From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 27 Date: 7/13/2004 9:34:25 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Virus - pointer to free removal tool (Wesley Scott) 2. Re: BMW engines adn Diesel Engines (Karl) 3. Re: BMW engines adn Diesel Engines and now Jabiru engines (Barry Kruyssen) 4. RR still in business? (Duncan) 5. CF vs Fibreglass (Duncan) 6. Carbon Fibre spars (Duncan) 7. Cheper Down Under (Edward Seaman) 8. Re: RR still in business? (F Ross) 9. RE: Carbon Fibre spars (Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)) 10. CARBON FIBER (Colin & Bev Rainey) 11. Re: RR still in business? (Dan Heath) 12. Vacuum pump (Colin & Bev Rainey) 13. RE: Gathering camping?? (Dana Overall) 14. Wiring harness (Dana Overall) 15. Re: Carbon Fibre spars (GavinandLouise) 16. RE: Vacuum pump (Stephen Jacobs) 17. Re: Carbon Fibre spars (Orma) 18. Gathering (Mark Jones) 19. RE: Gathering camping?? (Brian Kraut) 20. RE: BMW engines adn Diesel Engines and now Jabiru engines (Doug Rupert) 21. RE: Gathering camping?? (Dana Overall) 22. Re: Vacuum pump (JSMONDAY@aol.com) 23. RE: Gathering camping?? (Mark Jones) 24. Re: RR still in business? (JSMONDAY@aol.com) 25. RE: Vacuum pump (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 26. Re: RR still in business? (larry severson) 27. Re: Carbon Fibre spars (Dennis Mingear) 28. Re: Carbon Fibre spars (alphabravo pilot) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:39:09 -0500 From: "Wesley Scott" Subject: KR> Virus - pointer to free removal tool To: "krnet" Message-ID: <003301c46893$581503f0$dba30a04@pbrain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If these e-mail addresses look familiar to you (i.e. they are in your address book) you may be infected with the Netsky worm. All infections were the Q@mm.enc variant (Norton called it W32.Netsky.Q@mm.enc) The virus actually looks through a large number of file types so they may be in something other than your address book. nreynolds@reynoldsglue.com (7/10/2004 9:38 am) info@sagebrushcorp.com (7/10/2004 9:39 am) hlyers@aol.com (7/12/2004 3:05 pm) ckuroil@aol.com (7/12/2004 3:05 pm) tech@painlessperformance.com (7/12/2004 11:02 pm) The worm uses a flaw in internet explorere to run code IE 5.01 (but not SP2) and 5.5 are vulnerable http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.mspx Symantec (the makers of Norton anti-virus) have provided a free tool to remove infections. http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.netsky@mm.removal.tool.html -- wesley scott kr2@spottedowl.biz ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:43:47 +1200 From: "Karl" Subject: Re: KR> BMW engines adn Diesel Engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01c45ce3$a81e34e0$LocalHost@doreenba> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" +AD4-Very true until you get the price tag F.O.B. here. If I was in Aus +that AD4-would probably be the way I'd go. Course been a while since +I've seen the AD4-price but since very seldom do prices drop I'd say +it's still beyond my AD4-meager funds. AD4-Doug Rupert +AD4-Simcoe Ontario +AD4- +AD4-If I was to build a KR2S in I would probably use the 6 cylinder Jabiru 3300 +AD4-120hp for 81kg. +AD4- +AD4-regards +AD4-Barry Kruyssen +AD4-Cairns, Australia +AD4-RAA 19-3873 You guys should keep an eye on the exchange rate. The Aust+ACQ- is up at thew moment and that should make imported goods from there cheper (6 cylinder Jabiru 3300, 120hp for 81kg). Just a thought. Karl Pudney Auckland New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:49:14 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> BMW engines adn Diesel Engines and now Jabiru engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00e701c4689d$23584c80$2700a8c0@T1W419b> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not wanting to be a Jabiru salesman but they have agents in the following contries, checkout their WEB site for contact info at http://www.jabiru.net.au Australia Austria Beijing Belgium Brazil Canada Chile China Colombia Ecuador France Germany Greece Indonesia Israel Italy Korea Malaysia Mexico Mongolia Morocco New Zealand Peru Poland Portugal and Spain Russia Scandinavia Southern Africa Taiwan Thailand Ukraine United Kingdom United States of America regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ----- Original Message ----- You guys should keep an eye on the exchange rate. The Aust$ is up at thew moment and that should make imported goods from there cheper (6 cylinder Jabiru 3300, 120hp for 81kg). Just a thought. Karl Pudney Auckland New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:54:11 +1200 From: Duncan Subject: KR> RR still in business? To: krnet Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040713174735.024a0320@styx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, I've tried phoning RR eight times now over the past six days (excluding the weekend) at various times of the day. All I get is their answer phone. I've faxed them, and have received no reply. Anyone have any idea what might be going on here? Are they on holiday? Have they gone out of business? Do they only work on days with the letter "X" in it? I'm trying to order my plans and the wood kit. And this is a bit frustrating... Duncan of Devonport Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:56:42 +1200 From: Duncan Subject: KR> CF vs Fibreglass To: krnet Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040713175429.02427ec0@styx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, Just a quick question regarding Carbon Fibre. How come CF is lighter than Fibreglass? The two cloths weigh about the same when dry, and so that leaves just the epoxy. Confused. Duncan of Devonport Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:03:54 +1200 From: Duncan Subject: KR> Carbon Fibre spars To: krnet Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040713175644.024a42b8@styx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, I visited Ed Blocher's site, and saw some photos of his laminated spar. I noted with interest his inclusion of a couple of layers of carbon fibre in the laminations. And this got me thinking... Is this a good/bad/neutral thing to do? What would be the pros/cons of a completely CF spar? Duncan of Devonport Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:30:42 +0100 (BST) From: Edward Seaman Subject: KR> Cheper Down Under To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040713073042.33927.qmail@web25306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >You guys should keep an eye on the exchange rate. > The Aust$ is up at thew moment and that should make imported goods from there cheper >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A great engine in three usefull sizes - starting to bridge the engine Rubicon Last year this time the AUD cost US$0.66. It has steadily risen and now costs US$0.73. Yes Pudnic, it has gone "up", but that means it costs more for folks buying with US$. Maybe that is what cheper means in under the long white cloud. Who left the gate open - the sheep are confusing some folks? ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: F Ross Subject: Re: KR> RR still in business? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040713081123.34577.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "RR" is a VERY SMALL company. One Grandmother (Ken Rand's widow) and a helper, last I heard. I doubt she makes enough money to hire a 24/7 staff to take the occassional order. Keep trying. ===== Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:50:53 +0200 From: "Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)" Subject: RE: KR> Carbon Fibre spars To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Hi Duncan, could you please post Ed Blocher's site URL, I couldn't find it... Alex Birca, Moldova Hi, I visited Ed Blocher's site, and saw some photos of his laminated spar. I noted with interest his inclusion of a couple of layers of carbon fibre in the laminations. And this got me thinking... Is this a good/bad/neutral thing to do? What would be the pros/cons of a completely CF spar? Duncan of Devonport Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:15:22 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> CARBON FIBER To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004501c468c2$4efffd40$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Duncan It is not that carbon fiber is lighter, it is that it is 5 times stronger than the same single lay up of regular E-glass, so it would take 5 layers of E-glass to equal one layer of carbon fiber. There is where you get either light weight, when it requires strength, so you use carbon fiber in place of multiple layers of glass. If only one layer is called for you get a similar weight but alot stronger part, your choice. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:24:55 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> RR still in business? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40F3B877.000007.02512@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This comes up from time to time. We all know that RR is not a "real" business and that she must make at least enough to get on Net Zero and communicate with her client base. Many people have tried to push her into doing business", but she refuses. If you want to deal with her, you either have to keep calling or send a FAX. I tried asking her about helping with the web site or even taking orders and forwarding them to her, but she told me that everything was under control. I know that others have offered and have actually done some things to help, but I am afraid that it is a lost cause. I think it is a shame, because the KR could and maybe will go on forever, and it would be at least a nice part time business with almost no overhead. Frank Ross, register for the gathering! I look forward to getting together again.. "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:31:02 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Vacuum pump To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009301c468c4$7f6c4fe0$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can use an air or smog pump standard equipment on many autos from the 70s and 80s, and just reverse the hookups so that instead of blowing it is sucking air. They were belt driven in plentiful supply, easy to rig, light weight, and low on hp draw. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:08:45 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Gathering camping?? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey this is sounding more fun by the day, looking forward to meeting a bunch of new KR'ers around the campsite. Since I won't be in until early Saturday, just be sure and leave me a flat piece of ground. The KR Gathering is always a great time and camping will only make it better in my book. I'll drive my GMC 2500 so I'll plenty of room to "hide/stash/conceal/", I mean "store" refreshments. If for some reason, a keg shows up on the rear floorboard of the extended cab.................how in the world did that get there........might just have to drink it as surely no one would want to hurt their back dragging a full keg out of the truck!! Kinda reminds me of my college days, bought a used fridge for $45, took the shelves out, put a piece of 3/4" plywood on the bottom, put a keg in it, punched a hole through the door, put the tap through the hole, a little foam for padding and "instant bar on a budget" for 4 college guys. If any of you campers also fly in, you better be especially nice to me as Larry has asked me to do something....hint, hint..................money make the world go around:-). I'll leave it up to Larry to devulge the nicities. After rereading this post............I did see where I mentioned KR so I'm good. Can you tell I'm looking forward to the gathering?? You should be too. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:40:25 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: KR> Wiring harness To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed If any of you guys have several components to couple together on your panel and would like to have someone else do it for you, check out the following post I made on the RV list. On the home page you will also find Aeroelectric's book, which I truly think is a book you need to have on the shelf in you shop. As for Stein's site, you will find a slew of electrical components. I'm buying all my electrial stuff from him. One stop shopping. Just a head's up on Stein's service building harnesses. I just got my total harness from Steinair, including a T-shirt, from Stein. It is nothing but professional quality!! I worked with Stein and sent him my various install kits along with discussions on various lengths, various inputs, leaving some wires without connectors to be completed by me, push to talk lengths, Dynon remote sensor length. As a note, my panel harness included wiring between my 430/327/106A/EZ pilot autopilot/Dynon/MP3DVD player/Monroy traffic alert voice. The harness I pulled out of the box has all the attention to detail that make it a total package. I just decided to keep it in house and use someone that enjoys the flying we all do. Stein took care of getting it done professionally. I couldn't have done this in months. I'll leave it up to Stein to discuss prices with you as every harness would be different. Can you say, plug and play?? In a morning I was able to temp. fire up the panel. Sweeeeeet Thanks Stein, I see no reason not to keep it in house. http://www.steinair.com Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive >From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: KR> Vacuum pump >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:31:02 -0400 > >You can use an air or smog pump standard equipment on many autos from >the >70s and 80s, and just reverse the hookups so that instead of blowing it is >sucking air. They were belt driven in plentiful supply, easy to rig, light >weight, and low on hp draw. > >Colin & Bev Rainey >KR2(td) N96TA >Sanford, FL >crainey1@cfl.rr.com >http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:43:49 +1000 From: "GavinandLouise" Subject: Re: KR> Carbon Fibre spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d701c468ce$aa402a20$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Be careful!!!!!! if you don't put enough Carbon to take all the load in it's own right, you run the risk of it breaking, and then transferring the load to the timber that it is laminated with. and if you've scrimped on the timber it'll break as well CRASH!!!!!!!! Use either one or the other. And which ever you use USE enough of it to carry the load. Gavin Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: RE: KR> Carbon Fibre spars > Hi Duncan, > could you please post Ed Blocher's site URL, I couldn't find it... > > Alex Birca, > Moldova > > > > Hi, > I visited Ed Blocher's site, and saw some photos of his laminated > spar. I noted with interest his inclusion of a couple of layers of > carbon fibre in the laminations. And this got me thinking... > > Is this a good/bad/neutral thing to do? > > What would be the pros/cons of a completely CF spar? > > Duncan of Devonport > Auckland, New Zealand > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 09/07/2004 ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:01:10 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000701c468d1$1daeb920$2264a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You can use an air or smog pump standard equipment on many autos ........ +++++++++++++++++++ I have seen reference to a "smog pump" on several occasions - hoped that it would become obvious at some point and save me from showing my ignorance - what is a smog pump? Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:04:08 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Carbon Fibre spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002801c468d1$81460600$612cd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net Years ago there was a discussion about making changes to the spars. In conclusion it was noted that if a change is made to the strength or ability of the spar to flex, then the resultant strain or load is shifted to a new spot. If the outer spars cant flex, then the strain might be moved to the wing attach fittings or the center section. Without analysis or testing you might truly be flying an EXPERIMENT. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:17:13 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: KR> Gathering To: KR Net Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902AB6@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain 72 days. Oh yea!!! :-) Mark Jones ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:16:05 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Gathering camping?? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since no one else has brought it up, is there anywhere to take a shower if we camp in a tent? Or do we fill the keg with water when it is empty and take a keg shower. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ml ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:11:02 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> BMW engines adn Diesel Engines and now Jabiru engines To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002201c468da$dcf15820$5904e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Barry will do. Do you get a cut? Doug -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Barry Kruyssen Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:49 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> BMW engines adn Diesel Engines and now Jabiru engines Not wanting to be a Jabiru salesman but they have agents in the following contries, checkout their WEB site for contact info at http://www.jabiru.net.au ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:35:46 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Gathering camping?? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Brian Kraut" > >Since no one else has brought it up, is there anywhere to take a shower >if we camp in a tent? Or do we fill the keg with water when it is >empty and take a keg shower. I guess we certainly let Larry chime in but my thought is what I do anyway................a bar of soap, wash rag, the FBO's bathroom facilities (which will get a workout anyway), deodorant and away we go. If push comes to shove I'll just buy one of those shower bags and take a shower with my running shorts on. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:39:57 EDT From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Vacuum pump To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <7d.52d1398b.2e25402d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Do you need to regulate the vacuum on the smog pump?.. well it run the DG and AI? A gentlemen e-mailed me off line and his 1960 172A has a belt driven vacuum pump and it has worked well with only needing periodic belt replacement. Thanks, John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:45:58 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> Gathering camping?? To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902AB7@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain -----Original Message----- From: Dana Overall [mailto:bo124rs@hotmail.com] what I do anyway................deodorant THANK GOD !!! Mark Jones ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:41:19 EDT From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> RR still in business? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1ed.2529574f.2e25407f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Do copywrites ever expire???? ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:23:01 GMT From: "jscott.pilot@juno.com" Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040713.072402.11329.326449@webmail16.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain I have seen reference to a "smog pump" on several occasions - hoped that it would become obvious at some point and save me from showing my ignorance - what is a smog pump? Steve J -------------------- Smog pump is the reference to a small belt driven air pump that was used in the 70s and 80s cars to inject fresh air into the exhaust ahead of the catalytic converter to help the converter to burn off the left over hydrocarbons in the engine exhaust. If one was to use the inlet side of this pump, it makes a nice little vacuum pump. Owen McPherson appears to have this setup on his VW powered KR. Re: regulating vacuum. If the vacuum can exceed the rating for your gyros, you probably need to use a vacuum regulator. The KR Gathering is the place to see all these kinds of innovations in use. Jeff Scott +++++++++++++++++++ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:17:06 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> RR still in business? To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040713081650.0246d120@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yes, 75 years. At 09:41 AM 7/13/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Do copywrites ever expire???? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> Carbon Fibre spars To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040713154724.72128.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very good point Gavin. Jim Marske covers this in some detail at the URL below; http://www.continuo.com/marske/carbon/carbon.htm The carbon will stretch, hope this is the correct way to view the problem, much more than the wood (modulus of elasticity?), so you must use more carbon than you might expect when mixing it with wood in a spar. In a conference I attended a few years ago Joe Alvarez of Polliwagon fame mentioned that you could replace a wooden spar completely with carbon rod from Marske at a 1/20 ratio. That is compute the area cross section of the wooden spar and then use 1/20 of the area as the amount of carbon to build the carbon spar. Denny ... "One tst is worth 10,000 expert opinions." Irv Culver GavinandLouise wrote: Be careful!!!!!! if you don't put enough Carbon to take all the load in it's own right, you run the risk of it breaking, and then transferring the load to the timber that it is laminated with. and if you've scrimped on the timber it'll break as well CRASH!!!!!!!! Use either one or the other. And which ever you use USE enough of it to carry the load. Gavin Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: RE: KR> Carbon Fibre spars > Hi Duncan, > could you please post Ed Blocher's site URL, I couldn't find it... > > Alex Birca, > Moldova > > > > Hi, > I visited Ed Blocher's site, and saw some photos of his laminated > spar. I noted with interest his inclusion of a couple of layers of > carbon fibre in the laminations. And this got me thinking... > > Is this a good/bad/neutral thing to do? > > What would be the pros/cons of a completely CF spar? > > Duncan of Devonport > Auckland, New Zealand > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Mail is new and improved - Check it out! ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:33:23 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" Subject: Re: KR> Carbon Fibre spars To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I used 4 layers of CF 400 gm and 2 layers of fiber cloth together between each wood in the spar.. also I added M/b from west system which is really very strong and needs agrander to sand it after it cured...also I used aspecille epoxy - which is not that much nassasory _ ( the pro set) used for any lamination works also from west system ..If I wanted an ubnormal kr I would then build afully carboone fiber spars or alumenume one,but laminated spars are fine because there is no any failers until now as I know ..... nasser AL www.uaespaces.com ... >From: "GavinandLouise" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> Carbon Fibre spars >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:43:49 +1000 > >Be careful!!!!!! if you don't put enough Carbon to take all the load >in it's own right, you run the risk of it breaking, and then >transferring the load to the timber that it is laminated with. and if >you've scrimped on the timber it'll break as well CRASH!!!!!!!! Use >either one or the other. And which ever you use USE enough of it to >carry the load. > > >Gavin >Australia > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)" >To: "'KRnet'" >Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:50 PM >Subject: RE: KR> Carbon Fibre spars > > > > Hi Duncan, > > could you please post Ed Blocher's site URL, I couldn't find it... > > > > Alex Birca, > > Moldova > > > > > > > > Hi, > > I visited Ed Blocher's site, and saw some photos of his laminated > > spar. >I > > noted with interest his inclusion of a couple of layers of carbon > > fibre >in > > the laminations. And this got me thinking... > > > > Is this a good/bad/neutral thing to do? > > > > What would be the pros/cons of a completely CF spar? > > > > Duncan of Devonport > > Auckland, New Zealand > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 09/07/2004 > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 27 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================