From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 29 Date: 7/14/2004 5:47:46 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Height of landing gear? (Duncan) 2. Air Force One (Mark Jones) 3. Re: Air Force One (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) 4. Re: Camping (Dan Heath) 5. RE: Aerobatics in the KR? (Serge F. Vidal) 6. RE: Height of landing gear? (alphabravo pilot) 7. Height of landing gear? (Edward Seaman) 8. 71 days to the Gathering !!! (Mark Jones) 9. RE: Attending Oshkosh (Wood, Sidney M.) 10. RE: Smog pump (Wood, Sidney M.) 11. REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Kathleen Robbins) 12. Re: REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Mark Langford) 13. Re: Camping (Pat Driscoll) 14. Re: REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (StRaNgEdAyS) 15. Vacuum pump (Colin & Bev Rainey) 16. RE: Vacuum pump (Wood, Sidney M.) 17. RE: REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Ron Freiberger) 18. RE: Vacuum pump (Ron Freiberger) 19. Re: Vacuum pump (Barry Kruyssen) 20. Re: Vacuum pump (JSMONDAY@aol.com) 21. Re: Vacuum pump DO NOT ARCHIVE (Barry Kruyssen) 22. IFR deliberate (Colin & Bev Rainey) 23. Gathering camping?? (larry flesner) 24. Fw: RE:KR2S fire wall foward (Joseph H Horton) 25. RE: REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Dick Goff) 26. RE: Vacuum pump (Stephen Jacobs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:17:51 +1200 From: Duncan Subject: KR> Height of landing gear? To: krnet Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040714161533.04097da8@styx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, I visited a pal of mine yesterday who is building an RV, and I couldn't help but notice how "tall" the plane was. Is there any reason (apart from the reduced drag which short gear possesses, and the fact that the standard gear just happens to be very short) why the KR has such short gear? Duncan of Devonport Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:44:39 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Air Force One To: "KR Net" , "Corvaircraft" Message-ID: <009601c4695d$4610d600$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tonight at 8:15 pm, I was out in the garage making a new starter mount from a solid 2x4x7" block of 6061-T6 to replace the one I made from the oil filler / filter housing on my Corvair engine when over the scanner I heard "Air Force One reporting eight west on final". The pres is visiting here in Milwaukee tonight and tomorrow. I thought that was pretty cool. BTW, the new mount is way cool. Photos soon. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:48:51 EDT From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Air Force One To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <12f.46378932.2e263153@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 7/13/2004 9:43:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, flykr2s@wi.rr.com writes: when over the scanner I heard "Air Force One reporting eight west on final". The pres is visiting here in Milwaukee tonight and tomorrow. That is cool. Being an aircraft mechanic for America West Airlines (One of 3 airline that is making a profit and actually hiring right now) I have seen Air Force One op close several times. There is no other 747 in the world that has an aluminum finished belly with the reflection of a mirror. Chris Theroux Gilbert AZ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:26:03 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Camping To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40F50A3B.00000D.02272@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Pat, Are you at the Holiday Inn? "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 07/13/04 23:35:32 To: KR Mailing list Subject: KR> Camping I have a room 5 miles from the airport. Anyone camping is welcome to use the shower. Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:27:05 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" Subject: RE: KR> Aerobatics in the KR? To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4698d$1cf1a440$2c0101c0@ate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Dene! Was it my plane (ZS-WEC), by any chance? Cheers, Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC - Taildragger, VW powered (2.4 liter, dual electronic ignition) - Total aircraft time: 390h - Aircraft hangared at: Orleans, France - Pilot moaning in: Tunis, Tunisia E-mail: serge.vidal@ate-international.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dene Collett (SA) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 21:41 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Aerobatics in the KR? Hi Guys I have done rolls in a KR2 and I know the same plane did loops as well without any problems. It was powered by a type4 VW 2.0L. Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: KR> Aerobatics in the KR? > Hi, > I've searched the archives of this list, and have not really found > much, so > here goes with my question: > > Can one perform 'recreational' aerobatics in a Corvair-powered KR2? > > Before you dash off a reply pointing out that I should look elsewhere > for a > more suitable aircraft, let me hasten to add that I'm not asking if it > can handle competition type aerobatics, I know it can't. I'm asking > because I'm about to do a 15-hr aerobatics course, and I would really > like to spend > some of those long summer afternoons practising a few loops and rolls. > I know the Sonex, for instance, (whose airframe is rated to roughly > the same G-forces, and which uses the VW conversion) is certainly > rated for mild aerobatics. So, what about the KR? > > Duncan > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:25:19 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" Subject: RE: KR> Height of landing gear? