From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 159 Date: 10/11/2004 12:34:18 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. R?f. : KR> drills$WAF's (Serge VIDAL) 2. R?f. : KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. (Serge VIDAL) 3. Re: HS Update (Dan Heath) 4. Re: HS Update (Mac McConnell-Wood) 5. Re: Aileron Counterbalance Arm. (Dan Heath) 6. Re: Aerodynamic counterweight vs pitch sensitivity - doing both at the same time (Dan Heath) 7. Counter balancing (Colin & Bev Rainey) 8. Re: Aileron Travel? (Mac McConnell-Wood) 9. Aileron travel (Colin & Bev Rainey) 10. Aileron counter balance arm. (Mark Jones) 11. HS and aerodynamic balances (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 12. KR2S for sale (Dave Jeltema) 13. Re: Prop extensions (paulwasp@webtv.net) 14. Re: KR2S for sale (DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com) 15. Re: KR Parts For Sale (Mike Turner) 16. RE: KR2S for sale (Ron Freiberger) 17. KR2 in Houston, Tx area for sale (pilgrim1@pdq.net) 18. Re: KR2 in Houston, Tx area for sale (DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com) 19. Re: Counter balancing (Mac McConnell-Wood) 20. RE: Aileron counter balance arm. (Jack Cooper) 21. Re: HS and aerodynamic balances (JAMES FERRIS) 22. Re: parts for sale on ebay (Ballsofbugs@aol.com) 23. control surfaces stops (John Esch) 24. Copperstate (F Ross) 25. Re: control surfaces stops (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:36:06 +0200 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: R?f. : KR> drills$WAF's To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dene, ZS-WEC was last weighted on July last year, just before I left South Africa. She had had some modifications since her first flight. First, at a certain point in time, Rob Van der Merwe added aluminium long range fuel tanks (in the stubwings), and I suspect these are a bit on the heavy side. Then, I made a much heavier instrument panel, meaning also more wiring, etc. Last but not least, I changed the engine to a 2.4 liter VW, with full dual electronic ignition. And many more small things that add on and on... Result: 321 Kg empty (that is #707, for those who still use Units of Measure from the "stone" age ;-) ) Now, talking about the spring steel undercarriage, it sure is heavy, but not that much, and boy! It is reliable and forgiving, that much I can say. What I could never figure out is the brackets that link the U/C to the spar. They are L-shaped, and look as if they are made of cast aluminium. I always wondered where they came from. Serge Vidal Paris, France (Gee, how much I mis South Africa!) "Dene Collett (SA)" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2004-10-07 23:50 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2004-10-09 22:27 Pour : "krnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> drills$WAF's Thanks to all who responded to my questions regarding long drill bits and the attaching of the WAF's. I took a regular 3/16 bit to a new friend today who runs a business making all sorts of control cables for auto/marine/industrial and other. He is getting one of his staff to lengthen it for me so it looks like I will get the job done this week end. As for the weight of a retract system compared to a fixed gear, remember I said we mostly used leaf spring material over here because it is readily available unlike the exotic aluminuims like 2024. For interest sake, does someone have the weight of a Deal gear leg and of the attach bracket + bolts.My design does not have any attach brackets to speak of as they piggy back on the WAF bolts (aluminuim plate straddling the two WAF's) also no wheel fairings. Although the steel legs are heavy, ZS-WEC was built to a weight of around 620# originally so it needn't mean an overweight bird at the end of the day.(Serge, I would be interested to know what it weighs now??) Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:44:18 +0200 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: R?f. : KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, I cannot tell for sure, but I believe mine are in the region of 12 cm. The bracket is thick aluminium sheet (about 8mm thick). The weights are lead, airfoil shape. They are screwed in place through the bracket. I can send you a picture if you want. Serge Vidal Paris, France "Mark Jones" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2004-10-10 00:36 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2004-10-10 00:33 Pour : "KR Net" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. Those of you that have made aileron counterbalance arms, how long is the bracket leg the weight sits on? Also, what material did you make your brackets from? Thanks. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:59:56 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> HS Update To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <416A599C.000003.03816@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dean, Why did you decide not to use the airfoil on the stab? Your process is well documented on your site. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:05:12 +0100 From: "Mac McConnell-Wood" Subject: Re: KR> HS Update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <031201c4af79$cedfe5e0$1fc49c51@tinypc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nice job Dean -I was taught in the dark ages that aerodynamic balance was used to reduce aerodynamic loads.How does this work out where the plane is already sensitive in pitch? - Regards Mac UK---- From: "Dean Cooper" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:24 AM Subject: KR> HS Update > Netters, > > I came home from the Gathering pumped and set out to make good > progress on my KR (in between dodging hurricanes). I've spent the > last 2 weeks working > hard on my horizontal stabilizer. It never goes as fast as you would hope. > :-) You can see my progress at: > > http://www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/HS.html > > I still have foam and glass to do, but the woodwork is done... It's been > relatively quiet today, hope all is well out in KR land. > > > Dean Cooper > Jacksonville, FL > Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net > See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:05:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <416A5AEC.000005.03816@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is a little off that subject, but it made me think of when I was making the recess hole in the wing, for the weight. If you are using wing skins, decide where your weight will go and insert a block of foam in the area between aft of the aft spar and where your false aileron spar will go. It is very difficult to get the foam in there for glassing up the hole, after the wing is built. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:14:08 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Aerodynamic counterweight vs pitch sensitivity - doing both at the same time To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <416A5CF0.000007.03816@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, Why not? I think that a the pitch sensitivity is due to two things, short coupling and bad W&B. The S, helps with the short coupling and you can fix the W&B. With everyone putting on bigger engines and EXPECTING higher airspeeds, it makes sense to look at balancing. For one, higher airspeeds will increase the opportunity for developing flutter and the bigger engines put more weight forward to offset the weight added to the tail section for balance. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:30:40 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Counter balancing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00eb01c4af7d$5b0f2af0$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Flight control counter balancing has nothing to do with control surface sensitivity or an attempt to reduce that tendency if the aircraft has it. Counter balancing is to prevent control surface flutter. It does reduce the loads on the hinges during flight, but is primarily to reduce flutter that is caused when aircraft begin exceeding speeds of approximately 150mph depending upon the airplane. I have taken the route of reducing the sensitivity the same way Adrian Carter did by simply reducing the throw or movement of the pushtube for a given amount of stick movement. I still get the complete amount of elevator motion, just takes more stick to get it. I personally feel that reducing the area of the elevator only takes away from the very domain of flight that I want the greatest amount of control, and that is when the airplane is slow. ALL planes get sensitive above 130knots/140mph so no real change necessary there. Your results will vary.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:36:00 +0100 From: "Mac McConnell-Wood" Subject: Re: KR> Aileron Travel? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <032801c4af7e$1fd1cdc0$1fc49c51@tinypc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Dan, Before you flox in your aileron spar,make sure the distance between the hinge center line and the control horn bolt hole center line are 2.5"max. My drawings omitted this dimension and I was unable to get the full range of movement due to this error- .I expect subsequent drawings have been ammended to cover this. Regards Mac UKOriginal Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Cc: "Jerry" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: KR> Aileron Travel? > I do believe that it is 20 deg up and 10 deg down, but I cannot find > it in my book. I see that part about the elevator, but either the > aileron travel is not in there or I just can't find it. I just need to > make sure before I flox in the aileron spar. > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:35:52 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Aileron travel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011a01c4af7e$155c7f20$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes Dan it is 20 degrees up and 10 degrees down. That is also expressed as a maximum limit of movement in the plans. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:50:26 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: KR> Aileron counter balance arm. To: KR Net Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902C09@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain I am having my aileron counter balance arms cut from 4130 today and I left my drawing at home. What width does the KR plans show for the arm? What width are you guys making yours? I hate it when I go off and leave something 25 miles behind and can't go back after it. Your help is appreciated. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:09:54 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> HS and aerodynamic balances To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <12a.4dad1683.2e9be022@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have the new airgoil stab on my KR2S and also incorporated 4" wide aerodynamic balances that go up to the front spar of the Horizontal. The main reason I believe they are called aerodynamic balances is because the couterweight for the balancing of the control surface is in the airstream not in the fuselage. I seriously doubt there is much aerodynamic help as far as the "feel" of the control. I cannot prove this of course but I can attest to the fact the the KR2S is much more stable than the KR2. As Mark Landford and a couple of the others who flew mine. The pitch is sensitive at high speeds but it requires a considerable amout of force to displace the stick from it natural center. What I mean by this is that the stick will stay put , you can let go and the plane stays rock solid, moving to stick takes some pressure but very little movement is required for a large pitch change. Then plane flies best when you let go of the stick sometimes. Maybe the aerodynamic balances help in this centering affect - im not sure. The main reason I installed my elevatore this way was just for the easy of installing weight to balance and it looks cool! I didnt wan a bunch of weight inside the fuse on an arm I could not have access to. The weight is now permanent and I dont worry about it. Just make a descision that works... build it once and move on... Flying time is here! ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:14:08 -0400 From: "Dave Jeltema" Subject: KR> KR2S for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have a kr2 for sale on e-bay if anyone is interested Item number: 2493627202 This will be sold to the highest bidder no matter what! HOWEVER EVERYONE ON THIS SITE GETS FIRST DIBS! if you want it, I will close the auction and sell it to you feel free to e-mail me at partslocaters@msn.com Thank You Dave Jeltema _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:27:41 -0400 From: paulwasp@webtv.net Subject: KR> Re: Prop extensions To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <27151-416A8A4D-123@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Hi; I inadvertantly deleted the info on extensions when we had surprise guests pop in. Would you be so kind as to forward the info again? I'm talking about the one with the $188 doller version. The engines initially have a 1/12 extension installed already, so I guess we are really pushing it to the max with 3" more. But I can't clear the exhausts without the added 3". Thoughts? Paul ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:30:51 -0500 From: DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com Subject: Re: KR> KR2S for sale To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm interested. What would it take to buy it? Could you send pics? Dennis "Dave Jeltema" Sent by: To: krnet@mylist.net krnet-bounces+dpurduski=caldwellmfgco.com cc: @mylist.net Subject: KR> KR2S for sale 10/11/2004 08:14 AM Please respond to KRnet I have a kr2 for sale on e-bay if anyone is interested Item number: 2493627202 This will be sold to the highest bidder no matter what! HOWEVER EVERYONE ON THIS SITE GETS FIRST DIBS! if you want it, I will close the auction and sell it to you feel free to e-mail me at partslocaters@msn.com Thank You Dave Jeltema _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:28:15 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" Subject: Re: KR> KR Parts For Sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is the transponder in good working order? Did you buy it used? Has it been checked out? If so I'll take it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Dorfmeier To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: KR> KR Parts For Sale I have the following KR parts for sale: Bendix TR-2061 Transponder w/altitude Reporter (used). Original cost $295; asking $200. I am located in Northern California about an hour north of Sacramento. Email questions to douglas_dorfmeier@msn.com, or you can call me at 530-432-2871. Doug Dorfmeier _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:33:58 -0400 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> KR2S for sale To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002001c4af9f$59376540$7819c944@disoganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For whoever cares.... this was my project initially, and I recommend it highly. ;o) Dave, sorry it's not working out for you.. Ron Freiberger mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com <- substitute an @ sign ;o) Subject: KR> KR2S for sale I have a kr2 for sale on e-bay if anyone is interested Item number: 2493627202 ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:19:15 -0500 (CDT) From: pilgrim1@pdq.net Subject: KR> KR2 in Houston, Tx area for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <10507.216.52.172.98.1097507955.squirrel@qmail.pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hey Guys & Gals, I have a KR2 listed on www.barnstormers.com for sale. It is plans built and is about 65-75% complete. I lost my medical and my family is adamant that I not fly any more, so I don't want to complete this really quality project. Pictures upon request. Jim Foster Katy, TX ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:21:13 -0500 From: DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com Subject: Re: KR> KR2 in Houston, Tx area for sale To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Send Pics Dennis pilgrim1@pdq.net Sent by: To: "KRnet" krnet-bounces@myl cc: ist.net Subject: KR> KR2 in Houston, Tx area for sale 10/11/2004 10:19 AM Please respond to KRnet Hey Guys & Gals, I have a KR2 listed on www.barnstormers.com for sale. It is plans built and is about 65-75% complete. I lost my medical and my family is adamant that I not fly any more, so I don't want to complete this really quality project. Pictures upon request. Jim Foster Katy, TX _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:23:49 +0100 From: "Mac McConnell-Wood" Subject: Re: KR> Counter balancing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006701c4afa6$4f733a00$1fc49c51@tinypc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was taught back in the d.a's that there were 2 types of control balance. 1 Aerodynamic which reduces stick loads,(control surface extended beyond the hinge line) and 2. Mass balance ( lead weight in front of the hinge line balancing the control weight) which prevents flutter. This worked on Wappiti's and is good enuf for me. Regards Mac UK----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: KR> Counter balancing > Flight control counter balancing has nothing to do with & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:13:50 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> Aileron counter balance arm. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-2200410111161350140@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mark I'm looking for the dimensions but as of yet haven't found them. The only thing that may be helpful is under aileron balancing "make a cardboard container 11/2" X2"x3" . This id for pouring the lead so this would infer that it is 11/2" wide. I just went out and measured mine and it is 11/2"wide. Hope this helps. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Mark Jones > To: KR Net > Date: 10/11/2004 8:50:31 AM > Subject: KR> Aileron counter balance arm. > > I am having my aileron counter balance arms cut from 4130 today and I > left my drawing at home. What width does the KR plans show for the > arm? What width are you guys making yours? I hate it when I go off and > leave something > 25 miles behind and can't go back after it. Your help is appreciated. > > Thanks > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:59:23 -0400 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> HS and aerodynamic balances To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041011.135925.840.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The reason it is called an aerodynamic balance is that area is added forward od the hinge line and as the elevator is delflected up the area forward of the hingeline reduces the load required to deflect the elevator This is used on large aircraft to reduce the control forces bu is no needed on the small KR aircraft, however this does make it easy to add weights in this area to balance the control surface to avoid flutter at high speeds. Adding area to the horizontal tail will increase the tail volumn ccoefficient just as moving the tail aft also will. However, if the area is added to the elevator it will increase the elevator effectiveness as well and make the pitch more sensetive,whereas adding the area to the stabilzer will make the aircraft more stale. Look at Troy Petteways KR2 after he rebuilt it. go to http://www.ron@wanttaja.com/ he has everything but pick #2 aircraft then the tr\hree link chain and you will have jillions of aircraft sites the go to maklangford's site on KR2's go down to the completed KR's and pick Troy Petteway's KR2 this will be photo's before the accident, but if you go to the end he will have another site to go to for the aicraft after the rebuild, "new wing, new engine and modified tail" to make the aircraft more stable. This is http://www.hiwaay.net/~langford/troy Sincerely Jim . On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:09:54 EDT IFLYKRS@aol.com writes: > I have the new airgoil stab on my KR2S and also incorporated 4" wide > > aerodynamic balances that go up to the front spar of the Horizontal. > The main > reason I believe they are called aerodynamic balances is because the > couterweight > for the balancing of the control surface is in the airstream not in > the > fuselage. I seriously doubt there is much aerodynamic help as far > as the "feel" > of the control. I cannot prove this of course but I can attest to > the fact > the the KR2S is much more stable than the KR2. As Mark Landford > and a couple > of the others who flew mine. The pitch is sensitive at high speeds > but it > requires a considerable amout of force to displace the stick from > it natural > center. What I mean by this is that the stick will stay put , you > can let go > and the plane stays rock solid, moving to stick takes some > pressure but very > little movement is required for a large pitch change. Then plane > flies best > when you let go of the stick sometimes. Maybe the aerodynamic > balances help > in this centering affect - im not sure. The main reason I > installed my > elevatore this way was just for the easy of installing weight to > balance and it > looks cool! I didnt wan a bunch of weight inside the fuse on an > arm I could not > have access to. The weight is now permanent and I dont worry about > it. > Just make a descision that works... build it once and move on... > Flying time is > here! > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:12:13 EDT From: Ballsofbugs@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> parts for sale on ebay To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1f8.a2e747.2e9c26fd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" hello How much on the A.C. case,bolts, flywheel, mtr mnt, alt, mag drive? condition? Jim May ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:24:06 -0700 From: "John Esch" Subject: KR> control surfaces stops To: Message-ID: <000a01c4afbf$8051df00$6401a8c0@VAIO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All I permanately installed my elevator to the stab last night and moving onto the vertical stab and rudder. I have question about control surface stops. Where should the stops be mounted and what material should be considered making the stops. John Esch KR-2SSW Independence, OR (7S5) ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: F Ross Subject: KR> Copperstate To: KRnet Message-ID: <20041011185834.50279.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glad to hear so many KRs are getting to Copperstate. When I was in PHX there were only a couple each time. Those folks need to see a REAL home-built for a change. Frank ===== Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:19:35 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> control surfaces stops To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041011.153108.408.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Stops should be mounted at the CONTROL INPUT end, Virg On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:24:06 -0700 "John Esch" writes: > All > I permanately installed my elevator to the stab last night and > moving onto the vertical stab and rudder. > I have question about control surface stops. Where should the stops > be mounted and what material should be considered making the stops. > > John Esch > KR-2SSW > Independence, OR (7S5) _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 159 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================