From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 25 Date: 4/13/2004 2:14:02 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. premolded parts (BABYWOLF@aol.com) 2. Re: Solenoid (Les Criscillo) 3. RE: Re: KR> Bbq at S-n-F (Brian Kraut) 4. Staitic port (Colin & Bev Rainey) 5. Squat switch vs. pitot switch (Colin & Bev Rainey) 6. Re: @SPAM++++++++ RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis (JW) 7. Re: @SPAM++++++++ (Dan Heath) 8. Re: wondering if I can use a pre molded (Dan Heath) 9. Re: 2 pitot questions (Dan Heath) 10. RE: 2 pitot questions (Stephen Jacobs) 11. Re: installed a static port halfway between the canopy opening and the firewall (Dan Heath) 12. Re: Solenoid - It seams everything I have read on these really do not explain other than recommending using one. (Dan Heath) 13. Re: AS504x airfoil - ailerons (Donald Reid) 14. Solenoid / relays (larry flesner) 15. RE: Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis (gleone) 16. AS504x airfoil - ailerons- first user (Stephen Jacobs) 17. Re: Solenoid (Wayne Israelsen) 18. static port/flight observation (larry flesner) 19. Re: premolded parts (larry severson) 20. RE: 2 pitot questions (larry severson) 21. RE: Stick linkages (Ray Fuenzalida) 22. HAPI Motor mount needed (GoFlySlow2@aol.com) 23. Re: 2 pitot questions (JEHayward@aol.com) 24. CONTROLS (Eric Evezard) 25. Re: Chuck Scrivner (Dan Heath) 26. pitit location. (Harold Woods) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:10:53 EDT From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: KR> premolded parts To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <113.31433851.2dacc24d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have lengthened and widened my Kr boat and am wondering if I can use a pre molded turtle deck and forward deck and just make a larger canopy section. Would anyone who has purchased these parts be willing to make me a paper pattern of the "foot prints" of these two parts? Thoughts and criticisms appreciated ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:40:19 -0400 From: "Les Criscillo" Subject: Re: KR> Solenoid To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011001c42111$6cedc920$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A continuous duty solenoid is a high rated switch, able to handle loads that a master switch inside the cockpit might not be able to handle. The only catch is that the solenoid must remain energized at all times. The amperage to activate the solenoid is quite low, and can be handled by any master switch you'd install. If the connection or fuse to the solenoid fails, the solenoid will open and there will be no current flowing to the electrical parts downstream from it. If you have a lot of electrical activity inside the cockpit, pulling more amps than your master switch will be rated for, then you'll need to go with a solenoid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:29 PM Subject: KR> Solenoid > I fully understand the reasoning behind a starter solenoid but what is > the true purpose of a continuos duty solenoid? It seams everything I have read on these really do not explain other than recommending using one. > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:52:12 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Re: KR> Bbq at S-n-F To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" KR barbecue will be Thursday at 6:30. I should be somewhere in the antique and classic camping area. I will post the exact location as soon as I get into the camping area in the morning. Call my cell at 904-536-1780 if you are lost. Also, feel free to stop by and talk KRs any other night. And can someone do me a favor and knock on my window and wake me up at 7:00 in the morning. I am the one sleeping in the red Dodge Dakota with the barbecue in the back waiting for camping registration to open. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:26:19 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Staitic port To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005f01c42117$da50a860$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The static needs to be outside, even if its not the most ideal pressure point because in flight there will be significant differences in pressure from inside and outside the aircraft. For VFR aircraft it typically does not show up as being that significant, but for flying IFR you can be off as much as 200 feet, and on approaches this could make a BIG difference! Wanting my aircraft to read as accurate as possible I installed a static port halfway between the canopy opening and the firewall, figuring that should give similar accuracy as the Cessna since theirs is located in a similar spot. It will definitely be more accurate than cabin pressure which is guaranteed to be off compared to true static. Remember this effects all instruments that use static input, that means airspeed and altimeter, and if you use one the vertical speed indicator, as well as the Mode C encoder for those who have one. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:39:32 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Squat switch vs. pitot switch To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007401c42119$b2d4b540$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dene and netters I have flown Cessna & Piper products among others for going on 4 years now and have never had a gear retraction problem where the gear came up prematurely, on a complex aircraft. I have personally seen 3 of my friends go through all kinds of headaches due to the use of pitot switch prevented retraction and trailing arm gear in the Beech Duchess. Twice on the same aircraft! And the second time was on the return to service test flight right in front of the FAA. The physical down & up limit switches, commonly known for the down position as squat switches, are old reliable and in the case of retractable gear it is very comforting to know that these are the indications you are seeing on your panel. I would not use a pitot pressure switch if it were my aircraft. There is no denying when the gear is compressed due to being on the ground. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:19:33 -0500 From: "JW" Subject: Re: @SPAM++++++++ RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002901c4211f$49d539b0$ccdd1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just wondering but why would people Counter-balance their elevators because of a bigger engine when you still can not exceed the VNE of 200mph? J ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: ; Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: @SPAM++++++++ RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis > I couldn't get the second link to work but found an interesting one > here: > > http://www.fly-imaa.org/imaa/hfarticles/howto/v6-1-36.html > > Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming > > Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely? > > Because Janet Reno is her real father. > -------Original Message------- > > From: serge.vidal@ate-international.com; KRnet > Date: 04/12/04 04:09:34 > To: 'KRnet' > Subject: @SPAM++++++++ RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / > Bingelis > > Here is the link to Old Tony's articles.... > > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/ > > ... and the one about flutter. > > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/How%20to%20Mass%20 > Balance%20Control%20Surfaces.html#TopOfPage > > Serge Vidal > KR2 ZS-WEC > - Taildragger, VW powered (2.4 liter, dual electronic ignition) > - Total aircraft time: 390h > - Aircraft hangared at: Orleans, France > - Pilot moaning in: Tunis, Tunisia > E-mail: serge.vidal@ate-international.com > > > I wish I could find the URL to the original articles by Mr. Bingelis > who (in my opinion) does know what he is talking about. In the > interim, this extract from one of two articles (by Tony) that I have > on the topic. I do not remember any copyright restrictions - I tend to > look for and respect such warnings. please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:33:52 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Re: @SPAM++++++++ To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <407BB400.000006.01624@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Please remove this "Re: @SPAM++++++++ " from your RE: Thank you See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:00:36 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Re: wondering if I can use a pre molded To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <407BBA44.000008.01624@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, most pre-molded parts don't fit the builders specific needs. We are building a KR2 and all the parts fit, just taped in place on top of the longeron. However, when we tried to sit inside of it, no go. Our turtle deck started out as pre-molded and was forced to fit the shape that we wanted. I am not sure that there would be any benefit to doing that with the forward deck, and for sure, you are going to have to build your own canopy. Given what these parts cost when you include shipping, you might want to consider just building them yourself. There are a lot of examples of how to do that, on the net. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:06:37 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> 2 pitot questions To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <407BBBAD.00000A.01624@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Then, where to put it? The RV kit says to put it behind the cabin. I am sure that Dana can translate the RV position to KR for us. We were going to do as Mark J. suggests, until the long thread on this subject convinced me to locate it outside. I had it just behind the cabin, in the boat, on the Little Beast. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:18:26 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> 2 pitot questions To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c42140$a98d9bb0$bb64a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> Why could we not just terminate the static lines within the >>> fuselage. REMEMBER - if your ASI /VSI /Alt does funny things, the static vent may be iced over. Breaking the glass on any one of these will effectively provide venting to the cabin (for all of them). Think about it today, so that if it ever happens, you will already know which one you are prepared to break - no time to think about it when it happens, you will probably have a few other things to worry about. I have however often thought about the same thing - where on the outside surface is their a neutral point that will be "static" for all flight conditions /speeds? On long flights I often fooled around with the alternate static air source on my PA32 trying to see a difference in readings between venting internally or externally. (A simple Glencock that opens the static line to the cabin should the external one ice over). I expected the Altimeter and ASI to show different readings - they did, but minimal - not enough to warrant any attention - even then, which one was correct? Obviously, this will not be the case if the airplane has an aircon or other vent that captures outside air and force feeds the cabin. No combination of fresh air vents and storm window made any meaningful difference to the old Cherokee 6. Almost every species of store bought seem to have the static vent in a different location - I am sure these guys have the means and technology to establish the best location for their respective airplanes - I do not have this knowledge /ability. Maybe a future KRnet posting? Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:22:32 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Re: installed a static port halfway between the canopy opening and the firewall To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <407BBF68.000011.01624@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Colin, Can you give a measurement relative to the front spar? There is a wide section of wood just above the spar and I am thinking that anything in front of it is high pressure and anything behind it is low pressure and that the only neutral spot is right in that wide section of wood. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:25:44 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Solenoid - It seams everything I have read on these really do not explain other than recommending using one. To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <407BC028.000013.01624@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I did not use one of these on the Little Beast and it had more electric requirements than this plane does. We are using one on this one because Jerry is making me do it, because Tony says so. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:53:52 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> AS504x airfoil - ailerons To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040413084400.01cafb48@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:38 PM 4/12/2004, you wrote: >OK for a wing root but will be a poor choice for a control surface. > >Aileron control forces will be high. >So is it tested and understood that the farther out on the wing, the >less of this "cusp or tuck" the better, as far as on the aileron goes? >Has this been proven on other airfoils? Would you fill in the tuck, >keeping the cord the same? Filling in the cusp is not at all unusual. The Glassaire original had an airfoil with similar characteristics and it was subsequently modified to remove the cusp. Their reason may have been due to excessive control forces, or a too large negative pitch moment, or too high a lift coefficient at cruise. All of those would be altered by making that change without making a significant change in their production molds. The reason that there are two suggested airfoils, the AS5048 and the AS5045, is that the 5045 is a much better choice for the wing tip. The other, a 5046 (I think) is a compromise between the two that will work with the original wing spar. People say that helicopters are a collection of vibrations that manage to fly in formation. I say that airfoils are a collection of compromises that cause lift. Don Reid - donreid "at" erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://www.eaa231.org/AeroFoil/index.htm KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:50:23 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Solenoid / relays To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040413085023.007bbe40@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I fully understand the reasoning behind a starter solenoid but what is >the true purpose of a continuos duty solenoid? >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Les explained what it is so I'll only add that a "starter" solenoid is called that because it is rated for high current only for a short duration. Don't try using a "starter" solenoid where a "continuos duty" solenoid is called for. Another option you might consider is using the high amperage automotive type relays to operate high current components. Use a switch on the panel to operate the relay and have the relay contacts handle the load current. I'm using a couple in my KR and they have dual contacts, are rated for 30 amps, are very small and light, and as I recall were less than $5 each. I'd recommend a good quality like Bosch and not one of the "cheapies" found at the local discount auto parts store. I found mine at an auto stereo shop. And Dan, you should listen to Jerry, and Tony. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:56:29 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis To: Message-ID: <407BF18D.000001.03112@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" J, Like you, I agree the vne would seem balancing the elevator is overkill, but there is the possibility of flutter before reaching vne. Some things I think are overkill but when it's on the side of safety, I tend to shoot for overkill. That's just me. I just have this thing about raining body parts and debris all over the Big Horn Basin. Hell, most my family, friends and neighbors have already started writing my eulogy! My two pennies worth! Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely? Because Janet Reno is her real father. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 04/13/04 07:27:30 To: gleone@rtconnect.net Subject: @SPAM+++++++++ Re: $SPAM++++++++ RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis Just wondering but why would people Counter-balance their elevators because of a bigger engine when you still can not exceed the VNE of 200mph? J ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: ; Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: @SPAM++++++++ RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis > I couldn't get the second link to work but found an interesting one > here: > > http://www.fly-imaa.org/imaa/hfarticles/howto/v6-1-36.html > > Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming > > Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely? > > Because Janet Reno is her real father. > -------Original Message------- > > From: serge.vidal@ate-international.com; KRnet > Date: 04/12/04 04:09:34 > To: 'KRnet' > Subject: @SPAM++++++++ RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / > Bingelis > > Here is the link to Old Tony's articles.... > > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/ > > ... and the one about flutter. > > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/How%20to%20Mass%20 > Balance%20Control%20Surfaces.html#TopOfPage > > Serge Vidal > KR2 ZS-WEC > - Taildragger, VW powered (2.4 liter, dual electronic ignition) > - Total aircraft time: 390h > - Aircraft hangared at: Orleans, France > - Pilot moaning in: Tunis, Tunisia > E-mail: serge.vidal@ate-international.com > > > I wish I could find the URL to the original articles by Mr. Bingelis > who (in my opinion) does know what he is talking about. In the > interim, this extract from one of two articles (by Tony) that I have > on the topic. I do not remember any copyright restrictions - I tend to > look for and respect such warnings. please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:22:49 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: KR> AS504x airfoil - ailerons- first user To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c42162$d05f61c0$b164a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Has this been proven on other airfoils? Would you fill in the tuck, >> keeping the cord the same? I recall a report on the first Netter to try the new wing section - he seemed pretty pleased after the first few flights - has anyone asked him lately with these specifics in mind? Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:35:39 -0700 From: "Wayne Israelsen" Subject: Re: KR> Solenoid To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003b01c42164$97e48a80$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark The only experiance I have with these continuous duty solenoids is motor homes use them for swithching batteries. If you use a starter solenoid they will get hot have voltage drop and in short order the contacts wear away simlar to points wear and stop working. Continuous duty solenoids are more expensive but they have 0 voltage drop don't get hot and I have only replaced 2 in 20 years of RVing and I also run a moble RV service part time. Thanks Wayne P.S. Marine duty solenoids can be purcased with a duty rating of 500+ amps. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones To: KR Net Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: KR> Solenoid > I fully understand the reasoning behind a starter solenoid but what is > the true purpose of a continuos duty solenoid? It seams everything I have read on these really do not explain other than recommending using one. > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:59:43 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> static port/flight observation To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040413095943.008c59b0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Can you give a measurement relative to the front spar? There is a wide >section of wood just above the spar and I am thinking that anything in >front of it is high pressure and anything behind it is low pressure and >that the only neutral spot is right in that wide section of wood. >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The weather was warm a few weeks back and I was flying with my NACA ducts for cabin air open. They are located just forward of the lead edge of the wing and approx half way up the sidewall between some of the spruce verticals and diagonals. There is a considerable "high" pressure change in that area from climbout to cruise. On climbout there is very little air entering and it picks up considerable when leveling out for cruise. I'm using basically the plans built pitot and static setup. Other than the needles seem to "bounce" around a lot in turbulance, it seems to work fine. As for a fuselage static port, I'd be inclined to agree that the widest part of the fuselage might be a good spot. Then again it might be the worst spot and I'd still agree so take your best shot. Larry ( 36.5 hours and lovin' it ) Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:44:00 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> premolded parts To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040413083443.0282de30@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:10 AM 4/13/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I have lengthened and widened my Kr boat and am wondering if I can use a >pre molded turtle deck and forward deck and just make a larger canopy >section. I did not purchase the parts because I would have to split them and patch in wedges to make them fit. What I did do was: 1. create a front (to match a Dragonfly canopy)and back form to fit my needs, 2. got some 1/2 in insulating foam from Home Depot, 3. stripped off the static plastic, glass one side, 4. cut grooves in the foam to allow bending over the forms, 5. filled the grooves created by the draped foam with micro, 6. sanded the foam/micro once the micro had dried, 7. glassed the now rigid turtle (or fore) deck. I didn't do a perfect job, but for the perfectionists who take time in the sanding, it can result in a strong, well formed, light setup. It is also both cheap and fast costing maybe $20 and 4 hours to do both the turtle and fore decks (not including final micro finish). Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:49:30 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR> 2 pitot questions To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040413084807.0286c170@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >REMEMBER - if your ASI /VSI /Alt does funny things, the static vent may >be iced over. Breaking the glass on any one of these will effectively >provide venting to the cabin (for all of them). Think about it today, >so that if it ever happens, you will already know which one you are >prepared to break - no time to think about it when it happens, you will >probably have a few other things to worry about. Some people put in an alternate air source switch, which lets in cabin air, to cover this situation - saving the instrument! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: RE: KR> Stick linkages To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040413172705.83437.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please post the plans for all to see. I also am planning a single seater but I had been thinking of a center stick. It would be interesting a side mount layout. Thanks. Ray Doug Rupert wrote: Phillip: Please send me a copy of those plans off the list as I plan on converting the KR2S into a single seater with side stick controls. Makes for a roomier cabin instead of shoe horning two people into such a small space. With the AS wings, dual wing tanks, and a few other small mods I believe this arrangement would satisfy most of the Walter Mitty type fighter pilots in us all, not to mention one hell on a fun machine to fly. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Phillip Matheson Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 11:48 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Stick linkages For the last couple of weeks I have been working on my stick design to hook up to my aileron bellcranks converted for push tubes -0--------------------- Steve I may be able to help with drawings of a single stick, and push rods. to belcrank. I would have to post them, after coping. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:31:44 EDT From: GoFlySlow2@aol.com Subject: KR> HAPI Motor mount needed To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <167.2e0b5104.2dad7e00@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Philip J. Visconti wrote (back in January) What I have : (below came with original project but can not use) (1) HAPI motor mount (1) HAPI accessory case (1) Lycoming motor mount bushings, set of eight Sorry, I forgot to include price for HAPI package. Asking $180 for complete package. (Mount, case & bushings) Phil ******************** Phill, Yes.......I need the motor mount and all. Contact me at goflyslow2@aol.com Chuck Scrivner my KR-2 in flight - http://hometown.aol.com/goflyslow2/myhomepage/personal.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:05:49 EDT From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> 2 pitot questions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <7a.54af4452.2dad85fd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 4/13/2004 4:07:25 AM Mountain Daylight Time, DanRH@AllTel.net writes: > We were going to do as Mark J. suggests, until the long thread on this > subject convinced me to locate it outside. I had it just behind the > cabin, in the boat, on the Little Beast. Was it in Tony Benglis' book about placing it in the same location as the pitot tube? I've seen a "dual" one on a Pitts before in that there were two tubes, one for the pitot and the other one for the static. I've made one for my Challenger II that had the pitot tube inside a larger, sealed off, static tube and it seems to work quite well. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:32:39 +0200 From: "Eric Evezard" Subject: KR> CONTROLS To: "KR NEWS" Message-ID: <008001c4218e$348635e0$58ce07c4@user> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Netters--- TEL trailing edge left TER trailing edge right What is the correct deflection of the KR 2 s Rudder ? What is a good deflection for the tailwheel if differential to the rudder ? Thanks Again, Eric Evezard, South Africa. ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:53:47 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Re: Chuck Scrivner To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <407C535B.000006.03672@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Really neat plane. Have you heard from Phil? We are trying to get in touch with him also. I love your canopy. Did you make the windshield yourself? See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:13:20 -0400 From: "Harold Woods" Subject: KR> pitit location. To: Message-ID: <031701c4219c$25bd1520$0501a8c0@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Netters. It was my impression that the static port location should be at the widest part of the fuselage.The must be one on each side and they are interconnected. This is done because if yopu apply a bit of rudder and yaw the plane , the port on one side moves into the slipstream and raises the pressure while the port on the other side of the fuselage moves back out of the slipstream thus reducing the pressure. By interconnecting these two an average pressure is maintained. If you use only inside cabin pressure the difference between inside and outside can be variable because if you open a hot or cold air vent you change the pressure. An increase in speed may change the interior pressure of the cabin. These changes will make the differential pressure between the ram air and the average pressures inaccurate and variable. Any suggestions? Regards' Harold Woods Orillia,ON,Can. haroldwoods@rogers.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 25 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================