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I dont know how much is your background about calculation and mathmatics?..but in asempole way we can say that the shorter the landing gear is the more groundeffict you will get ..that mean that there will be more chance for floting ,which also mean that your airplane will get off the ground faster. generlly it reduse take off distance and increased landing distance (more flaire ability) Nasser al www.uaespaces.com >From: Duncan >Reply-To: KRnet >To: krnet >Subject: KR> Height of landing gear? >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:17:51 +1200 > >Hi, >I visited a pal of mine yesterday who is building an RV, and I couldn't >help but notice how "tall" the plane was. Is there any reason (apart >from the reduced drag which short gear possesses, and the fact that the >standard gear just happens to be very short) why the KR has such short >gear? > >Duncan of Devonport >Auckland, New Zealand > > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:41:24 +0100 (BST) From: Edward Seaman Subject: KR> Height of landing gear? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040714124124.4249.qmail@web25303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Duncan The undercarriage height is influenced by a few things, but the two issues in this case: The Original KR1 and 2 had a low tech, low cost, very simple retract system that was almost great. Many KR's are still flying with these folding legs(taildragger). The simplicity of the design dictated that they were pretty short (stubby) and thus a the very low sit on the ground. No other reason. For what it is worth, I thought this was a great concept until it became clear that there was no real speed advantage in this particular case. Pity. coz that is the whole idea behind a retractable u/c. So - the original KR's were squat simply coz it suited the landing gear as designed and supplied by Kenny Rand. The next issue is propeller ground clearance. With the original direct drive VW engines it was neccessary to let them step out a bit (rev up) to develop the hp. We never want our propeller (tips) to go supersonic (or even close) so the faster we turn the prop, the smaller the diameter needs to be. The smaller the diameter, the smaller the circumference, the less feet travelled during one rotation, the less feet travelled per minute, the lower the tip velocity (for a given rpm) As a consequence, prop diameters were relatively modest and the squat landing gear was not really an issue. Some builders used different motors like the C65/85 and O-200/235 that needed a bigger prop. Similarly, redrives emerged that facilitated slower prop rpm on auto engines, so bigger (longer) propellers were back in fashion. The folding legs soon gave way to the variety of attractive and effective (rugged) u/c configurations we see today. Even if the original folding legs had been popular, they would have presented a problem for the new breed of power plants. The u/c simply needed to be taller. A fixed u/c presents drag in proportion to its size (and length)-so most builders will only accept what they need for enough propeller clearance. Ed ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:47:40 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: KR> 71 days to the Gathering !!! To: KR Net Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902ABC@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain GET PUMPED....be there !!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:23:49 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> Attending Oshkosh To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Come by the Composites forum or the Home Builders Construction office on Friday. After the forums we can talk KR's. Sid Wood, Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of wdecker@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:53 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: RE: KR> Attending Oshkosh How about those who cannot make it the whole week? I will be in Oshkosh from Friday through Sunday (July 30 through August 1), and would really welcome the opportunity to see one or two KR's as well as talk to some builders. Any idea for on informal meeting during these days? Wolfgang > > From: Mark Jones > Date: 2004/07/13 Tue PM 02:03:59 EDT > To: 'KRnet' > Subject: RE: KR> Attending Oshkosh > > There is a KR forum (meeting) on Tuesday July 27 at 11:30am in tent > #10. This will be the biggest single gathering of KR builders, pilots > and those who want to be. This is your best chance to meet a lot of KR > family members. > > Mark Jones > N886MJ > Wales, WI > Flykr2s@wi.rr.com > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:19:13 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> Smog pump To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Junk the smog pump. If