From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 118 Date: 9/12/2004 8:59:37 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: What's happening? Tied tail down (Dan Heath) 2. RE: Rotax (Stephen Jacobs) 3. Re: Try and fly or fly and fry? (Colin & Bev Rainey) 4. Re: Engines (larry flesner) 5. Re: Prop Bank (larry flesner) 6. HURT FEELINGS (Flymaca711689@aol.com) 7. Re: Try and fly or fly and fry? (Mark Langford) 8. RE: KRnet World Record (Doug Rupert) 9. Re: Prop Bank (Mark Langford) 10. Re: Prop Bank (Jack Cooper) 11. Re: Prop Bank (Mark Jones) 12. Re: Prop Bank (larry severson) 13. Re: Prop Bank (Mark Jones) 14. FYI from EAA (Ron Eason) 15. Re: Try and fly or fly and fry? (Orma) 16. Re: FYI from EAA (Timothy Bellville) 17. Re: Try and fly or fly and fry? (Mike Turner) 18. Re: FYI from EAA (Ray Fuenzalida) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:39:43 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Re: What's happening? Tied tail down To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41439ACF.000001.03688@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What kind of gear are you using? And, maybe re-check the W&B. Get someone else to check behind you. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:46:12 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Rotax To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4988b$d3698300$4964a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My guess is that the cost of the Rotax may be a big reason they are not popular in Krs............ leaning towards the VW or a Corvair conversion. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Yikes - I see what you mean - $14k for 100hp. I really like the Corvair, it has (I think) all the characteristics of a very reliable and cost effective aero engine. Whereas I am happy to create every single bit of my airplane including the canopy, when it comes to the motor - I would really prefer to take one out of a crate. Several neat VW conversions available, but nobody seems to offer a ready-to-fly Vair. If there is a supplier, please pass on the email or URL. Have a great Sunday. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:51:23 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: Re: KR> Try and fly or fly and fry? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006901c498ae$10922080$63472141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Increased cooling sounds necessary to Orma's setup. I have never seen advanced timing cause overheating. Pre-ignition yes, but not overheating. Retarded timing will cause overheating. Orma I would also think about increasing the size of your oil reservior/oil pan. Especially since more than likely your turbo now shares that, and our VW engines it is still responsible for something like 75% of the cooling. I would also keep my inlet ports the SAME size and enlarge the EXIT to create more of a vacuum effect to draw in additional air and improve your heat exchange. Also think about some auxilary NACA ducts to flow cooling air separate from the cooling ports thru the cowling area to remove exhaust and othe engine heat. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:54:48 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Engines To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040912055448.007f4d60@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > What's happening? Tied tail down with a foot of slack, chocked the > wheels, ran the engine up to 3000RPM and the tail did not lift,..... > stick full forward._Rechecked elevator travel, Okay, redid weight > and balance, CG at forward limit._Got about 5 hours taxi time, up to > about 35 MPH, still not light on the stick. > ____________________________ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That doesn't sound completely normal but there are too many variables to give you a logical answer. Have someone else look at your plans and do a complete W.B. independent of yours and see if they get the same answer. Don't let them see any of your numbers before they start. What type of gear do you have (Diehl, Grove, retracts, etc) and do you have a picture posted somewhere? How far forward of the wing lead edge are your axles with the KR in the level position? The tail should come up much easier on the roll as it is primarily the lift of the main wing that brings the tail up to level. Anyone that doesn't believe that should watch the elevator movement / location on a taildragger on takeoff. Rolling level on the mains the elevator is very near nuetral. The center of lift is close / behind the CG and all forces must be in balance at flying speeds. The rudder and elevator are really just large movable trim tabs. The horizontal and vertical stabs act as fixed trim tabs. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:06:09 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040912060609.007b83a0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:33 PM 9/11/04 -0500, you wrote: >That will be fine as I do intend to discuss this at the Banquet if >Larry Flesner does not mind. Mark Jones (N886MJ) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I don't mind but remember that we already have the usual "beg for funds" for next years Gathering near the end of the banquet and I'm not sure the attendees will want us getting in their pockets twice. We should have time on the agenda to announce / explain the program. How many more days??????????? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 08:32:21 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: KR> HURT FEELINGS To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <157.3f11e117.2e759bd5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I SEE WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE THAT BANG ON OTHERS THAT DONT HAVE A KR AND DEFINITELY NOT KR PILOTS. SOME OF US ARE NOT VERY GOOD IN ENGLISH BUT I RATTER BE BAD SPELLER OR COMPUTER IDIOT THEN OF MAN OF BAD CHARACTER SO NOW THAT YOU HAVE HURT ANOTHER FLYING KR AND PILOT (TOMMY ) . SO IM GOING TO BANG BACK MR. SCOTT CABLE THINKS HE GODS GIFT BUT I GUESS HE WAS WRONG AFTER ALL HE QUIT AND SOLD HIS AIRPLANE AFTER TILLING THE WORLD SOMETHING THEY KNOW ABOUT ME ANYWAY IM A BAD SPELLER BUT I VERY GOOD TECH AND A HALF ASS KR PILOT AND VERY PROUD . NOW BACK TO TOMMY WARMACKS KR I WISH HE POST SOME PHOTOS OF HIS SHIP ONLY PHOTO I SEE IS FROM 2002 GATTHERING . IN CLOSING I HOPE AS MANY OF YOU GUYS EMAIL HIM AS THEY DID FOR ME .WILL IM GOING TO GO FLY THE KR AND THEN ITS A DAY OF FISHING LIFE IS GOOD !!!!! MAC N1055A 2W6 ST MARYS ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:51:10 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Try and fly or fly and fry? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006101c498d7$f2634880$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Colin wrote: > Orma I would also think about increasing the size of your oil reservior/oil > pan. Especially since more than likely your turbo now shares that, > and our > VW engines it is still responsible for something like 75% of the > cooling. Increasing the amount of oil in the system will only delay the warmup up the oil, which is not necessarily a good thing, since a lot of engine wear occurs during the first few minutes while the oil is still cold. Merely increasing oil pan size doesn't help unless there's a lot of cooling air directly right at the oil pan, and even then it won't help much because the oil in the pan is stratified, keeping heat transfer from the oil at the outside of the pan from effectively transferring to the oil that is being sucked into the pickup. The best way to cool the oil is through a larger oil cooler, and/or put more air through the cooler. Other than adding more weight, extra oil capacity will only give you a less of a chance of sucking air in an uncoordinated turn (which is apparently not a problem), or another couple of minutes of run time if you develop a leak, but it will not lead to a decreased steady-state oil temperature. But unfortunately, it won't do you any good in the case of a leak, because you probably won't know you have a leak until your oil pressure gauge drops, your oil light comes on, or the rods start knocking. > Also think about some auxilary NACA ducts to flow cooling air > separate from the cooling ports thru the cowling area to remove > exhaust and > othe engine heat. Consider that if you introduce air into the bottom of the cowling, it might have the opposite effect from what you want. If you pressurize the bottom of the cowling, you raise the pressure underneath the cylinders and heads, thereby discouraging flow from the top of the cowling (the baffled area) to bottom. The only inlet I'd add to the cowling other than the cooling air inlets that lead to the top of the engine would be a separate isolated intake that feeds the carburetor. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:40:07 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> KRnet World Record To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <003401c498de$cb5fee80$156cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well put Larry. I myself joined this list to increase my knowledge of the KR type aircraft and this was what led me to purchase the partially completed project that now resides in various locations in the house. (wife NOT impressed I might add) Although there are many people on this list that have much experience with KR's and actual flight time in completed projects, there are many, myself included that do not. The generally positive attitude and professional manner in which questions are dealt with is the very reason that this list and indeed the survival of the Rand design continues to flourish today long after Ken's untimely demise. To change that atmosphere now would, I fear signal the demise of both this list as well as continued design changes that have further improved upon what I believe to be an outstanding aircraft whether built to plans or highly modified. Each post has continued to provide much needed insight into the attributes as well as deficiencies of the design. As has been stated over and over results may vary. Keep up the fine work. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario. Ed, We have no "idiots" on the krnet, only the uninformed. Please offer your advise and guideance in a positive way. Thank you. Larry Flesner P.S. I don't like parents yelling at their kids in public either but that's not really "net" related. :-) ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:06:03 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007b01c498ea$c99aef80$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark J wrote: > The funds for the propeller bank are growing at a snails pace. Only > three people have made donations towards the prop bank since I took over the project from Mark Langford. There is a balance of $620 in the prop bank fund. We sure could use a lot more donations if we are going to make this work for us. < And let the record show that I forwarded the $550 that I collected from the sale of KRnet stickers, as well as some generous contributions from a few guys that really care to help other KR builders/pilots. That means that only seventy bucks has been contributed lately. Maybe that's OK though, if the rest of us will just throw an old prop in the kitty. I borrowed one from William Wynne (that came through Mark Jones first) that had a big crack in it and was unairworthy, but was perfect for ascertaining what my engine could turn static. This led to the