From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 197 Date: 11/6/2004 8:59:36 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Issues (Brian Kraut) 2. Update (Mark Jones) 3. RE:Update (Peter Waijenberg) 4. RE: flying (Jim Faughn) 5. Re: Dog tale (rparker) 6. Dog Tale (rhartwig11@juno.com) 7. Re: Re: KR Oil Pressure (Orma) 8. Re: Update (Orma) 9. Re: Update (Mark Jones) 10. Re: Re: KR Oil Pressure (patrusso) 11. Re: Update (Orma) 12. Re: Re: KR Oil Pressure (Orma) 13. Re: Update (Bill Starrs) 14. Taxi testing (Colin & Bev Rainey) 15. Jim Irwin (Ron Freiberger) 16. Re: flying (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 17. Aircraft Spruce is OKAY! (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 18. Re: flying (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 19. Re: flying (JIM VANCE) 20. Re: areo carb adjustments (Joseph H. Horton) 21. Primer for 1835vw, regulator? and Subaru question. (ponds27) 22. wheel alignment (Mark Langford) 23. Re: wheel alignment (Martindale Family) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:19:33 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Issues To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You are right about te ailerons. I was actually pointing out the fact that there are many considerations to changing the ailerons. As far as AS&S, I normally stay out of the who is better debate since Spruce and Wicks both sell my instrument lights, but I have some comments here. I have had some email and phone conversations with Jim Irwin and have found him to be a top notch business man that really cares about his customers. It is very rare to find a president of a company that size that will go so far out of his way to satisfy his customers. Being fair to both sides here, I also will say that I know Scott Wick fairly well along with several of the people that work for him and they are also all excellent people to deal with. You don't have to talk with them for very long before you realize that they have the same passion for aviation as any of us do and they really know their products and are equally committed to keeping their customers happy. We are very fortunate to have two excellent suppliers that we can choose to buy from. There are no suppliers I work with in other industries that compare to either Spruce or Wicks. As far as the Garmin price, I work in the marine electronics industry for my day job and am familiar with Garmin from the supplier's side. Garmin, along with several other manufacturers has a MAP, or Minimum Advertized Price, policy for some products. It basically states that you can not advertize below a certain price. This is done usually with a manufacturer's higher end products. The reasons for it are to give the smaller local servicing dealers that will answer your questions and help with installation and operation issues the ability to carry and sell the products without being beat up by the big chain stores and mail order houses and to help prevent price erosion from competition whick causes dealers to push other manufacturer's products that they can still make some money on. There are pros and cons to this, but many of the smaller dealers see it as a noble attempt by the manufacturer to help level the playing field. Personally, if I was bound to not selling below a certain price and I saw one of my competitors breaking the rules and taking away sales from me by "cheating" I would be the first to jump up and blow the whistle on them, although I would do it quietely. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Colin & Bev Rainey Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:31 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Issues Netters Ailerons: As Larry stated using ailerons during a stall is not bad or prohibited. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:54:30 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Update To: "Corvaircraft" , "KR Net" Message-ID: <002401c4c3c5$1be9d760$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As most of you know, my plane is at the airport and I have been taxi testing with no wings. Last weekend I installed my right wing which houses a 12 gallon aluminum fuel tank, nav lights, strobe lights and a landing light. All of these components were connected and worked perfectly. I even filled the wing tank with fuel and have no leaks. Tomorrow, I plan on doing some more taxi runs less the left wing. Now that should turn some heads. Everyone at the airport is well aware of the new Corvair powered KR on the field and are anxiously awaiting that first flight. My left wing will be completed this weekend and I will take it to the airport and mate it to the plane. After that is done, I will get the FSDO out for an inspection an hopefully get that first flight in by the end of November. If you would like to see a most recent photo of my plane at the airport, click on this link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:36:07 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Waijenberg Subject: KR> RE:Update To: KRnet Message-ID: <20041106103607.77536.qmail@web11327.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, Congrats, i am sure it will fly as great as it looks. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 06:10:18 -0600 From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: RE: KR> flying To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4c3f9$957592c0$0fd65540@jfaughn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Where do you live Bill and how close are you to being finished? Jim Faughn 891JF -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of RENOSADLER@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:36 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> flying Any chance someone has a kr2 around i could get some stick time? all help would be greatly appr. Thanks Bill _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 07:21:17 -0500 From: "rparker" Subject: KR> Re: Dog tale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041106122117.30253.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Having a chocolate and a yellow lab myself I can share your pain. Make yourself a nice big wooden box with a hinged lid and a sign that says "leave packages here" and place it by the door. Its easier to train the Fed Ex Man than a stubborn lab. Rich Parker Peterborough, NH rparker@wwhotspots.com http://theparkers.wwhotspots.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 06:30:32 -0600 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> Dog Tale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041106.063055.2252.4.