From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 225 Date: 11/30/2004 8:59:20 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Carbs (Colin & Bev Rainey) 2. asking price for a KR2 (Lee Van Dyke) 3. RE: Carburetor (Doug Rupert) 4. Re: General Homebuilt Info (patrusso) 5. Redoing the WAFS (Serge VIDAL) 6. a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's (larry flesner) 7. a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's (larry flesner) 8. RE: a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's (Mark Jones) 9. a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's (larry flesner) 10. Re: Redoing the WAFS (Dick Goff) 11. Re: General Homebuilt Info (Orma) 12. Re: Redoing the WAFS (Orma) 13. a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's (larry flesner) 14. Re: General Homebuilt Info (patrusso) 15. WOW_EEEE (Orma) 16. Homebuilt Question (rhartwig11@juno.com) 17. Re: Homebuilt Question (larry severson) 18. EAA take on ELSA (Colin & Bev Rainey) 19. Re: canopy (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 20. Re: canopy (Matthew Elder) 21. Re: Instrument Repairs. ASI (Phil Matheson) 22. RE: canopy (Stephen Jacobs) 23. Re: Instrument Repairs. ASI (larry severson) 24. Re: Instrument Repairs. ASI (w.higdon9604@comcast.net) 25. Comments on ELSA (ronevogt@cox.net) 26. Re: Redoing the WAFS (Robert Morrissey) 27. Re: Instrument Repairs. ASI (jscott.pilot@juno.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:24:33 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Carbs To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001901c4d69c$e08102d0$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Hog Air line of engines are running a Harley carb, but I don't know the size. I personally would pull that prop and see what rpm I could get with just the engine being careflu not to redline the motor ( the same as revving it in neutral ). If you can get close to redline with say half to 3/4 throttle, I would think that the carb is sufficient. The math formula for calculating CFM size of carbs is: street carb = rpm x displacement (in CID ) divided by 3456 x 0.85 = cfm size carb. Convert square inches to square centimeters CC x 0.0610237 = CID My engine: 1915 cc x 0.0610237 = 116.86 CID Now take CID 116.86 x 3400rpm = 397,324 / 3456 = 114.96643 x 0.85 = 97.721465 or simply a carb rated for approximately 98cfm. That is measuring the engine output at a standard auto engine efficiency of 85%, not 100%. At 100% you would use the 115cfm figure before the last multiplying. Unless you are using a racing engine it is always better to go at least one size smaller carb due to the fact that the engine cannot reach the rpm necessary to use the air available at wide open throttle, and therefore will SLOW DOWN at wide open throttle not speed up. I have proven this on the drag strip changing from a dual plane intake to a single plane intake which effectively went from cutting the carb in half, to giving every cylinder access to the whole carb. The engine would actually nose over and start slowing at wide open throttle compared to running faster at 3/4 throttle. Also not having some engine heat applied to the mix is only good for wide open throttle, and not acceptable for part throttle operations. You will fight a rich/lean mixture problem if the incoming charge cools the air/fuel mix enough for the gas to begin condensing on the intake walls and then get sucked in by the next cylinder. Things that effect volumetric efficiency: air filter, restictions in intake system, exhaust restrictions, valve train restrictions, cam design, and whether the carb can fully open at max throttle position. The manufacturer should be able to give a guidline as to what CID/CC size engine the carb is designed to support, and what the cfm rating is for the carb. It is also possible that your prop is pitching out to beyond 48 too early if your engine will not rev up. That is what was happening with mine and I had to go down to a 44 to get 47 to 48 inflight at cruise. FLY SAFE! Colin & Beverly Rainey Rainey Mortgage Professionals, LLC crainey@apexlending.com 407-323-6960 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:08:29 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: KR> asking price for a KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c4d6a3$0344f280$6501a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What is the highest known sale price of a KR2 not a "S". What would be a good asking price for a KR2 with build quality @ a 8+, paint @ a 9 VW 2180, VFR Low to Avg hours. Fixed gear tail tragger. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:18:03 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Carburetor To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <006501c4d6ac$d24b0f70$2a04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Stock Harley Carb is Kehlin 38mm. You want her to haul the mail go for the S&S Series G carb that comes in at 52mm. Doug Rupert -----Original Message----- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:51:26 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002701c4d6d2$ecf56d40$78a772d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Orma I THINK (hope) I am doing IT today! All seems to be working fine now,sooo..if the duck gets up you'll hear from me this evening. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:49:12 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: KR> Redoing the WAFS To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My trusted KR2, ZS-WEC, is going in for a major overhaul. I have decided to take the WAFs out, to resurface and repaint them, and to replace the fitting hardware. On Saturday, after a long battle, I managed to take the first pair of WAFs out. This involved, among other hassles, cutting the bolts heads with a pneumatc hacksaw. It was worth doing, since I can now see that the WAFS are corroded in place. Which is pretty normal. After all, they are at least 14 years old, and spent most of their life near the sea. Anyway, the rusted metal left rust stains on the spars wood. Any idea how I can clean that? Now, the intention is to clean the WAFS using a Nylon rotary brush, then repaint them with Zinc chromate primer. Question: Is there anything I must do before I paint wih the primer? Cleaning with a special solvent? Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:14:04 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041130071404.007eaa10@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:40 PM 11/29/04 -0500, you wrote: >Larry wrote: >> Soooooo, all you builder out there thinking you'll work on the KR >> tomorrow, go out and get something done today. There is not only >> light at the end of the tunnel, there is a WHOLE BUNCH OF FUN TO BE >> HAD TOO. GET TO BUILDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pic's are at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/ First four pic's are from Sunday's flight. Thanks again Mark........ Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:22:03 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041130072203.007e0da0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 10:40 PM 11/29/04 -0500, you wrote: >>Larry wrote: >>> Soooooo, all you builder out there thinking you'll work on the KR >>> tomorrow, go out and get something done today. There is not only >>> light at the end of the tunnel, there is a WHOLE BUNCH OF FUN TO BE >>> HAD TOO. GET TO BUILDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pic's are at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/ First four pic's are from Sunday's flight. Thanks again Mark........ Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:43:22 -0600 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC2025ED0DA@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excellent photos Larry!!! Is that mud on the bottom of your left wing above the wheel? I am coming up there to join you soon...you will have to give me pointers on formation flying. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI -----Original Message----- From: k larry flesner Subject: KR> a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's Pic's are at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/ First four pic's are from Sunday's flight. Thanks again Mark........ Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:59:38 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041130075938.007ab620@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Excellent photos Larry!!! Is that mud on the bottom of your left wing >above the wheel? I am coming up there to join you soon...you will have >to give me pointers on formation flying. Mark Jones ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That spot on the bottom of the left wing is an auto fuel stain in the primer. I hope to fix that when I repaint the wings, maybe next spring. The only secret to formation flying is to "stay close". :-) I'm not good enough yet to be teaching anyone but I know when you are that close you don't look at anything but the other airplane. It might look like you're parked from where you're setting but things can happen at the speed of light! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:11:53 -0500 From: dcgoff@webtv.net (Dick Goff) Subject: Re: KR> Redoing the WAFS To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <4371-41AC7FA9-661@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Hi Serge, I would suggest that you use "Stits Epoxy Primer" instead of Zinc Chromate. It is much more durable and longer lasting than Zinc Chromate. Dick Goff dcgoff@webtv.net ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:58:49 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001601c4d6ed$1a047730$4b32d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Go for it Pat. If it feels right, just do it. Good luck. I expect the next report to be a YEEEEE HAAA! Be Safe Orma ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:04:50 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Redoing the WAFS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002101c4d6ed$f1460e70$4b32d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original the intention is to clean Hello Serge Rust will pit the metal as well as flake. I would bead blast the WAF's to make sure that all the corrosion was removed. I would also sand and reseal the spars, while you have access to them. Also check the bolt holes for fit and the remainder of any rust. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:07:17 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> a YEEE HAAA kind of day- pic's To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041130110717.007d9100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For Netters with a slow modem connect, like me, try the following: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/lf101.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/lf102.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/lf103.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/lf104.jpg Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:24:24 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c4d701$7ada9120$d2a672d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Orma I am not a yeee haaaa type of person, but WOW_EEEE did that duck jump off of the ground. Did a half hour of slow speed practice but found that I was very very busy trying to get aquainted with the handling. Landed a bit hard but all is well. Grass strip, 2200 feet, Temperature 34 degrees. CHT 375, oil temp 160, oil pressure 30 lbs. Take off roll about 700 feet, going up hill, lift off about 50 mph, Max speed until I got control was 100 in the climb out, \Two mile final at 70 mph, touch down about sixty, hit a traffic nose cone on the side of the runway that did minor damage. Thanks for all the help. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info > Go for it Pat. If it feels right, just do it. > Good luck. I expect the next report to be a YEEEEE HAAA! > > Be Safe > > Orma > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:56:10 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> WOW_EEEE To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003401c4d705$e2f80590$4b32d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Congratulations Pat on that first fight in the KR. I'm sure this flight made all the frustration seem small. Orma ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:03:14 -0600 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> Homebuilt Question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041130.140315.2800.1.