From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 189 Date: 11/2/2004 8:59:20 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: VE Resin (Phillip Matheson) 2. Re: VE Resin (Phillip Matheson) 3. R?f. : KR> ideas to monitor fuel transfer from wing tanks? (Serge VIDAL) 4. Re: ideas to monitor fuel transfer from wing tanks? (F Ross) 5. Wing tanks transfer system (Robert L. Stone) 6. Re: Wing tanks transfer system (robert glidden) 7. Re: ideas to monitor fuel transfer from wing tanks? (Ron Eason) 8. Re: Wing tanks transfer system/overflow (Phillip Matheson) 9. Re: Mylar Gap Seals (Robert Morrissey) 10. 395JT (Sylvester Stys) 11. Re: Mylar Gap Seals (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:09:10 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> VE Resin To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001f01c4c0a2$789433f0$f531ddcb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Also keep in mind. VE does not have a very long Shelf Live Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:12:29 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> VE Resin To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002901c4c0a2$f2e16830$f531ddcb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" there is a styrene wax additive that you can buy, that will help cure the outer layer of resin ---------------- Do not use the wax if you intend to redo a layer. The wax stops the next layer from sticking after it's dry. You then have to really sand it back and rough it up to get any more to stick. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:26:16 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: R?f. : KR> ideas to monitor fuel transfer from wing tanks? To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Darren, I have two cheap and easy, flight proiven solutions to offer (tongue in cheek). I got exactly the same setting: two sealed wing tanks that feed the header tank through a pump. And the same Attention Deficit Disorder too. Once, I got a clear warning that I had forgotten to switch the pump off: fuel was overflowing through the header tank cap, and splashed on the canopy. Is that cheap and easy enough for you? Another time, I heard a funny clicking noise, and ended being convinced that I was losing an engine valve. Scrambled back to the airfield, my eyes glued to the engine gauges... until I figured out that I had forgotten to switch the pump off (again), and that clicking noise was coming from the Facet fuel pump trying to pump air from the wing tanks. Second cheap and easy solution... All the switches on my aircraft have a LED on top of them that is a tell-tale of switch position. Fuel transfer is amber, because it must be monitored. Now, I recently installed a second electric fuel pump, whose purpose is to feed the carb (gravity assist, so to speak). Being short of instrument panel real estate, I took the location of the transfer pump switch, and moved the transfer pump switch lower on the panel. Thik I will manage not to confuse between these two? Serge Vidal Paris, France "ponds27" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2004-11-01 01:28 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2004-11-01 01:22 Pour : "Krnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> ideas to monitor fuel transfer from wing tanks? HI Gang Who has the cheap and easy way of monitoring fuel tank transfer. Darren Pond ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:03:17 -0800 (PST) From: F Ross Subject: Re: KR> ideas to monitor fuel transfer from wing tanks? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20041102090317.94191.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The first KR-2 I ever saw was built by Howard Kaiser in Mesa, AZ. He used a hand-pump from a boat. The rubber-ball type. The fuel line ran under his legs and he could just reach down and squeeze the pump whenever he thought of it. Hard to forget you are pumping fuel, but also, might be hard for some of us to remember we NEED to pump, occassionally. Simple, reliable, cheap, good exercise, easy to check and replace. FWIW Frank ===== Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:42:03 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: KR> Wing tanks transfer system To: "KR Builders Pilots" Message-ID: <41878EAB.000006.03360@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, If you are going to have a header tank that feeds directly through a gasclator to the engine and you also want wing tanks for long range, here is a way to insure the header tank does not run out of fuel when wing tanks are full and also pumps from wing tanks are not running when the tank is empty. Any light weight pump designed to pump gas will work and to insure that it only works when there is a need do the following. Install a float switch in the header tank that opens a circut to shut off the pump when the header tank is full. Install another of the same float switch in each wing tank to shut off the pump when the tank is empty. These switches are available in any store that sells boat equipment. This system is automatic if the pumps are wired through the master switch and receive power as soon as it is turned on. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:46:18 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Wing tanks transfer system To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <012f01c4c0ea$b6b34a20$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Why not just do like they did on the aircoops,back in the 40"s and run your wing tanks thru your machanical fuel pump and into your header tank,with a overflow line to return the fuel back to the wing tanks when the header is full.Just a thought. Bob Glidden KR2S/Corvair > Netters, > > If you are going to have a header tank that feeds directly > through a gasclator to the engine and you also want wing tanks for > long range, here is > a way to insure the header tank does not run out of fuel when wing > tanks are > full and also pumps from wing tanks are not running when the tank is empty. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:05:39 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> ideas to monitor fuel transfer from wing tanks? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003201c4c0ed$6a4c8b80$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I us a programmed relay switch to control my header tank level. It's shown at my web site www.jrl-engineering.com I have a little $ investment in the componets and its made for my plane configuration.