have some on hand. > > I got an hour of Champ taildragger time in yesterday, and the thing > practically landed itself. Flying and keeping the ball centered was > an entirely different matter though! I've befriended a local CFI who > owns four taildraggers by making him a fiberglass nosebowl for one of > his two Swifts. > It was easy (I borrowed a mold), but it's like Dana said, I now have a > friend for life. He's going to get me tailwheel endorsed and my BFR, and > I'll be ready for some KR time. I've got news though, the KRs I've flown > (about 6 of them) fly a whole lot easier than this Champ! If the weather > holds up, I' should get in another 7 or 8 landings today... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:35:10 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Clorox - NO for mold. (AWESOME POST!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c40a1a$50b23420$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <031420041843.10846.72fb@comcast.net> <4054DF35.000003.02228@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> <002901c40a1a$50b23420$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 9 That is a KRNET awesome post! Learned somthing tonight! On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:16:00 -0600, Steve and Lori McGee wrote: > FYI that bleach does not kill all mold. In fact does a poor job. It > will > clean it up and look nice, but then you should go at it with good old > Lysol. > It is the PHENOL in the lysol that kills the mold and fungus. In fact > in a > data sheet I saw about 10 years back there had yet to be discovered > anything > that Phenol did not kill. You should not even worry about getting a > stronger solution of phenol than what is already in lysol to do the > job. It > is plenty strong enuf. In fact there are cleaners out there now that are > bleach and Lysol mixed. Though I do not know the level of phenol in this > solution. Just something I learned back in my taxidermy days. > > Steve McGee > Endeavor Wi. USA > Building a KR2S widened. > lmcgee@maqs.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gleone" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Clorox on old wood > > >> It shouldn't hurt the epoxy but it will bleach the wood. I've used >> it >> on >> full military rifle stocks soaked in cosmoline. On the stocks, it took >> hours of sanding to get the color to show again but it didn't hurt the > wood. >> Only took out the cosmoline and the color. >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: KRnet >> Date: 03/14/04 11:43:29 >> To: krnet@mylist.net >> Subject: KR>Clorox on old wood >> >> I checked the archives on this but couldn't get a definitive answer >> to >> the >> use of Clorox on plywood. >> >> I have 20 year old KR project that has some moisture damage to the >> boat > (my >> site will show you what stage I'm in: >> http://home.comcast.net/~rickcoy/RAF >> html). >> >> Some of the varnish is worn away and some of the stains look like >> they > might >> be some kind of mould. Is Clorox safe on glue joints? Do I use it >> full strength, then rinse -- or leave it on? >> >> Rick Coykendall >> KR2 >> San Francisco Bay Area >> rickcoy@yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________ >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:37:42 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Aileron deflection Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c40a43$af502bd0$99ef0843@RaineyDay> References: <004501c40a43$af502bd0$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 10 You are ahead of me... Tried starting mine to taxi last weekend... forgot to plug the charger in. Trim tab control in cockpit, ... canopy latch... , hangar rash repair... and we are ready to consider an inspection. On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:12:08 -0500, Colin & Bev Rainey wrote: > Netters, > It seems that my bellcranks may have been made alittle shy of the > required deflection. It seems that the right wing moves down acceptably, > but does not move up to the correct angle of deflection. I am wondering > if this can be corrected at the bellcrank by slightly increasing the > amount of movement by locating an additional hole for a new pivot hole > in the same bellcrank, or whether I should remake this one bellcrank > over? I am prepared to re-drill both bellcranks and re-mount, then > install a movement limit at the stick to prevent forcing the aileron > past its mechanical limits. 2 Things: 1) I am concerned with having > over the stated amount of deflection possible, as long as I can achieve > the design amount; 2) I presently have un-equal amounts of deflection > favoring the left side in the up position. I have checked all areas and > there is no binding, it is related to the bellcrank, setup geometry. > Not having plans to compare to, I have no reference to relate what > should have been done to what has been done. > > On a good note: taxi tested some more today and found the gear to > track straight and true, the brakes work great and she is LOTS of fun to > taxi!!!!!!! I can park her on a dime with the full swivel free > castoring pneumatic tailwheel. Bev was with me and boy is she > BIT!!!!! I am in trouble now.......... She is ready to fly! > > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html________________________________ > _______ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:43:45 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Transponder Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c40afc$0f628e10$992d4b0c@HPHome> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179><007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement> <001701c40af6$1f6f0aa0$6501a8c0@RMSDELL> <004801c40afc$0f628e10$992d4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 11 I don't believe you need a transponder unless you fly within a Mode C veil or are flying through class Bravo airspace... (I could have my regs out of date however...) You can make arrangements to fly through these areas without a transponder I think, but it's a special case... On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:11:56 -0500, Timothy Bellville wrote: > Can anyone tell me if I need a transponder in my KR2 due to the fact > that it > has a battery ignition and some elec. instruments and strobe? > Thanks > Tim > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 05:13:24 -0500 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Transponder Message-ID: <004301c40b3f$51a883e0$e52b4b0c@HPHome> References: <000901c40ad3$bbb07f20$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179><007b01c40ae1$dc4e87f0$1202a8c0@basement><001701c40af6$1f6f0aa0$6501a8c0@RMSDELL><004801c40afc$0f628e10$992d4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Wow I sure got a full range of opinions on this subject. I guess I should call a FSS to get the feds to tell me what the truth is about it. I only ask this becuase I heard of a rule change that may have effected us that have two seat homebuilts. I am inclined to go along with the old