you are going to install gyro instruments, these will cost you $1,500 for a cheap set for attitude and heading plus a 10-pound weight increase plus the smog pump and plumbing. Instead, go for the electronic flat panel display. Units like the Dynon www.dynondevelopment.com have digital gyros for attitude horizon and magnetic gyro stabilized heading, air speed, altitude, rate of climb, turn rate, slip/skid ball, voltmeter, clock/timer, g meter, plus digital altitude encoder for your transponder for $2,100. Lighting for day/night is built in. Options for OAT and AOA are a little extra. Power is less than 0.5 amp and the unit fits in a standard 3-1/8 inch instrument hole. All-up weight is 2.4 pounds. English or metric units are pilot selectable. If you want just VFR, you can shed more weight by dumping the mechanical flight gauges also. That will save another $1,500. Sid Wood, Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD YSA Sidney.wood@titan.com You are not ignorant A smog pump is the air pump that was used as one of the first versions of enhancing emissions control by pumping air into the exhaust to have the burning gas air mixture continue burning in the exhaust manifold when the choke was on, or divert down stream to the catalytic convertor to help it heat up so that it would begin to burn the excess unburned mixture and carbon monoxide. They have a simple air pump design and air belt driven and typically weigh about 4-5 pounds complete. If you get one from a salvage yard you will also get the fitting that allows it to be attached to the air tubes on the older car. If you put a pressure regulator inline before the instruments, and a filter, you can blow through the instruments like they do on the Beech Duchess and operate them that way. If that is prohibited by the instrument manufacturer, then you will have to drill and tap the suction hole on the pump and re-locate your fitting to that hole. Get some gasket making sheet materi! al which comes in an 8x11 sheet of different thicknesses from your local auto parts store and custom cut your own mounting gasket and mount it dry with NO silicone that can get sucked into the line and plug the instruments. You will still need some form of a regulator. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:43:44 -0500 From: Kathleen Robbins Subject: KR> REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040714103023.02d3df40@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This is my third request to be removed from the distribution list. PLEASE TAKE ME OFF. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:54:46 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004d01c469ba$e39087b0$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK, I'm dying to know....is there anybody on this list that does NOT have the message at the bottom of every message that says: "to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net"? I can see how that might happen with some wierd service like AOL, but I've never heard anybody say that it wasn't displayed, and I'd have thought we'd have heard from somebody by now if that were the case... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:58:50 -0500 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: Re: KR> Camping To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001201c469bb$7498fa80$298dd440@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan and All, I am at the Best Inn-Mt. Vernon. Room rate is 40.49 per night. Queen bed, non smoking. Thurs., Fri., Sat., nights. Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:26:56 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: Message-ID: <40F55ED0.000004.03444@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "OK, I'm dying to know....is there anybody on this list that does NOT have the message at the bottom of every message that says: "to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net"?" Perhaps you need to draw them a picture...:p ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:01:50 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Vacuum pump To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002201c469dd$66bdcc20$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dynon makes a great unit and if VFR is your only goal than all is good. If IFR is your goal than it is not IFR for stand alone use. It must be backed up by all analog gauges or 2 electrical systems in the event of electrical failure of the primary. True all electric panels have been used for years in the jets but with redundant electricals. Even more weight.... Every choice has its own compromises, choose whatever best suits you... Come inspector please call back.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:50 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Even the gee whiz Sirius machines and Cessna 182 glass cockpits are required to have the analog gauges. Still in transition... Sid Wood, Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dynon makes a great unit and if VFR is your only goal than all is good. If IFR is your goal than it is not IFR for stand alone use. It must be backed up by all analog gauges or 2 electrical systems in the event of electrical failure of the primary. True all electric panels have been used for years in the jets but with redundant electricals. Even more weight.... Every choice has its own compromises, choose whatever best suits you... Come inspector please call back.