From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 119 Date: 9/13/2004 4:07:02 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. ref: H.R. 5035 (pole shed) 2. Re: ref: H.R. 5035 (ECLarsen81@aol.com) 3. Carbon Fiber (Jim Morehead) 4. Hole in spinner (Colin & Bev Rainey) 5. Re: ref: H.R. 5035 (Frlfarmer@wmconnect.com) 6. Countdown to the Gathering (Mark Jones) 7. RE: FYI from EAA (Wolfgang Decker) 8. Re: ref: H.R. 5035 (pole shed) 9. Re: ref: H.R. 5035 (Allen Wiesner ) 10. RE: Along the path (Elrod, Larry Ann Arbor) 11. New Mystery Navy jet (rparker) 12. computer projector (larry flesner) 13. baffles (larry flesner) 14. Re: New Mystery Navy jet (Ron Eason) 15. vortex generators (larry flesner) 16. More on U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y. (Ron Eason) 17. Re: KRnet World Record (Edward Seaman) 18. Aurora (rparker) 19. Re: baffles (orma@aviation-mechanics.com) 20. Re: FYI from EAA (Joachim Saupe) 21. Primer lines to Engine (JSMONDAY@aol.com) 22. Re: Primer lines to Engine (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 23. Primer lines to Engine (Oscar Zuniga) 24. Re: Primer lines to Engine (Mark Langford) 25. Re: KRnet World Record (larry flesner) 26. Last Call for shirts/hats (larry flesner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:56:12 -0700 (PDT) From: pole shed Subject: KR> ref: H.R. 5035 To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040913045612.1584.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did a quick search and couldnt find the bill number on the official US House webpages. It looks like the possibility of a hoax. Larry Lipe Carbondale,IL > This can't be true. No one is that insane. This is > probably one of those internet hoaxes. I would > check > it out very thoroughly before I would get upset. If > true, I would send money to his opponent. > Ray _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:23:02 EDT From: ECLarsen81@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> ref: H.R. 5035 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" This bill was recently reported in the AOPA online newsletter and the following is from the AOPA website; AOPA working the Hill to defeat ridiculous GA security bill The moment word first leaked out that Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) wanted to impose security restrictions on general aviation that exceed even those of the airlines, AOPA's Legislative Affairs staff sprung into action, lobbying against the bill. "This is preposterous, unrealistic, and unnecessary," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "General aviation is not a threat. The TSA has already said so. "The AOPA staff has outlined our strong opposition to the legislation in meetings with Republican and Democratic staff of the House aviation subcommittee. The association is also using its extensive network of relationships with key members of the subcommittee in fighting the bill." Weiner's bill, H.R. 5035, would mandate the same screening for all passengers and property aboard GA aircraft that is required for the airlines. It would also prohibit any aircraft other than an airliner from flying over cities with populations of 1 million or more, or operating within 1,500 feet of any building. "In light of everything that has already been done, requirements like those Rep. Weiner would impose would kill all of general aviation." (September 9) I and several of my friends have already written letters to our senators on the hill and are encouraging other to do so as well. A simple just say no is not sufficent, we as a flying community need to educate our elected officials to what the GA private sector really is, what it means to us, and the impact that the bill would have. The following is a clip from the letter I sent; I am a General Aviation Private Pilot and assist in the daily operations of one of hundreds of a small turf runway Public Utility Airports that are privately owned and operated. Typical of this type of operation, everyone knows one another at the airpark, and when strangers arrive they are treated much the same as someone that happens into your own backyard. The ramifications of this bill would require the filing and following of flights plans with radio communications by all pilots even when just wanting to go on a short jaunt for the sake of flying, or maybe a few rounds of the pattern to practice landings and take off, or to visit friends at a neighboring town, something as similar as riding a bike, boating, or skiing for enjoyment, which by the very same nature in the simplest forms, are not all equipped with electric's let alone radio capabilities I believe that portions of this bill are unnecessary and overreactive and would be a very expensive endeavor to enact and police in the name of Home Land Security. It would surely require such extensive steps that for an Airpark such as ours and others like it, would add the final straw, closing the doors and runways, a domino effect that would ensure the death of the general aviation private sector and all the employment associated with the supply of these type of recreational vehicles. We GA private pilots are as responsible as any recreational vehicle owner and follow the stricter rules set forth in the Federal Regulations that govern us. We can do our own policing, and we do. If we enact such bills into law, what is the next step? Boats on the water, cars in the streets, bicycles, skateboards, skis and roller skates? Which backpack do we inspect and by whom, prior to a child entering a school or public building? As our elected officials, you represent us, we entrust you to make sound and sane judgments that effect all of our lives and the way by which we live them. I trust you to oppose this one and offer intelligent and researched information to your colleagues so that they may make the proper choices as well. Sincerely, Edward C. Larsen