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Colin and those interested in building a KR that can be flown by a Sport Pilot, I sent an inquiry to the EAA. The following is my question and the response from Joe Norris: To: info services Subject: Experimental LSA If I build a one-off original design aircraft that meets the requirements for an Experimental LSA what proof must I provide that it meets the requirements? Dick Hartwig EAA #84582 Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com Hello Dick, You simply must document, through flight test records, that the aircraft meets the light-sport aircraft (LSA) definition. The FAA is not going to do any special testing or inspection to document whether an amateur-built aircraft meets the LSA definition or not. It will be up to the builder/pilot to document this. Remember that it is the pilot's responsibility to assure that he/she is flying an aircraft that meets the definition, so if the aircraft you design and build appears to be close to the limits, it might be wise to have a private pilot (or higher) do the initial flight testing, at least to the point that the basic performance numbers are verified and recorded, so as to assure that the sport pilot is not operating an aircraft that does not fit the LSA definition. Hope this helps! Let me know if you have further questions. Joe Norris EAA Aviation Services EAA Aviation Center, Oshkosh, WI 888-322-4636, extension 6806 jnorris@eaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:18:23 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Homebuilt Question To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041130121407.0264daf8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Dick Hartwig EAA #84582 >Waunakee, WI >rhartwig11@juno.com >Hello Dick, >You simply must document, through flight test records, that the >aircraft meets the light-sport aircraft (LSA) definition. The FAA is >not going to do any special testing or inspection to document whether >an amateur-built aircraft meets the LSA definition or not. It will be >up to the builder/pilot to document this. BUT: You need to predict flight performance prior to flight to get an airworthiness certificate. Longer wings will allow slower flight due to reduced wingloading, but it will increase the short coupling problem. A smaller engine will slow the plane down, but you may not have a safe climb at GW. Oh, well, it sounds like fun. > >Remember that it is the pilot's responsibility to assure that he/she is >flying an aircraft that meets the definition, so if the aircraft you >design and build appears to be close to the limits, it might be wise to >have a private pilot (or higher) do the initial flight testing, at >least to the point that the basic performance numbers are verified and >recorded, so as to assure that the sport pilot is not operating an >aircraft that does not fit the LSA definition. > >Hope this helps! Let me know if you have further questions. > >Joe Norris >EAA Aviation Services >EAA Aviation Center, Oshkosh, WI >888-322-4636, extension 6806 >jnorris@eaa.org > > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:45:31 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> EAA take on ELSA To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c4d71d$888f1b80$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dick I appreciate the remarks offered by the EAA person. However, they are VERY optimistic and not consistent with actual FAA performance. If the aircraft in question supposedly tests out to ELSA and then later thru investigation the FAA decides, without having to show crediability mind you ( scientific approach etc ) that the aircraft does not qualify the builder pilot and any pilot there after will be/can be cited for flying the aircraft if they were not properly rated. Example: the FAA will not cite a pilot for being under the influence before the flight, because he has not flown, so only a warning is appropriate. Upon landing though he has now demonstarted he intended and did fly DUI. Now he is cited, and violated. The same holds true for your aircraft. I have no faith in what the EAA or AOPA is saying about the good that is coming from this category, because the commentary is in direct contradiction to it. The EAA and AOPA is running scared because they believe that the pilots will find out the truth and quit altogether. Remember the discussion about how the FAA decides whether or not an explaination is correct concerning the Regs? They ask you, and if they like your explaination then they say yes. They have given all they are going to give up front. Now they will make their statements after the fact. Please all just have a backup plan for being able to fly and not lose your investment. I don't want to see alot of builders by into this new category, or build projects thinking they can certify in it, only to find after so many years of hard patient buidling they can't. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:44:58 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> canopy To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <7f.524bc5c9.2ede43da@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Doe's anybody have an email ad or ph# for Todds canopy Thanks Bill ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:50:02 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Elder Subject: Re: KR> canopy To: KRnet Message-ID: <20041130215003.33226.qmail@web13921.