From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 155 Date: 10/9/2004 5:24:18 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Flying with the KR "nuts" (Tommy Waymack) 2. vertical / rudder spars (John Esch) 3. Re: vertical / rudder spars (larry flesner) 4. Re: books about kr (patrusso) 5. Re: spinner (paulwasp@webtv.net) 6. Ailerons (Mark Jones) 7. new guy here (Dave Jeltema) 8. KR2S for sale E-BAY also (Dave Jeltema) 9. heat shielding (Ron Eason) 10. Re: vertical / rudder spars (Dean Cooper) 11. Re: Ailerons (Dean Cooper) 12. RE: of wings, stubs, and attachments (Doug Rupert) 13. Re: of wings, stubs, and attachments (Dean Cooper) 14. RE: of wings, stubs, and attachments (Doug Rupert) 15. RE: of wings, stubs, and attachments (Dan Heath) 16. drills$WAF's (Dene Collett (SA)) 17. Re: drills$WAF's (Dan Heath) 18. RE: of wings, stubs, and attachments (Doug Rupert) 19. Thomasville Fly In - clapp (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 20. Re: of wings, stubs, and attachments (Dean Cooper) 21. Aileron Counterbalance Arm. (Mark Jones) 22. Re: Ailerons (larry flesner) 23. Re: Aileron Counterbalance Arm. (larry flesner) 24. Re: Aileron Counterbalance Arm. (Dan Heath) 25. Re: of wings, stubs, and attachments (Dan Heath) 26. Re: Thomasville Fly In - clapp (Dan Heath) 27. Re: new guy here (Orma) 28. RE: of wings, stubs, and attachments (Doug Rupert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:07:14 -0500 From: "Tommy Waymack" Subject: KR> Flying with the KR "nuts" To: Message-ID: <000801c4adb5$764166e0$6800a8c0@blindate> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok lets be fair.The KR pilots are pretty good flyers.I really enjoy the flying at the gathering.Being in the pattern and in close sometimes with other KR pilots can be pretty exiting.Hey Jeff enjoyed your flying and the KR that was really hauling it was the KR1 I think or maybe JF could be 1MR.At 1000AGL it just looks great.The parade to the parade was what it must have looked like on D-day.Being number eight out of 9 gives you an unfogettable veiw.Flying the photo shoot was a good exercise in getting 5 or 6 airplanes in one place at the same time with out occupying the same airspace.Thanks for all the safe attitudes and good airwork.Tommy W. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:04:04 -0700 From: "John Esch" Subject: KR> vertical / rudder spars To: Message-ID: <000d01c4adc5$c9777bf0$6401a8c0@VAIO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All After watching Burt Rutan catch the X-prize I got the building bug once again. Mounted my horizontal stabilizer today and moving on to the vertical fin and rudder. I have a couple of questions on the spar size differences and the bevel on the aft vertical fin spar. According to the plans for the -2S, the aft vertical spar, aft edge measurement is 1 1/2 inch across and the fwd of the edge rudder spar is 1 3/4 inch across. Am I measuring something wrong? Why would the measurement be a 1/4 inch difference? I would think the measurement would get smaller as you move aft. I forgot to mention is that my KR is not the standard KR-2S. It is 10 inches longer, 4 inches wider, and straight sides. This will change the measurements from the standard KR-2S. My aft spar of the aft vertical fin is 1/8 inch wider at the beveled edge at the base where the fuselage sides will be epoxied onto the spar. Could I make the airfoil template to meet the spar width? Finally, does the bevel, that is required on the aft spar on the vertical fin so the fuselage plywood will glue flat, go or continue all the way up the spar? I think I know the answer but I want to make sure I don't mess something up. Thanks John Esch KR-2SSW Independence, OR (7S5) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:33:15 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> vertical / rudder spars To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041009063315.007c67a0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I have a couple of questions on the spar size differences and the bevel >on the aft vertical fin spar. >According to the plans for the -2S, the aft vertical spar, aft edge measurement is 1 1/2 inch across and the fwd of the edge rudder spar is 1 3/4 inch across. Am I measuring something wrong? Why would the measurement be a 1/4 inch difference? I would think the measurement would get smaller as you move aft. >John Esch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Use the airfoil shape of the vertical stab and rudder to determine the spar shape and size. The edges of the spars should match the shape of the airfoil and any change in size from end to end will follow the airfoil outline. Good luck Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:51:45 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> books about kr To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c4adfe$bc3058c0$8bb272d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bienvenido Alejo Donde en Sud America? The reply from Mark Jones Regarding the books you might like to have are perfect and I would suggest that there are the bibles of homebuilders thru-out the worldwide EAA network. Buena suerte Pat, (patrusso@sover.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "alejo estebecorena" To: Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: KR> books about kr > hello > I`m from south america and I`m new on this forum. > Which are the books real useful for building and flying a Kr? Thanks > to everybody Alejo > Alejo@hebue.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:17:23 -0400 From: paulwasp@webtv.net Subject: KR> Re: spinner To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <4244-4167F2F3-6515@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Hi, all; Just thought I'd take a chance on getting a 10" spinner with crush plates etal on the KR net at a reasonable cost. paulwasp@webtv.net KR2s primed and engine hung ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:25:30 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Ailerons To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <005001c4ae0b$da369520$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just cut the aileron out of my right wing. It sure was hard to bring myself to cut into a wing like that but it came out perfect. Now on to the aileron spars, etc..... