From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 169 Date: 10/17/2004 8:59:27 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Looking for Joe Davis (Joachim Saupe) 2. Re: canopy height, panel height, cockpit width (Dan Heath) 3. Re: canopy height, panel height, cockpit width (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 4. Re: RE: Trim indicators (Robert7721@aol.com) 5. Re: aileron balancing (paulwasp@webtv.net) 6. Re: KR2S for sale (JAMES FERRIS) 7. RE: Re: aileron balancing (Ron Freiberger) 8. Re: Re: aileron balancing - How close to perfect must the balance be? (Dan Heath) 9. Re: Looking for Joe Davis (Vicki Davis) 10. Re: canopy height, panel height, cockpit width (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 11. Re: Re: aileron balancing - How close to perfect must the balance be? (paulwasp@webtv.net) 12. Prop fund - Borrowing? (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 13. Re: Prop fund - Borrowing? (Mark Jones) 14. 2004 Gathering points of origin (Kevin Jarvis) 15. Re: Prop fund - Borrowing? (Dan Walker) 16. cure for my Tiny Tach problem (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:38:50 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: KR> Looking for Joe Davis To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220041001783850531@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Joe, The e-mail address you gave me doesn't work. Please send correct info! Joachim Saupe ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:24:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> canopy height, panel height, cockpit width To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41726493.000003.00352@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: keep you from making the same mistakes that many builders make. At the risk of posting a ME TOO, which may be better than something about uranium, I agree with Mark and want to add something. First, this is my second KR. I flew the first one for a little over 6 years. I could not put on my headsets without bumping the side of the bubble. This is the reason that Jerry and I have spent so much time on our canopy. We had all the pre-molded parts. We discarded the canopy frame and cut up the bubble to use as windows. The turtle deck is wrapped around a frame that was designed around US, 2 people. We then filled it in on the sides. We could not widen the fuselage because by the time we realized that it could be done it was way too late. We spent a lot of time designing the seats to get us as low in the available space as possible. We have test driven our beast and it is very tight at the shoulders. Be sure you are flying with a friend and/or lover and remember your TicTacs. The thing that I want to add is, take the time to put in dual sticks or at least get the control between the pilot's legs. Other than NO head room, the center location of the stick, is the thing that bothered me the most about my first KR. There are many benefits to doing this and as I see it, no down side. You have a built in arm rest, your legs. You can fly with either hand, you can let the passenger fly the plane, and most likely will be able to stabilize the craft with your legs while you unfold your map or have to do something that requires both hands. Of course, if you are lucky enough to build one like Bill Clapp's, then the last benefit is mute. Decide on the mission for your craft before you start and give extreeme consideration for any deviations from that mission during the building process. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 10/16/04 21:46:41 To: KRnet Subject: KR> canopy height, panel height, cockpit width NetHeads, I've flown in probably 10 or 12 different KRs over the years, and would like to point out a few things to those of you who are building, in hopes that it's not too late to keep you from making the same mistakes that many builders make. 1) Widen the fuselage at the cockpit, period! The simple truth is that anybody who carries a passenger in a KR2 or KR2S (they are both the SAME width if built per plans) will want to surgically remove the passenger's left arm at the shoulder to avoid discomfort. I'm pretty skinny, and I always have to put my arm around the pilot's neck to fly a KR. Don't let this happen to you. Widen it at least 3" at the shoulders, or kick yourself later when you come to the realization that your passengers will be miserable. It's easy to do (unless you plan on using the full RR premolds) and won't cost you much speed. 2) Make the canopy tall enough for passengers. You say you're short and you can see just fine? Your next passenger may need a lobotomy to fit inside. My canopy is 17" above the longerons (which is per plans, best I could tell), and my seat is 1" off the floor, and I only have an inch above my headset. It was worse than that, but I just spent the day hacking up my seat to lower it two inches! I thought I'd be OK until I bought the new Lightspeed headset that has an extra inch of padding on top. Your choice of canopy has an effect too. The Dragonfly is flatter across the top, giving ample headroom for both pilot and passenger, and allows more lateral space so you can look down over the side of the fuselage. But whatever canopy you use, it can probably be reshaped to some extent at the aft end to take on more of a squarish shape that'll be comfortable to fly in. I once flew in a KR2S that I had to bend my head over toward the center of the cockpit, and didn't even have enough room for my arms to move far enough to bring my camera up to my eye. 3) Don't make the instrument panel hang down more than an inch or two below the top of the longerons. Mine hangs down 1.5" below the top of the longeron, and I have plenty of legroom, but my legs are skinny. Some of these guys look like they're slipping their legs through slots. I got in one KR2S where my knees were jammed into the bottom of the panel, right at the knee cap. I'm still recovering. If you're using the AS5048 airfoil (the tall one), don't forget that your main spar just grew about 2" taller, and you're going to need even more room under your panel. Most of the panels I see have plenty of room to spare between instruments, and could have easily been "tightened up" vertically. If you've got two rows of 3.12" instruments, you've got enough. While I am 6 feet tall, I only weigh 142 pounds (that's why I get all the KR rides), so I'm not exactly a giant. Having said all of this, my wife would probably point out that I'm one of the few people on the planet who could manage to complain about having flown in so many different KRs. But I like to think of it as the voice of experience, trying to persuade you guys not to make the same mistakes others have made... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:00:11 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> canopy height, panel height, cockpit width To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041017.110229.3432.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For ease of building, make the bottom to side a 90 degree angle. Or do not taper top to bottom, Virg On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:43:48 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > NetHeads, > > I've flown in probably 10 or 12 different KRs over the years, and > would like > to point out a few things to those of you who are building, in hopes > that > it's not too late to keep you from making the same mistakes that > many > builders make. > > 1) Widen the fuselage at the cockpit, period! The simple truth is > that > anybody who carries a passenger in a KR2 or KR2S (they are both the > SAME > width if built per plans) will want to surgically remove the > passenger's > left arm at the shoulder to avoid discomfort. I'm pretty skinny, > and I > always have to put my arm around the pilot's neck to fly a KR. > Don't let > this happen to you. Widen it at least 3" at the shoulders, or kick > yourself > later when you come to the realization that your passengers will be > miserable. It's easy to do (unless you plan on using the full RR > premolds) > and won't cost you much speed. > > 2) Make the canopy tall enough for passengers. You say you're short > and you > can see just fine? Your next passenger may need a lobotomy to fit > inside. > My canopy is 17" above the longerons (which is per plans, best I > could > tell), and my seat is 1" off the floor, and I only have an inch > above my > headset. It was worse than that, but I just spent the day hacking > up my > seat to lower it two inches! I thought I'd be OK until I bought the > new > Lightspeed headset that has an extra inch of padding on top. Your > choice of > canopy has an effect too. The Dragonfly is flatter across the top, > giving > ample headroom for both pilot and passenger, and allows more lateral > space > so you can look down over the side of the fuselage. But whatever > canopy you > use, it can probably be reshaped to some extent at the aft end to > take on > more of a squarish shape that'll be comfortable to fly in. I once > flew in a > KR2S that I had to bend my head over toward the center of the > cockpit, and > didn't even have enough room for my arms to move far enough to bring > my > camera up to my eye. > > 3) Don't make the instrument panel hang down more than an inch or > two below > the top of the longerons. Mine hangs down 1.5" below the top of > the > longeron, and I have plenty of legroom, but my legs are skinny. > Some of > these guys look like they're slipping their legs through slots. I > got in > one KR2S where my knees were jammed into the bottom of the panel, > right at > the knee cap. I'm still recovering. If you're using the AS5048 > airfoil (the > tall one), don't forget that your main spar just grew about 2" > taller, and > you're going to need even more room under your panel. Most of the > panels I > see have plenty of room to spare between instruments, and could have > easily > been "tightened up" vertically. If you've got two rows of 3.12" > instruments, you've got enough. > > While I am 6 feet tall, I only weigh 142 pounds (that's why I get > all the KR > rides), so I'm not exactly a giant. Having said all of this, my > wife would > probably point out that I'm one of the few people on the planet who > could > manage to complain about having flown in so many different KRs. But > I like > to think of it as the voice of experience, trying to persuade you > guys not > to make the same mistakes others have made... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:38:29 EDT From: Robert7721@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> RE: Trim indicators To: larry2@socal.rr.com Cc: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1ed.2d1c7c59.2ea3ebf5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Larry, Servo motor came from "Hobby Town" it is a HITEC HS-300. Size 1.6 x .8 x 1.4". Plywood thickness was 1/4". I did build a small electronic control board for the management of the servo, but have lost the skematic since. Probably could find another copy on the web if necessary. It was not difficult to built. The servo uses 5 Volt power, I used a Radiio Shack volt regulator and tied the power into my 12 volt system. So far works great on the ground with plenty of sensitivity for control of the trim tab. Rob In a message dated 10/16/2004 7:05:39 PM Central Standard Time, larry2@socal.rr.com writes: Fantastic info, but I have a couple questions >I've got a servo motor doing my elevator trim. source, and size? > I used a (Radio Shack) rotary >potentiometer for the control (less than $5). I made a larger wheel for >the pot out of plywood, painted it black, turned it sideways and put it >in the instrument dash (lower left side in front of pilot). What is the thickness of the plywood that you used for the panel? 