decision to buy Steve Makish's "old" Sterba 52x66 that I think will be a good fit for my engine and speed. Even if you have a prop that you'd consider unflyable, it might do somebody some good in determining what prop their airplane can use. Something I've been planning to do is lobby each of the prop makers for a typical example of their KR prop, maybe one that's been returned, or maybe even a brand new one. If somebody discovers they can use it, they send Mark J a check for the full price, and Mark orders another one from that same prop maker to take its place. It's almost a "buy on consignment" deal, where the KR builder has the opportunity to try several different props, only having to pay the $20 in shipping and maybe another $30 for to the fund "for the service" if it doesn't work out. Fifty bucks is a cheap price to pay to find out for sure if a prop isn't right for your airplane. Since we're talking about props, I should mention that I talked to Troy last night, and he told me about Jeff Duval's new Culver prop. CNC machined and something like $500, delivered 14 days after ordering. Jeff is the lucky guy that flys the the KR2 that I tried to buy about 10 years ago, the only guy that managed to fly in to the "Columbia Fly-in" we had back in 1998. Jeff thinks he'll make it to the Gathering, and Troy has reservations as well... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:34:57 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22004901217345778@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mark Langford wrote: And let the record show that I forwarded the $550 that I collected from the > sale of KRnet stickers, as well as some generous contributions from a > few guys that really care to help other KR builders/pilots. That > means that only seventy bucks has been contributed lately. I made a contribution about two weeks ago. It was not a large contribution but it was certainly more than $7.00. Come on guys, My engine is about done and I need to borrow a prop. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Mark Langford > To: KRnet > Date: 9/12/2004 1:05:49 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank > > Mark J wrote: > > > The funds for the propeller bank are growing at a snails pace. Only three > people have made donations towards the prop bank since I took over the > project from Mark Langford. There is a balance of $620 in the prop > bank fund. We sure could use a lot more donations if we are going to > make this work for us. < > > And let the record show that I forwarded the $550 that I collected > from the > sale of KRnet stickers, as well as some generous contributions from a > few guys that really care to help other KR builders/pilots. That > means that only seventy bucks has been contributed lately. Maybe > that's OK though, if > the rest of us will just throw an old prop in the kitty. I borrowed > one from William Wynne (that came through Mark Jones first) that had a > big crack > in it and was unairworthy, but was perfect for ascertaining what my > engine could turn static. This led to the decision to buy Steve > Makish's "old" Sterba 52x66 that I think will be a good fit for my > engine and speed. Even > if you have a prop that you'd consider unflyable, it might do somebody some > good in determining what prop their airplane can use. > > Something I've been planning to do is lobby each of the prop makers > for a typical example of their KR prop, maybe one that's been returned, or maybe > even a brand new one. If somebody discovers they can use it, they send > Mark J a check for the full price, and Mark orders another one from > that same prop maker to take its place. It's almost a "buy on > consignment" deal, > where the KR builder has the opportunity to try several different > props, only having to pay the $20 in shipping and maybe another $30 > for to the fund > "for the service" if it doesn't work out. Fifty bucks is a cheap > price to pay to find out for sure if a prop isn't right for your > airplane. > > Since we're talking about props, I should mention that I talked to > Troy last > night, and he told me about Jeff Duval's new Culver prop. CNC > machined and > something like $500, delivered 14 days after ordering. Jeff is the > lucky guy that flys the the KR2 that I tried to buy about 10 years > ago, the only guy that managed to fly in to the "Columbia Fly-in" we > had back in 1998. Jeff thinks he'll make it to the Gathering, and Troy > has reservations as well... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:07:12 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <004e01c498f3$5458d800$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jack, Seventy ($70) have been donated since Mark L forwarded me the funds. That includes your donation which was greatly appreciated. I also have been pledged a 52x48 prop that will be shipped to me as soon as the owner receives his new prop. There is also a 60x61 which the owner will lend out if anyone is interested in that one. This can turn into a very worthy cause and will benefit many folks. Let's make it happen. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank > Mark Langford wrote: > > And let the record show that I forwarded the $550 that I collected > from the > > sale of KRnet stickers, as well as some generous contributions from > > a few > > guys that really care to help other KR builders/pilots. That means > > that only seventy bucks has been contributed lately. > > I made a contribution about two weeks ago. It was not a large > contribution but it was certainly more than $7.00. Come on guys, My > engine is about done > and I need to borrow a prop. > > Jack Cooper > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Mark Langford > > To: KRnet > > Date: 9/12/2004 1:05:49 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank > > > > Mark J wrote: > > > > > The funds for the propeller bank are growing at a snails pace. > > > Only > three > > people have made donations towards the prop bank since I took over > > the project from Mark Langford. There is a balance of $620 in the > > prop bank fund. We sure could use a lot more donations if we are > > going to make this > > work for us. < > > > > And let the record show that I forwarded the $550 that I collected > > from > the > > sale of KRnet stickers, as well as some generous contributions from > > a few > > guys that really care to help other KR builders/pilots. That means > > that only seventy bucks has been contributed lately. Maybe that's > > OK though, > if > > the rest of us will just throw an old prop in the kitty. I borrowed > > one from William Wynne (that came through Mark Jones first) that had > > a big > crack > > in it and was unairworthy, but was perfect for ascertaining what my engine > > could turn static. This led to the decision to buy Steve Makish's > > "old" Sterba 52x66 that I think will be a good fit for my engine and > > speed. > Even > > if you have a prop that you'd consider unflyable, it might do > > somebody > some > > good in determining what prop their airplane can use. > > > > Something I've been planning to do is lobby each of the prop makers > > for a > > typical example of their KR prop, maybe one that's been returned, or maybe > > even a brand new one. If somebody discovers they can use it, they send > > Mark J a check for the full price, and Mark orders another one from > > that same prop maker to take its place. It's almost a "buy on > > consignment" > deal, > > where the KR builder has the opportunity to try several different > > props, only having to pay the $20 in shipping and maybe another $30 > > for to the > fund > > "for the service" if it doesn't work out. Fifty bucks is a cheap > > price to > > pay to find out for sure if a prop isn't right for your airplane. > > > > Since we're talking about props, I should mention that I talked to > > Troy > last > > night, and he told me about Jeff Duval's new Culver prop. CNC > > machined > and > > something like $500, delivered 14 days after ordering. Jeff is the lucky > > guy that flys the the KR2 that I tried to buy about 10 years ago, > > the only > > guy that managed to fly in to the "Columbia Fly-in" we had back in > > 1998. Jeff thinks he'll make it to the Gathering, and Troy has > > reservations as well... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:18:20 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040912111316.02d6beb8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > The prop bank faces a couple potential problems: 1. Revmaster and Continental use a size 1 hub, all other VW engines use a size 0 hub. 2. Continental and the GP rear drive require props that rotate in the opposite direction from other VW engines. > There is also a 60x61 which the owner will lend out >if anyone is interested in that one. This can turn into a very worthy >cause and will benefit many folks. Let's make it happen. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:31:17 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006801c498f6$b1e26ec0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The 60x61 is SAE 1 off a C-85. The 52x48 is off a VW. We will have a variety of props for ALL engines. At least that is the plan. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank > > > > > The prop bank faces a couple potential problems: > 1. Revmaster and Continental use a size 1 hub, all other VW engines > use a size 0 hub. 2. Continental and the GP rear drive require props > that rotate in the opposite direction from other VW engines. > > > There is also a 60x61 which the owner will lend out > >if anyone is interested in that one. This can turn into a very worthy cause > >and will benefit many folks. Let's make it happen. > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:48:12 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: KR> FYI from EAA To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <00f301c498f9$0e5078d0$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Senator, Please strongly oppose a newly introduced bill by Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) Bill (H.R. 5035) would require the Department of Homeland Security to create a method of screening all passengers and property on each flight of all passenger aircraft in the U.S., including general aviation aircraft of all types. It would also prohibit any non-airline aircraft from flying within 1,500 feet of any structure or building, and prohibit non-airline aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a population of 1 million or more. It would further require that pilots of all aircraft in U.S. airspace remain in contact with the Federal Aviation Administration, presumably by radio, regardless of altitude or location. I am a GA pilot and believe this is un-nesessary, over-reactive and be very expensive, in the name of Home Land Security. We GA pilots are reponsible and follow the FAR's. We can do our own policing, and we do. Sincerely, Ron Eason 714KZ ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:14:15 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Try and fly or fly and fry? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004f01c4990d$767462a0$1e29d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net Thanks for all the good support. Since the heating problem is localized to cyl 3, I am expending my efforts to increase the flow of air around that cylinder. Toward that end, I spent the entire day reworking the baffles so that the cooling air must circulate around the rear most corner of the cylinder. I will also increase the opening to the now remotely located oil cooler. The cooler is B&M trans cooler and is now mounted in the bottom of the cowling with it's own air opening. The only negative is that the heated air from the cooler must mix with the remainder of the cowling air that is exiting the engine. I have at least 3 times more exit area then inlet. The engine has demonstrated that it will run cool once there is sufficient cool air entering the cowl, as in cruise flight. I spent yesterday evening reading topics under the search title of VW CHT. Most of the information and testimonials indicates that with the correct cooling that even engines up to 200 HP can be operated without overheating. Though I do wonder how many of these ground hugging buggy drivers push the throttle to the floor and try to leave it there for five minutes at a time. Most measurements are being taken from the spark plug. Most agree that the plug is the hottest spot. One VW aero engine supplier said to limit the full power runs to a max of 5 minutes. More then one article stated that high oil temp is a reaction to high head temp, and that cooling the oil without addressing the high CHT is not wise. I have about 2 more hours of baffle work and then it's back up for another flight test. All you golfer's know what the Ryder Cup is and it is being hosted about 10 miles from the airport. We hear about dignitaries of all sorts coming for a visit. We are afraid that our airspace may be taken for the remainder of next week, making flying difficult. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying to the gathering ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:02:19 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> FYI from EAA To: "Ron Eason" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c49914$2d1038d0$7c2c4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Do you have a web site or number for this Bastard,I hope he is up for reelection and gets his ass kicked. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "KR Net" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:48 PM Subject: KR> FYI from EAA > Senator, > > Please strongly oppose a newly introduced bill by Rep. Anthony Weiner > (D-N.Y.) Bill (H.R. 5035) would require the Department of Homeland Security > to create a method of screening all passengers and property on each > flight of all passenger aircraft in the U.S., including general > aviation aircraft of all types. It would also prohibit any non-airline > aircraft from flying within 1,500 feet of any structure or building, > and prohibit non-airline aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with > a population of 1 million or more. It would further require that > pilots of all aircraft in U.S. airspace > remain in contact with the Federal Aviation Administration, presumably > by radio, regardless of altitude or location. > > I am a GA pilot and believe this is un-nesessary, over-reactive and > be very > expensive, in the name of Home Land Security. We GA pilots are > reponsible and follow the FAR's. We can do our own policing, and we > do. > > Sincerely, > > Ron Eason > 714KZ > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:07:11 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" Subject: Re: KR> Try and fly or fly and fry? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" just a thought, for a given aera of inlet only so much cooling can be cramed in per unit of time. would it be possible to get more air in the same area by putting vortex generaters arround the inlet openings there-by smothing out turbulent air ? Mike Turner ----- Original Message ----- From: Orma To: KRnet Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:14 PM Subject: Re: KR> Try and fly or fly and fry? The engine has demonstrated that it will run cool once there is sufficient cool air entering the cowl, as in cruise flight. _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> FYI from EAA To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040913032012.32858.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This can't be true. No one is that insane. This is probably one of those internet hoaxes. I would check it out very thoroughly before I would get upset. If true, I would send money to his opponent. Ray --- Timothy Bellville wrote: > Do you have a web site or number for this Bastard,I > hope he is up for > reelection and gets his ass kicked. > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Eason" > To: "KR Net" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:48 PM > Subject: KR> FYI from EAA > > > > Senator, > > > > Please strongly oppose a newly introduced bill by > Rep. Anthony Weiner > > (D-N.Y.) Bill (H.R. 5035) would require the > Department of Homeland > Security > > to create a method of screening all passengers and > property on each flight > > of all passenger aircraft in the U.S., including > general aviation aircraft > > of all types. It would also prohibit any > non-airline aircraft from flying > > within 1,500 feet of any structure or building, > and prohibit non-airline > > aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a > population of 1 million or > > more. It would further require that pilots of all > aircraft in U.S. > airspace > > remain in contact with the Federal Aviation > Administration, presumably by > > radio, regardless of altitude or location. > > > > I am a GA pilot and believe this is un-nesessary, > over-reactive and be > very > > expensive, in the name of Home Land Security. We > GA pilots are reponsible > > and follow the FAR's. We can do our own policing, > and we do. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Ron Eason > > 714KZ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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