From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 122 Date: 6/27/2004 9:00:10 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: KRs and taxes (Mark Langford) 2. Re: lost messages? (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 3. Bicentenial Fright Review, Virg (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Ignition noise (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 5. RE: KRs and taxes (Brian Kraut) 6. RE: Ignition noise (Brian Kraut) 7. RE: oxygen sensor (Brian Kraut) 8. RE: Load limits (Brian Kraut) 9. Re: insterment question (FIXERJONES@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:17:06 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KRs and taxes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <041301c45ca5$3f657730$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In Alabama, what triggers the state tax folks to spring into action is the assignment of an N number (registration) to your airplane. Apparently the FAA notifies them. My state tax folks wanted me to pay sales tax for what I paid for it (that's before I told them I was building it), and failing that, on every component that was bought out of state, declare it each year, and pay taxes on it as I go. The county tax folks quickly appeared as well, wanting me to pay property tax on my wonderful new airplane. They eventually consented to me paying taxes on what it's worth at the moment, and expect me to increment its value every year. I guess I'm lucky they don't charge me taxes for the luxury of having a TIG welder... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:04:23 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> lost messages? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040627.201344.764.4.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bicentenial Fright Review, Virg On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:49:44 +0200 "Stephen Jacobs" writes: > a little hood time and I'll have my BFR! > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > What is a BFR? > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:18:24 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Bicentenial Fright Review, Virg To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40DF63D0.00000D.01976@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So, we only have to get a BFR every 200 years, cool. "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 06/27/04 20:15:09 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> lost messages? Bicentenial Fright Review, Virg On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:49:44 +0200 "Stephen Jacobs" writes: > a little hood time and I'll have my BFR! > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > What is a BFR? > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:15:04 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Re: KR> Ignition noise To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040627.211504.1924.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Brian, This e-mail just showed up------------Revmaster sent me Autolite 425 plugs which are resistor plugs according to their web site. Revmaster does use a shielded harness. After telling Joe at revmaster about the radio noise he said what did u gap the plugs at? I said since there were no instructions I left them at .030 as that's what they were all set at, then he said that's my problem, re gap to .016, so I did and believe it or not the noise went away on the ground but in flight it came back about 75% of what it was. So I called an avionics shop and was told to get some shielding ( the tubular variety that is woven like Chinese finger cuff's ) and slide it over the last couple of inches of wire prior to the plug boot and down over the boot as well, and for good measure solder a wire to the shielding and ground that to the block as well. So I'm waiting for the shielding now. I may call Steve at Great Plains, I completely forgot about him----------------------------Thanks! On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:56:42 -0400 "Brian Kraut" writes: > Are you using resistor plugs? > > Great Plains recommeds only Bosch W8AC plugs. I used them and had > no noise. > > I am not familiar with the Revemaster conversion. Great Plains uses > an > aluminum machined piece that completely covers the plug. The > standard > shielded ignition wires connect to this piece and keep the plug > completely > shielded. Steve recommends connectiong a wire from the aluminum > piece to > the engine if there is noise, but I never had to do that. > > Does the Revmaster use a shielded harness? Are you using it off of > a mag? > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Kenneth L Wiltrout > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:23 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> Ignition noise > > > Due to the high cost of aviation plugs I decided to buy the > Revmaster > conversion kit to auto plugs---------------------that being said > the > engine runs excellant but now I have unbearable ignition noise. If I > had > to do it over I never would have done this. Any of you radio techs > out > the know of a solution?? If I have too I will re install a new > aviation > harness and plugs. ( but I'd rather not $$$ ) THANKS!! > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the > Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com > to sign up today! > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:56:27 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> KRs and taxes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks. Must be different in different states then. I suspected that. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of VIRGIL N SALISBURY Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 7:23 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> KRs and taxes Florida tax starts the day you are finnaly signes off by the FAA and restrictions flown off. it is not a viable aircraft during the testing stage, Virg On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:48:29 -0400 "Brian Kraut" writes: > There have been some discussions on the RV news group lately on > taxes. It > seems some people have had tax assessors assess a value to their > uncompleted > projects and tax them on it. I know that there are a few > accountants on > this list. What kind of tax do you get on an uncompleted project? > I assume > it is a state tax and varies by state? How do they even know you > have a > project? Do they tax you as soon as you register it and they get > information from the FAA? Would I be better off registering my > project now > while it is only worth a few thousand instead of waiting until it is > worth a > lot more? > > Any advice, particularly from people with experience in Florida > would be > appreciated. > > I bought my last KR already flying and the state sales tax people > contacted > me for their cut. I don't know how it is done when you build it. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:06:55 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Ignition noise To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If they are just using a regular spark plug boot that sounds like the problem. I really liked the aluminum shrouds that go over the entire insulator that Steve sells. Steve recomends .014 or .016 or something like that. A magneto really can't fire very well on a big gap. I am kind of surprised your engine kept running good. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Kenneth L Wiltrout Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 9:15 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Ignition noise Hi Brian, This e-mail just showed up------------Revmaster sent me Autolite 425 plugs which are resistor plugs according to their web site. Revmaster does use a shielded harness. After telling Joe at revmaster about the radio noise he said what did u gap the plugs at? I said since there were no instructions I left them at .030 as that's what they were all set at, then he said that's my problem, re gap to .016, so I did and believe it or not the noise went away on the ground but in flight it came back about 75% of what it was. So I called an avionics shop and was told to get some shielding ( the tubular variety that is woven like Chinese finger cuff's ) and slide it over the last couple of inches of wire prior to the plug boot and down over the boot as well, and for good measure solder a wire to the shielding and ground that to the block as well. So I'm waiting for the shielding now. I may call Steve at Great Plains, I completely forgot about him----------------------------Thanks! On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:56:42 -0400 "Brian Kraut" writes: > Are you using resistor plugs? > > Great Plains recommeds only Bosch W8AC plugs. I used them and had no > noise. > > I am not familiar with the Revemaster conversion. Great Plains uses > an aluminum machined piece that completely covers the plug. The > standard > shielded ignition wires connect to this piece and keep the plug > completely > shielded. Steve recommends connectiong a wire from the aluminum > piece to > the engine if there is noise, but I never had to do that. > > Does the Revmaster use a shielded harness? Are you using it off of a > mag? > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Kenneth L Wiltrout > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:23 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> Ignition noise > > > Due to the high cost of aviation plugs I decided to buy the Revmaster > conversion kit to auto plugs---------------------that being said > the > engine runs excellant but now I have unbearable ignition noise. If I > had > to do it over I never would have done this. Any of you radio techs > out > the know of a solution?? If I have too I will re install a new > aviation > harness and plugs. ( but I'd rather not $$$ ) THANKS!! > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the > Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com > to sign up today! > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:07:00 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> oxygen sensor To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I really like the regular meter movements a lot better than the LEDs. You can fine tune the mixture better with one. Westach built me one into a custom quad gauge for a very reasonable price. They also make a round analog mixture gauge that is about 2" diameter. I had one while my quad was being made. It was something like 40 bucks. It is going into Colin's plane now. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:16 PM To: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: KR> oxygen sensor Brian Kraut wrote: > Oh, one other thing I found out when researching the subject. They > sell the > sensors with internal heaters to get them up to operating temp. That > type is not necessary for aircraft use unless you have it mounted way > far away from the head where it shouldn't go anyway. Yep, we don't need the heater. The heater versions (so-called "three wire") are to heat up the sensor quickly to stabilize the idle on injected car engines. We don't have that problem, so the single wire for $30 or so is all we need. I have an official Cyberdyne 2.25" automotive meter that I paid probably 40 bucks for a few years ago (I don't think the company is around anymore), but I found a guy on the internet who cooks up one just like it but in the form of a segmented LED, in three colors (green in the middle, yellow outboard, and red outboard from there) for twenty five bucks. I'll probably cut a rectangular hole for it next to my similar looking trim indicator, and put my g-meter back where the round mixture meter is. I've asked him if he'd be interested in making more of them for other NetHeads, and he's thinking about it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:27:58 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Load limits To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The very first thing I would do is get the lead out and put some spacers under the engine mount to move it forward. You may have to extend the cowl, but that is not that hard to do. I would never fly a KR near the aft CG limit, particularly not the first flight for someone without a lot of KR experience. You should cross out the aft CG limit shown in the plans and move it two inches forward. Anyone that has flown a KR, particularly a heavy one, knows that the aft limit in the plans is way too aft. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of bryanbenner@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:56 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Load limits What are load limits (service load and ultimate load) for the KR-2? I inherited a 95% complete KR-2 from a deceased member of our EAA chapter. The aircraft already had an airworthiness inspection; it was taxied but not flown prior to his demise. The problem is that it is substantially over weight (in excess of 700# empty); unfortunately, I had to add 22# lead to get the CG inside the aft limit (making it a lead sled in more ways than one.) At a full fuel weight (limited to one occupant) of around 1050#, I was wondering if the KR-2 is up to the task structurally. Any additional info would be greatly appreciated. _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:52:37 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> insterment question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <139.30d909d1.2e10e1f5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" if your replying to n212kr, it's the elt remote access to switch& test the nonaccesable elt,,,steve jones, n212kr ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 122 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================