From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 57 Date: 5/4/2004 4:03:36 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: RV grin---off at a tangent (Dene Collett (SA)) 2. sherwin williams paint (lee van dyke) 3. Re: Co-Pilot Passing (RICHARD G ALPS) 4. RE: Bob Sauer Photos (Mark Jones) 5. VW Engine on eBay (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 6. rebuilding of various things (Steve and Lori McGee) 7. Re: RE: Bob Sauer Photos (RICHARD G ALPS) 8. Nose over (Martindale Family) 9. flight report (larry flesner) 10. Re: flight report (larry flesner) 11. RE: flight report (Stephen Jacobs) 12. RE: Nose over (Stephen Jacobs) 13. Elevator authority (Colin & Bev Rainey) 14. Re: RE: Bob Sauer Photos (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 15. Re: flight report (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 16. Re: Elevator authority (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 17. Re: sherwin williams paint (Louis Staalberg) 18. Re: KR2S Specs - thanks (Cellcool) 19. Re: RV grin---off at a tangent (Brian Kraut) 20. RE: RV grin---off at a tangent (Wood, Sidney M.) 21. Re: sherwin williams paint (Ray Fuenzalida) 22. Re: KR2S Specs - thanks (Virgil Salisbury) 23. Re: flight report (Wayne Israelsen) 24. Re: KR2S Specs - thanks (larry severson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:03:51 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" Subject: Re: KR> RV grin---off at a tangent To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000301c4318d$13411a80$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To Brian Kraut I received an e-mail from you (at least that is where it said it came from) with the subject line stating "valuable information " or something like that. Did it come from you or is it somethimg I should get rid of with its attachment A.S.A.P. I tried to send you a message privately but it was returned, sorry to the rest of you guys for using bandwidth for this. Thanks Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:58 AM Subject: KR> RV grin > One thing I forgot on my Sun and Fun report. > > I took a demo ride in an RV-9 (no throwing rotten tomatoes at me > please, it > was a free ride that I couldn't pass up). It climbs like a homesick > angel and has great performance. It is roomy and is whole lot more > fun that any Wichita spam can, but I have to say that the RV grin is > not even in the same > league as the KR grin. The KR beats it hands down by an order of magnitude > in the fun factor. > > In all fairness to Dana and the thousands of other RV owners, it is a great > plane and has the KR beat in some areas, but fun flying certainly is > not one > of them. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:34:08 -0700 From: "lee van dyke" Subject: KR> sherwin williams paint To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <015701c43191$0c3a9000$8101a8c0@robb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Netters, I am now to the point that I need to buy some paint for my KR2. I heard that Sherwin Williams Paint is really good, and not too expensive. Does anybody know what product Name or numbers might be?? I am looking for a basic white. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Lee Van Dyke vandyke5.com lee@vandyke5.com N783JB ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 22:19:14 -0600 From: "RICHARD G ALPS" Subject: Re: KR> Co-Pilot Passing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Scott, I am sorry to hear about your father. May you feel the warmth of his spirit with you and in you when you do get your KR flying. Richard Alps ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cable To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: KR> Co-Pilot Passing Netters, It is with a Sad and Heavy heart that I inform you that my father passed away recently after a long hard battle with heart disease. Dad loved flying, and was looking forward to going up with me when I completed my KR. Because of his health, he was "confined" to flying large scale Radio Control aircraft. Dad was a volunteer with the PGA Golf Tour, a Kentucky Colonel, and an Education Officer for the Thurmond Lake Power Squadron. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:21:55 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> RE: Bob Sauer Photos To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <01b401c4318f$55961500$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Did any of you guys notice in the photo I posted tonight that Bob is actually working on his engine on the kitchen counter. It looks like his breakfast table is in the background. Bob, you have one very understanding wife or either you are inside where it is air conditioned because it is just too darn hot in Arizona to be in the garage. Here is the link again if you need to check out Bob in his kitchen: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/Sauer.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:39:08 -0700 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: KR> VW Engine on eBay To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00e101c43191$bda23640$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If anyone is interested in a VW2180 there is one listed on eBay. It is listed as a Magnum II, 82 HP and says it was supplied by Great Plains. The link is below. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2476783982&category=26437&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1 Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, Wa email: c.midkiff@verizon.net website: http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:43:20 -0500 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" Subject: KR> rebuilding of various things To: Message-ID: <002601c43192$53900470$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So far in my project I have designed 3 control arms, built 2 and scrapped 1. ( this was very frustrating and stressed me more than I realized). Built 1 seat and fitted, but should have waited for the control arm as now I have to refit the seat. No big problem but time consuming. I can still use the same seat. So far I am pleased with the brackets I am making for the controls. The elevator tube from the stick to the bracket behind the rear spar is done and I will change the web page probably tomorrow to show it. I have not been that busy on the plane the last few months due to family problems, but time now to re-hit it. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2SW Impostor lmcgee@maqs.net http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/plane.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 22:57:53 -0600 From: "RICHARD G ALPS" Subject: Re: KR> RE: Bob Sauer Photos To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wow! That really is Bob's kitchen! You guys better know that even though my wife loves me, you will never see THAT degree of understanding in my house (sorry, OUR house). Richard & Vicki Alps (Dedicated to KR) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones To: KR Net Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: KR> RE: Bob Sauer Photos Did any of you guys notice in the photo I posted tonight that Bob is actually working on his engine on the kitchen counter. It looks like his breakfast table is in the background. Bob, you have one very understanding wife or either you are inside where it is air conditioned because it is just too darn hot in Arizona to be in the garage. Here is the link again if you need to check out Bob in his kitchen: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/Sauer.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:59:06 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: KR> Nose over To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ea01c431d3$5b4c3d00$75a0fea9@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve Another possibility is drag on the undercarriage. I couldn't believe the difference in trim required once my wheel spats were on. Also the longer the legs the greater the effect. John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 07:40:47 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> flight report To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040504074047.00807420@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Larry, >What is your cruise speed? >Ryan +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 156 smph measured with GPS in an eight direction run. I don't have wheel pants installed yet and have 600X6 mains and 30 inch Diehl gear legs, a taller canopy, 24"stretch, etc. so that's about what I expected. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 07:57:58 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> flight report To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040504075758.00810320@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And we sure do appreciate the flight testing. It's nice >to have a NetHead behind the stick who's willing to answer the tough >questions for us. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There's nothing really that hard about flying a KR. I'm just giving that impression to project an image. I hope I don't forget to pick up the leather cap and white scarf at the cleaners this morning. I can't let the fellows at the airport see me in just a baseball cap ! :-)) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:49:32 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> flight report To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c431e7$06a29060$0e64a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9000 and 90 smph indicated I was still showing a solid 500 fpm climb rate .............................................. 90 INDICATED at 9,000'- Isssssshh. Not sure what the OAT is like this time of the year, but that's talking Bud. That's better than a C150 flat out S&L at SL - and the KR does it in a 500 fpm climb with less than 50% power available (at 9 grand). ............................................. I want to start flying with weight to simulate a passenger this week. ............................................. It is going to be interesting Larry - just be careful. As suggested by John (from Oz) - the wheels may be contributing to the requirement for some up trim in the cruise. I guess you will get around to some wheel spats (pants) in time - will be interesting to see if this makes a perceptible difference. Pity about the Tripe, but I know what you are saying. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:49:32 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Nose over To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000101c431e7$0cbdd3b0$0e64a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Another possibility is drag on the undercarriage. .............................................. Roger that John - u/c drag - relatively large wheels on a meaningful moment arm - makes sense. Wonder if we can talk him into rigging something that will dump the legs in flight?. Maybe point out the tremendous value this info will have for all the others!!! I am still surprised - this airplane has a healthy positive incidence (3.5) even considering the 3 degs washout (that only really starts after the stub wing). The airplane still wants a wee bit of up trim in the cruise and MORE up trim when the power component is removed. The