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:53 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can you be more explicit ???? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:55 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, I'm dying to know....is there anybody on this list that does NOT have the message at the bottom of every message that says: "to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net"? ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:55:58 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone who DELIBERATELY flys a KR into IMC needs more than a backup. Why would anyone expect a sporty flying aircraft to fly like it was on rails? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:58:57 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Vacuum pump To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <021501c469ed$c72876e0$2700a8c0@T1W419b> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For accruals to be paid on termination the accrual records (pay component def 1200) must have the "TERMINATE" config type See the code in HRPAY710, Private Sub fSelectPayComponents ElseIf rlPayCompDef = 1200 Then '' only get PCRefs that are in the TERMINATE pay comp config If hr.cache.PCCfgCache.Item("TERMINATE", hr.cache.PCRefCache.Item(loData("fPCRef")).AccrlPayCompRef).Loaded = True Then regards Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Freiberger To: KRnet Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:55 AM Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump Anyone who DELIBERATELY flys a KR into IMC needs more than a backup. Why would anyone expect a sporty flying aircraft to fly like it was on rails? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:09:18 EDT From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Vacuum pump To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1ef.254acf01.2e27090e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Perhaps some of us would like to fly IFR flight plans and never fly into IMC... or perhaps we live in a marginal foggy area all summer and would like to fly every once in awhile when the visibility is slightly under VFR... or use IFR designated flight routes through military training areas not otherwise available. Thanks, John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA In a message dated 7/14/2004 3:02:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kr2@bigpond.com writes: Anyone who DELIBERATELY flys a KR into IMC needs more than a backup. Why would anyone expect a sporty flying aircraft to fly like it was on rails? Ron Freiberger ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:27:15 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Vacuum pump DO NOT ARCHIVE To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <023a01c469f1$b8d729c0$2700a8c0@T1W419b> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry All I've replied to the wrong email this should have been for work. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Kruyssen To: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ; KRnet Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: Re: KR> Vacuum pump For accruals to be paid on termination the accrual records (pay component def 1200) must have the "TERMINATE" config type See the code in HRPAY710, Private Sub fSelectPayComponents ElseIf rlPayCompDef = 1200 Then '' only get PCRefs that are in the TERMINATE pay comp config If hr.cache.PCCfgCache.Item("TERMINATE", hr.cache.PCRefCache.Item(loData("fPCRef")).AccrlPayCompRef).Loaded = True Then regards Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Freiberger To: KRnet Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:55 AM Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump Anyone who DELIBERATELY flys a KR into IMC needs more than a backup. Why would anyone expect a sporty flying aircraft to fly like it was on rails? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:17:48 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> IFR deliberate To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001601c469f8$c78a44f0$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree that there are acceptable circumstances where the KR is a good platform for IFR conditions, the same as there are some that apply to a C152. I would not take a C152 into what Instrument Pilots know as hard IMC, but the flexibility to be able to descend through a cloud layer like Marty & Jim got stuck on top of going to one of the Gatherings, or get out or in when it is low visibility, but margins are not down to minimums that would require a more stable platform, yes I think it would be fine. It all has to do with your skill level and your proficiency. There are alot of situations that I personally would not fly in unless I had a twin, but that is a personal judgement based on experience and my limitations. To me there is a huge difference between flying in bad weather IMC and flying in marginal or IFR visibility conditions. We are having alot of fires down here right now, and without warning and area can get really close to being IFR as far as flight visiblity is concerned, but does not present the same type of hazards as the afternoon thunderstorms do. I eventually want the flexibility to come home in the smoke and land safely. That is the kind of instrument work/flying I am talking about, not getting into the clouds for hours at a time like I do now with 172s and twins. Sometimes I wonder about using 172s, but that is another story.