From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 116 Date: 9/11/2004 7:39:22 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fw: KR Project for Sale (Douglas Dorfmeier) 2. new member (Oscar Zuniga) 3. Re: micro (Eric Evezard) 4. Gathering/cylinders (larry flesner) 5. Skysmith Aviation Insurance (larry flesner) 6. KRnet World Record (larry flesner) 7. Re: Infrared Temp Sensor (Orma) 8. Rotax (Stephen Jacobs) 9. Re: Rotax (Bernard McLean Sr) 10. Rotax (JIM VANCE) 11. Re: Rotax (Robert L. Stone) 12. Re: Rotax (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 13. Engines (Colin & Bev Rainey) 14. Re: Engines (patrusso) 15. Re: Engines (Mark Jones) 16. Re: Engines (Orma) 17. Re: Engines (Orma) 18. Try and fly or fly and fry? (Orma) 19. Re: Engines (Mark Jones) 20. Re: Engines (Orma) 21. Re: Engines (Mark Jones) 22. Prop Bank (Mark Jones) 23. Along the path (Orma) 24. Re: Engines (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 25. Re: Engines (Mike Turner) 26. It flies. (cartera) 27. Re: Along the path (John & Elaine Roffey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:30:18 -0700 From: "Douglas Dorfmeier" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: KR Project for Sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Premolded Top Deck was listed twice. I revised spreadsheet is attached. >From: Ballsofbugs@aol.com >Reply-To: KRnet >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: Re: KR> Fw: KR Project for Sale >Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:10:22 EDT > >In a message dated 9/7/2004 10:23:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >n56ml@hiwaay.net writes: http://www.krnet.org/kr2s_prices.xls for >sale. >would like to view spreadsheet >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:20:53 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> new member To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed New list member Matt Lansford asked some questions and I don't think I've seen replies, so I'll give it a shot. >1. How many hours does it take on average to build one of these >babies? Don't believe the sales literature. If you had nothing else to do from sunup to sundown and/or were a professional builder, you could do one in 6 months. If you're like the great majority of builders, you'll put about 1500-2000 hours into it over the span of 5-10 years. >2. How well do they last over time? If you keep it in a hangar and take care of it, you'll be passing it on to your heirs. If you tie it down in the sun, you'll start seeing paint deterioration within a year or two, minor delaminations within a year or three, crazing in the windshield in a couple of years, and so on... but the airframe should be good for many, many years if it's kept dry and well protected. The materials are very rugged and if the construction is done right, should last a lifetime. There are KRs flying now that were built in the 1970's and still look excellent. >3. How much money do you invest in all the parts and materials it >takes on >average? There is no "average", but you'll spend equal amounts on the engine and "firewall forward" as you will on everything else, maybe $5000 for firewall forward and $5000 for the rest... but there are HUGE variations on this depending on choice of engine, level of workmanship, how much you put into the panel, etc. Heck, there are airplanes that have $5000 in paint jobs alone. On the other hand, if you're a good scrounger and hand-fabricator, you can convert a VW or Corvair engine for $5K easily, build the airframe for another $5K, get yourself a couple dozen rattle cans of Rust-O-Leum, and go fly ;o) >4. Don't suppose there are any of you around south Texas? Bobby Muse's award-winning KR2 was located just south of Austin in the Wimberley area, but he had it up for sale last year and it may be gone. There are several others who have KRs in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, central Texas, maybe one or two here in San Antonio under construction, but none that come immediately to mind. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:43:31 +0200 From: "Eric Evezard" Subject: Re: KR> micro To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c497e3$efe74ce0$29ce07c4@r5c9m8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" COME ON MARK ! SURELY YOU COULD SEE I WAS ONLY PULLING YOUR LEG ! My apologies in any case.I will try to behave in future. Best Regards, Eric S.Africa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: Re: KR> micro > > Mark I agree that "something must be put on the foam otherwise it > > wont > stay on for long"--quite right -- the glass will fall onto the floor > !!! < > > You said The book I had stated"never ever glass over micro"---enough > said.!". And I said it's OK to have micro under it, and tried to > cover all > the bases, answering questions that weren't even asked. Just trying > to be helpful. Sorry. I'll try to watch that in the future. > > >When are you going to fly Mark ?< > > It's probably a good time to get back to work, and quit harrassing the > netters. You guys take up my slack for me... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 06:20:20 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Gathering/cylinders To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040911062020.007f5530@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:04 AM 9/10/04 -0700, you wrote: >Larry, >Do you think anyone would be interested in taking a look at some new aluminum cylinders I am using on my VW? >KRron +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CERTIANLY!! Bring them along. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 06:20:36 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Skysmith Aviation Insurance To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040911062036.007f7a40@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:24 AM 9/10/04 -0500, you wrote: >http://www.skysmith.com/Aviation%20Insurance.htm > >Mark Jones +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just to show the type of people there are at SkySmith, I got a phone call yesterday thanking me for recommending them to a third party. That person liked their quote and bought insurance. They called to thank me. Good people....... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 06:21:45 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> KRnet World Record To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040911062145.007fb210@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Tommy >Very pleased about your engine - really, but not so >pleased to tell you that you have broken the all time >idiot record. Not by much mind you - you pipped out a >few close contenders. >(Ed Seaman) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ed, We have no "idiots" on the krnet, only the uninformed. Please offer your advise and guideance in a positive way. Thank you. Larry Flesner P.S. I don't like parents yelling at their kids in public either but that's not really "net" related. :-) ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:46:11 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Infrared Temp Sensor To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011e01c497f4$f06d5d10$1e29d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" bring it to confirm your CHT just speak That sounds intersting, I would love to compare my gauge to something more accurate. Thanks for the offer. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:16:49 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: KR> Rotax To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c49812$6058eb90$7764a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Recent activity has brought me into contact with the Rotax range of engines. The 4 stroke versions appear to be pretty neat - very compact and surprisingly light - 124 lbs for the 100hp. I recall seeing a TV program "An airplane is born" all about the construction of a Europa with a Rotax engine - got to wondering why I have not seen or heard about a KR with a Rotax? Is there a reason that they are not popular with KR builders? Enjoy the weekend (F1 Grand Prix tomorrow) Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:40:09 -0500 From: Bernard McLean Sr Subject: Re: KR> Rotax To: KRnet Message-ID: <41431C59.1000901@northboone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed My guess is that the cost of the Rotax may be a big reason they are not popular in Krs....just my opinion. I'm currently looking at the various engine options for my KR project and am leaning towards the VW conversions or a Corvair conversion. I'm going to pick lots of brains at the Gathering to see which way is best. See you there! Bernie McLean Poplar Grove Illinois ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:07:20 -0500 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: KR> Rotax To: "krnet" Message-ID: <002701c4982a$2f3d2040$0300a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The two-cycle Rotax really drinks fuel. I have a 582 in my Renegade, and it burns 5 1/2 gallons an hour. What you save in engine weight you more than make up for in fuel and fuel tank weight. Also, their life is short compared to four cycles. The Rotax four-cycles are good engines, but require a gearbox and a big bank account. One ready to hang on your plane goes for about what most guys are putting into their entire KR with an engine. Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:17:08 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Rotax To: Message-ID: <41434F34.000001.03180@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The main reason not very many people are using a Rotax engine in their KR aircraft is the same reason they are not using a continental or lycoming. Cost! All of the engines you read about that are being installed on KR aircraft are cheaper to buy and maintain and some of them are in my opinion just as reliable. I don't think you could run any of them for 2400 hours but the cost of overhaul is a lot lower than a Lycoming or Continental when the time comes. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 09/11/04 10:18:49 To: 'KRnet' Subject: KR> Rotax Recent activity has brought me into contact with the Rotax range of engines. The 4 stroke versions appear to be pretty neat - very compact and surprisingly light - 124 lbs for the 100hp. I recall seeing a TV program "An airplane is born" all about the construction of a Europa with a Rotax engine - got to wondering why I have not seen or heard about a KR with a Rotax? Is there a reason that they are not popular with KR builders? Enjoy the weekend (F1 Grand Prix tomorrow) Steve J _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:33:06 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Rotax To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040911.153610.3568.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii $$$$$ COST ??$$$, Virg On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:16:49 +0200 "Stephen Jacobs" writes: > Recent activity has brought me into contact with the Rotax range of > engines. The 4 stroke versions appear to be pretty neat - very > compact > and surprisingly light - 124 lbs for the 100hp. > > I recall seeing a TV program "An airplane is born" all about the > construction of a Europa with a Rotax engine - got to wondering why > I > have not seen or heard about a KR with a Rotax? > > Is there a reason that they are not popular with KR builders? > > Enjoy the weekend (F1 Grand Prix tomorrow) > > Steve J > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:40:15 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002b01c49837$29ba1260$63472141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know of any engine that goes 2400 hours between overhauls! That is just the stated TBO, not what they do in practice. In practice they all eat valves, develop leaks and problems where half the engine has been replaced by the time you get to the 2400 TBO. The main difference is entry cost and upkeep cost. For the initial cost of a Rotax or Lyc you can buy 3 to 5 VW type engines, and rebuild them 4 or 5 times for the cost of one rebuild from Lyc mech. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:14:04 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c4983b$edf0f320$fca972d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What's happening? Tied tail down with a foot of slack, chocked the wheels, ran the engine up to 3000RPM and the tail did not lift,..... stick full forward._Rechecked elevator travel, Okay, redid weight and balance, CG at forward limit._Got about 5 hours taxi time, up to about 35 MPH, still not light on the stick. ____________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:51:59 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002b01c49841$2f20ee40$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You must have a nose wheel???? Just kidding. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrusso" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: Re: KR> Engines > What's happening? Tied tail down with a foot of slack, chocked the wheels, > ran the engine up to 3000RPM and the tail did not lift,..... stick full > forward._Rechecked elevator travel, Okay, redid weight and balance, CG at > forward limit._Got about 5 hours taxi time, up to about 35 MPH, still not > light on the stick. ____________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:52:41 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013301c49841$484e3e40$1e29d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "still not light on the stick." My aircraft gets light on the stick at 2500. What is the pitch of your prop? Even though mine gets light on the stick at 2500 and I can lift the tail at 2800, on the roll, it all changes and it wants some speed, but nothing like 35 MPH. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:54:17 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013601c49841$81654390$1e29d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You must have a nose wheel???? Mark J you are a sick individual, you had better hurry up and fly so that you can act normal. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:12:06 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Try and fly or fly and fry? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <014001c49843$ff14f1d0$1e29d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net For one long half hour, I took the KR into the air above PTK. At first to 2600 MSL then to 3600 MSL. I moved one more sensor today and made the other changes I discussed yesterday. I placed the #3 sensor on the second plug. The plug that is almost exactly in the location of the stock factory CHT location. I made my take off with the waste gate open and the fuel pump on. By 400 AGL the #3 was reading 450 and the #4 was reading 250 (remember that the #4 sender is now located on the #3 cylinder head bolt. By 2600 my #3 was 550 and the #4 was 375. the oil temp went red. I leveled off and stayed there to see if the numbers improved. The CHT started to come down as I lowered the nose and oil temp took it's dear sweet time. Eventually the CHT leveled off at 325 at all positions and the oil temp came down to 190. I climbed to 3500 using a little boost and part throttle. The CHT on #3 plug climbed to 450 and the others stayed the same including the oil. At this point I know that I can climb slowly. I plan to continue to look for ways to cool things off while I build some time on the new engine. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:39:36 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004701c49850$37990f80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Orma, Just wait till my Infrared Temp Sensor detects your engine at 800°. That is a jet engine you have....right??? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: KR> Engines > You must have a nose wheel???? > > Mark J you are a sick individual, you had better hurry up and fly so that > you can act normal. > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR celebrating 20 years > To the gathering or bust > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:49:41 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <015901c49851$a0815560$1e29d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "That is a jet engine you have....right???" Well Mark, it does heat up like a jet, if only I could get it to fly as fast as a jet. Well, on second thought it does fly as fast as the turbine KR that flew a few years back. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years I will fly to the gathering in my KR, Just pray for snow. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:09:42 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005a01c49854$6c6bdea0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" > I will fly to the gathering in my KR, Just pray for snow. No Snow Yet!!!!! Please. But may the gods of coolness be with you. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:19:54 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Prop Bank To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <006501c49855$d90f09a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gentlemen. The funds for the propeller bank are growing at a snails pace. Only three people have made donations towards the prop bank since I took over the project from Mark Langford. There is a balance of $620 in the prop bank fund. We sure could use a lot more donations if we are going to make this work for us. Remember this is being done for you so you can have a test prop when you are ready. You may either make a donation by using PayPal www.paypal.com and my PayPal account is the same as my e-mail address flykr2s@wi.rr.com or you may mail your donation to: Mark Jones 615 Wexford Circle Wales, WI 53183 Remember this is being done to benefit you. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:34:18 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Along the path To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <017501c49857$dd7b2b70$1e29d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Again Is there anyone between Michigan and Mt Vernon Ill that would like to join up and arrive at the gathering together as a flight of two? Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:49:43 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Engines To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040911.175422.1348.1.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:40:15 -0400 "Colin & Bev Rainey" writes: > I don't know of any engine that goes 2400 hours between overhauls! > That is just the stated TBO, not what they do in practice. In > practice they all eat valves, develop leaks and problems where half > the engine has been replaced by the time you get to the 2400 TBO. > The main difference is entry cost and upkeep cost. For the initial > cost of a Rotax or Lyc you can buy 3 to 5 VW type engines, and > rebuild them 4 or 5 times for the cost of one rebuild from Lyc > mech. > > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html Hmm. OK, I'll answer up to this one. Discussing engines seems to be like discussing religion. You believe what you believe and to call your's pretty almost always turns into a case of calling someone elses baby ugly. I'll try not to do that. First misconception. Out here in the mountains, many Lyc and Cont engines run well over TBO without ever pulling a cylinder. They rarely pull their rated HP as they spend most of their time above 5000'. Our rental C-172s typically run 2500 hours between engine swaps and come off still showing mid to upper 70s for compression and no metals in the oil. That is more the norm here, although at low altitudes I'm sure that's the exception. I'm running my second Continental engine on my KR. I picked up a high time C-85 for $2500 while I was building the plane. I flew it for 350 hours to finish running it out. It would be difficult to build any engine for that kind of $$. While flying behind the C-85, I kept my eye and mind open for the right deal on the next engine, not necessarily a Continental. I found a low time O-200 out of a C-150 with a damaged crank for $3500. It cost me $3000, including a new crank to rebuild. The C-85 was donated to a charitable organization as parts, which generated about the same $$ in tax refunds as the cost to rebuild the O-200. Now I'm flying behind an engine that I fully expect to outlast the airframe. Compare the economics. It doesn't have to cost a fortune to fly behind a Continental. Those that say they are too expensive are using that as an excuse to justify their choice, but in my opinion, the economics don't necessarily add up. Ok, I think I did that without being an engine biggot. If you think I am, then you might be surprised to find that the other plane I built after the KR was flying behind a VW. One last thing that weighs heavily on my mind with my choice of engines. I live and fly in the high mountains. I've had one engine failure at night and count myself fortunate to be here. As hot and flat as my KR lands, I don't ever want to have a forced landing in it. It's hard to beat the millions of hours of experience behind a Lycoming or Continental. Note that I am not and will not say that any other engine is inferior. Only that this is my justification for the engine in my plane. See you in Mt Vernon. Jeff Scott ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:19:46 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" Subject: Re: KR> Engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just curious how far forward of the main spar are your main landing gear? Have you checked your angle of inscindence on the horz stab. ? Mike Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: patrusso To: KRnet Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: Re: KR> Engines What's happening? Tied tail down with a foot of slack, chocked the wheels, ran the engine up to 3000RPM and the tail did not lift,..... stick full forward._Rechecked elevator travel, Okay, redid weight and balance, CG at forward limit._Got about 5 hours taxi time, up to about 35 MPH, still not light on the stick. ____________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:37:49 -0600 From: cartera Subject: KR> It flies. To: KR builders and pilots Message-ID: <4143B67D.6030207@spots.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Gang, Subject: Fw: John Deere and Boeing merge talents Here is an interesting concept...part combine, part aircraft. http://www.fanwing.com/ -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:33:42 -0400 From: "John & Elaine Roffey" Subject: Re: KR> Along the path To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003101c49870$ec7eab60$88d479a5@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Is there anyone between Michigan and Mt Vernon Ill that would like to join up and arrive at the gathering together as a flight of two? Orma, contact Chris Gardiner and Owen McPhearson from Ontario. The last time they flew to Red Oak, they stopped at St.Clair Co. Intl. to clear customs. We flew as a flight of three and passed right over PTK on our way to our fuel stop. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com Fort Gratiot, MI > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 116 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================