rules, but I know that we are subject to the wims of the homeland security act, and there may have been some new rules. Thanks for everyones imput Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:43 AM Subject: Re: KR>Transponder > I don't believe you need a transponder unless you fly within a Mode C > veil or are flying through class Bravo airspace... (I could have my > regs out of date however...) You can make arrangements to fly through > these areas without a transponder I think, but it's a special case... > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:11:56 -0500, Timothy Bellville > wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me if I need a transponder in my KR2 due to the fact > > that it has a battery ignition and some elec. instruments and > > strobe? Thanks > > Tim > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > -- > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:03:45 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Where are they? Message-ID: <4056DF11.000005.00376@Computer> References: <002601c40b0c$08c72b00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 13 RE: Why are they not flying these planes to the gatherings=0D =0D No one listens. For several years now, I and several other people on the = net have been writing about this. I don't know if they are still around or if all those KRs have crashed, or what, but there must be a lot of them that are not coming to the gatherings because they got worn out risking their lives and planes, trying to get there.=0D =0D Whether you drive to the gatherings or fly your KR, everyone wants to see KRs. So if you don't have one to fly and want to see more KRs, you need t= o speak up. KRs and other non-IFR, airplanes cannot fly in bad weather. =0D =0D Our gathering is held at a time of the year when the opportunity for blue skys all over the US is slim. I will never fly my KR to a gathering again= , unless I see blue skys going both ways. Unless something is done about th= e date for the gathering, we are taking pot luck at getting good weather.=0D =0D For me, the gathering has taken on more meaning than just the planes, but for most and especially for the newcomers, it is all about the planes, as= it should be.=0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:09:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Elevator Trim Tab Message-ID: <4056E06F.000007.00376@Computer> References: <005601c40afe$77cfe220$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 Mark,=0D =0D I really like that. If our mirror motor craps out on us or if the installation does not test out, that is what we are going to put in. I really like the idea of putting it in under a removable panel. Does it gi= ve input to the position indicator, via the wires that come out of the servo= , or does something else need to be attached? =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:15:29 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>operating lean of peak Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 >----- Original Message ----- > > > Sometime back, Dana Overall posted a link to the KRNet, a technical >paper > > about GAMIjectors and operating lean of peak (for operation of the > > 550 >in > > his his Bonanza). I was reading an article in AOPA Pilot about > > engine operation LOP and as Dana had mentioned, it's not too > > practical to do >this > > with a carbureted engine > > > > So the article gave a tip to try on carbureted engines: Running LOP >requires looking at things in a new and different >way. > > > > Which is how Dana operates anyway... but that's another story ;o) Hey, Oscar.......I represent that statement!! Some say I actually operate LOP. Anyway, I have watched the LOP develope over the Beech list. These guys have gobs of money to spend on the latest and greatest certified stuff. In doing so, some very interesting numbers are now available to those interested in the subject. Just do a Google search and sit back with your favorite beverage. It does require attention to detail, usually nessitated by the install of an engine monitering/controlling system. Certainly, the optimal circumstance would be individual control of each cylinder. What these guys are looking for, with those big engines, is reduced buildup on valves, decreased fuel comsumption and max engine performance at various altitudes. No, I never did visit the land of LOP, as my Bo had a pressure sensitive carb that supposedly adjusted itself with altitude change.........yeah, right. If you notice, I said my Bo HAD...................sold my half of it about three weeks ago. Got one son getting ready to attend Med school, one son getting ready to start college and gotta finish this little project in the garage. Look close, you may see me standing by the interstate ramp with a sign and tin cup:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:47:29 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Wiring Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 Since I am in the process of stringing wire, I thought I would forward this site for those planning their install. Watch out, it does have metal implications. http://steinair.com/ In addition to supplying aviation electrical switches, wire, fuse blocks, etc, Stein is getting into the harness business. He has received fabulous reviews on his quality of work. No, I'm not talking about the all in one boxes that cost a couple grand just to look at them, but actual harnesses. With experimental install, you get a lot of radios, intercoms, etc. without harnesses. Stein is fabricating me a harness that will tie my Dynon to my Garmin 327 transponder (with encoder gray code input), to my Garmin 430 (altitude readout for approaches and airspace penetration), my 430 to my intercom, inputs to the intercom from my Monroy ATD-200 anti collision system and MP3 player (including DVD), outputs to my headsets, 430 to Trio Avionics autopilot and 430 to the Garmin 106A dual GPS/NAV head.................for about $350. I know, I could wire my own but I just about can't buy the wire, posts and Dsubs for that price. All I'll have to do is plug it up and attach the power and grounds. If you just want a harness for a radio, transponder, intercom......I'll bet the price would be right!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:26:54 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Elevator Trim Tab Message-ID: <003c01c40b51$f7cbc680$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <005601c40afe$77cfe220$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <4056E06F.000007.00376@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" . Does it give input to the position indicator, via the wires that come out of the servo, or does something else need to be attached? Dan, The servo is directly wired to the position indicator and the rocker switch. It is a complete self contained unit. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 342, Issue 1 ************************************* ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================