prior USAF: SSgt, 321MSS GFAB, ND owner: Luscombe 8A, N3535G builder: Experimental Sonerai in process DBA: Larsen Flying Service Airport: Larsen Airpark 43G, Belleville, MI In a message dated 9/13/2004 12:56:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pshed@yahoo.com writes: did a quick search and couldnt find the bill number on the official US House webpages. It looks like the possibility of a hoax. Larry Lipe Carbondale,IL > This can't be true. No one is that insane. This is > probably one of those internet hoaxes. I would > check > it out very thoroughly before I would get upset. If > true, I would send money to his opponent. > Ray ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:29:29 -0700 From: Jim Morehead Subject: KR> Carbon Fiber To: KR- Net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Netters, Does anyone that is going to the Gathering have a 12 x 12 inch ³scrap² of carbon fiber that you would be willing to part with? If so and you are willing to bring it to Mt. Vernon, contact me off the net so we can make a deal. Mark Jones, how many more days until the Gathering? Jim Morehead Cameron Park,CA kr2jm@d-web.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:24:36 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Hole in spinner To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a401c4997b$dec276d0$63472141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" First Mark thank you for learned insights, points that I will remember too. Orma a thought came to mind: on the Piper Aztec the spinner had a small hole drilled in the tip, maybe 1/8" in diameter that was supposed to increase flow into the cooling ports that Piper said they found was actually being diverted around the cowling due to the stack up of air pressure in front of the spinner. By drilling the hole in the tip of the spinner and then having slightly oversized clearance cutouts for the blades, which were constant speed so they have larger openings than fixed pitch anyway. They said this caused a suction through the tip enough to promote more airflow through the cooling ports. They also added louvers to one side to balance cooling since the venturi effect was drawing air away from the inboard side of the cowling. Maybe some louvers in the slipstream would promote more airflow through the side with # 3 cyl. Just some non-expert thoughts... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:25:04 EDT From: Frlfarmer@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR> ref: H.R. 5035 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <46.585361b8.2e76cf80@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" check it out http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/R?d108:FLD003:@1(rep+weiner): ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:04:59 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Countdown to the Gathering To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <003b01c49981$831c08e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 10 days..........for some reason, I start getting real excited every year about this same time. Wonder why? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:36:21 -0400 From: "Wolfgang Decker" Subject: RE: KR> FYI from EAA To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Unfortunately it seems to be true. Go to EAA's webpage and check out the news from last week. EAA sent a newscast by e-mail last week announcing that this highly insane and populistic proposal was announced on the Senate's floor. I guess it is up to us to take as much action as possible to work against it. Wolfgang -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Ray Fuenzalida Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 11:20 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> FYI from EAA This can't be true. No one is that insane. This is probably one of those internet hoaxes. I would check it out very thoroughly before I would get upset. If true, I would send money to his opponent. Ray --- Timothy Bellville wrote: > Do you have a web site or number for this Bastard,I > hope he is up for > reelection and gets his ass kicked. > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Eason" > To: "KR Net" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:48 PM > Subject: KR> FYI from EAA > > > > Senator, > > > > Please strongly oppose a newly introduced bill by > Rep. Anthony Weiner > > (D-N.Y.) Bill (H.R. 5035) would require the > Department of Homeland > Security > > to create a method of screening all passengers and > property on each flight > > of all passenger aircraft in the U.S., including > general aviation aircraft > > of all types. It would also prohibit any > non-airline aircraft from flying > > within 1,500 feet of any structure or building, > and prohibit non-airline > > aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a > population of 1 million or > > more. It would further require that pilots of all > aircraft in U.S. > airspace > > remain in contact with the Federal Aviation > Administration, presumably by > > radio, regardless of altitude or location. > > > > I am a GA pilot and believe this is un-nesessary, > over-reactive and be > very > > expensive, in the name of Home Land Security. We > GA pilots are reponsible > > and follow the FAR's. We can do our own policing, > and we do. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Ron Eason > > 714KZ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: pole shed Subject: Re: KR> ref: H.R. 5035 To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040913115932.97729.