From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 106 Date: 6/15/2004 9:00:25 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. KR2 One seater (J?rgen Thiesen) 2. Re: engine update/ four place KR (Dan Heath) 3. Re: KR2 One seater (StRaNgEdAyS) 4. handling/climb rate (larry flesner) 5. Re: engine update/ four place KR (Ray Goree) 6. RE: KR2 One seater (Jack Cooper) 7. RE: KR2 One seater (Joachim Saupe) 8. Re: KR2 One seater (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 9. RE: KR2 One seater (Jack Cooper) 10. RE: KR2 One seater (Joachim Saupe) 11. Re: KR2 One seater (Ray Fuenzalida) 12. Re: VW Distributor (Russ Fenlason) 13. RE: KR2 One seater (Jack Cooper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:33:05 +0000 From: J?rgen Thiesen Subject: KR> KR2 One seater To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <200406151133.05943.j.thiesen@thiesen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I am sitting in the office, the sky is blue and I am dreaming about flying and building my future project. For my projekt (KR2 as OneSeater) I need Informations about the difference between the KR2 and the KR2S, because I am not yet clear, shall I order the plans of the KR2 or the Plans of the KR2S? I will build it with a thinner boat and a shorter middlewing with a complete span of about 20 feet and the new airfoil. Have anyone a 3 Side-View from the KR2 and KR2S and can mail it to me? with best regards Juergen ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:37:58 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> engine update/ four place KR To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40CEDF96.000015.00492@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry, How did it handle as a 4 place and what was the climb rate compared to a single place? See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:40:48 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 One seater To: , Message-ID: <40CEEE50.000010.03744@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check out some of the builders' links on www.krnet.org I think I saw a single seat KR2S on there. The S in the KR2S stands for stretch, and as such it is slightly longer than the standard KR2. This was, I believe, to resolve some of the pitching moment issues related to closely coupled aircraft. In other words, it is longer to give it a little more pitch stability, the horizontals don't have to work as hard to counteract the action of the wing's lift against the CofG Just my humble opinion. Peter Bancks. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:53:44 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> handling/climb rate To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040615075344.00883580@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Larry, >How did it handle as a 4 place and what was the climb rate compared to >a single place? Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The twins probably weigh in at about 3/4 pound each and aren't due till November so my "offical" claim to having a four place KR is subject to some debate. However, to date, I've flown my KR with me (200 lbs) and a total of 170 pounds of passanger weight. The passanger reduces my climb rate from approx 800 to 900 fpm to about 500 fpm. That was on a day with the air temp in the mid to high 80's. The KR still handled well although I could tell the aircraft was slightly less stable in pitch. My W&B calulations indicate I could go with a 200 pound passanger before reaching the rear CG limit but I'll want to varify that with a set of good scales before trying it. My KR is a 24" stretch with standard KR2 tail surfaces and an 0-200 engine. I have the standard KR wing less 4 inches on each tip. The longer wings on KR's with the premolded skins should do better in the climb area. Most KR pilots with a "standard" KR2 advise staying out of the last 2 inches of the CG range. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Goree Subject: Re: KR> engine update/ four place KR To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040615143435.84609.qmail@web80710.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very clever way for Larry to claim increased capacity. Very good response. Ray goree Dan Heath wrote: Larry, How did it handle as a 4 place and what was the climb rate compared to a single place? See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:49:37 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater To: "j.thiesen@thiesen.com, KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220046215174937437@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jurgen I don't have the info you requested but I'm building a KR-2 and making it a single place. It is built to standard width so by sitting in the middle of the KR I will have space on the sides for map cases and possibly some small bags. Below is a link to a picture of me sitting in the KR while measuring for the turtle deck height. its a comfortable single place at standard width. http://jackandsandycooper.com/images/P10100022.JPG Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Jürgen Thiesen > To: > Date: 6/15/2004 11:26:12 AM > Subject: KR> KR2 One seater > > Hi all, > I am sitting in the office, the sky is blue and I am dreaming about flying and > building my future project. > For my projekt (KR2 as OneSeater) I need Informations about the difference > between the KR2 and the KR2S, because I am not yet clear, shall I order the > plans of the KR2 or the Plans of the KR2S? > I will build it with a thinner boat and a shorter middlewing with a complete > span of about 20 feet and the new airfoil. > Have anyone a 3 Side-View from the KR2 and KR2S and can mail it to me? > with best regards > Juergen > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:18:33 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater To: "kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220046215181833359@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jack, How big are you? Joachim > [Original Message] > From: Jack Cooper > To: j.thiesen@thiesen.com, KRnet > Date: 6/15/2004 12:49:55 PM > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > Jurgen > I don't have the info you requested but I'm building a KR-2 