From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 108 Date: 9/7/2004 6:26:17 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 107 (Jumpnkd@aol.com) 2. Will Fox's Pegasair (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 3. Piano hinges (GavinandLouise) 4. Hinges (GavinandLouise) 5. Re: 3 day weekends (F Ross) 6. RE: polystyrene & other foams (Stephen Jacobs) 7. RE: 3 day weekends (Stephen Jacobs) 8. Stub exhausts (Colin & Bev Rainey) 9. Z24 dist (rparker) 10. re: Flight time (rparker) 11. Flight time (Oscar Zuniga) 12. Fw: KR Project for Sale (Mark Langford) 13. RE: Flight time (Jack Cooper) 14. RE: Flight time (Mark Jones) 15. PIC time (Colin & Bev Rainey) 16. RE: Flight time (Stephen Jacobs) 17. Ratings (Colin & Bev Rainey) 18. Log Time (Colin & Bev Rainey) 19. Re: Fw: KR Project for Sale (Ballsofbugs@aol.com) 20. Re: Fw: KR Project for Sale (pilgrim1@pdq.net) 21. one ton grin? (larry flesner) 22. RE: How many days? (Mark Jones) 23. Kr-nissan Z-24 distributor (TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com) 24. Re: Kr-nissan Z-24 distributor (Barry Kruyssen) 25. Bill Clapp's KR2S (Mark Langford) 26. Re: Bill Clapp's KR2S (Dan Heath) 27. 8 Plug heads (Colin & Bev Rainey) 28. Re: Fw: KR Project for Sale (Mark Langford) 29. Not ready but it flys (AVM Mail) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:05:31 EDT From: Jumpnkd@aol.com Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 107 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Any one looking to go to gathering from east DC that would like to drive with me or are driving and has room for me to tagalong? "People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it." George Bernard Shaw, (1856-1950) Irish playwight and winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature 1925 Yours Bill ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:28:12 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: KR> Will Fox's Pegasair To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040906.224435.1280.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Terry, Thought I'd let you know that Will finally got the Pegazair flying again this evening. I spent most of the day today helping him get all the final details tied up. He says it flies and handles great. With the constant speed prop, longer wings and bigger horizontal stab and elevator, he says it flies and handles better than it did before. Also turned over 450 hours on the KR this weekend as well. :o) Jeff ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:40:22 +1000 From: "GavinandLouise" Subject: KR> Piano hinges To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <000a01c494a5$8d2d7de0$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" OK all you technical wizards, can anybody tell me the real difference between 6061 T6 aluminium piano hinges, and 5005 H34 Aluminium piano hinges?? We have already been down the track of extruded verses rolled hinges and the feeling seems to be that it doesn't matter. I have the latter available to me here but the 6061 is harder to get here and I may have to source it from the U.S. It would be good if the 5005 H34 is good enough for ailerons. Thanks Gav ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:54:25 +1000 From: "GavinandLouise" Subject: KR> Hinges To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <002501c494a7$836b19a0$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Here we are I've found some info, I just need someone to help me interpret it. 6061 T6 Yield strength 275 mpa Tensile strength 310 mpa Elongation 12 % 5005 H34 Yield strength 140 mpa Tensile strength 160 mpa Elongation 8 % Looks like the 6061 T6 is about twice as strong !!!! but given how much of it there is, I doubt strength is an issue. Gav ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: F Ross Subject: Re: KR> 3 day weekends To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040907070106.3289.qmail@web40914.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dan, The only thing prettier than your plane is your website. Real nice! Frank See you all in Mt Vernon http://KRGathering.org Do not archive ===== Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:04:58 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> polystyrene & other foams To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c494b9$c49b4ff0$3b64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dene Are you aware that Sagex in Johannesburg also supplies polyurethane - they carry a range thicknesses from 8mm to 300mm (2440 x 1220). They only keep 32 and 35kg/m3 in stock - heavier on special order. I deal with Charmaine van Biljon [Charmaine.vanBiljon@OwensCorning.co.za] - ask her to fax you the price list. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:08:24 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> 3 day weekends To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000101c494ba$3e36c060$3b64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan A few pictures down in this sequence is a picture showing the static port from the inside. Just below the clear tubing of the static line is a UFO - looks like a washer suspended in mid air. What is it? Great idea on the panelling - looks very good. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:06:38 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Stub exhausts To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007601c494c2$5da64300$d2432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It is my understanding that any engine with too short an exhaust will allow cool air to be drawn back up into the tube which warps the exhaust valves and depending upon overlap amount even an intake valve with the uneven cooling. I seem to remember somewhere a minimum length of some 24 inches from the head as recommended for best life. Also the pipes sharing the same area/joining together makes the xhaust pulses help each other accelerate out of the pipe provided it is sized correctly, which will increase power especially in mid to high rpm ranges. This is the reason Flowmaster mufflers and others work. They create suction using the pulses to draw more pulses and so on.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 07:29:33 -0500 From: "rparker" Subject: KR> Z24 dist To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040907122933.8053.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I dont see why that wouldnt work, just need to marry the Z24 distributor to a shaft with gear from the engine you are using. Dan woodward from KnightHawke Gyrocopters used to take a ford escort distributor and use it in his soob EA-81 and EJ-22's Rich Parker Peterborough, NH rparker@wwhotspots.com http://theparkers.wwhotspots.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a nissan z24 motor has 8 spark plugs two per cly, two coils the cap has two coil posts and fire the plugs at the same time. I dont know if you could fit ine of these to a 009 dist but its worth a try. put in the pickups and 240sx Go look at one at pepboys, wild looking >Am I only dreaming, or does someone know of a single distributor, twin >point, separate ignition that will fit a type 4 VW?? for the 8 spark >set up. > Instead of using a Mag. Rich Parker Peterborough, NH rparker@wwhotspots.com http://theparkers.wwhotspots.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 08:02:27 -0500 From: "rparker" Subject: KR> re: Flight time To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040907130227.185.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thats not correct. taxi time is included in your PIC hours. Simulator time can also be logged. Simulators dont have "N" numbers therefore I would think your "experimental simulator" should also be valid. You cant get a better simulator than what you have. Check with your CFI and look in the Far/Aim. Rich Parker Peterborough, NH rparker@wwhotspots.com http://theparkers.wwhotspots.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i think that it is only the Flight time that counts, Virg Rich Parker Peterborough, NH rparker@wwhotspots.com http://theparkers.wwhotspots.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:02:02 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Flight time To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Virg wrote- >i think that it is only the Flight time that counts I always logged Hobbs time or tach times 1.2 and that definitely includes taxi time. I believe the FARs say you log time that you were operating the aircraft as sole manipulator of the controls, and that most certainly includes ground operations, not just air or flight ops. I would question whether you were operating an "aircraft", however, if it didn't have wings on it... like Mark Jones has been doing around his cul-de-sac. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:23:00 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> Fw: KR Project for Sale To: Message-ID: <009501c494ff$539d5e10$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" [Do not reply to me, reply to douglas_dorfmeier@msn.com !] > >From: "Douglas Dorfmeier" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:07 PM > >Subject: KR Project for Sale > > > > > I have decided to give up completing my KR2S project. I am > > > offering the > > > items on spread sheet at http://www.krnet.org/kr2s_prices.xls for sale. > >>You may reply to me by email > > > to douglas_dorfmeier@msn.com or you may call me at 530-432-2871. > >>I am located in Penn Valley, California. That is in Northern > >>California about an hour northeast of Sacramento. See ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:40:04 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> Flight time To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-2200492717404859@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I may be confusing Army regs with FARs but doesn't the reg state the time that an aircraft moves under its own power until it comes to rest again "for purpose of flight." I don't think Mark intended to fly so no time should be logged. > [Original Message] > From: Oscar Zuniga > To: > Date: 9/7/2004 10:02:02 AM > Subject: KR> Flight time > > Virg wrote- > > >i think that it is only the Flight time that counts > > I always logged Hobbs time or tach times 1.2 and that definitely > includes > taxi time. I believe the FARs say you log time that you were operating the > aircraft as sole manipulator of the controls, and that most certainly > includes ground operations, not just air or flight ops. > > I would question whether you were operating an "aircraft", however, if > it > didn't have wings on it... like Mark Jones has been doing around his > cul-de-sac. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:14:48 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> Flight time To: "'kr2cooper@earthlink.net'" , 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902B5B@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain Yep, you are correct Jack. But, I do intend to fly, just not yet. Therefore, I am not logging the time. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI -----Original Message----- From: Jack Cooper [mailto:kr2cooper@earthlink.net] I may be confusing Army regs with FARs but doesn't the reg state the time that an aircraft moves under its own power until it comes to rest again "for purpose of flight." I don't think Mark intended to fly so no time should be logged. _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:12:43 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> PIC time To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001901c49506$4542bac0$d2432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am a CFI and it does not permit you to use taxi time unless you had the capability to make the flight. Simulator time is either approved sims or flight training device that is approved, not just any you choose like Flight Sim 2004, and must have an approval letter from the FAA recognizing it for being able to use it for training time. Then it is only approved for certain ratings and for certain types of proficiency checks. VFR flying is not one of them! It generally can only be used for substitution for the required simulated instrument time, or "hood" time as we call it, and then most ratings have a limit as to how much can be substituted. PIC as per the FAR definitions is the person designated as the pilot in command for the flight (operative word)! Otherwise there would be all kinds of pilots who could just taxi around as subsititution for reauired solo flight time etc... Only counts if you intended and were capable of flying. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:13:34 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Flight time To: , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c49506$670b9050$e564a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I guess you must also be type rated (have the aircraft on your license) in order to log any time. Hey Larry - do we have the one ton grin yet? Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:55:51 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Ratings To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003101c4950c$4bf32a70$d2432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For the purposes of qualifying for the KR2 you must have at least Private or Recreational Pilots Certificate with airplane, single engine land category and class noted. There is not a type rating required for most single engine aircraft so that is not needed. Since the single seat KR1 cannot carry passengers AND is experimental, I believe you only have to have a current medical. Check with your local FSDO for sure. This usually what bumps people out of either KR is the medical requirement, and they move to ultralights to continue flying. Now with the new Sport Pilot Rating you will still have to at least qualify for the medical if you self certify (please lets start that thread again, read the archives). Only if the FAA recognizes that the aircraft needs a type rating type of training and certification is that required. Most INSURANCE companies require at least 5 hrs PIC in type or that particular make & model before they will cover you to fly as PIC. CFIs must have 5 hrs in that model in order to teach in it, ie: Piper Cherokee, or Cessna 172, or RR KR2. Reasoning is just what Brian spoke about happened when the owner and unfamiliar CFI got into his plane, no experience leads to problems. And they would have to do some smooth talking for the FAA to NOT hold the CFI responsible for the accident, since he would be considered the PIC of the flight, even though the owner was manipulating the flight controls (but that also is another story). The FAA likes to make big exceptions for Experimental Aircraft so check with your local FSDO about your particular situation before attempting to operate on what I am saying here... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:27:31 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Log Time To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003801c49510$b8916c10$d2432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So that no one hopefully gets confused with this. There is several different times that can be logged: total time or experience, single engine time, pilot in command time, solo time, dual received time, cross country time, night time, simulated instrument time, multi-engine time, and other kinds of powered aircraft such as rotor time. Total time can be logged anytime you are in the cockpit of the aircraft gaining experience. Flight Engineers log their time here and as required crew member. This time alone does not qualify you for a rating and only shows aircraft experience. Single engine time (most of us) just identifies what Class and can be logged as experience also. Again, this time alone does not qualify you for a rating and only shows aircraft experience. Pilot in Command time is logged when you are the designated pilot in command of the flight. This you can only log if it is a FLIGHT and you qualify to be in charge of the flight. Any ground associated with operations must be with at least the intent, and capability to fly. Dual received is instruction to you given by a CFI, or current ATP. The Regs dictate how much of this must be received for each rating in each Class of aircraft, in FAR Part 61. ie: Private is spelled out in FAR 61.107, & FAR 61.109. Solo time is where you are the sole occupant of the aircraft, not the only pilot onboard. Most ratings have a certain amount of required solo time in order to qualify for the rating. If you don't have a solo column in your log book, log it as PIC time but in one corner put a small "s" to denote solo time for easy reference later. Night time is that time from one hour after sunset to one hour before