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting that a search through the Congressional Record last night said the bill number didn't exist. Larry Lipe Carbondale,IL _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:01:15 -0400 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> ref: H.R. 5035 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003901c49989$5ff24a20$0000a398@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >check it out >http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/R?d108:FLD003:@1(rep+weiner): That doesn't seem to work but look at item 24 of the "Bills Sponsored by Congressman Weiner" line of this congresscritter's web site. http://www.house.gov/weiner/legis.htm Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:33:59 -0500 From: "Elrod, Larry Ann Arbor" Subject: RE: KR> Along the path To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <12F2E18D680DD311B03D0000F8059A1536D8F9@vhaannexc1.v11.med.va.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would like to go, but my KR2 is still on sawhorses! Larry Elrod Ypsilanti, MI -----Original Message----- From: Orma [mailto:orma@aviation-mechanics.com] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:34 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Along the path Hello Again Is there anyone between Michigan and Mt Vernon Ill that would like to join up and arrive at the gathering together as a flight of two? Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:13:24 -0500 From: "rparker" Subject: KR> New Mystery Navy jet To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040913131324.12147.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FYI, I just received 2 picture of what could be the Aurora aircraft. I have a couple of friends looking into it. I posted them to one of my websites. thought you guys might be interested in seeing it if you havent already. http://www.vsoep.com/Aurora1.jpg http://www.vsoep.com/Aurora2.jpg Anybody think they can make their KR look like it? Rich Parker Peterborough, NH ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:19:25 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> computer projector To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040913081925.0084d180@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Netters, Is there anyone attending the Gathering that has access to a computer projector for a "power point" type presentation and if so could you bring it to the Gathering? Thanks, Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:20:00 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> baffles To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040913082000.00795370@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Orma, The 0-200 has "air blocker" plates between and on the bottom side of the cylinders to force all cooling air to move through the cooling fins only. Same for front and rear baffles. If your baffles allow any air to move from the top to the bottom inside the cowl anywhere but through the cylinder fins you need to close the area down. It doesn't take LARGE inlets to cool. I actually made mine smaller than what the cowl started out and my 0-200 runs at 300 to 325 CHT and 180 to 210 on the oil temp and I don't have an oil cooler. You need good tight seals, a lower pressure on the bottom side, and don't let any air through without touching the cooling fins. To get better outflow on the bottom a small down-turned lip can be added to the exit hole. You will see that lip on some "certified" spam cans on the ramp. That's what it's for. It is a small increase in drag but creates a low pressure area at the exit to help "suck" the cooling air down and out. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:34:43 -0700 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> New Mystery Navy jet To: rparker , KRnet Message-ID: <200409130634.AA204603760@jrl-engineering.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is exciting! Ron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "rparker" Reply-To: rparker , KRnet Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:13:24 -0500 FYI, I just received 2 picture of what could be the Aurora aircraft. I have a couple of friends looking into it. I posted them to one of my websites. thought you guys might be interested in seeing it if you havent already. http://www.vsoep.com/Aurora1.jpg http://www.vsoep.com/Aurora2.jpg Anybody think they can make their KR look like it? Rich Parker Peterborough, NH _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at jrl-engineering.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:48:25 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> vortex generators To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040913084825.007bf100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" would it be possible to get more air in the same area by putting vortex generaters arround the inlet openings there-by smothing out turbulent air ? > Mike Turner ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mike, I think the purpose of vortex generators is to "create" turblent air, hence the name. If anything, you might want some baffles that smooth out and direct the airflow. Vortex generators on the wing creates a turbulent flow that helps to keep the airflow "stuck" to the wing at higher angles of attach. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:12:25 -0700 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: KR> More on U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y. To: , KRnet Message-ID: <200409130812.AA770310260@jrl-engineering.