From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 31 Date: 7/15/2004 8:18:47 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Minicab vs KR (StRaNgEdAyS) 2. Re: REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) 3. Re: REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Duncan) 4. Re: ELT Antenna Location (Dan Heath) 5. Re: ELT Antenna Location (Dan Heath) 6. RE: Vacuum pump (Dana Overall) 7. RE: Vacuum pump (Dana Overall) 8. RE: ELT Antenna Location (Stephen Jacobs) 9. RE: Vacuum pump (Stephen Jacobs) 10. ELT Antennas (JIM VANCE) 11. Re: ELT Antenna Location (Mark Langford) 12. RE: ELT Antenna Location (Mark Jones) 13. RE: Vacuum pump (Stephen Jacobs) 14. RE: ELT Antenna Location (Stephen Jacobs) 15. Re: ELT Antenna Location (JEHayward@aol.com) 16. 70 Days and Counting (Mark Jones) 17. ELT Antenna ground plane (larry flesner) 18. RE: Attending Oshkosh (Wood, Sidney M.) 19. RE: Attending Oshkosh (Wood, Sidney M.) 20. Re: 70 Days and Counting (David Mullins) 21. Re: 70 Days and Counting (Joseph H. Horton) 22. Re: 70 Days and Counting (Mark Jones) 23. Re: 70 Days and Counting (Mark Jones) 24. New Starter Mount (Mark Jones) 25. Air Filter (Mark Jones) 26. RE: ELT Antenna Location (Dan Heath) 27. Air Filter (Mark Jones) 28. Re: Gathering camping?? (Ray Fuenzalida) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:43:49 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> Minicab vs KR To: Message-ID: <40F60B85.000001.02544@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Duncan said: "I (perhaps foolishly) actually want to build my own plane. I might regret this, of course, but that's how I feel at the moment. If all you guys can successfully build really great planes, then so can I." Don't can the idea of building. It's really not as hard as it appears and it is probably one of the most rewarding things you could do. I'd much rather build my plane than buy it completed, that way I become intimately knowledgeable about every single part, joint, blemish, nut, bolt and wire in the thing, and I can then be totally confident that I can perform the maintenance on it myself. One of the other perks of building it yourself, you can save a whole bunch of cash on the upkeep. There are some good local sources for parts as well that bear investigating, Jabiru do provide a good deal of comparitively inexpensive bits for us on this (correct) hemisphere, and the owner of the Joey 2 kit as advertised in Pacific Flyer magazine also can and has supplied parts to local KR builders as well. Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:50:37 EDT From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <145.2e40366e.2e27752d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 7/14/2004 7:36:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time, N56ML@hiwaay.net writes: I find it amazing that somebody that can't manage to unsubscribe from this list is even considering building a "plans-built" airplane... There not! Why else would they want to be off the list? Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:18:33 +1200 From: Duncan Subject: Re: KR> REMOVE FROM LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040715211814.04441018@styx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, I wrote to Kathleen off-list and explained very nicely how to unsubscribe herself. Don't be such nasty people! :-) Regards, Duncan =========================== At 02:39 p.m. 15/07/2004, you wrote: >Jim Hayward wrote: > > >Nope... we even get it here on AOL and in S. Dakota to boot! :-) > >On the subject of the "how to unsubscribe", since I haven't heard >anything to the contrary, I'm going to assume that the line IS visible >at the bottom of every email regardless of mail system, and will have a >lot less tolerance for morons who can't manage to unsubscribe from this >list without assistance. I find it amazing that somebody that can't >manage to unsubscribe from this list is even considering building a >"plans-built" airplane... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >N56ML "at" hiwaay.net >see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html Duncan of Devonport Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:58:34 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> ELT Antenna Location To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40F6554A.000009.02584@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Are they suggesting you might get power from one antenna feeding to the other and setting off the ELT or what? Larry, They don't suggest anything. Another issue that I discovered after sending the message is that it requires a ground plane with a minimum diameter of 36 . If I go behind the seat, there is no flat place that will accommodate a 36 in diameter ground plane. The Little Beast had an ACK in it that was self contained. The antenna was about the same as this one, except that it was part of the ACK. Before I finished the plane, I had it stored in the trunk of my car along with all the other stuff that I hauled back and forth to the airport. Not thinking much about it, I never thought to remove the battery. Well, one night at about 2am, the CAP were knocking on my door because the aircraft that had been sent out of Shaw AFB had determined that the plane (the one my ELT was supposed to be in) had crashed in my driveway. I thought that I was in serious trouble, but they just cautioned me and took it as an exercise. Did I ever feel like the luckiest idiot on the planet. The point is, that thing worked from the trunk of my car and did not have any such antenna set up as this thing is asking for. It would be nice to know the requirements before buying stuff like this. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:02:58 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> ELT Antenna Location To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40F65652.00000D.02584@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, That is cool, and it only talks about COM freq range antenna. However, if wishes were fishes, my antenna would be back there also. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:50:08 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" > >Dynon makes a great unit and if VFR is your only goal than all is good. >If >IFR is your goal than it is not IFR for stand alone use. It must be backed >up by all analog gauges or 2 electrical systems in the event of electrical >failure of the primary. Colin, I'm not going to get into a KR and IFR debate as most know how I feel. However, the above statement is not correct and I just want to correct this thought. The Dynon used as an artificial horizon satisfies the required equipment list as is, this is not a portion of the regs that must meet the "IFR approved" equipment for the ground facilities to be used requirement. Just wanted to clear that up. In my case I do not have an alternate horizon as it is not required but am using as essential bus electrical system just for my satisfaction as well as an autopilot totally independant of the horizon. You will get conflicting versions all around this issue but it is really pretty cut and dry. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:18:32 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Stephen Jacobs" > >As a bonus, the Dynon produces the output needed for an auto pilot >(roll and pitch /alt.). I suspect that only a low cost interface is >required to drive the pitch and roll control via the trim servos. As a Dynon user, once again I want to clear up another very small issue. The Dynon does not require a GPS input and the current 10 head does not support, nor output autopilot info. Cprrect me if I'm wrong but I just talked with them on the phone about my upgrade. The new 10A has an upgrade in their future plans, as they are going to develope their own autopilot. The only thing the Dynon outputs at this time is the gray code for a transponder. Blue Mountain and Grand Rapid Technology both use GPS input and will drive an autopilot but at a cost of 3Xs the Dynon. The new experimental autopilots are, in my opinion, much better units than the certified units. The internal electical gyro are incased in the autopilot head itself and need no other inputs to fly as a wing leveler. The only info they need is right and left turn inputs from a GPS to fly a course. Altitude hold is currently a simple "push to hold" and it keeps flying at whatever pressure altitude you engage the altitude hold. As for experimental autopilots, if you want a cross country airplane that won't wear you out, check out EZ Pilot Autopilots (do a search) and TruTrack. EZ Pilot is the one I am using as it is ahead of TruTrack in course intercept in the price range I was looking at. I believe the retail of the EZ Pilot with course intercept is something like $995. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:48:49 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> ELT Antenna Location To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000201c46a61$b5021100$b964a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" no flat place that will accommodate a 36 in diameter ground plane It would be nice to know the requirements before buying stuff like this. ++++++++++++++++++++ I am not sure that the ground plain needs to be perfectly flat - I have seen some that have consisted of 3/4" wide brass or copper strip laid out in a cross with the Antenna in the centre. Better to do an installation that provides the best possible signal propagation Dan - you never know where you may be if you ever need to be found. On a few occasions now we have (as fellow pilots) used the ELT signal to find a missing airplane by flying through the antenna radiation "cone" in different directions and using the strongest signal on each pass as the centre. The problem has always been to find the signal in the first place. Fortunately, in each case we were had an international flight passing overhead with a Rx on the emergency channel - each time they have heard it first and given us a fix. (the "cone" must be huge at FL350) Steve J Zambia ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:57:47 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000301c46a62$f60db810$b964a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As a Dynon user ........ the current 10 head does not support, nor output autopilot info +++++++++++++++++++ Thanks for setting that straight Dana and thanks for the pointer - I was not aware of either TruTrack or EZ Pilot - will go find them right now. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:10:23 -0500 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: KR> ELT Antennas To: "krnet" Message-ID: <000f01c46a65$1186bae0$0700a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The extensive demands to make a huge groundplane for your ELT antenna is based more on the lawyers' input than the engineers. The company insists that you put in this huge groundplane, which won't fit in 98% of the planes. Then, if you have to use your ELT and it doesn't work properly, they can say it is not their fault because you did not install it properly. Run a piece of RG-58 FOAM coax to about 18 inches behind the cockpit area. Leave an additional 21 inches of length. Cut the cover and remove it without damaging the shield. Push the shield up so it becomes loose and work the center wire through the shield where the cover begins. Flatten the shield out and pull it to maximum length. Cut the shield off 22 inches long. Bend the center wire away from the shield about 90 degrees. Put the center of this new dipole antenna about half way up the side wall of the fuselage. Run the center conductor vertical and flox it into place. It will curve towards the center of the aircraft on the inside of the turtledeck. Run the shield down the sidewall and across the floor of the fuselage, and bond it into place. The antenna will check real close to a 1:1 standing wave ratio. Then you can concentrate on the really fun things, like sanding. Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:13:30 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> ELT Antenna Location To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00cc01c46a65$24b1cdd0$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > On a few occasions now we have (as fellow pilots) used the ELT signal > to find a missing airplane by flying through the antenna radiation > "cone" in different directions and using the strongest signal on each > pass as the centre. I'm no antenna expert, but I thought the pattern from that sort of antenna was more of a doughnut shape, which means directly above the antenna would be one of the weakest places in the pattern. An electrical engineer buddy here at work did a study of my dipole and plotted out an image of the pattern, and it was a doughnut. I was investigating the effects of painting the aft deck with silver paint, and result was not encouraging at all! If I find it I'll post it later. Adrian Carter posted his design for a comm antenna at one time. I've reposted it at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr_antenna.gif if it'll help anybody else out. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:18:56 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> ELT Antenna Location To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902ABF@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain -----Original Message----- From: Dan Heath [mailto:DanRH@AllTel.net] Another issue that I discovered after sending the message is that it requires a ground plane with a minimum diameter of 36". If I go behind the seat, there is no flat place that will accommodate a 36" in diameter ground plane. Dan, I have the same ELT as you. I also have the comm antenna installed in my vertical stabilizer. I also have a 36" flat ground plane. Plus I am more than 3' from the comm antenna. Your ground plane does not have to be a solid diameter of metal. What I did was to take two 36" x 1" x 1/16" pieces of aluminum flat bar and make an X with them and drill the antenna hole at the cross and install the antenna there. Two legs of the ground plane are attached under the shelf just behind the seat as far forward as possible and spread as wide as possible. The two legs reaching rearward are attached (floxed) to one of the cross members at the longerons. Where is your comm antenna? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:22:28 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Vacuum pump To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c46a66$68399870$3864a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" if you want a cross country airplane that won't wear you out, check out EZ Pilot Autopilots (do a search) and TruTrack ++++++++++++++++ EZ Pilot: http://www.trioavionics.com/ TruTrack: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:40:25 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> ELT Antenna Location To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c46a68$eadd4810$3864a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought the pattern from that sort of antenna was more of a doughnut shape, which means directly above the antenna would be one of the weakest places in the pattern ++++++++++++++++++ Correct = the propagation pattern (in section) for a whip antenna is like a squashed heart shape with the lobes either side of centre - weakest signal is right in the centre along the line the whip is pointing. From above it is a doughnut. We took that into account, IF the distressed airplane was still right way up, there would be two peaks on each pass. By the time we found the signal and moved down to 1000 agl that became academic. Point was (is)- give your ELT the best possible chance of getting help for you by optimising the antenna installation. Take care Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:13:11 EDT From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> ELT Antenna Location To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <46.532b0eda.2e27dce7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 7/14/04 7:12:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time, DanRH@AllTel.net writes: << I have a problem that I would suppose that most of you will or do have now. My ELT ( AmeriKing ) says that the antenna must be located 3 feet from any vertically polarized communication antenna. Where is there 3 feet available between where a com could be installed and where this (*&)(*& can be installed? >> Dan, they are probably talking about horizontal separation. If you can mount it vertically separated like one on the bottom and the other on top of the fuselage, that would give you more than enough "electronic" separation. Jim H. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:36:52 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: KR> 70 Days and Counting To: KR Net Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902AC0@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain To the Gathering that is. Mark Jones ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:31:48 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> ELT Antenna ground plane To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040715083148.007aa1b0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Another issue that I discovered after sending >the message is that it requires a ground plane with a minimum diameter >of 36 Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I don't recall the size required but I used "tin foil" for a ground plane. I sprayed the floor with spray adhesive and laid down the foil. It goes up and over the spruce cross pieces. Make sure the foil makes good contact with the "ground" contact on the antenna mount. Test indicated it works for me although I don't know the actual range. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:03:33 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> Attending Oshkosh To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What is the plan for a KR dinner at Oshkosh Air Venture 2004? Sid Wood, Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:17:03 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> Attending Oshkosh To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wolfgang, Composites 101 www.airventure.org/forums/interest.asp is, as the title implies, the entry level for composite construction. This is the first lesson in the 2-day weekend Sport Air composites workshops that EAA sponsors during the year. The Air Venture session is abbreviated slightly with less hands-on practice. Sid Wood, Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sid, I will stop by at the afternoon session. I suppose you are talking about the Composites 101 course going from 1:00 to 2:30 p.m. I won't be able to make the morning session, since my flight arrives in Appleton around 9:00 a.m. Hope to see as many KR's at Osh' as I can. Wolfgang ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:22:16 -0400 From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> 70 Days and Counting To: KRnet Message-ID: <40F70398.3090102@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Mark, Are you going to get up on a chair and dance for us like you did at the last Gathering? Dave Mullins Mark Jones wrote: >To the Gathering that is. > >Mark Jones > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:34:59 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> 70 Days and Counting To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040715.183500.2184.4.