From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 199 Date: 11/8/2004 8:59:20 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mark Jones - NICE ! (Mark Jones) 2. Don Reid (Stephen Jacobs) 3. choke (Dan Nafe) 4. Re: Mark Jones - NICE ! (Scott) 5. Re: Don Reid (Donald Reid) 6. Re: Don Reid (Donald Reid) 7. Homebuilt Aircraft Magazine (David Brandon Sr) 8. Re: Don Reid (Mark Langford) 9. RE: Don Reid (Doug Rupert) 10. RE: choke (Doug Rupert) 11. Fw: [saaa_ch20] Fast Way to get flying (Phil Matheson) 12. Re: Fw: [saaa_ch20] Fast Way to get flying (Robert L. Stone) 13. auto carbs (Colin & Bev Rainey) 14. pictures please (Kevin Jarvis) 15. Regestered repairable kr2s for sale (j stevens) 16. Re: pictures please (Bill Starrs) 17. Re: Don Reid (Karl) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:05:21 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Mark Jones - NICE ! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <015001c4c550$9118e580$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bill,I was running down the runway with my nose wheel off the ground. Does that mean I halfway flew today? I was pulling a Richard Shirley in reverse! My tanks were 3/4 full and I could tell that if I had added just a tad more power, I would have been airborne. Guess I had better wait for the inspection though. I was real amazed at how easy and quick the nose raised up with the wings on. Dana's tanks have not leaked so far. The right wing had fuel in it since last weekend. Yeee Haaaa time is getting real close. My static is 2750 with the Sterba. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: Re: KR> Mark Jones - NICE ! > Looking good Mark - hope to fly with you soon. By the way - what is you > static rpm with that Sterba prop? Bill > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:02:25 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: KR> Don Reid To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4c560$ee848110$3c64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Don With reference to the "Specs and Mods" comment on your web site: In the narrative you mention a stretch of 5" fwd and 6" aft for a total of 11" over the KR2S - thus a new length of 16'11". Your root chord is 4" greater (48 to 52) so maybe another inch or so in the distance between the spars and thus the overall length - so maybe a total of 17'. In the table comparing the KR2 /KR2S /KR2XL you give a length of 18'6" for your airplane. I am missing something here. Thanks Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:57:06 -0500 From: Dan Nafe Subject: KR> choke To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <13A054F6-318E-11D9-B7FA-000393CCA926@scuba-training.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed As I understand it, the reason aviation carburetors don't have choke plates is because a failure of any part of the choke plate/valve, springs, actuator, etc. would cause the engine to quit. Aviation carburetors are supposedly a "fail-safe" design in that any broken part will cause the engine to go to take-off power, rather than idle (as in automotive carburetors). -- Dan Nafe SCUBA-Training.net 5976 20th Street #212 Vero Beach, FL 32966 voice: 772 299 0057 fax: 772 299 6257 http://www.scuba-training.net e-mail: dan@scuba-training.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:05:29 -0500 From: Scott Subject: Re: KR> Mark Jones - NICE ! To: KRnet Message-ID: <418F7D29.9090402@ctc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mark Jones wrote: >Bill,I was running down the runway with my nose wheel off the ground. >Does that mean I halfway flew today? > I think you only 1/3rd flew. It's hard to halfway fly when you have three wheels. ;) Scott Raleigh NC ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:06:54 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Don Reid To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20041108085717.01b1b450@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:02 AM 11/8/2004, you wrote: >Hi Don > >With reference to the "Specs and Mods" comment on your web site: > >In the narrative you mention a stretch of 5" fwd and 6" aft for a total >of 11" over the KR2S - thus a new length of 16'11". > >Your root chord is 4" greater (48 to 52) so maybe another inch or so in >the distance between the spars and thus the overall length - so maybe a >total of 17'. > >In the table comparing the KR2 /KR2S /KR2XL you give a length of 18'6" >for your airplane. > >I am missing something here. There is no increase/change in the distance between the spars. I added in front of the main spar and behind the rear spar. What I said that I added over and above the KR2S is accurate. Without getting out the plans and looking at all of the dimensions, I can't tell you where the overall length came from. In addition, the published KR dimensions are based on a "stock" KR with a VW engine. There are also discrepancies in plan dimensions versus literature dimensions. My final length is actually somewhat longer than I originally planned. I did a weight and balance before making the engine mount so that the balance would be correct without ballast. I have an O-200 without a starter and a very small alternator. My engine weight is approximately the same as a heavy VW and less than a Corvair. With all the mods, the engine mount is longer than anticipated. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://www.eaa231.org/AeroFoil/index.htm KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:17:30 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Don Reid To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20041108091110.01b33ec0@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I want to apologize to the KR net for the previous post. I did not realize that the question came over the net, I assumed that it was directed specifically to me. I responded as if it were a private conversation. Please refer to the KR network rules that Mark Langford has published. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://www.eaa231.org/AeroFoil/index.htm KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:36:43 -0500 From: "David Brandon Sr" Subject: KR> Homebuilt Aircraft Magazine To: Message-ID: <002901c4c5a0$5e49ca70$6401a8c0@dbrandon1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Guys, Longtime lurker,entering delurk mode. I started a KR1 in the 70's ( i have very early plans-I didnt even get a serial number), unfortunantly, high school, college, the Air Force and mariage got in the way and I finally sold the project(wonder where it is?). I am now about ready to start a ner project,probably a KR2s. In going thru some old stuff I found a copy of Homebuilt Aircraft Magazine from Februrary 1981. It has part one of an article on building a Kr2 as well as part one of an article on building a Pollywagon. Does anyone know if this mag still exixts? Does anyone have the later editions with parts 2 or more to these articles? I would like to get copies, of anything to do with KR's but am also interested in the Pollywagon fuselage design. I would be happy to scan and post the parts 1 if anyone is interested and the magazine is defunct.