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:45:22 -0400 From: "Dave Jeltema" Subject: KR> new guy here To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed any kr guys in michigan? Thank You Dave Jeltema _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:53:48 -0400 From: "Dave Jeltema" Subject: KR> KR2S for sale E-BAY also To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It comes with a full set of plans as well as a large box of documents on the KR2. All four spars are complete. I am including the fiberglass wingtips also as seen in the pics I also have on CD the newsletters since inception. The canopy has the protection spray applied The brake and runner pedals are moveable in all directions due to having several threaded bolt backers installed. It comes with an original interior set containing the two side panels, the carpet, and the seat slings The two wing tanks and the upper center tank are aluminum, sloshed, and senders installed. The upper center has a flop tube for aerobatics my intent was to have the wing tanks feed the center tank constantly. I have the wiring diagram for that to happen. Included also is all the fiberglass, epoxies you will need to finish, a lot of spruce some foam and all the polytone to paint (white). The rear horizontal stabilizer as well at the elevators, is built I don’t have pictures yet its in my garage behind a lot of very heavy boxes. LoL! I also have 2 subaru EA81 engines and a rotary airforce redrive for them for sale! As you can see you are getting a lot for your money the canopy and rudder/brake setup, and fiberglass cost more! I am desperate for cash! My phone number is 616-887-2101 my cell is 616-893-9332 feel free to call with any questions! the project is listed on e-bay! or e-mail me at partslocaters@msn.com for all the pics and info Thanks Dave J Thank You Dave Jeltema _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:01:10 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: KR> heat shielding To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003e01c4ae19$3240f5f0$6501a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original http://www.mmrusa.com/heatshield.htm ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:10:34 -0400 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> vertical / rudder spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004a01c4ae22$e3fd83e0$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John wrote: > According to the plans for the -2S, the aft vertical spar, aft edge measurement is 1 1/2 inch across and the fwd of the edge rudder spar is 1 3/4 inch across. Am I measuring something wrong? Why would the measurement be a 1/4 inch difference? I would think the measurement would get smaller as you move aft. > Finally, does the bevel, that is required on the aft spar on the > vertical fin so the fuselage plywood will glue flat, go or continue all the way up the spar? I think I know the answer but I want to make sure I don't mess something up. John, My plans (KR2) show the stern post to be 1 3/4" wide. I actually went out and measured mine and it is 1 3/4" on front beveled to 1 1/2" on the aft side. When you add the fuse plywood sides to it, then it's about 2" across the front beveled to 1/3/4", which is the width of the rudder spar. On the bevel question, you don't bevel the spar all the way to the top because the degree of bevel to accept the fuselage ply is different from the bevel for the airfoil. I would bevel only enough to install the stern post (about a foot or so), then as Larry suggester, glue your vertical rib template in place before shaping the rest of your stern post. I hope this answers your question. good luck. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:15:41 -0400 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> Ailerons To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005e01c4ae23$9afd5ac0$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark wrote: > I just cut the aileron out of my right wing. It sure was hard to bring myself to cut into a wing like that but it came out perfect. Now on to the aileron spars, etc. Especially after you spend that much time and sweat perfecting the shap of the wing.....just keep thinking about how good it'll look when your done.... :-) Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:33:06 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001f01c4ae26$0ac046e0$1f6cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not necessarily, many designs have removable wings with attachment points inside the fuselage. A specially built dolly is used to transport the fuselage when wings are detached as in moving to and from home or whatever. The beauty of this arrangement is that all wing components stay with the wing (gear, flaps, ailerons, gear, etc). When it comes time to put wing on it is merely a matter of a few bolts and control cables, quick disconnects for fuel and pitot as well as navigation lights. I have seriously considered trying this with my project but then again the purists among us will claim it's not a KR. A good source of information on this can be found in a book called Light Airplane Design by L. Pazmany. Doug Rupert -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of patrusso Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 2:49 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments It's do-able but you'd have to attach the landing gear to the fuselage ...would'nt you? Might be adding weight cuz to get the same wheel base you'll need a bigger gear spring. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Butterfield" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 2:32 PM Subject: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:34:18 -0400 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007501c4ae2e$96461340$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug wrote: > The beauty of this arrangement is that all wing components stay with > the wing (gear, flaps, ailerons, gear, etc). The Midget Mustang is is like this (with the gear attached to removeable wings). The biggest problem is the wing attached fittings are so big and heavy. I'm sure it could be done on a KR, but why? If you wanted to put the wing attach fittings at the fuselage on a KR, it would be best to go with a one piece spring like the Grove gear that mounts inside the slipstream. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:15:15 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002201c4ae3c$b19131d0$1f6cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The best reason I can think of Dean is that by doing it that way the builder would be able to go with one piece laminated spars and eliminate the WAF's altogether. Wings would attach inside fuselage area via aluminum spreader at front and rear spar areas of wing. This arrangement would only require four bolts and would greatly reduce drag at the current WAF area. Yes this area is covered with whatever material the owner/builder chooses prior to flight but must be removed each time the aircraft is transported. >From what I have been able to glean from past digest articles, the wing attachment with present design is rather time consuming, time that I for one would rather enjoy flying. Also the one piece wing would allow the usage of larger flaps without complicated rigging. My opinion anyway but as the old saying goes opinions are like anal orifices, everyone has one. Worth discussion though as I have seen how much work other builders have expended getting the performance they want in their particular machines. I recently had the chance to visit the shop of a builder and saw first hand how simple this setup was, and on a full scale Spitfire project no less. Doug -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dean Cooper Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:34 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments The Midget Mustang is is like this (with the gear attached to removeable wings). The biggest problem is the wing attached fittings are so big and heavy Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:19:09 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <416847BD.000007.02800@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: the purists among us will claim it's not a KR. Doug, Why would you let that stop you? It is your plane, build it anyway you want and call it anything you want. But you are right about one thing, it wouldn t. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING, and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:50:22 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" Subject: KR> drills$WAF's To: "krnet" Message-ID: <000001c4ae3e$e9d3e540$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks to all who responded to my questions regarding long drill bits and the attaching of the WAF's. I took a regular 3/16 bit to a new friend today who runs a business making all sorts of control cables for auto/marine/industrial and other. He is getting one of his staff to lengthen it for me so it looks like I will get the job done this week end. As for the weight of a retract system compared to a fixed gear, remember I said we mostly used leaf spring material over here because it is readily available unlike the exotic aluminuims like 2024. For interest sake, does someone have the weight of a Deal gear leg and of the attach bracket + bolts.My design does not have any attach brackets to speak of as they piggy back on the WAF bolts (aluminuim plate straddling the two WAF's) also no wheel fairings. Although the steel legs are heavy, ZS-WEC was built to a weight of around 620# originally so it needn't mean an overweight bird at the end of the day.(Serge, I would be interested to know what it weighs now??) Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:35:53 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> drills$WAF's To: "krnet@mylist.net" Cc: Dan Diehl Message-ID: <416859B9.00000B.02800@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: My design does not have any attach brackets to speak of as they piggy back on the WAF bolts (aluminuim plate straddling the two WAF's) Dean, Are you sure that is a good idea, adding all the stress of landings to the WAFs?? Mail dan@diehlaero.com for the weight of the gear cause he is d'man. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:44:16 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4ae49$240db420$1604e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My point exactly Dan. I haven't been around KR's long but long enough to know that very few if any are built exactly to spec. Most seem to be variances of the original built to suit each person's preferences. Ken developed the idea of using tried and true modeling techniques in the construction of full size aircraft. This was his crowning achievement and I can't help but wonder what he would think seeing how this creative bunch has continued to develop his concept and made & shared these changes to keep the KR series of aircraft flying. Many designs owe their success to Ken while I doubt they will ever admit to it. This list is a wonderful tool in the builder's quest to building and flying his own airplane. Each person here, whether newbie or old timer has put forth ideas and many are now standard practice in construction. I know when I bought my project and read over the manual I thought somebody must be joking. It was the archive messages and input from fellow KR netters that put everything in perspective and laid everything out in clear cut easy to follow instructions. Without that I no doubt would have backed off and built a Skybolt instead. Glad now that this was not the case and things are starting to look somewhat like an aircraft instead of a pile of wood/foam and fiberglass. Hope to meet you at the next Gathering. Doug Rupert. Doug, Why would you let that stop you? It is your plane, build it anyway you want and call it anything you want. But you are right about one thing, it wouldn t. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:09:08 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> Thomasville Fly In - clapp To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <8e.1698264d.2e99bb84@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" After waiting around until 11:00 am for the waether to clear my daughter and I flew off to Thomasville for the local Fly-In. Made the 40 mile trip in about 15 minutes. This is the first flight with wheel pants on. I still dont have speed numbers but I am sure that is is a little faster - at least it LOOKS faster. I met a couple guys out there that are building Corvair conversions for their airplanes. Ate a couple hot dogs, chewed the fat, and then came home. Of course I did give them all a 200mph flyby to show off a little. Having fun FLYING!!!!! Keep on building guys - youll never stop smiling. Bill ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:09:52 -0400 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009201c4ae4c$b3d14380$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug wrote: > The best reason I can think of Dean is that by doing it that way the > builder would be able to go with one piece laminated spars and > eliminate the > WAF's altogether. Doug, I agree, a one piece wing (or two piece bolting in the middle) is defintiely an option. As Dan put it, build it the way you want. If you built it this way, it would definitly be interesting to see. Good luck. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:36:02 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <00a101c4ae50$5f92f620$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Those of you that have made aileron counterbalance arms, how long is the bracket leg the weight sits on? Also, what material did you make your brackets from? Thanks. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:35:29 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Ailerons To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041009173529.007f1100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:25 AM 10/9/04 -0500, you wrote: >I just cut the aileron out of my right wing. It sure was hard to bring myself to cut into a wing like that but it came out perfect. Now on to the aileron spars, etc..... > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ When you install the aileron spar don't forget about the wing washout (twist) or your trailedges won't match up like mine didn't the first time around. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:42:35 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041009174235.0079aa60@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:36 PM 10/9/04 -0500, you wrote: >Those of you that have made aileron counterbalance arms, how long is >the bracket leg the weight sits on? Also, what material did you make your brackets from? >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Make them to just clear the back side of the rear spar. The longer the better but the rear spar is the limiting factor if you follow the plans. Most are made of alum angle but if you haven't built them yet go with steel. The alum ones are known to crack and fall off. Ask Jim Faughn about that. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:26:14 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41687396.000001.02736@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Those of you that have made aileron counterbalance arms, how long is the bracket leg the weight sits on? Also, what material did you make your brackets from. Mark, http://kr-builder.org/Aileron/index.html About 3/4 of the way down the thumbnails. I made it as long as I could fit in the space I had for it to go into. Remember the problem Jim Faughn had with his. You might want to make them out of steel. I made mine like this on the last KR and never had a problem, but I never flew mine like Jim flys his. This shows how I made the brackets, the weights, and how it is installed. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:28:46 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4168742E.000003.02736@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And, I may have mis-spoke, who knows when a KR quits being a KR and starts being something else. Where is the line? Are any of the new KRs, actually KRs? There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- Doug, I agree, a one piece wing (or two piece bolting in the middle) is defintiely an option. As Dan put it, build it the way you want. If you built it this way, it would definitly be interesting to see. Good luck. ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:32:26 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Thomasville Fly In - clapp To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4168750A.000005.02736@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Keep on building guys - youll never stop smiling. Bill, You are an inspiration to us, thanks to you and Larry for keeping all that fun in front of us. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:51:10 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> new guy here To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ee01c4ae5a$daf75b30$6c34d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello and welcome Dave I'm in Southfield MI Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:22:35 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> of wings, stubs, and attachments To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000501c4ae5f$45870820$5104e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks and see it you will. If I can't find a way around this spar problem that I posted earlier and have to start again, I'll go with the one piece wing rather than redoing 4 spars. Easier and faster to go that way and deal with the associated problems that will cause than tear the whole plane apart. If it has to come out I might as well go the whole enchilada and build the new airfoil as well. Been toying with the idea of going with motorcycle fork tubes for gear as a way to gain ground clearance anyway as I operate out of "short" grass strips most of the time. Doug ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 155 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================