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:33:46 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Gathering camping?? To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040714183346.0090cac0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gathering campers, I checked with the airport manager today to varify that he said putting up a tent would be o.k. I told him I had four or five attendees that wanted to camp and he said he wouldn't have a problem with that so bring it on. The "tent" area is maybe 300 yards from the terminal and just past the area where the motorhomes will park. There is a pavillion with picnic tables, two fire pits on metal pipes, and is located next to a small lake. It is an area that is rather off by itself so you shouldn't be bothered by people driving by. I believe there is a small gravel road that runs right past the site but will have no traffic as it is strictly a maintenance road. If I get any more info I'll pass it along. Larry Flesner - 2004 Gathering host - www.krgathering.org ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:48:56 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: KR> Fw: RE:KR2S fire wall foward To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040714.185400.-691737.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com Here it is: http://www.experimental-aviation.com/Corvair/JoeHorton.html Scroll to the bottom for the newest 4 photos. Pat > Joe Horton wrote: > > > I will be sending a couple pictures to Pat latter this evening from > > a EAA chatpter picnic at my house last night ( hopfully he will be > > kind enough to up date a file he posted for me a couple years ago) > > That will be my pleasure. > > Pat _________________________________________________________ to UNsubscribe from CorvAircraft, send a message to CorvAircraft-leave@mylist.net Other CorvAircraft list info is at http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:18:37 -0500 From: dcgoff@webtv.net (Dick Goff) Subject: RE: KR> REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com, krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <11287-40F5CD5D-1354@storefull-3313.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Dear Ron, I did not send the E-mail requesting I be removed from the krnet. I don't know who is playing games. I know the proper method for removal. I definitely do not want to be removed. My correct E-mail address is: dcgoff@webtv.net. Sorry for the irritation. Dick Goff ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:47:05 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c46a05$4166bf90$5c64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" = fly (file) IFR flight plans and never fly into IMC = marginal foggy area all summer = visibility is slightly under VFR = use IFR designated flight routes ++++++++++++++++++++ John puts the matter into perspective - IFR does not always mean heading into hard QBI. So many of my flights end 15 minutes after dark and during the summer months we often need to drop through 1000' of gentle cumulus to get home. Besides that, even with the required level of respect for the weather and the very best of intentions, sooner or later you will run out of blue sky (or day light). Folks that use their airplanes purely for fun around home base can probably ignore this, but if you often fly cross country the odds change. I had an in depth look at the Dynon EFIS including a discussion with their technical guy - I think it is a Godsend for home builders from a cost /weight /facilities perspective. The solid state gyros are pretty solid and the overall system should be as reliable as any other piece of modern avionics or electronics. Over the last 35 years I have had loads more grief from vacuum pumps and gyro instruments than I have ever had with a radio /ADF /Xponder /Hi-fi /VDU or a $19.99 walkman. Over that time the electronic stuff has become even lighter, better, cheaper and even MORE reliable - the steam gauges are still exactly what they were then. Redundancy is obviously first prize, but we don't really have that anyway - singles generally only have one vac pump - when that fails the AH and DI go out the window leaving you with a compass and the electric T&B. If the electrical system quits as well- you have now't. Don't think that this does not happen. The Dynon power requirement is typical of modern electronics - it will happily keep you well informed for a few hours on backup from the smallest of Gel Cells. The unit is designed to switch to a reserve battery - so no wizardry is required from us. Totalling the costs of a modest steam gauge panel layout with the associated vac kit makes the Dynon sound pretty good to me. A Glass cockpit KR for the same or less money. As a bonus, the Dynon produces the output needed for an auto pilot (roll and pitch /alt.). I suspect that only a low cost interface is required to drive the pitch and roll control via the trim servos. Take care Steve J ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 29 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================