and making it > a single place. It is built to standard width so by sitting in the middle > of the KR I will have space on the sides for map cases and possibly some > small bags. Below is a link to a picture of me sitting in the KR while > measuring for the turtle deck height. its a comfortable single place at > standard width. > http://jackandsandycooper.com/images/P10100022.JPG > > Jack Cooper > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jürgen Thiesen > > To: > > Date: 6/15/2004 11:26:12 AM > > Subject: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > Hi all, > > I am sitting in the office, the sky is blue and I am dreaming about > flying and > > building my future project. > > For my projekt (KR2 as OneSeater) I need Informations about the > difference > > between the KR2 and the KR2S, because I am not yet clear, shall I order > the > > plans of the KR2 or the Plans of the KR2S? > > I will build it with a thinner boat and a shorter middlewing with a > complete > > span of about 20 feet and the new airfoil. > > Have anyone a 3 Side-View from the KR2 and KR2S and can mail it to me? > > with best regards > > Juergen > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:41:11 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> KR2 One seater To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <009d01c45308$795d2dd0$b5609445@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Joachim, It was good to see your E-mail on the net. When I was looking at what I thought was your E-mail but was really Jack's E-mail, I thought "That doesn't look like Joachim but maybe it is and he has shaved his beard. Best of luck, Joachim. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Saupe" To: "kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > Jack, > How big are you? > Joachim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jack Cooper > > To: j.thiesen@thiesen.com, KRnet > > Date: 6/15/2004 12:49:55 PM > > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > Jurgen > > I don't have the info you requested but I'm building a KR-2 and making > it > > a single place. It is built to standard width so by sitting in the middle > > of the KR I will have space on the sides for map cases and possibly some > > small bags. Below is a link to a picture of me sitting in the KR while > > measuring for the turtle deck height. its a comfortable single place at > > standard width. > > http://jackandsandycooper.com/images/P10100022.JPG > > > > Jack Cooper > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Jürgen Thiesen > > > To: > > > Date: 6/15/2004 11:26:12 AM > > > Subject: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > > > Hi all, > > > I am sitting in the office, the sky is blue and I am dreaming about > > flying and > > > building my future project. > > > For my projekt (KR2 as OneSeater) I need Informations about the > > difference > > > between the KR2 and the KR2S, because I am not yet clear, shall I order > > the > > > plans of the KR2 or the Plans of the KR2S? > > > I will build it with a thinner boat and a shorter middlewing with a > > complete > > > span of about 20 feet and the new airfoil. > > > Have anyone a 3 Side-View from the KR2 and KR2S and can mail it to me? > > > with best regards > > > Juergen > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:46:16 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater To: "jsaupe6848@earthlink.net, KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220046215194616234@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII About 5'10" 210 pounds. Look at any picture of a KR with two people onboard. Its a tight fit. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Joachim Saupe > To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet > Date: 6/15/2004 2:18:49 PM > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > Jack, > How big are you? > Joachim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jack Cooper > > To: j.thiesen@thiesen.com, KRnet > > Date: 6/15/2004 12:49:55 PM > > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > Jurgen > > I don't have the info you requested but I'm building a KR-2 and making > it > > a single place. It is built to standard width so by sitting in the middle > > of the KR I will have space on the sides for map cases and possibly some > > small bags. Below is a link to a picture of me sitting in the KR while > > measuring for the turtle deck height. its a comfortable single place at > > standard width. > > http://jackandsandycooper.com/images/P10100022.JPG > > > > Jack Cooper > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Jürgen Thiesen > > > To: > > > Date: 6/15/2004 11:26:12 AM > > > Subject: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > > > Hi all, > > > I am sitting in the office, the sky is blue and I am dreaming about > > flying and > > > building my future project. > > > For my projekt (KR2 as OneSeater) I need Informations about the > > difference > > > between the KR2 and the KR2S, because I am not yet clear, shall I order > > the > > > plans of the KR2 or the Plans of the KR2S? > > > I will build it with a thinner boat and a shorter middlewing with a > > complete > > > span of about 20 feet and the new airfoil. > > > Have anyone a 3 Side-View from the KR2 and KR2S and can mail it to me? > > > with best regards > > > Juergen > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:48:58 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater To: "kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220046215204858671@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, I know. I got a kit The wood, the foam and some preformed. I was also thinking to make it into a Fat single seater. People advised against it, resale value 'n stuff! I'm still waiting for the new Sport Pilot Regs to be completed before I spend any time building. I had wanted to partner with Ray Goree but I just got onto Long Term Disability and money is somewhat tight. Joachim BTW, I'm 6'1" and 213# > [Original Message] > From: Jack Cooper > To: jsaupe6848@earthlink.net, KRnet > Date: 6/15/2004 2:46:23 PM > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > About 5'10" 210 pounds. Look at any picture of a KR with two people > onboard. Its a tight fit. > Jack Cooper > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Joachim Saupe > > To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet > > Date: 6/15/2004 2:18:49 PM > > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > Jack, > > How big are you? > > Joachim > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Jack Cooper > > > To: j.thiesen@thiesen.com, KRnet > > > Date: 6/15/2004 12:49:55 PM > > > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > > > Jurgen > > > I don't have the info you requested but I'm building a KR-2 and making > > it > > > a single place. It is built to standard width so by sitting in the > middle > > > of the KR I will have space on the sides for map cases and possibly some > > > small bags. Below is a link to a picture of me sitting in the KR while > > > measuring for the turtle deck height. its a comfortable single place at > > > standard width. > > > http://jackandsandycooper.com/images/P10100022.JPG > > > > > > Jack Cooper > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Jürgen Thiesen > > > > To: > > > > Date: 6/15/2004 11:26:12 AM > > > > Subject: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am sitting in the office, the sky is blue and I am dreaming about > > > flying and > > > > building my future project. > > > > For my projekt (KR2 as OneSeater) I need Informations about the > > > difference > > > > between the KR2 and the KR2S, because I am not yet clear, shall I > order > > > the > > > > plans of the KR2 or the Plans of the KR2S? > > > > I will build it with a thinner boat and a shorter middlewing with a > > > complete > > > > span of about 20 feet and the new airfoil. > > > > Have anyone a 3 Side-View from the KR2 and KR2S and can mail it to me? > > > > with best regards > > > > Juergen > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> KR2 One seater To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040615210008.17825.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just to join in with some of the other comments out there, I also am making my KR2S a single seater. It will be roomy and always under gross. Hopefully a little faster too. Ray StRaNgEdAyS wrote: Check out some of the builders' links on www.krnet.org I think I saw a single seat KR2S on there. The S in the KR2S stands for stretch, and as such it is slightly longer than the standard KR2. This was, I believe, to resolve some of the pitching moment issues related to closely coupled aircraft. In other words, it is longer to give it a little more pitch stability, the horizontals don't have to work as hard to counteract the action of the wing's lift against the CofG Just my humble opinion. Peter Bancks. _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Thanks Russ Breckenridge, MN asiruss@702com.net ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:16:48 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater To: "jsaupe6848@earthlink.net, KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220046215211648437@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII It probably would not be too hard to convert from single place to two place if necessary. Put in dual pedals, make a new sear and stick. Or another solution might be to put in dual pedals and center stick and fly from the center when solo or fly from the left side with two aboard. Jack cooper > [Original Message] > From: Joachim Saupe > To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet > Date: 6/15/2004 4:49:21 PM > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > Yeah, I know. I got a kit The wood, the foam and some preformed. I was also > thinking to make it into a Fat single seater. > People advised against it, resale value 'n stuff! I'm still waiting for the > new Sport Pilot Regs to be completed before I spend any time building. I > had wanted to partner with Ray Goree but I just got onto Long Term > Disability and money is somewhat tight. > Joachim > BTW, I'm 6'1" and 213# > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jack Cooper > > To: jsaupe6848@earthlink.net, KRnet > > Date: 6/15/2004 2:46:23 PM > > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > About 5'10" 210 pounds. Look at any picture of a KR with two people > > onboard. Its a tight fit. > > Jack Cooper > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Joachim Saupe > > > To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet > > > Date: 6/15/2004 2:18:49 PM > > > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > > > Jack, > > > How big are you? > > > Joachim > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Jack Cooper > > > > To: j.thiesen@thiesen.com, KRnet > > > > Date: 6/15/2004 12:49:55 PM > > > > Subject: RE: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > > > > > Jurgen > > > > I don't have the info you requested but I'm building a KR-2 and > making > > > it > > > > a single place. It is built to standard width so by sitting in the > > middle > > > > of the KR I will have space on the sides for map cases and possibly > some > > > > small bags. Below is a link to a picture of me sitting in the KR while > > > > measuring for the turtle deck height. its a comfortable single place > at > > > > standard width. > > > > http://jackandsandycooper.com/images/P10100022.JPG > > > > > > > > Jack Cooper > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > > From: Jürgen Thiesen > > > > > To: > > > > > Date: 6/15/2004 11:26:12 AM > > > > > Subject: KR> KR2 One seater > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > I am sitting in the office, the sky is blue and I am dreaming about > > > > flying and > > > > > building my future project. > > > > > For my projekt (KR2 as OneSeater) I need Informations about the > > > > difference > > > > > between the KR2 and the KR2S, because I am not yet clear, shall I > > order > > > > the > > > > > plans of the KR2 or the Plans of the KR2S? > > > > > I will build it with a thinner boat and a shorter middlewing with a > > > > complete > > > > > span of about 20 feet and the new airfoil. > > > > > Have anyone a 3 Side-View from the KR2 and KR2S and can mail it to > me? > > > > > with best regards > > > > > Juergen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 106 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================