From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 259 Date: 12/30/2004 3:56:42 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s (mierz@wcoil.com) 2. Pitot Static (Glasseyegav) 3. R?f. : KR> Pitot Static (Serge VIDAL) 4. Re: R?f. : KR> Pitot Static (Steven Phillabaum) 5. Re: FAA web site (Joseph H. Horton) 6. Re: Re: R?f. : KR> Pitot Static (Steven Phillabaum) 7. Re: Re: FAA web site (Scott) 8. Re: Re: FAA web site (Steven Phillabaum) 9. Third Flight (larry flesner) 10. Re: FAA web site (larry flesner) 11. condition inspection (Oscar Zuniga) 12. R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Pitot Static (Serge VIDAL) 13. Re: Re: FAA web site (Jack Cooper) 14. control surface loss. (haroldwoods) 15. Re: control surface loss. (Don Woodyatt) 16. Re: Re: FAA web site (Joseph H. Horton) 17. scarf junts (Martha Crawford) 18. Re: scarf junts (patrusso) 19. Experimental (Oscar Zuniga) 20. Re: Experimental (larry flesner) 21. Experimental (Oscar Zuniga) 22. pitot static (Don Chisholm) 23. Re: Experimental (Dan Heath) 24. Re: Experimental (larry flesner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:31:20 -0500 From: "mierz@wcoil.com" Subject: Re: KR> Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041229233120.01ad6590@pop3.wcoil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Curt , Check barnstormers At 04:07 PM 12/29/04 -0800, you wrote: > >I missed out on buying Sherman's plane so if any of you know of a KR2 >or KR2S that is available I would love to hear about it. I would prefer a completed Turbo'd IFR but will look at others. Thanks - Chris > >SkyVisionSC@aol.com wrote:Hello Curt... >You seem to be pretty serious about this KR, and it is indeed a great >bird at >a great price. I am simply caught between the devil and the deep blue >sea for >space and have to make room for my new machine. >There are five other serious inquiries this morning alone about the >plane, >and since you were really the first to inquire, I feel it proper to offer it to >you first. >Let me know of your decision soon so I'll know what to tell the others. >Thanks...Sherman PS I'll find Mr Frohner's phone number, and call you >with it. _______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.823 / Virus Database: 561 - Release Date: 12/26/04 > -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.823 / Virus Database: 561 - Release Date: 12/26/04 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:20:21 +1000 From: "Glasseyegav" Subject: KR> Pitot Static To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <007d01c4ee61$8d00e120$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi all, Has anybody made their Pitot and static tubes from 3/8" tube?? I have plenty of 3/8" tube and a bender to suit. If it were to use 1/4" I'd have to source it and a bender as well!! I was planning on making a nice tip to press fit in the 3/8" tube, to reduce the inlet size and make it look a little nicer. Would this give the same results as the 1/4" tube installation?? Would the static work the same in 3/8" tube as it does with 1/4" tube?? Gavin -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.6 - Release Date: 28/12/2004 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:58:58 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: R?f. : KR> Pitot Static To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It wil work just fine. Mine are 8 mm tubing, which is somewhere in between 1/4" and 3/8". Now, as far as tips are concerned, my plan is to try and find a pair of arrows tips from an archery shop. Durable, weatherproof, aerodynamic... Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Paris, France "Glasseyegav" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2004-12-30 12:20 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2004-12-30 12:21 Pour : "KR builders and pilots" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Pitot Static Hi all, Has anybody made their Pitot and static tubes from 3/8" tube?? I have plenty of 3/8" tube and a bender to suit. If it were to use 1/4" I'd have to source it and a bender as well!! I was planning on making a nice tip to press fit in the 3/8" tube, to reduce the inlet size and make it look a little nicer. Would this give the same results as the 1/4" tube installation?? Would the static work the same in 3/8" tube as it does with 1/4" tube?? GavinNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.6 - Release Date: 28/12/2004 _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:39:56 +0000 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> Pitot Static To: KRnet Message-ID: <3khdfd$fjdpkd@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello, Serge and other netters; I custom make hickory bows and arrows. But, I don't quite understand what you are talking about for the tip. "field points" are aerodynamic but lack the hole in the middle. I also have a stock of arrow shaft and treaded inserts for aluminum arrows. Those are hollow. Bill Clapp has a removable Pitot tube which he takes off so no one will accidentally break it off. I like his idea and I think you might be on to something with the arrow points. I would like to find out more of what you are thinking. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama Now that the family holidays are over I will get back to work. > > From: "Serge VIDAL" Now, as far as tips are concerned, my plan is to try and > find a pair of arrows tips from an archery shop. Durable, > weatherproof, > aerodynamic... > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:51:36 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: KR> Re: FAA web site To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041230.085138.3172.