From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 121 Date: 6/27/2004 5:09:03 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Airfoil ARC files. (StRaNgEdAyS) 2. Center spar lengths? (StRaNgEdAyS) 3. Good Morning Netters (Dan Heath) 4. Template Questions? (StRaNgEdAyS) 5. Re: Center spar lengths? (StRaNgEdAyS) 6. Closing the Outboard spars? (StRaNgEdAyS) 7. testing... (Mark Langford) 8. missing emails (Mark Langford) 9. Re: insterment question (Mark Langford) 10. Re: brakes (Mark Langford) 11. Re: lost messages? (Mark Langford) 12. Re: Inspection results (Colin & Bev Rainey) 13. Re: lost messages? (Colin & Bev Rainey) 14. High alt (Colin & Bev Rainey) 15. RE: Closing the Outboard spars? (Brian Kraut) 16. RE: Closing the Outboard spars? (StRaNgEdAyS) 17. RE: Pine Bluff 2001 Pics (Steve Glover) 18. Template Questions (StRaNgEdAyS) 19. Re: Template Questions (Mark Langford) 20. RE: High Alt, Larger Wing Span (Wolfgang Decker) 21. RE: Pine Bluff 2001 Pics (Dan Heath) 22. Getting closer (lee van dyke) 23. Re: Foam type (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 24. Re: KR structural analysis (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 25. Re: KRs and taxes (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 26. Re: tire pressure? (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 27. Re: KR2 project value, etc (Dan Heath) 28. LAST CHANCE TO BUY (J) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:09:35 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: KR> Airfoil ARC files. To: Message-ID: <40DE80BF.000013.02628@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain Hey there KRnetters I have uploaded to my FTP a pair of .ARC files for use with DesignFOIL or other similar program. I made them from the co-ordinates posted on the new airfoils link so I could easily plot the new airfoils into Rhino3D for use with my design ideas. I am drawing the plane out in CAD and running a quick check on it before I start anything. If anyone wants a copy, you can get them from: http://members.dodo.com.au/~peteandsarah/AS5045.ARC http://members.dodo.com.au/~peteandsarah/AS5048.ARC Cheers, Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:24:57 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: KR> Center spar lengths? To: Message-ID: <40DEA079.000017.02628@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain I am working out some of my modification ideas for my KR2S, and I have noticed a slight discrepancy in between the plans and the book. The plans call for a front spar of 83" overall length with a 84" overall length for the rear spar. The book says to do both 83". Since the Book is primarily for the KR2, then should I go with the plans then, of is it more than likely a typo and stick with the book dimensions? Cheers, Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:35:05 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Good Morning Netters To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40DEA2D9.000003.01588@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just thought I would see if the net is still working. Have not received any messages from the net since yesterday morning. Still painting. I found that it takes a day of preparation to do 1 hour of painting. "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:51:21 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: KR> Template Questions? To: Message-ID: <40DEA6A9.00001B.02628@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain Hey there all, I downloaded the PDF templates for the AS5045/8 airfoils. While the root airfoil is marked as AS5048, (as I expected) I noticed the tip airfoil is marked as being AS5046 instead of AS5045. Is this just a typo or did I D/L the incorrect file? Cheers. Peter Bancks. strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:03:35 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> Center spar lengths? To: Message-ID: <40DEA987.00001D.02628@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" D'OH! I just answered my own question... sorry guys 'n' gals, The 2 pages were stuck together, I only noticed it 'cos it looked a little too thick! Turns out the book AND the plans are in agreement! *wanders off feeling rather silly and slightly embarrased* Cheers, Pete. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:02:52 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: KR> Closing the Outboard spars? To: Message-ID: <40DEE19C.000025.02628@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain Hey there all, I notice it says in the plans that the outboard spars are covered with ply on one side only, but it seems from viewing the sites, that they have been completely closed in? Is this the case, and if so, why do it, if it isn't called for, wouldn't it be adding that much extra weight? Forgive me if I sound a little stuck on this weight issue, but it's important for me to remain as much under 1200lbs MTOW(gross) as possible. Cheers, Peter Bancks. strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:21:55 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> testing... To: "KRnet" Cc: Mark Langford Message-ID: <023601c45c5a$7b55d050$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've received several messages that nobody's KRnet messages are being posted AT ALL now, rather than just some of them. Well, I guess that's one sure way to help figure out what's broke! The folks at mylist.net are checking on this. If something happens and we have to set up another list somewhere, I'll provide instructions at http://www.krnet.org/info.html , but that shouldn't have to happen. The CorvAircraft list is on the same server and has no such problems, so it's a problem that should have a solution, even if it means deleting the old list and starting up another one using the same member list. We'll see how it goes. So be patient... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:20:57 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> missing emails To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <029201c45c6b$1bf9d370$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I guess they finally found 'em! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:31:02 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> insterment question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02c601c45c6c$87779140$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" somebody wrote: > i was looking at your insterment set up and to the right of your > switch set > up is a small black box i just wanted to know what that was? im new to > the form but it is full of great info thank u I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, but way over to the far right is the remote for the ELT (emergency locator transmitter), and above the breakers is the Engine Information System. There are more details at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kpanel.html . