From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 35 Date: 4/18/2004 9:00:12 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: SNF Pics (Dennis Mingear) 2. Sport Pilot (rhartwig11@juno.com) 3. Dynel (rhartwig11@juno.com) 4. December 1978 (Pat Driscoll) 5. dynel (Harold Woods) 6. Australian KR-2SS (Mark Jones) 7. Re: Sport Pilot (GoFlySlow2@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> SNF Pics To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040419005346.76640.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii He didn't leave much off the panel did he? Denny ... Dean Cooper wrote: Netters, We had 4 KR's show up at SNF this year. I took pics of the 3 that I saw (I heard there was a 4th, but, it left before I could see it) and posted them here: http://www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/2004_SunNFun1.html Steve Jones' tri-gear was being photographed for Sport Aviation. It would be great if we could get the visibility on our plane! As Brian mentioned earlier, Dinner Friday night was great. Thanks to Virg for hosting. This trip has gotten me motivated and looking forward to the gathering in Mt. Vernon. Mark L / Dana O - Brian and I looked for you at Margaritaville last night with no luck... Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:57:23 -0500 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> Sport Pilot To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040418.195724.2856.0.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck, I will admit that I have not downloaded and read all 2704 comments on the FAA site, but as suggested I have re-read the proposed rule. Your argument pointing out problems with "Sport Pilot" is well stated, but you don't mention the time and money it would take to initiate your alternatives. There are many of us who would like to be able to take our wives/friend to a fly-in breakfast a couple of times a month--and maybe spend a nice quiet Saturday morning visiting small airports around the state. There are a lot of people who: --Do not have the $5000+ dollars (OK--I haven't priced it lately.) to get a Private Ticket. --Cannot take a passenger in their ultralight. --Have medical conditions which make them ineligible for medical certification, but have nothing to do with safety in a "Sport Aircraft". Dick Hartwig ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:08:08 -0500 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> Dynel To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040418.200809.2856.1.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steve, I had one of the first sets of plans for the KR-2 and ordered the Dynel. It was very easy to work with and formed well to compound curves. When used on the bias (45%angle) it would conform to a tighter corner than fiberglass. It did fuzz up when the epoxy was applied, but I think it did sand out OK. The big problem with it is weight--it absorbs a lot of epoxy--much more than does fiberglass. I do not know how a dynel/ epoxy structure compares in strength to fiberglass/epoxy, but I will guar-awn-tee the dynel structure will be heavier. Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:40:10 -0500 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: KR> December 1978 To: "KR Mailing list" Message-ID: <000801c425af$412eb0e0$cb8dd440@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" While I was cleaning out a junk room in the basement, I came across a Dec. 78 Sport Aviation. There was a few comments on Ken Rand and N4KR when he competeted in the "Towers Baker Falck 500". Ken came in fourth in the speed run at 156.49 MPH, the same speed registered by Ken Swain, in a VariEze with an engine described as "slightly more powerful", than a Cont. O-200. There is also a reference and picture of a KR1 built by, Harry Warmington, of South Africa and another KR1 built by Don Dole (N-31227). Don's N number is now on a Luscombe. It seems that at one time the Little bird got some respect. Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:11:36 -0400 From: "Harold Woods" Subject: KR> dynel To: Message-ID: <003e01c425b3$a4c69d30$0501a8c0@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ther are several reasons why dynel is no longer used to cover composite aircraft. 1) It is not as strong as you are lead to believe.One layer of boat cloth(6 oz) is far stronger than 1 layer of dynel. You can tear a layer of finished dynel apart with you hands but you could not do the same with glass. Seeing is believing. 2)Dynel looks thin but when you apply the epoxy, it suddenly fuzes out like the hair on a scare cats back, thus requiring much more epoxy to cover it. This adds unneaded weight. 3)Dynel has a very slippery property. Try sanding the wing of a plane done in dynel and you will curse it. However if you want to slide down the asphalt on your belly after the geer let go then be sure that you put a layer on the bottom of you "boat" After trying it out I gave away enough dynel to do 2 KRs. Use glass. Harold Woods Orillia,ON.Can. haroldwoods@rogers.com. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:07:22 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Australian KR-2SS To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <003101c425bb$6fb71cc0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gentlemen, I have added a new page on my web site for Australian Garry Morgan's beautiful KR-2SS. It has a 27 foot wing span and is stretched longer than a stock 2S. Check it out at the following link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/garrymorgan.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:20:36 EDT From: GoFlySlow2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Sport Pilot To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1c5.17489ac5.2db49f84@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 4/18/04 5:59:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rhartwig11@juno.com writes: > Chuck, > I will admit that I have not downloaded and read all 2704 comments on > the FAA site, but as suggested I have re-read the proposed rule. Your > argument pointing out problems with "Sport Pilot" is well stated, but > you don't mention the time and money it would take to initiate your > alternatives. There are many of us who would like to be able to take > our wives/friend to a fly-in breakfast a couple of times a month--and > maybe spend a nice quiet Saturday morning visiting small airports around the > state. There are a lot of people who: --Do not have the $5000+ dollars > (OK--I haven't priced it lately.) to get a Private Ticket. --Cannot > take a passenger in their ultralight. --Have medical conditions which > make them ineligible for medical certification, but have nothing to > do with safety in a "Sport Aircraft". Dick Hartwig > *************************************8 Dick, Initiation of alternatives..... There is already an alternative for the pilot without medical to be able to fly powered aircraft. And, those aircraft capabilities and Private pilot privilages are far greater than that of proposed Sport Pilot. In fact, that Private Pilot Certificate is internationally recognized and accepted by the ICOA......unlike Recreational Pilot or the proposed Sport Pilot. It is not uncommon for these pilots and aircraft to fly coast to coast and even around the world. Unlike Sport Pilot, these FAA certificated Private Pilots may fly at night, above 10,000 ft.and into any airspace. They do not have speed limitations nor weight limitations. The training hours required for a new student is only 10 as opposed to 20 for Sport and 30 for Rec. Pilot. AND, if already a Private Pilot ASEL, the minimum transition hours is only 3. AND is applicable to a Bianual Flight review which would be needed for anyway for a Private Pilot ASEL to operate under Sport Pilot ......as well as a specific Make and Model endorsement. Since this is the KR message boards, it is unfortunate, but the KR does not fit into the Sort Pilot category. It is too fast. The stall speed is too high. And retracting gear or an inflight adjustable prop is out of the question. Fortunately, with a Private Pilot Glider Certificate, there are none of those limitations. And, to obtain that certificate, one never need to get into an enginlesss aircraft if you don't want to. In fact, overall, the training would cost much less in a motorglider than a "standard" enginless glider. This Alternate is the Least expensive of ALL alternatives due to the decreased minimum requirements and gives the greatest privileges. Here is an example of a training site located in high density Los Angeles area. Training could include flight through class D, C, and B as well as forays into Class A at the student discretion. The costs are located at this web site also. Considering that in some areas, like Southern California, Ultralight training is $90/hr, I'd consider this a bargin. http://www.lasoaring.com/pages/2/index.htm. As for other means that the FAA has to implement a "No-medical", They could simply use the decreasing privileges technique and apply to it to Rec. Pilot. That is, Rec. Pilot WITH medical may fly into "congested" and controlled airspace, Rec pilot without medical may only fly in E and G and not over congested areas. Chuck ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 35 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================