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, Your dog was obviously trained to detect drugs such as the aircraft parts to which we are all addicted. Dick H >>Anybody want a Black Lab? Mine shredded another FedEx package today>> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:24:21 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR Oil Pressure To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009201c4c40c$4fa324c0$b7a6ff44@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Pat >From what you say, I'm sure that cooling is part of your problem. I >don't think that it is the only one. Answer the following questions. What grade of oil are you using? Did you ever verify that the crank, rod and cam bearings were the correct size and that the gap when bolted were not too large? Another possibility is that the oil pressure relief spring is weak and when it gets warm it looses some of it's tension and lets the oil pressure down. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:21:34 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00c001c4c414$4e465a40$b7a6ff44@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original CAUTION, CAUTION ------ I once heard of a guy that lost control because of the lift just from the stub wings. With one wing on and not the other, it sounds like the potential for disaster. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:31:27 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001901c4c415$b3771660$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK OK, I was just kidding about the one wing taxi. I will be installing my left wing tomorrow. YYEEEEEEEE HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: Re: KR> Update > CAUTION, CAUTION ------ I once heard of a guy that lost control > because of the lift just from the stub wings. With one wing on and > not the other, it sounds like the potential for disaster. > > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR celebrating 20 years > Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:26:15 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR Oil Pressure To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000701c4c414$f514fd40$bea972d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Orma First, thanks for your patience. I am using straight 40 wt. Had 5-30 at first but changed to 40 I did verify that crank, rod and cam bearings were plasti-gaged before final assembly. Have to trust my son on this one, he assembled the lower end and swears that it was done. I will change the pressure relief spring. I will be amazed and delighted if it is that simple. I will try that before assembling the remote oil cooler. Today I am going to attach a little homemade air scoop over the cooler to see if that helps the temperature. Have ten hours taxi tests already reaching speeds of 40 mph and am chafing at the bit. Am afraid to take off with the assumption that speed and level flight will cool the oil down enough to change pressure. As the old MG auto company used to advertise; Safety first and safety Fast! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:24 AM Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR Oil Pressure > Hello Pat > >From what you say, I'm sure that cooling is part of your problem. I don't > think that it is the only one. Answer the following questions. What grade > of oil are you using? Did you ever verify that the crank, rod and cam > bearings were the correct size and that the gap when bolted were not too > large? Another possibility is that the oil pressure relief spring is weak > and when it gets warm it looses some of it's tension and lets the oil > pressure down. > > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR celebrating 20 years > Flying, flying and more flying > http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:44:22 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00cf01c4c417$7d4b3830$b7a6ff44@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just remember to buckle up just in case Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:55:28 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR Oil Pressure To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d201c4c419$0a261170$b7a6ff44@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Pat when I was fighting my temp problems after the turbo installation, It was hard to admit to myself that the cylinder cooling had such a great effect on the oil temp which in turn reduced the oil pressure. The CHT in my case was just too high. I rearranged the baffles and now the cht is down and the oil temp is down and the pressure is higher. I never had the pressure go below 15 PSI even with the cht near 500. I'm now using 20 W 50 oil and find that the oil temp will only go up past 190 if I insist on staying in the pattern and just doing take off's and landings, with no cooling time in between. Check to make sure that if you are using a direct read gauge that there is no kinks in the tubing, and if using an electric gauge, that the ground is really good. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:20:41 -0700 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> Update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001d01c4c424$f2169710$dd08b83f@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, I would be careful taxing without the wings I heard of KRs noseing over because of this. Happing flying , Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "Corvaircraft" ; "KR Net" Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: KR> Update As most of you know, my plane is at the airport and I have been taxi testing with no wings. Last weekend I installed my right wing which houses a 12 gallon aluminum fuel tank, nav lights, strobe lights and a landing light. All of these components were connected and worked perfectly. I even filled the wing tank with fuel and have no leaks. Tomorrow, I plan on doing some more taxi runs less the left wing. Now that should turn some heads. Everyone at the airport is well aware of the new Corvair powered KR on the field and are anxiously awaiting that first flight. My left wing will be completed this weekend and I will take it to the airport and mate it to the plane. After that is done, I will get the FSDO out for an inspection an hopefully get that first flight in by the end of November. If you would like to see a most recent photo of my plane at the airport, click on this link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:00:35 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Taxi testing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b601c4c43b$48316dd0$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark Just my 2 cents worth. When I was taxi testing in preparation for the first flight I was amazed at how soon the airplane wanted to lift off. It could be made to "skip" on the runway at approx 45mph and was in ground effect somewhere around 50mph ( not sure since the pitot tube had blockage I was unaware of until climbout ). With your big Corvair you will reach those speeds fairly quickly. I would recommend only using about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle to get it rolling and then bring it back to just enough to maintain speed. My KR behaved wonderfully in ground effect and was very predictable and docile, provided that I only gave it what it needed. Playing alittle bit with the controls to see response yielded a high speed taxi resembling a first time pilot in a twin, wiggling and waggling all over the centerline! Have fun, FLY SAFE! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:07:16 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: KR> Jim Irwin To: "KRNET" Message-ID: <000a01c4c444$a025d270$7819c944@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've had exceptional help from Jim Irwin. Going even further back, his mother Flo helped with problems no other companies were interested in? They have worked hard to help me on issues that were not very profitable. To read all this acrimonious whining about what is reality is absurd. When orders get screwed up as they will with a business situation, their efforts to correct the problem is beyond reproach. We should all be pleased to have AS&S help and support. Too paraphrase one of our illustrious builders," There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for being a whinny-ass is over.". Back to work. Ron Freiberger mail to rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:04:20 EST From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> flying To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <15d.432057ca.2ebec084@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Where are you located? ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:24:37 EST From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> Aircraft Spruce is OKAY! To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <195.32608567.2ebec545@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ive had no problems with Aircraft Spruce and their employees have been very helpful. I ordered a EGT probe on Thursday and had it Friday by noon. Impressive! I cant afford the fancy radios yet - but thats what friends are for! Ive been able to borrow a handheld com and a GPS for a few months so I cant complain. If anybody would like to buy a Restored VW bug (specify you year and model desired) maybe I could buy one of dem fancy dancy radio thingees.... Bill ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:25:58 EST From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> flying To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <100.5df0e04.2ebec596@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I was trying to find out about "renosadler"? - wanting a KR ride - ??? ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:30:46 -0600 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: Re: KR> flying To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002e01c4c472$30472020$0300a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm north of Claflin, Kansas. If you put your finger right in the middle of the map of Kansas, it will be on Claflin. There used to be a one-room schoolhouse a mile north of my place that was name State Center, because it was. Jim Vance ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: Re: KR> flying > Where are you located? > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:35:46 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: KR> Re: areo carb adjustments To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041106.213547.3080.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:25:58 EST IFLYKRS@aol.com writes: > Bill Clapp, Awhile back you mentioned in a post that you installed the ram air to the carb and had to screw with the carb settings some more. What did you have to do? I'll finish up the carb heat box tomorrow and the intake through the cowl nose and would like to know what you have discovered about the settings and how it affected your engine in flight. Thank you, Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:53:57 -0500 From: "ponds27" Subject: KR> Primer for 1835vw, regulator? and Subaru question. To: "Krnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" HI Gang My Kr 1835vw engine came with an alternator. Do alternators all have regulators built in or do I need to locate one? If I need to find one what am I asking for and from where? Do I need a primer with side flow carburetor? Can I use a primer from something other then an aircraft suppliers? Where should the primer line go to in the intake manifold? I'm assuming near the cylinder intake? Any Subaru guys out there? Can some one tell me what the original transmission flange bolt (stud) thread size is ? The location where a redrive would mount. I'm guessing 10mm and tried a 10x1.25 but that didn't seem right? I'm just wishing to put in on a engine stand for now. Big dreams in the future. Darren Pond Private Pilot Night Rated Cambridge Ont Taylor Mono Plane CF-VML @CYKF For sale KR2 C-GGGW in the garage for little bit longer. ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:32:58 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> wheel alignment To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01bc01c4c47a$7a38bf10$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Today I worked on the wheel alignment. I ran through it all once, only to realize that the plane would never be moving on the ground without a pilot, so did it all over again. But unlike yesterday, I've had a charmed life today. Now that the wings are (temporarily) mounted, the gear splayed a little more (and a half a degree per 150 pound pilot or passenger), so I'm not nearly as toe-in as I thought I was. The wheels are almost perfectly vertical with 3/4 fuel. One 1/32" aluminum shim in the right place tomorrow should get the toe-in down to .75 degrees, which is close enough in my book. And the wheels will be almost exactly in line with the fuselage centerline. The photo at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/04110685m.jpg shows finding the plane's centerline with the laser level, and the rest I've done once before, at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kgear.html ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:57:57 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> wheel alignment To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00db01c4c486$59763f80$12491fd3@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Mark You'll probably also find that with a little toe-in as you wheel the beast backwards over several metres (say into a hanger) the wheels will work their way outwards and splay the legs until they build up sufficient flex to overcome tread friction and spring in again. This factor caused me hassles in setting my toe-in and camber correctly..... also it alters as you lift the tail because the legs move from an angle to more vertical. There are many other variables as you have described...so many that I finished up making the arbitary decision to go with zero toe-in and camber at gross weight in level attitude. Seems to work OK. Prop torque and hasty power changes seems to have a much more profound effect on controllability in my aircraft than does small shim changes to axle geometry. John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au > Today I worked on the wheel alignment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 197 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================