u/c drag is very real, but it is a constant (for a given speed) and will not have changed (in fact, it will be reducing with the sq of any speed reduction). Maybe the prop wash over the elevator (she is relatively short coupled)? Given the performance and general handling, Larry has a very nice airplane. When I think about it - 156mph dinkum GS (8 way GPS). That is something better than 140 KTAS - pretty good for an O-200 powered bird with rigid legs. It can only get better from here on - spats, fairings etc - the sort of things homebuilders tend to do. Problem is, he is having so much fun right now that could not be bothered. I have heard it said that many home builders are disappointed when they get the bird flying, but will never admit it. When I saw that Larry F was considering selling the delightful airborne milk stool - I knew for sure that he was totally delighted with his KR. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:48:01 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Elevator authority To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004401c431ef$2eafbb70$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters It has been my experience with the aircraft I have flown that have a traditional empennage, or non-T tail aircraft that they tend to be more sensitive to power changes due to the combined effect of prop wash & relative wind over the elevator. The arm should not be that significant because the nose drop is caused by a decreasing elevator authority which will been seen in all. The tail boom for typical C152 is quite a bit longer than the KR yet it experiences the same nose drop, if no changes are made. Note for the 152 it has 2 trim tabs to get trim authority, where the 172 only has one. This may explain why experience in these aircraft lead one to believe that all aircraft can be trimmed for all speeds. Once the aircraft begins to change attitude, the arm of that elevator becomes VERY significant , slower speeds requiring much larger inputs by comparison to faster speeds given the same plane each time. Since our little planes are very sensitive to occupants, it is not surprising that we have a very forward CG during solo flights, but this will change dramatically when 2 are aboard. Larry, I would recommend what I plan to do, which is add weight next to you, in 50 pound increments and note the performance changes. You should find several things happen, based on rules of aerodynamics: On a fwd CG, the plane should: 1) Feel stable, trim easier 2) Have slightly lower cruise speed 3) Have slightly higher stall speeds, and takeoff/landing speeds 4) Can have difficulty lifting the nose if it gets too slow On a rear CG it should: 1) Feel very active, not want to trim stay trimmed, unstable 2) Have higher cruise speed at the same power settings 3) Have lower takeoff/landing, and stall speeds 4) Will tend for the nose to rise on its own, and may make it difficult to correct a stall 2 things are typically working at all times to combine for what actually is happening at any one time, and yes this is an over simplification AGAIN. One is the CG and its placement, and the other is the Center of Pressure, or Lift. These 2 forces have the most dramatic effect on what the plane does in any given configuration or setting. Once loaded the CG does not "move". However the CP DOES move depending on wing planform and angle of attack. So as speed changes in level flight and the angle of attack changes to maintain that attitude, the CP moves in response. If the spread between the CG & CP gets greater the aircraft becomes more stable, all other things equal, if the CP moves to the CG, or gets closer, as is typical in slow flight, it gets less stable. The combination of the slow speed effecting the elevator authority, and the instability makes for the rapid reaction of any short coupled aircraft. The Rockwell Commander single engine reacts the same way. I bet Larry will find as passenger weight is slowly added that the dramatic nose down will start to occur less at the same speeds, and the plane will fly faster, but with alittle more attention. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:03:55 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> RE: Bob Sauer Photos To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <110.317c6aa6.2dc926fb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 5/4/2004 12:21:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, flykr2s@wi.rr.com writes: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/Sauer.html > i love it! nothin like cookin up a corvair in the kitchen,,n212kr ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:09:47 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> flight report To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <81.afd68a2.2dc9285b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" for reference, i flew to 12,000 ft, lite on fuel & still was gettin 450-500 ft per min climb, got worried about brain o2 after a while&decended,,steve jones n212kr i'll have to try the trimmed level @ cruise & pull the power & see the results ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:19:56 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Elevator authority To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" i noticed change as you described when flying full or 1/4 fuel. i carry 30 gal ,from the main spar to the rear spar tank config. when light on fuel, it takes a little nose up trim,with full fuel, it takes a little nose down trim lite on fuel,it's more stable than full fuel,that seems to be kinda like balancing on a ball. :-) steve jones n212kr ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:53:57 -0700 From: "Louis Staalberg" Subject: Re: KR> sherwin williams paint To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c43200$c5f038a0$6401a8c0@CenterDesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lee Van Dyke wrote: <..am now to the point that I need to buy some paint for Subject: Re: KR> KR2S Specs - thanks To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000301c43205$80ea4ac0$0500a8c0@john> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry, The glider boys have found that if you matt your wing the drag is appreciably less, hence before a contest you see all these fellows flatting there wings with water paper. No one has explained this to me satisfactorily, has anyone heard a plausible explanation Cheers John >> polished to a mirror finish. Given the same engine and fuel > flow, they got an extra 30 knots. If you want speed, think glass > smooth paint, > > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:41:03 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Re: KR> RV grin---off at a tangent To: KRnet Message-ID: <200405041441.AA5767326@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was not from me. Apparently, someone with a lot of KRlisters in their address book got a virus and now the email addresses are being spoofed or the addresses were harvested off of the archives. I got an email that said it was from Mark Langford's old email address that he has not used in a year and a half two days ago. Fair warning, just because an email says it is from someone on this list doesn't mean it is safe or that it really came from that person. Send the person an email to what you know is their correct address and see if they really sent you an attachment before you go and open it. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" <> Reply-To: KRnet Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:03:51 +0200 >To Brian Kraut >I received an e-mail from you (at least that is where it said it came >from) with the subject line stating "valuable information " or >something like that. Did it come from you or is it somethimg I should >get rid of with its attachment A.S.A.P. I tried to send you a message >privately but it was returned, sorry to the rest of you guys for using >bandwidth for this. Thanks >Dene Collett >KR2S-RT builder >Port Elizabeth >South Africa >mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net >P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Kraut" >To: "KRnet" >Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:58 AM >Subject: KR> RV grin > > >> One thing I forgot on my Sun and Fun report. >> >> I took a demo ride in an RV-9 (no throwing rotten tomatoes at me >> please, >it >> was a free ride that I couldn't pass up). It climbs like a homesick >> angel and has great performance. It is roomy and is whole lot more >> fun that any Wichita spam can, but I have to say that the RV grin is >> not even in the >same >> league as the KR grin. The KR beats it hands down by an order of >magnitude >> in the fun factor. >> >> In all fairness to Dana and the thousands of other RV owners, it is a >great >> plane and has the KR beat in some areas, but fun flying certainly is >> not >one >> of them. >> >> Brian Kraut >> Engineering Alternatives, Inc. >> www.engalt.com >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:19:43 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> RV grin---off at a tangent To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The "SASSER" virus is running rampant now. My IT guy says it tries to harvest e-mail addresses then randomly sends parts of old e-mails to random picks from your address list with a copy of itself buried in an attachment. Norton has a SASSER blocker, but if you don't have the upgrade as of two days ago you may have lots of e-mail related problems. Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD Sidney.wood@titan.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+smwood=titan.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+smwood=titan.com@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 2:41 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> RV grin---off at a tangent I was not from me. Apparently, someone with a lot of KRlisters in their address book got a virus and now the email addresses are being spoofed or the addresses were harvested off of the archives. I got an email that said it was from Mark Langford's old email address that he has not used in a year and a half two days ago. Fair warning, just because an email says it is from someone on this list doesn't mean it is safe or that it really came from that person. Send the person an email to what you know is their correct address and see if they really sent you an attachment before you go and open it. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" <> Reply-To: KRnet Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:03:51 +0200 >To Brian Kraut >I received an e-mail from you (at least that is where it said it came >from) with the subject line stating "valuable information " or >something like that. Did it come from you or is it somethimg I should >get rid of with its attachment A.S.A.P. I tried to send you a message >privately but it was returned, sorry to the rest of you guys for using >bandwidth for this. Thanks >Dene Collett >KR2S-RT builder >Port Elizabeth >South Africa >mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net >P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Kraut" >To: "KRnet" >Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:58 AM >Subject: KR> RV grin > > >> One thing I forgot on my Sun and Fun report. >> >> I took a demo ride in an RV-9 (no throwing rotten tomatoes at me >> please, >it >> was a free ride that I couldn't pass up). It climbs like a homesick >> angel and has great performance. It is roomy and is whole lot more >> fun that any Wichita spam can, but I have to say that the RV grin is >> not even in the >same >> league as the KR grin. The KR beats it hands down by an order of >magnitude >> in the fun factor. >> >> In all fairness to Dana and the thousands of other RV owners, it is a >great >> plane and has the KR beat in some areas, but fun flying certainly is >> not >one >> of them. >> >> Brian Kraut >> Engineering Alternatives, Inc. >> www.engalt.com >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> sherwin williams paint To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040504202448.13611.