sunrise. That is when you can legally log that kind of experience. Cross country time is that flight time where the flight was from one airport to another with a landing. For the purposes of a RATING cross country time must be a landing at an airport over 50nm from the airport of departure, or for ATP must be an instrument approach made to an airport 50nm from the departure airport. In general it all counts, but for a rating only those flights over 50nm from departure count. Typically most pilots keep several of these columns in line with one another for math cross checking. ie: add up all your different types of aircraft class experience and it should match your total time. Be sure to differentiate your solo time. It is very significant to the FAA, ie: no one there to help so you had to do it all. Sorry about how long but wanted everyone to know how to log their KR time.... Kinda like the prop bank, if I can ever get our plane certified, I am considering offering KR transition training for cost if anyone is interested. Not for profit, just for cost. Anyone interested for the future contact off net. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:10:22 EDT From: Ballsofbugs@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Fw: KR Project for Sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 9/7/2004 10:23:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, n56ml@hiwaay.net writes: http://www.krnet.org/kr2s_prices.xls for sale. would like to view spreadsheet ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:21:02 -0500 (CDT) From: pilgrim1@pdq.net Subject: Re: KR> Fw: KR Project for Sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <29378.216.52.172.98.1094588462.squirrel@webmail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 I have a kr2 project for sale including Revmaster engine. Please see my ad at Barnstormers.com. Please mention this to your friends at the KR gathering. Thanks, Jim Foster Katy,TX ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:36:40 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> one ton grin? To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040907153640.007e5c50@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hey Larry - do we have the one ton grin yet? > >Steve J >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Your bet! And a two ton yeeEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAaaaaa How many days till the Gathering? When I got home today I found a note my wife left saying Jeanette Rand had returned my call and she will be attending the Gathering and will be joined by one of her daughters. She also plans to visit family while here. She was raised and went to school just eight miles from where I live and she and Ken started their college careers here at Southern Illinois University. I hope with all the "goings on" in the world that having the FIRST LADY of KR's in the area they don't close the airspace! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:03:29 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> How many days? To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902B5D@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain Still too many !!!!! But only 16. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI >How many days till the Gathering? >Larry Flesner _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:38:39 EDT From: TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com Subject: KR> Kr-nissan Z-24 distributor To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <145.3308a17a.2e6f845f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Rich & others, I have a Nissan pickup with the z24 engine. I know it is dual ignition (8 spark plugs) don't know if it has 2 separate timing sensors, but pretty sure it has a two level distributor cap and rotary button to provide separate high voltage circuits. I can look into it in a day or so. could even pull it out and meaure the shaft, gear etc., if that would help (just let me know) my guess is you would have to modify it to make it work for you. Will have to wait for the rain to stop, seems theres still an airplane in the garage. BTW the four cylinder ford ranger has 8 spark plugs, but I think they have a distributorless ignition system. Best Regards Riley Collins Rutledge, TN ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:16:00 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Kr-nissan Z-24 distributor To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008401c49530$a515ba90$7000a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a Nissan Pintara (in Australia) which is a 4 cylinder with dual plugs, leads and coils, but only one distributor. As I understand it, the first plug fires just before top dead centre, as it should, and the second plug is positioned at the exhaust valve (it may even be in the exhaust manifold) and fires during the exhaust stroke to burn any excess fuel, to help reduce emissions. I don't think this is what we want in an aircraft, though we do care about emissions, we want redundancy. The car is not here, my farther has it 1800km away, so I can't check it, as if looking from the outside will tell me !!!! (I'm not going to pull it just to check :-). Regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ----- Original Message ----- I have a Nissan pickup with the z24 engine. I know it is dual ignition (8 spark plugs) don't know if it has 2 separate timing sensors, but pretty sure it has a two level distributor cap and rotary button to provide separate high voltage circuits. I can look into it in a day or so. could even pull it out and meaure the shaft, gear etc., if that would help (just let me know) my guess is you would have to modify it to make it work for you. Will have to wait for the rain to stop, seems theres still an airplane in the garage. BTW the four cylinder ford ranger has 8 spark plugs, but I think they have a distributorless ignition system. Best Regards Riley Collins Rutledge, TN ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:20:28 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> Bill Clapp's KR2S To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005501c49531$43803bb0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For those of you that can't wait to see Bill Clapp's plane at the Gathering, see http://www.krnet.org/krs/wc/ . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:31:58 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Bill Clapp's KR2S To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <413E44EE.000001.00280@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The competition is going to be tough this year. That looks like and sounds like what we all are trying to build. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:44:03 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> 8 Plug heads To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000c01c4953c$f0b11510$d2432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters The 8 plug 4cyl head design is to increase the flame for more complete burning. The Nissan does not fire on exhaust stroke but does fire simultaneously with the first. Many times to find a malfunction in the primary firing I have exchanged the coil conections and the engine ran great. The computer uses both a speed sensor and rpm sensor amoung other things to keep both firing or drop the second plug and only fire the one primary side, as in during light loading during cruise. Under load they all fire. They use 2 different pickups, one module, and 2 coils, so almost a dual ignition complete. They are also designed for 2 different heat range plugs, the exhaust being one heat range cooler to prevent detonation/preignition issues. The Ford 8plug head use a DIS system, and fires both on compression stroke, and exhaust, referred to as waste fire ignition, which is for simpler ignition programming, and better emissions. This system has no back up, as 1 ignition module, crank trigger, cam trigger, but 2 coil packs or CD (Capacitive Ignition Coils), and 2 sets of plugs and wires. The Ford is not available in carb models but only sequential fuel injection, so if not your game, will be very complicated to retro into an aircraft. Check Summitt Racing, Jegs Racing, Mallory, MSD, and Crane Cams for ignition systems that may easily adaptable with alot less work. Pick up any issue of Hot Rod Magazine and you will see adds for them. Also, look in Front wheel/ Import performance magazines for the latest in adaptations and options. There are literally tons of aftermarket stuff for use "off road" for the performance enthusiast. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:18:25 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: KR Project for Sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008e01c49541$c4ee2210$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ballsofbugs wrote: > would like to view spreadsheet See http://www.krnet.org/kr2s_prices.pdf in Acrobat format, thanks to Wesley Scott. Ma ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:25:07 -0400 From: "AVM Mail" Subject: KR> Not ready but it flys To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002401c49542$adce38d0$81add145@robbinsavm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net Yes I did go up today. Once around the pattern was all I could muster due to the persistant overheating problem. On take off roll, after the tail came up, the temp started to climb. It passed 400 degrees before I could make 200 ft. As I said I would do, the waste gate remained open for the trip. At 200 AGL, I pulled the power back to 2800 RPM and still the temp climbed. By 300 AGL on the cross wind leg the temp went over 450 degrees. I again pulled the power back this time to 2500 and lowered the nose to a flat 100 FPM climb and completed the turn to down wind. At 500 AGL, I lowered the nose just as the temp reached 500. Flyinig level, the engine started to cool and I completed the pattern and landed without incident. Imperssions: With the waste gate open my performance is not much greater then before the engine mods (1910cc). I applied power slower then normal and P factor was not a factor. I really miss flying. What's next: I spent the rest of the day doing things to help cool the engine. First I used the VW oil cooler remote adapter that I purchased over 12 years ago and moved the oil cooler to the bottom of the engine. This opened up the cowl inlet allowing all the cooling air to get in. Didn't help! I added some baffle pieced to fill gaps and sealed all remaining openings. Didn't help! I rechecked timing, valves and compressions. Didn't help! The truth is comming to light. My plugs still show lean. That is all that I can find and it must be the answer. Tomorrow I will add a temporary fuel pump and my old regulator and set it for 1.5 PSI as described in the Revmaster book. At this point I would love to see the exhaust puff black smoke, just as long as the CHT is in the black also. I got my hands on an Ellison EFS2 and boy am I tempted. That's another subject. Orma L. Robbins A&P/IA KR-2 N110LR Southfield, MI ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 108 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================