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:46:26 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> brakes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <032f01c45c6e$ab8ba470$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wayne Williams wrote: > Mark Langford, > Did you have to cut some threads off of your brake cylinders in order > for them both to fit behind (from seated position) the horizontals of your pedals? No. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:02:40 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> lost messages? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <036f01c45c70$f042f8f0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim Moorehead wrote: > Who did you order your seatbelts from? Hooker Harness at http://www.hookerharness.com/default.htm . They would have cost about $400 for the set (I was going to buy the 2" "commercial" with the lift up latch), but I got crazy at the last minute and bought the rotary ratchet latches, which pushed it up to almost $700! There are other good places to get seat belts (like GPASC, Diest, etc), and I'm sure some folks will point that out, but I wanted mine to be the color I wanted, and to be a perfect fit. They ought to be, for that kind of money... Looks like now we're getting all of our messages TWICE! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:02:29 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: Re: KR> Inspection results To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009101c45c70$e988b680$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have to call them back out. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:11:00 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: Re: KR> lost messages? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00f001c45c72$1a113920$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Biennial Flight Review Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:30:07 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> High alt To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011101c45c74$c62df980$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Peter and netters Just want to make sure that all informed properly. The best rate of climb speed DOES decrease with altitude, while the best angle of climb INCREASES with altitude. Best rate of climb is simply the most altitude in the least amount of time. Best ANGLE of climb is the most altitude in the shortest distance traveled regardless of the time required to attain. When we climb for normal non-obstructed airport departure paths we use best rate of climb, which ends up being the most efficient for time and fuel. When clearing obstructions, as in a short field situation, we use best angle of climb because we need to clear objects in a short distance, and time is not the critical factor, but rather how far we travel. These two different speeds begin converging as we climb higher, and it is at the point where they converge that is the service ceiling of the aircraft. When the aircraft all but quits climbing, approximately 50fpm best rate (Vy ) and best angle (Vx) have met. When she won't climb at all anymore, that is the absolute ceiling, at 0fpm. Indicated stall speed will remain the same at all altitudes, even though the actual has increased, but the indicated Vy and Vx speeds will converge at a constant for a given aircraft. This is consistent regardless of the aircraft you fly. These numbers need to be established during your test period in order to know in advance how your version of the KR is going to perform under given circumstances. Prop, engine power, wing, weight will all have an effect on these numbers. Finishing my dual stick install (story later) and dressing up the wiring.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:31:08 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Closing the Outboard spars? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The 2S has ply on both sides. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of StRaNgEdAyS Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:03 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Closing the Outboard spars? Hey there all, I notice it says in the plans that the outboard spars are covered with ply on one side only, but it seems from viewing the sites, that they have been completely closed in? Is this the case, and if so, why do it, if it isn't called for, wouldn't it be adding that much extra weight? Forgive me if I sound a little stuck on this weight issue, but it's important for me to remain as much under 1200lbs MTOW(gross) as possible. Cheers, Peter Bancks. strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:28:17 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: RE: KR> Closing the Outboard spars? To: Message-ID: <40DF2DE1.00002B.02628@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "The 2S has ply on both sides." Thanks for clearing that up for me Brian. :-) Cheers, Pete. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:32:56 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> Pine Bluff 2001 Pics To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Richard still has one or maybe the most awesome KR that I have ever > seen on the ramp or in the air. I really missed seeing that plane last year. If all goes well, Richard DShirley, Richard Seifert, and I will be flying our KR's back this year. Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, CA. ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:18:17 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: KR> Template Questions To: Message-ID: <40DF3999.00002F.02628@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain Try #2...hehehe Hey there all, I downloaded the PDF templates for the AS5048/5 airfoils. While the root airfoil is marked as AS5048, (as I expected) I noticed the tip airfoil is marked as being AS5046 instead of AS5045. Is this just a typo or did I D/L the incorrect file? Cheers. Peter Bancks. strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:24:38 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Template Questions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <03f301c45c8d$275d5a30$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Peter Bancks wrote: > I downloaded the PDF templates for the AS5048/5 airfoils. While the > root airfoil is marked as AS5048, (as I expected) I noticed the tip > airfoil is marked as being AS5046 instead of AS5045. Is this just a > typo or did I D/L the incorrect file? It's a long story, but what you have is correct, and the only templates that taper from one airfoil to another. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: "StRaNgEdAyS" To: Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: KR> Template Questions > Try #2...hehehe > > Hey there all, > I downloaded the PDF templates for the AS5048/5 airfoils. While the > root airfoil is marked as AS5048, (as I expected) I noticed the tip > airfoil is marked as being AS5046 instead of AS5045. Is this just a > typo or did I D/L the incorrect file? Cheers. > Peter Bancks. > strangedays@dodo.com.au > http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com > http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:50:34 -0400 From: "Wolfgang Decker" Subject: RE: KR> High Alt, Larger Wing Span To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Larry, a larger wing span indeed would help, provided that the airfoil is appropriate. It is not necessarily true, that the larger wing span produces more drag, on the contrary. Drag from the wing is created in two ways: the first is the drag that is associated with the specific lift you create at specific speeds. That correlation can be found for every airfoil in form of the CL/CD (Coefficient of Lift vs. Coefficient of Drag) diagrams. This is the diagram were the plotted graph typically looks like a crooked C. The other part of the drag is created by the fact that the wing is limited in span, so there is a flow of air from the bottom of the wing towards the top of the wing going around the edge of the wing. This is what creates the vortices at the end of the wing, and that is why some poeple put winglets on the wing end - to prevent this cross flow of air. This darg is by the way called the induced drag. The drag created by this flow is a multiple of the drag created by the lift. If you want to build a low drag aircraft, you try to build with maximum wing span and a maximum lenght to depth ratio. This way you can minimize induced drag. This is done with high performance gliders. A good example is the new "eta" aircraft, information about which can be found in www.leichtbau.de/eta . This glider has a wingspan of more than 100 feet, and it's best glide ratio is somewhere close to 70. (Imagine this, you glide 70 miles with loosing only 1 mile altitude). And yes, these gliders can go fast (140 mph or faster!!). One last thing: Gliders certified in Germany need to fulfill +7/-4 g load requirement, if it is approved for acrobatics it is +11/-7g. Remember, as a glider pilot you love to fly right into turbulent air, a.k.a. thermals. On a good day it can be gut wrenching, but exhilirating. If you catch a thermal that takes you up with about 1,500 fpm it's rough flying, but looking at the altimeter as it turns so quickly and all that without any engine, that's what's great about glider flying. Anyway, bottom line is: If you can increase your wingspan with paying the penalty of excessive more weight, and if you are sure that the the spars can carry the additional loads it certainly will help at higher altitude. Wolfgang -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+wdecker=cox.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+wdecker=cox.net@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry severson Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:34 AM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> High Alt > >Let's see if I understand... If I want better climb on a hot day or at >high altitudes, what is it that I need? OH, I know, longer wings. Darn, >I think I >just flunked. OH OH, now I know, it's POWER. Gee, I guess that those powered gliders are just a figment of my imagination and lying marketeers. Longer wings do increase drag, but they also increase lift, reduce stall speed, and make possible flight with a less powerful engine. As they said at school, with enough power one can make a brick fly, but if power is restricted one had better give the vehicle enough wing area to lift the brick. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:02:27 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Pine Bluff 2001 Pics To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40DF5203.000005.01976@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If all goes well, Richard DShirley, Richard Seifert, and I will be flying our KR's back this year. Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, CA. Steve, that is great news. I tried to reply to your attached e-mail address and it came back. I look forward to meeting you and seeing the Richards again. ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:42:13 -0700 From: "lee van dyke" Subject: KR> Getting closer To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c45ca0$618a68c0$8101a8c0@robb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, Great strives have been made on my KR2 in the past 3 weeks. Thanks to my father being able to come to Arizona for 3 weeks, we were able to sand primer and paint the entire airplane. A new tail wheel and spring will be here next week, along with a new control arm for the elevator. I'm going with a push rod under the seat. The motor is on and the cowling has been put on to get ready for the new exhaust. The new trim tab is now been mounted. Some of you may have read some of my E-mails in the past re: the removal and rebuilding of the elevator. I would not wish that task on anybody. I will add the recent photos that i have taken to my web site soon. I now need help with hooking up and wiring my 1835 VW, Lee Van Dyke vandyke5.com lee@vandyke5.com N783JB ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:25:21 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Foam type To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040627.195441.764.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And poly foam will form an insulator aroung the hot wire, Virg On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:55:35 +1000 "StRaNgEdAyS" writes: > Jim said: > "the former builder did say that that this foam can not be cut with > a hot > wire device due to the toxic gas that it would emit" > > This is a good point. > While polyurethane foams can be cut with a hot wire, it would be > inadvisable > to do so without very good ventilation and breathing apparatus as > they do > release copious amounts of poisonous fumes. One thing to watch out > for is > just how fast that 2 part expanding foam takes off, a little goes a > looooong > way. If you really want a good laugh, mix 200ml (8Oz) of each in an > ice > cream bucket and put it on the floor of an old car (with windows > intact) and > shut the door.... > Cheers. > Peter Bancks > strangedays@dodo.com.au > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:51:28 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> KR structural analysis To: kr2@spottedowl.biz,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040627.195441.764.3.