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 954-579-0874 As posted on the WEBSITE! http://www.toddscanopies.com/ Matt RENOSADLER@aol.com wrote: Doe's anybody have an email ad or ph# for Todds canopy Thanks Bill _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:01:42 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR>Instrument Repairs. ASI To: Cc: KR Builder & Pilots Message-ID: <003501c4d728$2e041660$a8b1dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My last post said I have a New ( as far as I know) Winter ( West Germany)Air Speed indicator, that came with my KR2, it does not work, the needle seems to be free to move but no movement when connected to a Pitot tube and placed out the window of at car at 120kmh. Are they worth fixing . Who can repair them ?? in Australia Or just buy a new one?? Phil Matheson --------------------------------------------------------------- The above post was not meant for the KR net ,( but our local SAAA group) but now I thought had better explain it a little better. Guys sorry my last post was not as clear as it could have been. ASI (Winter W22405) 0 to 160 knots How I tested my ASI The Pitot tube was put out the car window, The glass held the tube in place. Plastic correct tube run to the Pitot line on the ASI the static line left uncovered and NOT connected inside the vehicle. IT did not move the needle. at 120kmh. Next I blew very gently into the Pitot tube, Nothing happened I could blow as hard as I liked into the Pitot line and the needle did not move, ( NO the tube was not blocked) The static line seems to be free of obstruction. If I gentle tap on the side of the ASI, the needle does move. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:01:24 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> canopy To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4d728$285db4f0$5d64a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Doe's anybody have an email ad or ph# for Todds canopy Thanks Bill ++++++++++++++++++++ Email: BSILVER05@aol.com Cell # : 954-579-0874 Web URL: http://kgarden.com/todd/types.htm ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:43:20 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR>Instrument Repairs. ASI To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041130144141.026be578@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:01 AM 12/1/2004 +1100, you wrote: >My last post said >I have a New ( as far as I know) Winter ( West Germany)Air Speed >indicator, that came with my KR2, it does not work, the needle seems to >be free to move but no movement when connected to a Pitot tube and >placed out the window of at car at 120kmh. Sounds like the needle is not locked on the shaft. Had that happen lots of times with cheap clocks. If you can take the instrument apart, attach the needle and try it again. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 00:53:50 +0000 From: w.higdon9604@comcast.net Subject: Re: KR>Instrument Repairs. ASI To: KRnet Message-ID: <120120040053.15659.41AD161E000B6C1800003D2B2200737478CBCFC0C702010B090708D299@comcast.net> Phil, IIRC Winters is a good name, and if you can find a instrument shop down under to fix it it may be worth it. As opposed to some of the crap from China or else where Bill Higdon > My last post said > I have a New ( as far as I know) Winter ( West Germany)Air Speed > indicator, that came with my KR2, it does not work, the needle seems > to be free to move but no movement when connected to a Pitot tube and > placed out the window of at car at 120kmh. Are they worth fixing . > Who can repair them ?? in Australia > Or just buy a new one?? > Phil Matheson ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:59:10 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Comments on ELSA To: Message-ID: <20041201005910.UKSY5357.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Netters: I enjoyed Colin's discussion on how the FAA works. Which brings to mind an old saying: "The FAA is not happy until you are not happy". RV ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:51:50 -0500 From: "Robert Morrissey" Subject: Re: KR> Redoing the WAFS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008a01c4d748$55527160$0201a8c0@phoenix> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Serge: Remove the paint and inspect for oversize/elongated holes. Oversize holes can be repaired. If rust is only on the surface it can be removed . If rust has created pitting, then a closer look is required. Pits adjacent to holes are not good, as well as near the end of the fitting for bolting the WAF pieces together. If you are going to paint the fittings, in lieu of plating, use a two part epoxy primer. On a really clean part it is a fantastic primer. The US Navy used it on shipboard F-4 phantoms. Good luck on this endeavor. Bob Morrissey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" > > > > Now, the intention is to clean the WAFS using a Nylon rotary brush, > then repaint them with Zinc chromate primer. Question: Is there > anything I must do before I paint wih the primer? Cleaning with a > special solvent? > >> _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:22:27 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR>Instrument Repairs. ASI To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041130.203515.1376.1.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It sounds like the diaphram is ruptured in the ASI. There are instrument shops here in the states that will rebuild that type of ASI for roughly 1/4 the price of a new one. If you can find a good instrument shop, they should be able to save you a significant amount of $$ if you need an ASI. Jeff On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:43:20 -0800 larry severson writes: > At 09:01 AM 12/1/2004 +1100, you wrote: > >My last post said > >I have a New ( as far as I know) Winter ( West Germany)Air Speed > indicator, > >that came with my KR2, it does not work, the needle seems to be > free to move > >but no movement when connected to a Pitot tube and placed out the > window of > >at car at 120kmh. > > Sounds like the needle is not locked on the shaft. Had that happen > lots of > times with cheap clocks. If you can take the instrument apart, > attach the > needle and try it again. > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 225 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================