[ a right and left wing tank and a header tank with a float switch to signal the pumping sequence] I demoed the unit some years ago at a KR flyin. It's automatic and manual operated. KRron ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:38:41 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Wing tanks transfer system/overflow To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006501c4c145$d9e9aa10$c9b1dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Why not just do like they did on the aircoops,back in the 40"s and run your wing tanks thru your machanical fuel pump and into your header tank,with a -------------- Question Would you need to have a sealed, non vented header tank? Because when the header tank was full, would it leak out the breather, as well as back to the overflow to wing tank????? Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:38:17 -0500 From: "Robert Morrissey" Subject: Re: KR> Mylar Gap Seals To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007f01c4c14e$2e01db60$0201a8c0@phoenix> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark: Please put me down for seals. Bob Morrissey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:42 AM Subject: KR> Mylar Gap Seals > Ever wanted to seal those gaps on your ailerons or even your rudder > and horizontal stabilizer? Troy Petteway has proven performance can be > greatly enhanced, especially your climb performance, if you close the > gaps on the bottom of your ailerons. This is especially true on the > new AS50xx airfoil. > The best material we have found so far to do this with is Mylar > strips. The > Mylar has a thickness of .010 (10 mil) and is held on the wing with 3M #444 > double sided tape. Here is the dilemma. So far I have only been able > to locate the .010 Mylar in sheets 24" x 48" and the company that > sells it has > a $100 minimum. That means at $7.41 per sheet we would have to buy 14 > sheets. That is a lot of gap sealing material. Solution: Group buy!!! > Is anyone interested in going in on this with me and Mark Langford? I > figure we > could cut the sheets in strips four inches wide and that would give us > 84 strips 48" long for a total 336 feet of 4" wide strips. Now there > is no way > two of us will ever use that much gap seal material so what do ya > say... anybody else want in on this? If anyone else knows where we can > buy this in > lesser quantities or even in 4" wide rolls please speak up. So you > ask, what > is your cost? Depends on how many people want in on this. Ten folks, fifteen > bucks each. Twenty people, ten bucks each. This includes shipping cost > to you. You will receive enough Mylar to do your ailerons (four 4" x > 48" strips). Additional strips available at additional cost. All of > the Mylar that is left over will be donated to the Prop Bank and sold > in the future to > those that need it and those proceeds will be deposited in the Prop > Bank funds. You will be responsible for getting your own double sided > tape. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:41:48 -0600 From: "Sylvester Stys" Subject: KR> 395JT To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004101c4c14e$ab181ab0$b890490c@yourwg5n33dutv> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bill Walsh, Send me your e-mail address off net. Syl ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:39:18 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Mylar Gap Seals To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005801c4c156$b784d2e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Again everyone. the group buy is off for the Mylar. Eric Pitts led us to a company which sells it very cheap and you can order it direct. 12 feet x 11 1/4 inches for $10.80. That will be plenty for you to have a reserve for later when it needs to be replaced. Here is the link again. http://www.surplussales.com/RF/RFTeflon-Mylar_sht.html When I ordered mine, I had it in two days. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Morrissey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: Re: KR> Mylar Gap Seals > Mark: Please put me down for seals. > Bob Morrissey > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net" > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:42 AM > Subject: KR> Mylar Gap Seals > > > > Ever wanted to seal those gaps on your ailerons or even your rudder > > and horizontal stabilizer? Troy Petteway has proven performance can > > be greatly > > enhanced, especially your climb performance, if you close the gaps > > on the > > bottom of your ailerons. This is especially true on the new AS50xx > airfoil. > > The best material we have found so far to do this with is Mylar > > strips. > The > > Mylar has a thickness of .010 (10 mil) and is held on the wing with > > 3M > #444 > > double sided tape. Here is the dilemma. So far I have only been able > > to locate the .010 Mylar in sheets 24" x 48" and the company that > > sells it > has > > a $100 minimum. That means at $7.41 per sheet we would have to buy > > 14 sheets. That is a lot of gap sealing material. Solution: Group > > buy!!! Is anyone interested in going in on this with me and Mark > > Langford? I figure > we > > could cut the sheets in strips four inches wide and that would give > > us 84 > > strips 48" long for a total 336 feet of 4" wide strips. Now there is > > no > way > > two of us will ever use that much gap seal material so what do ya > > say... anybody else want in on this? If anyone else knows where we > > can buy this > in > > lesser quantities or even in 4" wide rolls please speak up. So you > > ask, > what > > is your cost? Depends on how many people want in on this. Ten folks, > fifteen > > bucks each. Twenty people, ten bucks each. This includes shipping > > cost to > > you. You will receive enough Mylar to do your ailerons (four 4" x > > 48" strips). Additional strips available at additional cost. All of > > the Mylar > > that is left over will be donated to the Prop Bank and sold in the future > to > > those that need it and those proceeds will be deposited in the Prop > > Bank funds. You will be responsible for getting your own double > > sided tape. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 189 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================