From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 57 Date: 8/2/2004 8:59:48 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing (Wolfgang Decker) 2. Re: EAA, flybys, Gathering (Timothy Bellville) 3. More X-45 News (Scott Cable) 4. Re: Oshkosh Attendance (Ron Eason) 5. Re: EAA, flybys, Gathering (James R Freeman) 6. Re: EAA, flybys, Gathering (Ron Eason) 7. Fw: URGENT PLEASE READ (Karl) 8. Re: Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing (robert glidden) 9. Re: Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing (Phillip Matheson) 10. RE: Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing (Wolfgang Decker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:45:16 -0400 From: "Wolfgang Decker" Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Folks, I just got back from Oshkosh, it's 12:30 in the morning. I was extremely disappointed to miss the only KR-2 that was there. I was really hoping to get some input before I finally start on my project. I know, I will get a hundred responses telling me I should come to the gathering. I don't know about you guys, but my vacation days are rather limited, and I have a family that appreciates it if I spend them with them. I go to Oshkosh to get the maxiumum impression on all the planes that are out there, and to pick up on other building techniques as well. I also go because I usually go with friends from the area, and they are not very interested in going to a type restricted meeting. My friends however were asking me about the apparent absence of KR planes. The only one we saw was the KR-1 on display in the FAA building. Looking at the many complains that are on the net about not enough poeple picking up the KR plans I really wonder what you are asking for. I don't think that you can expect a larger crowd to appreciate this plane, if you show it at "KR-only" gatherings. I don't know about the history with KR's and the EAA, I joined in 1996, and frankly, if I had not picked up last the last edition of Kitplanes Magazine that featured all the kit and plans build aircraft, i wouldn't even know about the existence of the KR. The KR-2 is a heck of a deal, and I bet a lot more enthusiasts would pick up the plans for it. I looked at many kits out there, but there is hardly anything below $ 20K to start with, and some can build 2 KR-2's with that money. I just had to vent this out. Go ahead, flame me, I am off to my bed now anyway. Wolfgang -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of robert glidden Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:45 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance Mark Just got home from osh today about 3:30.Was great finally meeting you and Mark L. and Rich.Was super finally getting to set in a KR especially while it was ruuuuuuuning.Sorry my key was "missing out." Just kidding the project looks great looking forward to seeing everyone at the gathering.................Bob Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > Ed, > By golly it is only 55 days. I bet Stephen didn't know that. :-) > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corporation > Ph: 262-781-5310 > Fax:262-781-4130 > E-mail: mjones@muellersales.com > Web: www.muellersales.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com [mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com] > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:47 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > I echo what Jim says about KR attendance at OSH. I think it's due to > a number of factors rather than just a single one, such as Herb's > accident. As far as the accident, I think I remember that the weather > was pretty hot that day and there was quite a long line of airplanes > and a long wait for guys to get in the air. I remember seeing Herb > and a couple others standing > outside next to their planes on the taxi way. So, it's possible that > he was > not feeling very well at the time. > > Also, it's been said that many KR builders are pretty hard working > individuals and it may be difficult for some to take off work to > attend. Like the Pietenpol clan and other type fly-ins, the KR group > really enjoy their own gathering - many, even more than Oshkosh. It's > often a matter of > choice. > > Let's all hope for good weather. This Gathering at Mt. Vernon should > be a fun one, for sure. Again, how many days left, Mark? :o) > > Ed Janssen > mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Faughn" > To: "'KRnet'" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:50 AM > Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > > This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the > > conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR > > only flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man > > formation to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the > > schedule. I did a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of > > one of the mornings general flybys we were told we could fly which > > really did make it a last minute thing. Whether this did or didn't > > have anything to do with Herb, we will never know. However, I still > > carry this with me because I'm also the one who set everything up > > and witnessed the crash. I can say that it did put a bad taste in > > everyone's mouth and none of us went back until 97 when I called a > > number of the pilots and said let's put it behind us and go again. > > It was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows we did > > the same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year too. Quite > > frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a matter of > > time off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority for > > the KR Gathering. > > > > Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion for > > the KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe > > that people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, > > what are you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask > > questions of? If you go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of > > a great event and you can talk to "like minded people." These are > > people who love aviation, want a responsive airplane and love the > > idea of being able to own an affordable aircraft. > > > > Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth > > that they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had > > to rush around to deliver something that wasn't what we were > > promised. Do we carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think > > other issues are more prominent today for KR people as outlined > > above. Will I go back? If I'm still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be > > there and try to organize the 35th anniversary. > > > > See you at the Gathering. > > > > Jim Faughn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net > > [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of > > Dan Heath > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:55 AM > > To: krnet@mylist.net > > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > > RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every > > Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the > > KR actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the > > issues? > > > > I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, > > but