From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 247 Date: 12/20/2004 8:59:10 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: KR1 Washout (Phillip Matheson) 2. Re: Is there anyway to check the washout when the wings are finished (Dan Heath) 3. Re: KR1 Washout (gleone) 4. Re: KR1 Washout (gleone) 5. Re: KR1 Washout (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 6. checking washout kr1 (Don Chisholm) 7. Exhaust Coatings? (Dan Heath) 8. Interresting stuff at Great Plains (Brian Kraut) 9. RE: Exhaust Coatings? (Brian Kraut) 10. RE: Exhaust Coatings? (larry severson) 11. Re: Interresting stuff at Great Plains (larry severson) 12. Re: Exhaust Coatings? (Ron Eason) 13. Merry Christmas (Feliz Navidad) and Happy New Year (Feliz Nueva Anno) (Ron Eason) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:43:40 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> KR1 Washout To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002e01c4e656$dc68d410$17b1dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is there anyway to check the washout when the wings are finished ----------------------------------- A rough method is to lift the tail to level flying position. Look along the wing from a distance over the tip, the wing tip cord line should look to be twisted down at the L/Edge compared to the inner wing rib cord line. See if both wings are similar. Or lift the tail till the inner (48 inch rib) cord line is level and see if the tip cord line is lower at the L/E. ?????? Hope that makes sense. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:40:54 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Re: Is there anyway to check the washout when the wings are finished To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41C6BA46.000001.03132@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Couldn't you use the old tube and water level method? When the chord at the tip, indicated by the water level, is level then see that the washout chord line at the root, which you can get to, is at the proper angle. I think it is 3.5 degrees up. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:52:16 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: KR> KR1 Washout To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <41C71150.00000C.02796@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In building my spars on my KR-1, I used a digital level, protractor and a laser level. First, I ran masking tape down the length of the spars (main and outer) and drew a center line on it. Then, using the laser level, I shot a laser line down the spar and on to the fuselage. A piece of masking tape on the fuselage with a line on it in line with the spar line makes for a highly accurate alignment. On the main spars, it was simply a matter of setting the angle on the digital level and bracing it with an adjustable stand. Then I installed the outer WAF's. The laser level makes a line down the centerline of the spar (pre marked with tape and pencil) and ensures the WAF's align properly. The WAF's were LOOSELY bolted together for setting on the outer spars so I could drill and mount them on the outer spars. The digital level and laser level were anchored to the spar so they didn't move. Worked like a charm. Now, with regards to the rear spars, same procedure EXCEPT for the protractor. A little math confirms the angle (3 degrees) and shooting the laser level down the spar and onto the fuselage provides a place to put another chunk of masking tape and a reference line for the laser level line. As long as the laser line is on the fuselage mark, you're golden. The digital level ensures proper angle of the spar vertically. In both cases, keep the laser line on the reference lines on the spar and fuselage. Also, measure the distance between the spars at the end (outer end) and it should match your outer rib. Finally, if everything is already built and closed, I would first go to the local liquor store, buy a very LARGE bottle of Jack Daniels (preferred Bourbon of us PRCA rodeo cowboys!), pour a healthy drink while looking at the wing. Drink another drink and continue wondering if it fits or not. Finish the bottle, go to bed and start a few days later on rebuilding the outer wings. Sorry, couldn't help myself there. Perhaps someone else has a plan to measure it after the wings are closed. I can only help with before. BTW, I'm using 5046 airfoil on my bird and fixed, tricycle Diehl gear. Contact me off net and I'll try to find where in the bloody computer I have the pictures of my spar building process (above) and I can e-mail them to you. Worked slicker than greased pig snot! Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming "Michael Moore is a living example to NEVER trust ANYONE who's bigger around than they are tall!" Is there anyway to check the washout when the wings are finished ? Not sure they were set right, If it's wrong is it easier to just start over new spars ribs cover ect.. this is on a KR1 project... _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:54:46 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: KR> KR1 Washout To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <41C711E6.00000E.02796@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I forgot to mention in my previous post, level the fuselage and block it in place before doing this. That may seem like a no brainer, but needs to be mentioned. Ensure the fuselage is level fore and aft and the spars are level starboard to port. Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming "Michael Moore is a living example to NEVER trust ANYONE who's bigger around than they are tall!" Is there anyway to check the washout when the wings are finished ? Not sure they were set right, If it's wrong is it easier to just start over new spars ribs cover ect.. this is on a KR1 project... _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:25:07 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR1 Washout To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Gene thanks for your help I'm also in the PBR so the jack sounds just fine, just tell me i don't have to rebuild spars (i'm orig ftom Cheyenne Wyo maybe that's why i need pictures Email add _RENOSADLER@AOL.COM_ (mailto:RENOSADLER@AOL.COM) . i have serched the archives for this problem hope i'm not the only village idiot! ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:29:41 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> checking washout kr1 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041220222942.36172.qmail@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii why don't you lay your 48 inch and 36 inch templates onto a sheet of plywood, extend your chord lines past leading edge and trailing edge when you trace templates onto plywood then cut out airfoils keeping in mind that you will be using plywood templates as slipovers, 36 inch template at tip, 48 inch template at root, establish airplane level then use plumb bob at chord lines and a protractor this will tell you your incidence. Don Chisholm chizmsupholstery@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:17:34 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Exhaust Coatings? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41C74F7E.00000A.03132@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jerry and I want to coat our exhaust manifold, like the Jet Hot process. I understand that it will reduce the under-cowling temperature by 80%. If that is so, what has to be done to insure that you can get heat for cabin and carb? Are there other companies that are preferred, that do the same thing? Working on Firewall Forward while the wing painting is on hold. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:36:12 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Interresting stuff at Great Plains To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I just got my copy of the Great Plains newsletter today and was interrested to see that they have a cool sounding but fairly pricey new liquid cooled cylinder head kit. Steve is normally conservative on HP claims, but he is claiming an additional 20HP with the liquid heads and included new carburetor. I will leave that to the rest of you to argue over, I am just passing on the information. There is a garage sale page on the site with other interresting stuff including a cheap single port head that I think someone was looking for, a Corvair engine and sale prices on almost everything else in the Beetle Flyer section at www.greatplainsas.com including what looks like a real good deal on a 2300 CC engine that someone canceled an order on. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:43:49 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Exhaust Coatings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" 20% maybe, not 80%. The other advantage is a few percent increased HP from improved exhaust scavengeing because the exhaust gasses stay hotter, hence less dense. I think you will still get plenty of heat for the carb and cabin heat. Plenty of other companies do ceramic coating. Make sure they do both the outside and inside of the pipes. The increased heat of the exhaust gasses will eat your pipes in no time if only the outside is done. Call your local speed shop and see if there is anywhere local that does it. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:18 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Exhaust Coatings? Jerry and I want to coat our exhaust manifold, like the Jet Hot process. I understand that it will reduce the under-cowling temperature by 80%. If that is so, what has to be done to insure that you can get heat for cabin and carb? Are there other companies that are preferred, that do the same thing? Working on Firewall Forward while the wing painting is on hold. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:25:47 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR> Exhaust Coatings? To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041220172440.00c53df8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:43 PM 12/20/2004 -0500, you wrote: >20% maybe, not 80%. The other advantage is a few percent increased HP >from improved exhaust scavengeing because the exhaust gasses stay >hotter, hence less dense. The cooling impact is doubled if both the inside and outside are coated, but still max is 66%. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:27:19 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Interresting stuff at Great Plains To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041220172613.03552d98@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:36 PM 12/20/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I just got my copy of the Great Plains newsletter today and was >interrested to see that they have a cool sounding but fairly pricey new >liquid cooled cylinder head kit. Steve is normally conservative on HP >claims, but he is claiming an additional 20HP with the liquid heads and >included new carburetor. I will leave that to the rest of you to argue >over, I am just passing on the information. That 20HP gain came at 3600 RPM. I notice that Revmaster makes their performance figures at 3200 RPM - greater engine life. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:28:22 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Exhaust Coatings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c4e6fc$5c6d4ab0$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I just had my intake and exhaust systems coated for $470.00 and I used Polydyne in Houston TX. my system included the turbo housing and custom fabricated injected manifold and fuel rails. www.polydyn.com or www.jethot.com are the places I got quotes from. Ploydyne has coatings for everything -- bearings, combustion chambers, pistons and etc. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: RE: KR> Exhaust Coatings? > 20% maybe, not 80%. The other advantage is a few percent increased HP > from > improved exhaust scavengeing because the exhaust gasses stay hotter, hence > less dense. > > I think you will still get plenty of heat for the carb and cabin heat. > > Plenty of other companies do ceramic coating. Make sure they do both > the outside and inside of the pipes. The increased heat of the > exhaust gasses will eat your pipes in no time if only the outside is > done. Call your local speed shop and see if there is anywhere local > that does it. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Dan Heath > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:18 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> Exhaust Coatings? > > > Jerry and I want to coat our exhaust manifold, like the Jet Hot > process. I understand that it will reduce the under-cowling > temperature by 80%. If that is so, what has to be done to insure that > you can get heat for cabin and carb? > > Are there other companies that are preferred, that do the same thing? > > Working on Firewall Forward while the wing painting is on hold. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:01:00 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: KR> Merry Christmas (Feliz Navidad) and Happy New Year (Feliz Nueva Anno) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005401c4e700$eb3bfd50$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I want to wish you and your family and friends a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I hope that during the coming year, all of you are blessed with good health, bountiful wealth and much progress on your KR's. I enjoy your friendship, even though it may be through the internet and email and hope that we can meet again and enjoy a delicious dinner and drinks and reminisce the good times at the next year KR fly-in. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year, KRron ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 247 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================