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You bought accepted KR Plans. Build to plans. Want to change something, YOU prove that it will work as it is NOT a KR any more, Virg On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:23:41 -0500 "Wesley Scott" writes: > Jeanette did say that she would be willing to provide a summary. I > didn't > ask what it would cost. She also said if you had a specific > question about > a small area, such as the firewall (her choice of part) she might be > willing > to extract that section of the analysis. > > It sounded a lot like she paid for it and doesn't think anyone else > needs > it. She did say that the KR planes have been analyzed several times > and > alway found to be overbuilt. I think a lot of it is a matter of not > wanting > to be helpful to design changes. Her opinion was that if you were > going to > be making changes then you should be willing to pay an engineer by > the hour > to analyze the changes. > > She also said that it was a lot easier to do now with computers than > the way > they had to do it in the old days. > > For those of us who don't have access to a finite element analysis > program, > the hand written data and calculations would be useful. This should > be a > case of, "it may take a structural engineer to perform the analysis, > but any > engineer should be able to understand the results." > > -- > wesley scott > kr2@spottedowl.biz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Kraut" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: KR> KR structural analysis > > > > I would imagine that back in the 70s it was a bunch of hand > written data > and calculations. I suspect that even if you had it you would need > to be a > structural engineer to understand it and in that case you could > probably > redo it on a computer in less time than reviewing what Ken did. > > > > I would also not be surprised to find that the spars and a few > other major > items were calculated and a lot of the rest was eyeballed and fudge > factored. I am not criticizing the design at all by saying this. I > am sure that a lot of homebuilts are designed this way and we know > that the KR is > very structurarly sound. > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: "Dan Heath" > > Reply-To: KRnet > > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:47:49 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) > > > > >Did you ask her why you can't get the complete analysis? Can you > get any > > >part of the analysis? > > > > > > > > > > > >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > > > > >"There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time > for > > >building has long since expired." > > > > > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > > > >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:23:22 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> KRs and taxes To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040627.195441.764.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Florida tax starts the day you are finnaly signes off by the FAA and restrictions flown off. it is not a viable aircraft during the testing stage, Virg On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:48:29 -0400 "Brian Kraut" writes: > There have been some discussions on the RV news group lately on > taxes. It > seems some people have had tax assessors assess a value to their > uncompleted > projects and tax them on it. I know that there are a few > accountants on > this list. What kind of tax do you get on an uncompleted project? > I assume > it is a state tax and varies by state? How do they even know you > have a > project? Do they tax you as soon as you register it and they get > information from the FAA? Would I be better off registering my > project now > while it is only worth a few thousand instead of waiting until it is > worth a > lot more? > > Any advice, particularly from people with experience in Florida > would be > appreciated. > > I bought my last KR already flying and the state sales tax people > contacted > me for their cut. I don't know how it is done when you build it. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:06:04 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> tire pressure? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040627.195441.764.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I read somewhere 25#, Virg On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:10:26 -0700 "Ryan" writes: > Mark, > > The Longez uses this size tire and with a take off weight of 1000-1100 > pounds 70 psi would be about right. > > I set my tire pressure based on sidewall flex, with a side to side > force > exerted > there should be little movement. Start high and work down on the > pressure. > > Ryan > Tri-Q1... N2XV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:27 AM > Subject: KR> tire pressure? > > > > Any KR pilots have an opinion on what kind of tire pressure I > should use > in > > my 11x4.00-5 tires? They say max inflation pressure of 70 psi, > but I > doubt > > that's a good starting point. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:58:32 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 project value, etc To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40DF5F28.000007.01976@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: I'm going to print that out and use it to prove to the state tax folks how little these things can be worth, despite the money that's been put into them. I had a lot of discussion with our tax people about the value they placed on N886KR and my argument to them was exactly that. I think they finally agreed to $7500, but cannot remember for sure. Count the number of KRs that have sold for over $10,000 and you may not need a whole hand to do it. Mark, thanks for the tip, documentation should limit the length of the argument. "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:08:45 -0700 From: "J" Subject: KR> LAST CHANCE TO BUY To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001901c45ca4$14957e70$ed7ba8c0@420ge9lrfq1bci> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This will be my last post for my Spars. Completed KR2 Wing spars, I have complete construction photos of these spars. 1 Set of KR2 + KR2S plans. Intrested contact me offline. If not ebay they go, I hate to go that direction with them. Justin ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 121 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================