the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I > > flew back home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for > > the 20th anniversary. There was a fly by planned and the KRs were > > not told untill the last minute that they were to go. They were > > being squeezed in, between all the big money planes. > > > > We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the > > person who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart > > attack during the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to > > get it to where they had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not > > fly or not. Maybe all the extra induced stress because the EAA > > forgot where there roots are, brought it on, who knows. > > > > The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA was > > too busy showing off the big money planes, to allow the KR to > > participate in an organized fly by as was planned by the KR people. > > > > This in NOT an excuse, and, on my life's list of things to do, is > > still to fly my own plane to Oshkosh. I will fly this plane to > > Oshkosh and every other place that I can. > > > > Marty and Dan Diehl were there along with a lot of the other old > > timers. I don't know how many KRs were there, but I do know that > > they all were very dissappointed in the EAA and that has stuck with > > me for over 10 years and until EAA does something to show that they > > remember where they came from, it will never go away. > > > > If you want to see KRs come to the Gathering. As many as can get > > there, get there. That should tell you something. > > > > > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > > and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. > > Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at > > http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - > > Columbia, SC > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:20:20 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004901c4788b$14b74980$3e2c4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Come on guys, lets stick to KR's,and not whos running for the whitehouse,If I want that I'll turn on Fox news.The last thing we need here is a feud over those john,john idiots and "W". On that note I would like to report that I have moved my bird to the airport and if all goes well I'll be ready to fly to the Gathering. And I hope to do my part next year at Airventure . Tim Bellville, Cpl., OANG KR2 N7038V ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rupert" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 11:56 PM Subject: RE: KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering > Do I get to black out my numbers and drop a bag full of dog do-do? > Doug Rupert > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:34 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering > > If you want attention for your KR, come fly over Crawford, TX and > you'll get > > it. Try a low pass at treetop height, flat out at 200 MPH so you can > see the earphones in the Secret Service guys' ears. You will have > instant, national recognition for your KR!!!!!!!! Oscar Zuniga > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 05:48:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: KR> More X-45 News To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040802124809.18847.qmail@web53007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Netters; I know it's not Friday, but yesterday the X-45 made aviation history: Today (1 August), the X-45 program made some history: both AV1 and AV2 were airborne together. During the roughly 40 minutes both jets were flying, one operator commanded the vehicles; a common mission plan was used for both vehicles; and the coordinated flight functionality was successfully utilized. Nobody has ever done this before. Watch for the Aviation Week cover! Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:58:00 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011e01c478b1$de7c7760$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I attended and it was a great event. For those who did not go because of the reason below, you missed one of the best events ever. Don't let you pride get in the way of making a good decision. You can pickup good buys on equipment new and used. Allot of you have questions about building and this is where you can get real good advice. The forums are an example. Just my observation, KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:46 AM Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > As we have been telling you all along, if you want to see KRs, you > have to come to the gathering. The KR got shunned by the EAA at it's > 20th anniversary and I do believe that a lot of the older guy who > tried to participate that year remember it and really don't want to go > back. > > Come to the gathering and you will see KRs. > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the > time for building has long since expired." > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. > Heath - Columbia, SC > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: KRnet > Date: 07/29/04 18:57:13 > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > Hi, I just have to throw this out there. I was just shy of making > it to the meeting Tues., very disappointed since I missed it last > year also, but > mostly disappointed in the poor, or should I say no attendance of any > aircraft AGAIN, I will make an effort however to be in Illinois > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:35:14 -0400 From: James R Freeman Subject: Re: KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering To: KRnet Message-ID: <027301c478b7$396bf060$3b2674cc@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Tim: You are correct. To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but also treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 We all want photos and the final W&B on Your KR. Semper Fi Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: Re: KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering > Come on guys, lets stick to KR's,and not whos running for the whitehouse,If > I want that I'll turn on Fox news.The last thing we need here is a > feud over > those john,john idiots and "W". > On that note I would like to report that I have moved my bird to the airport > and if all goes well I'll be ready to fly to the Gathering. And I hope > to do my part next year at Airventure . Tim Bellville, Cpl., OANG > KR2 N7038V > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Rupert" > To: "'KRnet'" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 11:56 PM > Subject: RE: KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering > > > > Do I get to black out my numbers and drop a bag full of dog do-do? > > Doug Rupert > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf > > Of Oscar Zuniga > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:34 PM > > To: krnet@mylist.net > > Subject: KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering > > > > If you want attention for your KR, come fly over Crawford, TX and > > you'll > get > > > > it. Try a low pass at treetop height, flat out at 200 MPH so you > > can see > > the earphones in the Secret Service guys' ears. You will have > > instant, national recognition for your KR!!!!!!!! Oscar