(I can find nothing about it on the web) Let me know what you think David Brandon beone@charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:20:32 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Don Reid To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01a701c4c5ae$df32b440$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >In the table comparing the KR2 /KR2S /KR2XL you give a length of > >18'6" for your airplane. I am missing something here. I can tell you why it's longer....take a look at the cowling on that thing! No problem with the post to KRnet Don. I've done it myself, and I'm sure a lot of folks are interested in the details of your plane anyway. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:58:36 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Don Reid To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001201c4c5bc$9ae3f250$3004e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don I for one that it came out on the net as my project is going along the same lines and it is nice to know that there are others who have done this as verification that it can be done. Doug Rupert ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:05:26 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> choke To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001301c4c5bd$8760b7d0$3004e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All those issues can be addressed by manual choke and direct linkage to the carburetor. Only problem that I can see with an automotive carb is the inability for manual mixture adjustment. Anyone got any ideas on this, please post or send direct off the net. Doug Rupert ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:48:58 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: KR> Fw: [saaa_ch20] Fast Way to get flying To: "KR Builder & Pilots" Message-ID: <000201c4c5c8$f67bb510$3fb0dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > > A good projet for anyone wanting to get in the air quickly... > > http://www.yves-rossy.com/en/jetman.php > > Phillip Matheson ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:18:35 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: [saaa_ch20] Fast Way to get flying To: Message-ID: <418FD49B.000001.03428@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's ;amazing how many ways us humans figure out how to fly like the birds. It's another mistake in nature, ,we should have all been born with wings. Bob Stone, Harker Hieghts, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 11/08/04 13:29:01 To: KR Builder & Pilots Subject: KR> Fw: [saaa_ch20] Fast Way to get flying > > A good projet for anyone wanting to get in the air quickly... > > http://www.yves-rossy.com/en/jetman.php > > Phillip Matheson _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:11:28 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> auto carbs To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a601c4c5f9$0a697af0$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" True auto carbs will suck the choke plate open and default to no choke if they are not tampered with to do otherwise, so I don't know what the issue is concerning choke malfunction. If the linkage to the choke breaks, the choke just doesn't work, because the auto maunfacturers make it so more of the plate is inboard of the pivot point than outboard. Manual linkage allows you to control how much while cold. By using a filtered air bleed, a simple air valve installed into the intake before it splits into the 4 individual runners will allow for leaning the mixture. Installing something similar to a drain cock from a radiator will allow gradual air bleeding or leaning of the mixture at pilots control. Most good auto carbs have internal mixture adjustment that don't require input from the pilot due to internal diaphrams and needles that adjust mixture according to the vacuum signal, in essence the airflow. In short a good auto carb don't need to be messed with. Run it as is! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:21:45 -0600 From: Kevin Jarvis Subject: KR> pictures please To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <41901BA9.5010303@MCHSI.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Greetings KRer's Does anyone have several pictures that they are willing to share of the sliding canopy on the Starrs KR1 and pictures of Dr Dean's KR construction especially his boat or know where I can find them ? All of the Dr Dean links that I found are broken and I can find mostly nothing about Starrs construction. I have found only 2 pictures each of these aircraft and not much to look at either. I have emailed both gentlemen, but haven't heard from them, presumably they are just as busy as everyone else. . . . Would someone define for me "plug" as in "made a plug and then a mold...." I don't seem to have the process clear in my head as in when making a cowling or wheel pants. Thanks Kevin Ottumwa/Naples ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:56:47 -0600 From: j stevens Subject: KR> Regestered repairable kr2s for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <419023DF.2030909@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi I have a repairable kr2s for sale . I live in Minnesota and need to sell it soon as possable as I lost my hanger space. I will consider any offer, A list of some of the parts is attached. Please contact me through my email or phone number. Thanks Joel jes@usfamily.net (651)774-1563 ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: 299DS parts list.txt Url: http://mylist.net/private/krnet/attachments/20041108/7576cb4d/299DSpartslist-0001.txt ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:12:44 -0700 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> pictures please To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c4c5f9$38c41680$1c10b83f@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I did not receive your request, but I can tell you they are slides that you use on filing cabinets, and can be purchased at most hardware stores.I don't have any close up photos but will trey to take some when I can. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Jarvis" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: KR> pictures please Greetings KRer's Does anyone have several pictures that they are willing to share of the sliding canopy on the Starrs KR1 and pictures of Dr Dean's KR construction especially his boat or know where I can find them ? All of the Dr Dean links that I found are broken and I can find mostly nothing about Starrs construction. I have found only 2 pictures each of these aircraft and not much to look at either. I have emailed both gentlemen, but haven't heard from them, presumably they are just as busy as everyone else. . . . Would someone define for me "plug" as in "made a plug and then a mold...." I don't seem to have the process clear in my head as in when making a cowling or wheel pants. Thanks Kevin Ottumwa/Naples _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 02:50:04 +1300 From: "Karl" Subject: Re: KR> Don Reid To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01c4c33e$5c047080$LocalHost@doreenba> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" -----Original Message----- +AD4-Hi Don +AD4- +AD4-With reference to the +ACI-Specs and Mods+ACI- comment on your web +site: +AD4- Don Can teel us why you went for a longer chord? What are the advanages you gained and at what cost, proformance wise? Karl ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 199 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================