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Shortsighted ... ridiculous ... outrageous ... lunacy ... these are just a few of the terms that quickly filled the air after U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) introduced a bill into the House last week that would impose onerous security procedures on general aviation. The bill (H.R. 5035) would require the Department of Homeland Security to ensure the screening of all passengers and property on each flight of every passenger aircraft in the U.S. -- including general aviation aircraft of all types. It would also prohibit any non-airline aircraft from flying within 1,500 feet of any structure or building and prohibit non-airline aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a population of 1 million or more. Land of the free, home of the brave. It would further require that pilots of all aircraft in U.S. airspace remain in contact with the FAA, presumably by radio, regardless of altitude or location. "It's sad that the solemn anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks is being used to introduce this bill, which does nothing to enhance security and smacks of election-year grandstanding," said EAA's Doug Macnair, vice president of government relations. "Preposterous, unrealistic, and unnecessary," were the choice words from AOPA President Phil Boyer. "General aviation is not a threat. The TSA has already said so." ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at jrl-engineering.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:03:19 +0100 (BST) From: Edward Seaman Subject: Re: KR> KRnet World Record To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040913170319.86597.qmail@web25306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We have no "idiots" on the krnet, only the uninformed. Please offer your advise and guideance in a positive way. Thank you. >>> You are absolutely right - sincerest apologies to all. I knew I was pushing it, but hoped to make general point re trimming the excess. I would have felt just a bit better if it had any good effect, but it gas sadly made zero difference. Ed ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:42:44 -0500 From: "rparker" Subject: KR> Aurora To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040913174245.11960.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok the gig is up. I was thinking there was no way that a mach 7 aircraft could have that much wing area and especially aileron. I was told it was a cardboard mock up for a movie and sent another picture. Rich Parker Peterborough, NH rparker@wwhotspots.com http://theparkers.wwhotspots.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:12:22 -0400 From: Subject: Re: KR> baffles To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001c01c499bd$3825da50$9f9dd145@robbinsavm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK Netters Here is the final read in the "When she's hot she's hot" saga. There are baffels and there are baffels. Once I relocated the rear baffle of the #3 cylinder, the temp never went up. I put her in the pattern this morning and continued to make 3 take off and taxi backs to the takeoff position. I did not have to power back or make shallow climbs. On climb out, the temp stayed lower then 350. That was measured on top of the plug hole. After seeing this drastic change in temps, I would have to say that if your CHT exceeds 400, start looking for the cause. As I have not used much boost, I expect that the temp will go up some as I squeez for more power. The oil temp did climb to 210 by the time I finished the 3 takeoff's. It is lucky that the engine can withstand all the higher temps that I put it through while trying to resolve the problem. It may be correct that on top of the plug is a poor location, but there is no need for the temp to sky rocket if the baffling is installed correct. Any way so ends my saga and now my hopes for making it to the gathering look a lot brighter. Oh by the way, the engine opened up after I leveled off at pattern altitude. With the waste gate closed, the engine ran 3300 with a MP of 31. If this is repeated on the next few flights, I will be forced to use more pitch on the IVO prop. The next flight I may leave the pattern and see what kind of speed the KR does. Some time over the course of the next 9 days I will also start adding sand bags to test for gross weight takeoffs. Orma L. Robbins A&P/IA KR-2 N110LR Southfield, MI ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:31:48 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: Re: KR> FYI from EAA To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22004911318314893@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII It's true, I got the info through an EAA Chapter Gram. This guy has NO clue what GA is all about. You can get more info at http://www.eaa.org. To counter this bill (H.R. 5035) contact your congressional representative (info at http://www.house.gov), tell them that you are a constituent and that you want them to oppose H.R. 5035. Joachim > [Original Message] > From: Ray Fuenzalida > To: KRnet > Date: 9/12/2004 10:21:04 PM > Subject: Re: KR> FYI from EAA > > This can't be true. No one is that insane. This is > probably one of those internet hoaxes. I would check > it out very thoroughly before I would get upset. If > true, I would send money to his opponent. > Ray > > --- Timothy Bellville > wrote: > > > Do you have a web site or number for this Bastard,I > > hope he is up for > > reelection and gets his ass kicked. > > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron Eason" > > To: "KR Net" > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:48 PM > > Subject: KR> FYI from EAA > > > > > > > Senator, > > > > > > Please strongly oppose a newly introduced bill by > > Rep. Anthony Weiner > > > (D-N.Y.) Bill (H.R. 5035) would require the > > Department of Homeland > > Security > > > to create a method of screening all passengers and > > property on each flight > > > of all passenger aircraft in the U.S., including > > general aviation aircraft > > > of all types. It would also prohibit any > > non-airline aircraft from flying > > > within 1,500 feet of any structure or building, > > and prohibit non-airline > > > aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a > > population of 1 million or > > > more. It would further require that pilots of all > > aircraft in U.S. > > airspace > > > remain in contact with the Federal Aviation > > Administration, presumably by > > > radio, regardless of altitude or location. > > > > > > I am a GA pilot and believe this is un-nesessary, > > over-reactive and be > > very > > > expensive, in the name of Home Land Security. We > > GA pilots are reponsible > > > and follow the FAR's. We can do our own policing, > > and we do. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Ron Eason > > > 714KZ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:34:50 EDT From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Subject: KR> Primer lines to Engine To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <6b.339bb0e4.2e775e6a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Can anyone please tell me where the primer lines should enter the engine? I think I have seen a picture recently but can't find it that showed the primer lines entering the intake log. Also what size hole and thread size should be used? Thanks, John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:27:55 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Primer lines to Engine To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040913.152756.540.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:34:50 EDT JSMONDAY@aol.com writes: > Can anyone please tell me where the primer lines should enter the > engine? > I think I have seen a picture recently but can't find it that showed the > primer lines entering the intake log. Primer lines typically enter the intake with a primer nozzle anywhere between the carb and the intake valves. A and C series Continentals typically have a single primer nozzle just above the carb in the intake spider. Lycomings usually have a primer nozzle threaded into the head just in front of the intake valve. I used a Continental style single primer nozzle in the intake manifold just behind the carb on a VW that I built for my Avid Flyer that worked well. > > Also what size hole and thread size should be used? The primer nozzles are typically 1/8" NPT on the nozzle end that screws into the manifold. Jeff Scott ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:09:24 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Primer lines to Engine To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed John asks- >Can anyone please tell me where the primer lines should enter the >engine? If you're talking about the Corvair engine, he obvious place is at the base of the carb mounting pad, where there is already a hole and where fuel can go right into the log. There are small tubes sticking out but you pull those and tap the hole to receive the primer fittings. You can see pictures of this on William Wynne's Pietenpol setup, starboard and port, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/WWVair05.jpg and WWVair07.jpg >Also what size hole and thread size should be used? I believe I tapped the hole for 1/8" NPT for the brass fitting shown, and I believe I got the primer fittings from Aircraft Spruce, info on the bits and pieces at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/primerfittings.php If you're talking about something other than the Corvair, I can't help you! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:02:39 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Primer lines to Engine To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d801c499dd$62e678b0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And just in case you missed Jeff's reference to "primer nozzle", you don't want just a plain fitting there, you need one with a tiny orifice in it. This does two things...sprays a fine stream into the manifold for better atomization, and in the event that the line breaks or comes off, it'll only be a small vacuum leak, not a huge one. Wicks sells what they call "AN4023 primer fittings", but you'll also need an AN800 code union for each one, as well as an AN805 nut. They are all right there together on page 153 of the newest catalog. These fittings are made for use with 1/8" copper line. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:45:39 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> KRnet World Record To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040913174539.007b1dd0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > We have no "idiots" on the krnet, only the >uninformed. Please offer your advise and guideance in >a positive way. Thank you. >>>+++++++++++++++++++++ >You are absolutely right - sincerest apologies to >all. I knew I was pushing it, but hoped to make >general point re trimming the excess. >Ed ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ed, I think we all agreed with the point you were making, just not the way you were making it. I'm sure I speak for all when I say "apology accepted". Might be a good time for Mark L. to repost the "Net rules". Now let's get back to KR business. How many days till the Gathering????? Larry Flesner - 93.5 hours and counting!! :-) ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:00:35 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Last Call for shirts/hats To: jsaupe6848@earthlink.net,KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040913180035.007ac100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Netters, I'm making this "last call" for shirts and hats for the Gathering. I hope they all get finished in time as my neighbors four head embroidery machine is on the fritz! I'll have a few extra beyond what has been requested (100+ shirts) and a few extra hats. Continue to preregister if you haven't already done so for the other info. E-mail me direct < flesner@midwest.net> if you have to cancel out and I'll put your shirt/hat request back in the for sale stack. If you want it mailed, that will be extra and we'll get to that later. Just let me know. Larry Flesner - Gathering host 2004 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 119 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================