1/8" seems a bit too flexible. >I just recently put a white >tick mark on the wheel at the center position for trim. I do have >pictures on >my web site www.robert7721.com under instrument panel. Added to favorites, and THANKS! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:40:53 -0400 From: paulwasp@webtv.net Subject: KR> Re: aileron balancing To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <10659-41729285-627@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Hi; As long as we are on the subject....How close to perfect must the balance be? How much can it be off before it's a problem? Mine is not perfect, and I have no more room to add to it without going into the slipstream. Any thoughts on this? Paul Gangemi KR2s, primed and engine hanging. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:59:37 -0400 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> KR2S for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041017.115937.1612.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I notice it droped off at about 15 hours left on the contract, did you sell it? on e-bay no one bits until the last 10 or 15 minutes, I think you pulled it too soon unless you sold it and got the asking price. Jim On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:17:35 EDT Ballsofbugs@aol.com writes: > T-88 epoxy on the wood , aero poxy on foam and glass. > Jim May > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:15:36 -0400 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Re: aileron balancing To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4b464$8dc90fb0$7819c944@disoganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Go fly it. Balance is important, but precision building can be overdone. Ron Freiberger mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com <- substitute an @ sign ;o) As long as we are on the subject....How close to perfect must the balance be? How much can it be off before it's a problem? Mine is not perfect, and I have no more room to add to it without going into the slipstream. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:15:50 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re: aileron balancing - How close to perfect must the balance be? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41729AB6.000001.03304@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Paul, I think that with the ailerons at neutral, you are going to be in the slipstream, and that is not a problem. I am going to get as close to balanced" as I can and if off a little, I will not sweat it. I have heard that it does not have to be perfect, but that is just hearsay. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:01:04 -0500 From: Vicki Davis Subject: Re: KR> Looking for Joe Davis To: jsaupe6848@earthlink.net, KRnet Message-ID: <4172B360.5030406@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sorry for any and all confusion. Joe Davis (sew-lady@ev1.net) Joachim Saupe wrote: >Joe, >The e-mail address you gave me doesn't work. Please send correct info! >Joachim Saupe > > > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >. > > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:05:23 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> canopy height, panel height, cockpit width To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c4b473$e01b49e0$17485844@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark, I say "ditto" to what you have said about height and width. I have yet to ride in a KR. I am 6'21/2" tall. I weigh 200. I have had 2 opportunities to ride in a KR2 and a KR2S. Both times my head touched the canopy top. I made my cabin 4" wider at the outside. I gave up the convenience and looks of a formed plexiglass canopy, and made my own formers, and now I wish I had made them an inch higher. I do have clearance, but just barely. Now I have a 31/2" wide console down the center of my cockpit. There I have my rudder cables and turnbuckles for adjustment. I also have an armrest. As you have mentioned, one change made makes necessary others (plural). I don't know how necessary it was, but I added 6" to the length of my center spar, to offset the extra width of the cockpit. Happy Building. And, let's don't give up. Ray Goree (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:10:53 -0400 From: paulwasp@webtv.net Subject: Re: KR> Re: aileron balancing - How close to perfect must the balance be? To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <451-4172B5AD-836@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Hi; My thanks to all who answered my query about aileron balancing. The quest goes on! Paul http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:56:19 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> Prop fund - Borrowing? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <159.41fd07af.2ea460a3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I left a note a while back about seeing if anybody had a prop to lend out. I have a 52 x 50 Prince p-tip and would like to try something with a little more pitch. I flew my plane today with a ram scoop on it and after some tweeking look like I will have the Corvair turning over 4000 rpm - a little higher than I would like. It seems that from 3700 to 4000 I dont get very much of a speed increase and am wondering whether or not I am reaching the peak efficiency of the prop aroun the 3700 rpm mark. With a 300 rpm increase I have only increased my speed about 8 mph. If anybody has something I could try for testing let me know. Thanks - Bill ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:26:28 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Prop fund - Borrowing? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006101c4b4b1$8567cd00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bill, Unfortunately the prop bank does not have a prop that is suitable for the counterclockwise rotation of the Corvair engine on a KR. There is one prop on the list which is counterclockwise. It is a Tennessee 62" diameter x 34 pitch with a SAE #1 bolt pattern. I really do not think this will help you any. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:56 PM Subject: KR> Prop fund - Borrowing? > I left a note a while back about seeing if anybody had a prop to lend out. > I have a 52 x 50 Prince p-tip and would like to try something with a little > more pitch. I flew my plane today with a ram scoop on it and after > some tweeking look like I will have the Corvair turning over 4000 rpm > - a little higher > than I would like. It seems that from 3700 to 4000 I dont get very > much of > a speed increase and am wondering whether or not I am reaching the > peak efficiency of the prop aroun the 3700 rpm mark. With a 300 rpm > increase I have > only increased my speed about 8 mph. If anybody has something I could try for > testing let me know. Thanks - Bill > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:33:31 -0500 From: Kevin Jarvis Subject: KR> 2004 Gathering points of origin To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <41732B7B.1040200@MCHSI.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Greetings, In the photos of the 2004 Gathering is the US map with pushpins indicating where everyone came from. From my perspective there is a pin in or near Naples, Florida. Can someone confirm this and if so, the persons name and email. I will be in Naples in early November and would like to see a KR close-up. Thanks. Kevin Jarvis Washington, Iowa/Naples, Florida N741T ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:46:51 -0600 From: "Dan Walker" Subject: Re: KR> Prop fund - Borrowing? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000e01c4b4bc$b90c9f40$e7b5dc18@DJNVYL31> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I used to have a props inc 52/54 but traded my corvair and the prop for a great plains engine. The guy was going to use the corvair on an avid but I think he will need a bigger dia. prop so may be willing to sell the one I gave him. Its brand new and has never been flown with yet only taxied. I was turning it around 2900 rpms static with my corvair. His name is Jimmy Crisp. I've got his phone number but would rather not give it out over the net. You can contact him if you go to www.barnstormers.com and search for mosler. His ad still comes up and that way you can email him and ask about it. >> I left a note a while back about seeing if anybody had a prop to lend > out. >> I have a 52 x 50 Prince p-tip and would like to try something with a > little >> more pitch. I flew my plane today with a ram scoop on it and after >> some tweeking look like I will have the Corvair turning over 4000 rpm >> - a > little higher >> than I would like. It seems that from 3700 to 4000 I dont get very >> much > of >> a speed increase and am wondering whether or not I am reaching the >> peak efficiency of the prop aroun the 3700 rpm mark. With a 300 rpm >> increase I > have >> only increased my speed about 8 mph. If anybody has something I >> could > try for >> testing let me know. Thanks - Bill >> _______________________________________ >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:54:07 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> cure for my Tiny Tach problem To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Cc: gpasc@earthlink.net, KRnet Message-ID: <1cae01c4b4bd$bdedbf70$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" NetHeads, Somebody on CorvAircraft mentioned that the EIS seems to bounce around a bit, maybe plus or minus 80 rpm, and changes rapidly from one reading to another. Mine does the same thing, and it's quite distracting. But I finally got the Tiny Tach to work correctly (no thanks to the manufacturer). I eventually concluded that outside interference from other plug wires was causing it to fluctuate between reading either twice, half, three times, or four times more than the rpm than the engine was actually turning (all within seconds of each other). It was useless. The thing that finally fixed it was wrapping the connection (the red wire that's already wrapped around the chosen plug wire) with aluminum foil, and then grounding that "shield" to the engine block with a ring terminal on the other . All the sudden, the Tiny Tach is the model of a wonderful digital tach....as proven by a digital tachometer that I eventually bought because I certainly couldn't trust the EIS OR the Tiny Tach, and couldn't figure out which one was even in the ballpark. You have to be careful to make sure you don't ground the red pickup wire, so I insulated the end of it (with small diameter shrink tubing or electrical tape) before I did the shield wrapping. To clean things up, copper braid could be used, but it comes unraveled easily during the process, so I stuck with aluminum foil. I used shrink tubing to hold the whole mess together and give it a neat appearance. Since the fix, my Tiny Tach has become my primary tach. I say that because it only updates about once every second or two, and it seems to average the readings so that fluctuations are minimal (in line with the optical tach that I bought). The EIS bounces around so much as to be distracting and difficult to read, the kind of thing that gives digital instruments a bad name versus analog. I guess I should talk to them about that. At the KR Gathering in September Jim Faughn approached me regarding his Tiny Tach, which had acted just like mine, just plain haywire. We were both busy but I gave him the 10 second version of "the fix", which he applied the next morning after finagling some aluminum foil from somewhere. Later in the day he gave me the thumbs up and said it was fixed. The interesting thing about this is that he's using Moroso Blue Max spiral wound sparkplug wires, like mine. The TT seems to be confused by sprial wound wires, but at least now I have a workaround... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 169 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================