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Mark, > > Are you going to get up on a chair and dance for us > like you did at the last Gathering? > > Dave Mullins > > > > Mark Jones wrote: Dave- If I were a betting man I'd say he won't remember. Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:51:30 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> 70 Days and Counting To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003501c46abe$455d7620$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What??????? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mullins" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: Re: KR> 70 Days and Counting > Mark, > > Are you going to get up on a chair and dance for us > like you did at the last Gathering? > > Dave Mullins > > > > Mark Jones wrote: > > >To the Gathering that is. > > > >Mark Jones > > > >_______________________________________ > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:54:52 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> 70 Days and Counting To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003901c46abe$bd596760$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OH YEA....I remember now. That is definitely going to be a story for the circle this year!!!!! Remember, I even tried to give away money. But that didn't work. Or did it? Thanks for bringing back the memories. Some of them anyway. Sorry guys, this was another...you had to be there to understand story. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mullins" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: Re: KR> 70 Days and Counting > Mark, > > Are you going to get up on a chair and dance for us > like you did at the last Gathering? > > Dave Mullins > > > > Mark Jones wrote: > > >To the Gathering that is. > > > >Mark Jones > > > >_______________________________________ > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:38:43 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> New Starter Mount To: "KR Net" , "Corvaircraft" Message-ID: <005101c46ac4$dd923f60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As I promised, here is a link to my new starter mount which was just completed today. This mount was made from a solid block of aluminum using common shop tools. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/startermount.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:31:15 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Air Filter To: "KR Net" , "Corvaircraft" Message-ID: <007601c46acc$34deb620$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I also fabricated an air filter for my Ellison today. Here is the link to that: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html Also fabricated today the brackets for my speed brake actuator to mount to. I will post photos on those when they are installed in the plane. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:46:20 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> ELT Antenna Location To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40F7336C.000003.03032@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My com is on top, about where Marty's is, and the ground plane for that is stuck to the inside of the turtle deck. We are using copper tape. I may do what you did and put a ground plane of copper tape on top of the longeron cross pieces, and put a piece of skin plywood on first to give something to put the antenna on. I discussed this with AmeriKing via email today and they said that it did not have to be 3 feet from the com an it didn't have to be 36" in diameter, that 24" would do. As I told Larry earlier, my ACK antenna was just like a hand held and it worked fine. Since the ground plane for the com is only made of strips of copper, I don't suppose that it will interfere too much with the ELT signal and I really don't see why the antenna would matter as the power in the plane should be off if I am going to crash. I also found out something else very interesting on the AmeriKing web site. Experimentals "technically" don't require an ELT at all. I was always told that if it had more than one seat, it had to have one, but their site states that experimentals are not required to have one. Don't start flaming on that please, I have one and am installing it and don t suggest that anyone do without one. I am just passing on the information. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:55:02 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Air Filter To: "Corvaircraft" , "KR Net" Message-ID: <00ac01c46ae0$4afc8c20$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have had several people ask how I will introduce carb heat. I am still in the designing stage of how I will build a box around the air filter. I will take carb heat from the exhaust pipe by way of a muff. Ellison recommends this design and has drawings to assist building one. I am just trying to figure out how to do it without modifying my bottom cowl again. Here is a link to the Ellison recommended designs. I may be originally from Georgia and just a good ole country boy, but I have never and never will fly without carb heat. I should have stated this in my first post. Take a look at these drawings from Ellison: http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/manual/appendixd.htm#1 Thanks for your concerns guys. :-) Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:18:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> Gathering camping?? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040716031835.48540.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks. All I need is a flat piece of ground and I'm good. Ray -- larry flesner wrote: > > > Gathering campers, > > I checked with the airport manager today to varify > that he said > putting up a tent would be o.k. I told him I had > four or five > attendees that wanted to camp and he said he > wouldn't have > a problem with that so bring it on. > > The "tent" area is maybe 300 yards from the terminal > and just > past the area where the motorhomes will park. There > is a > pavillion with picnic tables, two fire pits on metal > pipes, and > is located next to a small lake. It is an area that > is rather off > by itself so you shouldn't be bothered by people > driving by. > I believe there is a small gravel road that runs > right past the > site but will have no traffic as it is strictly a > maintenance road. > > If I get any more info I'll pass it along. > > Larry Flesner - 2004 Gathering host - > www.krgathering.org > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! 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