From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 111 Date: 6/20/2004 9:00:05 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Epoxy (Colin & Bev Rainey) 2. RE: Dan Diehl says that epoxy other than Vinylester can be used (Dan Heath) 3. Varnishing (Len & Anneliese Steyn) 4. Re: Varnishing (Dan Heath) 5. Re: RE: Dan Diehl says that epoxy other than Vinylester can be used (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 6. Happy Father's Day (Dean Cooper) 7. Re: Varnishing (Dennis Dyer) 8. varnishing (Dennis Dyer) 9. RE: Varnishing (alphabravo pilot) 10. Seat Belt Attachments (Jim Morehead) 11. Re: Seat Belt Attachments -angle bracket made with 4130 steel (Dan Heath) 12. Cockpit painted (Dan Heath) 13. VW fuel injection Type 1 (Ron Eason) 14. Re: VW parts (JW) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:04:50 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Epoxy To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006701c456ae$06769730$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ray The recent education tape I received from the Gougen Brothers West System epoxies don't have interaction problems, and work like a dream. Get the dispenser pumps and you are never wrong on the amount of mix, and it goes down great. I won't use anything else. And it doesn't smell bad. Use yogurt cups for mixing and let them cure overnight and you can just flex the cup and clean off the epoxy and use it again. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:08:25 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> RE: Dan Diehl says that epoxy other than Vinylester can be used To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40D56219.000017.03892@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ray, I just had some discussion with Dan on that very subject. He says to sand until you get the gummy stuff off the top and your sanding is bringing up white powder. I may start on it with a 40 grit and then go to 100. He also says that VinylEster is not the best for gluing to wood and recommend using something different. We are using Aero Poxy and he suggested that I stick with that. I am sure that West or any of the structural resins are good. Unless you have premolded skins, or used VinylEster to make the wings, it won't matter anyway. If Dan Diehl says it, that is all the confirmation that you really need. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:27:43 +0200 From: "Len & Anneliese Steyn" Subject: KR> Varnishing To: Message-ID: <000e01c456b9$9bba68c0$b15bef9b@len> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi When should I varnish the boat and spars, or can I do it directly after it is built and stay away from the area round the wing spar and the top longerons? What kind of varnish should I use? Regards Len Steyn ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:00:33 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Varnishing To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40D57C61.00001C.03892@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The best thing to use is thinned out epoxy. I think they thin it with alcohol. If you use varnish, like spar varnish, stay away from anyplace you will be needing to glue or glass, to. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:31:14 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> RE: Dan Diehl says that epoxy other than Vinylester can be used To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001601c456c2$7a783940$04495844@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As the song says, "There, I've Done it Again". Sorry for the repetition. It is good to have your confirmation and Dan's output. I hae called him several times. Ray Goree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 5:08 AM Subject: KR> RE: Dan Diehl says that epoxy other than Vinylester can be used > Ray, > > I just had some discussion with Dan on that very subject. He says to > sand until you get the gummy stuff off the top and your sanding is > bringing up white powder. I may start on it with a 40 grit and then > go to 100. He also > says that VinylEster is not the best for gluing to wood and recommend using > something different. We are using Aero Poxy and he suggested that I > stick with that. I am sure that West or any of the structural resins > are good. > > Unless you have premolded skins, or used VinylEster to make the wings, > it won't matter anyway. > > If Dan Diehl says it, that is all the confirmation that you really > need. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for > building has long since expired." > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:46:50 -0400 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: KR> Happy Father's Day To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <012201c456cd$0a44c520$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, For those of you with kids, Happy Father's Day! Take them flying... :-) ps. one day closer to the gathering... Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Dyer Subject: Re: KR> Varnishing To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040620154038.E39C37276@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mylist.net/private/krnet/attachments/20040620/3fdf3ba9/attachment.bat ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:47:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Dyer Subject: KR> varnishing To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040620154738.D19FC282CA8@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mylist.net/private/krnet/attachments/20040620/6d703ff6/attachment.bat ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:42:49 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" Subject: RE: KR> Varnishing To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed well ..... some peopl used to do that...but the maine idea is to avoide those areas where they has to be epoxied ..there are many kindes of varnish from low quality up to high quality .I was told that the marine one is the best becuase it dives through the cels more than the others and adds more stringth to the woods too ,which is going to be very good with spruce and also with the plywood too . spruce drinks more varnish and that becuase of it spcifecations, so using the best qualities of varnish is the best way . ( yes I know ....very baad english with writing lool ) good luck ALMARZUOQI www.uaespaces.com >From: "Len & Anneliese Steyn" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: >Subject: KR> Varnishing >Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:27:43 +0200 > >Hi > >When should I varnish the boat and spars, or can I do it directly after >it >is built and stay away from the area round the wing spar and the top >longerons? >What kind of varnish should I use? > >Regards >Len Steyn >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:16:14 -0700 From: Jim Morehead Subject: KR> Seat Belt Attachments To: KR- Net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Netters, Awhile back someone posted a message on his seat belt attachment. It was an angle bracket made with 4130 steel that was bolted to the rear spar using two bolts through the solid parts of the spar. Here is a question for you engineering type people. could these brackets be made out of 6061-T6 Alum? If so what thickness angle alum. would be best. I was thinking of using of using 1/8² or 1/4² thick 2 X 3 inch angle. Bolted on with either AN3 or AN4 bolts with an alum. backing plate I welcome all comments. Thanks, Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:43:52 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Seat Belt Attachments -angle bracket made with 4130 steel To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40D62138.000026.03892@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Do you feel that you NEED to make a bracket? See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:55:38 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Cockpit painted To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40D623FA.00002C.03892@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I finally got the passenger window trimmed out and finished painting the cockpit. The tips about putting on a heavier coat of paint are right on. Someone suggested using a smaller tip on the paint gun. I got 3 tips with my HVLP, so I put on the smallest one and that seems to give a much more even coat and makes it easier to put on a heavier coat. I did get a little run in one spot, but that is no problem. I found one thing that may help if, like me, you don't know when it is the right time to pull the tapes. It really depends on how heavy the paint is and if you don't have a lot of experience, it can be hard to know when the time is right. After I made the primary taping around the window, I added a thicker tape to get back away from the very thin first tape, and to that, I taped on the covering. I found that by pulling off the first tape, I could get an idea if it was time. So, in the future, I will put a bit of tape at intervals and close enough to the edge that I will get the same coat of paint on the tape as on the plane, so I can test how they pull off, before I have to do the real thing. Pics to follow after the whole plane is painted and trimmed out. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:31:35 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: KR> VW fuel injection Type 1 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003901c45727$1c2f00c0$6501a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For anyone interested I just finished fabricating the Fuel Rails and Fuel injection bungs to my intake manifold and have pics of what I fab'ed. Fab'e from steel tube. I think this is the first fuel injection attempt for a Type 1 VW engine. Email me and I will send you some pics. KRron. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:53:29 -0700 From: "JW" Subject: Re: KR>VW parts To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000501c45743$50702a50$ed7ba8c0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To KRnet, I am selling a VW type 4 2180 case for a friend. It is the case with only the heads,new cylnders,new pistons w/ connecting rods. Make offer off net, Justin ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 111 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================