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good to know. I had also decided (since our company has tenants in the boat building business) that I would tap the maritime expertise available to me. I can't see why maritime paint wouldn't be equally good as automotive or aviation paint. Ray Louis Staalberg wrote: Lee Van Dyke wrote: <..am now to the point that I need to buy some paint for Having seen many fiberglass boats on Arizona Lakes that are there 24/7 in 110 degr F. I figured that what was good for a fiberglass boat might also might be good for the KR I have sofar only painted the tail feathers and the paint I used is: Brightside, Polyurethane "Premium single part" made by Interlux. Information: 908-686-1300 or write 2270 Morris Ave., Union NJ. 07083. It has UV protection in it also. Louis. Payson, Arizona N9FL@cbiwireless.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.ht --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:14:06 -0400 From: Virgil Salisbury Subject: Re: KR> KR2S Specs - thanks To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040504.171617.2476.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Use 400/600 wet, chordwise strokes. Miniture wing fences, Virg On Tue, 4 May 2004 18:57:26 +0200 "Cellcool" writes: > Larry, The glider boys have found that if you matt your wing the drag > is > appreciably less, hence before a contest you see all these fellows > flatting > there wings with water paper. > No one has explained this to me satisfactorily, has anyone heard a > plausible explanation > Cheers > John > > > >> > polished to a mirror finish. Given the same engine and fuel > > flow, they got an extra 30 knots. If you want speed, think glass > smooth > > paint, > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:33:16 -0700 From: "Wayne Israelsen" Subject: Re: KR> flight report To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013001c43227$cbec7080$6801a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry Don't let them talk you into testing your crash restraint!!!!!;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner To: KRnet Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:51 PM Subject: KR> flight report > > > Steve and Netters, > > I did ( or tried to do) the flight test today that Steve requested. > That > test was the glide speed at the cruise trim setting. I must confess, > I weenied out. > > I had the KR set up in cruise and trimmed out. I brought the power > back to idle. I assumed the glide speed would be maybe in the 120 mph > range (I didn't have a clue) so I held the nose up to bleed the speed > off a bit. At about 120 smph indicated I slowly released the stick > and let it center to the air loads. The nose dropped to a rather > steep angle and as the airspeed went through 145 indicated I took the > stick and came out of the dive. > > Soooo, the speed is somewhere above 145 smph indicated. There was no > indication at 145mph that the nose was going to come back up. I'll > have to try it again and not slow it down from cruise so maybe the > nose won't drop so far. I swear the view through the windshield > looked just like the view through the windshield of a Super Decathalon > doing a spin without the rotation! What's your best guess on what the > speed might be if I try it again or what would a good "ballpark" > figure be? > > How many more test do you have in mind? The local clothing store is > having a sale on mens "briefs". I'm thinking a six pack for the > baggage compartment might be in order. :-)) > > I'm still waiting for smooth air to finish my climb test and I have > yet to carry any weight to simulate a passanger. I need to quit > having so much fun and get some testing done. > > 42.7 HOURS AND LOVIN' IT !!! > > Larry Flesner > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 16:02:42 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> KR2S Specs - thanks To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040504155737.00bb2c90@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:57 PM 5/4/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Larry, The glider boys have found that if you matt your wing the drag >is appreciably less, hence before a contest you see all these fellows >flatting there wings with water paper. No one has explained this to me >satisfactorily, has anyone heard a plausible explanation Slow is not fast. To go slow, the best propeller is a long 1 bladed one, with a counter weight on the other side, turning at a slow rate. Parasite drag is not a significant factor at slow speeds, but air flow separation is because it can reduce lift. The matted wet paper creates the effect of mini vortex generators that help reduce the lift destroying air flow separation. Gliders GO SLOW! You, on the other hand want to go fast! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 57 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================