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guys , Sorry but I'm at work and don't have the web site for checking for N number availability. Anyone have it handy? Thank you and Happy New Year Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:55:40 +0000 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: Re: Re: R?f. : KR> Pitot Static To: KRnet Message-ID: <3khdg6$fo14o4@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OOOOOH, STATIC I guess I need to read more. sounds like a neat Idea, I will pull out the inserts and see what kind of threads the Field Points have on them. Early morning. Out of coffee. Steven > > From: Steven Phillabaum > Date: 2004/12/30 Thu PM 01:39:56 GMT > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: Réf. : KR> Pitot Static > > Hello, Serge and other netters; > > I custom make hickory bows and arrows. But, I don't quite understand > what you are talking about for the tip. "field points" are aerodynamic > but lack the hole in the middle. I also have a stock of arrow shaft > and treaded inserts for aluminum arrows. Those are hollow. Bill Clapp > has a removable Pitot tube which he takes off so no one will > accidentally break it off. I like his idea and I think you might be on > to something with the arrow points. I would like to find out more of > what you are thinking. > > Steven Phillabaum > Auburn, Alabama > > Now that the family holidays are over I will get back to work. > > > > From: "Serge VIDAL" > Now, as far as tips are concerned, my plan is to try and > > find a pair of arrows tips from an archery shop. Durable, > > weatherproof, > > aerodynamic... > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:01:43 -0500 From: Scott Subject: Re: KR> Re: FAA web site To: KRnet Message-ID: <41D40A47.3090605@ctc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Joe, Try... http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/acmain.htm or google "faa number lookup" for more options. Scott Stanton Raleigh NC Joseph H. Horton wrote: >Guys , >Sorry but I'm at work and don't have the web site for checking for N >number availability. Anyone have it handy? Thank you and Happy New Year > >Joe Horton >joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:08:14 +0000 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: Re: KR> Re: FAA web site To: KRnet Message-ID: <3khj62$k989c0@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Try landings.com and do a search I have the site but can't seem to get it into this email. > > From: "Joseph H. Horton" > Date: 2004/12/30 Thu PM 01:51:36 GMT > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> Re: FAA web site > > Guys , > Sorry but I'm at work and don't have the web site for checking for N > number availability. Anyone have it handy? Thank you and Happy New > Year > > Joe Horton > joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:25:42 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Third Flight To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041230082542.0080e9a0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 1.3 hours and I decided that the conditions required more pilot than what I was, so a 9 out of 10 landing and back to the hanger, wash and put the KR2 away, race to my computer to share my excitement with those that understand me. >>Barry Kruyssen +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Barry, It's like a drug, isn't it. I got in 1.6 hours in my KR yesterday hitting three different airports. The landings were all good but the one at home base felt so good that I did a 180 on the runway, back-taxied, ,took off and did it again. That little bird just keeps you coming back for more. I got my temporary "repairman certificate" in the mail a day or two back so I can now sign off my "annual condition inspection". Trouble is I have to do it first. Happy New Year to one and all and I hope to hear of a lot of first flights next year !!!!! Larry Flesner - 116.3 hours and still grinnin' ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:35:15 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Re: FAA web site To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041230083515.0080e9e0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Joe, >Try... >http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/acmain.htm > >or google "faa number lookup" for more options. > >Scott Stanton +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Or go to "landings.com" and scrool down to the bottom, click on "data base" and go from there. Avweb has it also but you may have to sign up for their site first, don't remember. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:39:27 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> condition inspection To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Larry wrote- >I got my temporary "repairman certificate" in the mail a day or two >back so I can now sign off my "annual condition inspection". Trouble is >I have to do it first. This is the one drawback of the repairman being the builder... it can become too casual an inspection since it's your own plane and you built it, know it inside and out, and "it flew just fine yesterday". Plus the fact that it's hard to get to some of those important fittings to inspect them, and tiresome to check tension on nuts and bolts (again), and to get up under the instrument panel to check out the wiring and instrument tubing. But it has to be done. Not to pick on Larry, but sometimes having that new pair of eyes go over the important stuff is useful. I griped about having to pay an A&P to do the inspection on my Piet, but ended up replacing one of the tail brace wires as a result. Save my bacon? The tail has two brace wires on each side, so a failure might not have been catastrophic. You be the judge... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:59:15 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Pitot Static To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nothing fancy, really. My idea is simply to use threaded inserts for aluminum arrow tips. I will thread the pitot and static tubes accordingly, or maybe simply glue the tip at the end of the tube, if practical. The tip for the static will stay as is, and become a plug. And I will drill a hole through the tip for the pitot. This is only meant to make these tube ends look nicer. Serge Steven Phillabaum Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2004-12-30 14:39 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2004-12-30 14:40 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : KR> Pitot Static Hello, Serge and other netters; I custom make hickory bows and arrows. But, I don't quite understand what you are talking about for the tip. "field points" are aerodynamic but lack the hole in the middle. I also have a stock of arrow shaft and treaded inserts for aluminum arrows. Those are hollow. Bill Clapp has a removable Pitot tube which he takes off so no one will accidentally break it off. I like his idea and I think you might be on to something with the arrow points. I would like to find out more of what you are thinking. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama Now that the family holidays are over I will get back to work. > > From: "Serge VIDAL" Now, as far as tips are concerned, my plan is to try and > find a pair of arrows tips from an archery shop. Durable, > weatherproof, > aerodynamic... > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:09:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Jack Cooper Subject: Re: KR> Re: FAA web site To: KRnet Message-ID: <17826185.1104422980048.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe There is a link on Mark Langfords website for the N number database. I'm not at home on my computer or I would send a link. Jack Cooper -----Original Message----- From: Steven Phillabaum Sent: Dec 30, 2004 9:08 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Re: FAA web site Try landings.com and do a search I have the site but can't seem to get it into this email. > > From: "Joseph H. Horton" > Date: 2004/12/30 Thu PM 01:51:36 GMT > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> Re: FAA web site > > Guys , > Sorry but I'm at work and don't have the web site for checking for N > number availability. Anyone have it handy? Thank you and Happy New > Year > > Joe Horton > joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:09:50 -0500 From: "haroldwoods" Subject: KR> control surface loss. To: Message-ID: <003001c4ee89$fdf48fd0$0201a8c0@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had a complete control loss at 5000 feet while testing a Jodel D11. There was a very bad weld on the control stick. I was doing a power stall and applied strong back stick pressure at a high angle of attack.. It is unpleasant to go for a roller coaster ride with the stick in one hand and an unbelieving eye looking at the broken end. I found that a very high speed, the Bowden operated trim tab would not move. Thus my KR2M is going to have a strong electric trim tab, not only on the elevator but the rudder and aileron as well. The control stick and associated parts are stronger than normal. I do not object to the extra weight involved.I hope to get it in the air in 2005. Harold Woods Orillia,ON. Can. haroldwoods@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: Don Woodyatt Subject: Re: KR> control surface loss. To: KRnet Message-ID: <20041230170807.10092.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So, Harold, finish the story. Don't leave us at 5000 feet. Did you survive? --- haroldwoods wrote: > I had a complete control loss at 5000 feet while > testing a Jodel D11. There was a very bad weld on > the control stick. I was doing a power stall and > applied strong back stick pressure at a high angle > of attack.. It is unpleasant to go for a roller > coaster ride with the stick in one hand and an > unbelieving eye looking at the broken end. I found > that a very high speed, the Bowden operated trim tab > would not move. Thus my KR2M is going to have a > strong electric trim tab, not only on the elevator > but the rudder and aileron as well. The control > stick and associated parts are stronger than normal. > I do not object to the extra weight involved.I hope > to get it in the air in 2005. > Harold Woods > Orillia,ON. Can. > haroldwoods@rogers.com _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:42:09 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> Re: FAA web site To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041230.124210.3172.2.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Guys > Joe, > Try... > http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/acmain.htm > > or google "faa number lookup" for more options. > > Scott Stanton > Raleigh NC > >Guys , > >Sorry but I'm at work and don't have the web site for checking for > N > >number availability. Anyone have it handy? > >Thank you and Happy New Year Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:12:54 -0500 From: Martha Crawford Subject: KR> scarf junts To: KRnet Message-ID: <6D3E3DAF-5A8E-11D9-AB58-000A95D27864@simerson.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed hi KR friends I can get a grate deal on some 1/8" european birch the only ketch is that its in 4x4 sheets. Is it ok to make several scarf joint to get my length. thanks Keith Crawford Lansing MI martha@simerson.net ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:37:39 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> scarf junts To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000701c4eeb7$ca00ea60$80a572d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you can do a neat scarf joint then there should be no problem. If possible try to make the scarf fall on spruce vertical member or perhaps add an additional spruce member at the scarf junture if your in doubt. Another method is to simply butt joint the two pieces adding a two or three inch piece over the joint on the inside of the fuselage. I presume the european birch is an exterior grade....right? Some plywoods have only three ply with a softwood center core. Is this the case? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Crawford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: KR> scarf junts > hi KR friends > > > I can get a grate deal on some 1/8" european birch > the only ketch is that its in 4x4 sheets. > Is it ok to make several scarf joint to get my length. > thanks > > Keith Crawford > Lansing MI > martha@simerson.net > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:12:00 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Experimental To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dan asked (and I may have missed the reply to, since Hotmail has been giving me fits, as Mark L. can attest)- >Someone put out on the Teenie forum that if your N number was NX >something, then you did not have to put the EXPERIMENTAL inside the >cockpit. Does anyone know if this is true? I posted information here on this topic in Feb, 2002, where I mentioned that in 2007 the KR design would be 30 years old and builders would be eligible to apply the "NX" registration prefix in lieu of a passenger warning placard. Here's a snip from my post, as well as the text of the applicable FAR: ==================== 'Scuse my slip; it's FAR 45.22(b). It doesn't say you can prefix the registration number with an "X"... it always has to start with an "N" but under the provisions of this FAR it can be "NX..." and the large passenger notification "EXPERIMENTAL" at the entry to the cockpit can be dispensed with. Here's the text of the FAR, from the EAA Homebuilders' website: (b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been issued under § 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur built aircraft and which has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with §§ 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if: (1) It displays in accordance with § 45.21(c) marks at least 2 inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" followed by: (i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or (ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental) followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and (2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N" anywhere on the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under paragraph (b)(1) of this section. ==================== Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:37:37 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Experimental To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041230163737.00816d30@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Someone put out on the Teenie forum that if your N number was NX >>something, then you did not have to put the EXPERIMENTAL inside the >>cockpit. Does anyone know if this is true? > >I posted information here on this topic in Feb, 2002, where I mentioned >that >in 2007 the KR design would be 30 years old and builders would be eligible >to apply the "NX" registration prefix in lieu of a passenger warning >placard. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Oscar, I think the KR2 is 30+ years old before 2007. I'm guessing it is 30+ as of this past year or even 2003. I went through this whole issue when deciding on an N number for my KR. I picked 211LF and intended to have N X 211LF on the KR with the X 211 maybe in a different color to stand out from the N and LF. The "Spirit of St.Louis" , one of my all time favorite airplanes, was X-211. 211 was already taken by the EAA for use on the replica "Spirit". Anyway, the problem you ,or anyone, will run in to is trying to convince the inspector(s) that the whole X thing is legal and get them to sign it off. That was what I ran in to and finally said forget it. I stuck N 211LF on the side, got it inspected, and went flying. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:49:44 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Experimental To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I think the KR2 is 30+ years old before 2007. I'm guessing it is >30+ as of this past year or even 2003. Holy smokes! A search of my Sport Aviation CD-ROM archive shows the KR-1 as having made its debut at Oshkosh in 1972, making it at least 33 years old!!! But hey, get this... guess what debuted that same year at Oshkosh? Richard VanGrunsven's RV-3! Yes, that's right... the RV-3 is AN ANTIQUE! Let's just see how many people (a) believe that, and (b) register their RV-3s as "NX...". But check it out for yourself in the Sport Aviation archives (just search for "Ken Rand" or "KR-1") The NX thing is legal. It's the FAA's job to know their own regulations and to adhere to them. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:01:15 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> pitot static To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041230230115.13271.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did a real beauty pitot tube out of my leading edge out near the tip where it would be in unimpeded air. I wasn't even close to taking it to the airport when an apologetic individual knocked it off on a walk by. I suppose you could make a screw out one too much of a chance not to install it when you want to go flying.I did the one out of Bengalis's book under the wing with the static port. works for me Don Chisholm ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:36:55 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Experimental To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41D49117.00000F.01972@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Are you building a KR1 or a KR2 or a KR2S? Is it worth the trouble just to have small letters and not put in EXPERIMENTAL sign. The sign also helps mitigate liability. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:53:11 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Experimental To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041230175311.00814d30@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:36 PM 12/30/04 -0500, you wrote: >Are you building a KR1 or a KR2 or a KR2S? Is it worth the trouble just >to have small letters and not put in EXPERIMENTAL sign. The sign also >helps mitigate liability. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I was really just wanting to get the (n) X 211 (lf) to stand out on my KR but everyone connected with the Fed's, independent DAR's, etc. kept saying "Well, I don't know" or "I'm not sure about that", even after I showed them the reg's. To para-phrase Dan's phrase, There's a time to quit beating your head against the wall and go fly. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 259 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================