Zuniga > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:39:17 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <019801c478b7$a2d67b10$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I attended Oshkosh, and went to the chapter officer meeting, and according to what I heard Tom P say, the EAA is changing direction. General Aviation population is declining.. The Sport Plane class of planes are the future of building the next generation of General Aviation people and our political base. I heard him say it is vitally important to encourage home building and light plane innovation because of the out of control cost of certified planes and conventional economics of the past 50 years. I also believe if future general aviation is to survive we must inspire the next generation with affordable aircraft and skills to keep it flying. How better to do that Oshkosh? KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering > Folks, don't expect EAA to be able to accommodate type clubs or group > fly-bys at Oshkosh anymore. They've gotten way beyond that point > unless (like the Bonanza guys or the warbirds) it's extra impressive. > A milestone > anniversary for a design/type would be hard to get them to approve > (unless you're a mass fly-by of RV's). It's far better, and more > rewarding, to have > type gatherings such as the KR Gathering at a more friendly venue > among friends and aficionados of the type. > > The Pietenpol is celebrating its 75th anniversary this year, and had > an overwhelming turnout at the Brodhead gathering (the "KR Gathering" > of the Pietenpol world). But can you imagine what would happen if the > Piet guys staged a fly-by at Oshkosh? At 60-65 MPH, it would take > forever to get them > all together, and people would nod off to sleep as they droned by. > Don't get me wrong; I'm a Piet owner myself, but the big shows are > just not interested in little stick airplanes anymore. If it costs > under $35K or so, > has no international marketing or presence, isn't sold in a > blister-pack kit > with a complete instructional video and connect-the-dots construction > manual, it won't get to first base. > > If you want attention for your KR, come fly over Crawford, TX and > you'll get > it. Try a low pass at treetop height, flat out at 200 MPH so you can > see the earphones in the Secret Service guys' ears. You will have > instant, national recognition for your KR!!!!!!!! > > do not archive > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:44:24 +1200 From: "Karl" Subject: KR> Fw: URGENT PLEASE READ To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01c478c9$20a28d20$LocalHost@doreenba> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR. > > If you receive an email titled: "It Takes Guts to Say > Jesus" > DO NOT OPEN IT. 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Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/04 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:48:03 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005201c478da$63c86e60$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Did you get there in time for Mark Langfords forum on KR's?I got a lot of questions answered staying around after the forum and taking with some of the guys.As for the lack of KR aircraft,it would have been nice to see a few.The next best thing was to drive to Mark Jones house up the road and see his.Even got to set in it while it was running,love that corvair.Now the wife is a little ticked off,I told her atleast one night a week off from building on the house for KR work.You have to start gaining somewhere. Bob Glidden KR2S N181FW Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Decker" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing > Folks, > > I just got back from Oshkosh, it's 12:30 in the morning. I was > extremely disappointed to miss the only KR-2 that was there. I was > really hoping to get some input before I finally start on my project. > > I know, I will get a hundred responses telling me I should come to the > gathering. I don't know about you guys, but my vacation days are > rather limited, and I have a family that appreciates it if I spend > them with them. > I go to Oshkosh to get the maxiumum impression on all the planes that > are out there, and to pick up on other building techniques as well. I > also go because I usually go with friends from the area, and they are > not very interested in going to a type restricted meeting. My friends > however were asking me about the apparent absence of KR planes. The > only one we saw was the KR-1 on display in the FAA building. > > Looking at the many complains that are on the net about not enough > poeple picking up the KR plans I really wonder what you are asking > for. I don't think that you can expect a larger crowd to appreciate > this plane, if you show it at "KR-only" gatherings. I don't know about > the history with KR's and the EAA, I joined in 1996, and frankly, if I > had not picked up last the > last edition of Kitplanes Magazine that featured all the kit and plans build > aircraft, i wouldn't even know about the existence of the KR. The KR-2 > is a > heck of a deal, and I bet a lot more enthusiasts would pick up the > plans for > it. I looked at many kits out there, but there is hardly anything > below $ 20K to start with, and some can build 2 KR-2's with that > money. > > I just had to vent this out. Go ahead, flame me, I am off to my bed > now anyway. > > Wolfgang > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of robert glidden > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:45 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > Mark > Just got home from osh today about 3:30.Was great finally meeting you > and Mark L. and Rich.Was super finally getting to set in a KR > especially while it was ruuuuuuuning.Sorry my key was "missing out." > Just kidding the project > looks great looking forward to seeing everyone at the > gathering.................Bob Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "'KRnet'" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:58 AM > Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > > Ed, > > By golly it is only 55 days. I bet Stephen didn't know that. :-) > > > > Mark Jones > > Mueller Sales Corporation > > Ph: 262-781-5310 > > Fax:262-781-4130 > > E-mail: mjones@muellersales.com > > Web: www.muellersales.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com [mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com] > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:47 AM > > To: KRnet > > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > > I echo what Jim says about KR attendance at OSH. I think it's due > > to a number of factors rather than just a single one, such as Herb's accident. > > As far as the accident, I think I remember that the weather was > > pretty hot > > that day and there was quite a long line of airplanes and a long > > wait for > > guys to get in the air. I remember seeing Herb and a couple others > standing > > outside next to their planes on the taxi way. So, it's possible > > that he > was > > not feeling very well at the time. > > > > Also, it's been said that many KR builders are pretty hard working > > individuals and it may be difficult for some to take off work to > > attend. Like the Pietenpol clan and other type fly-ins, the KR group > > really enjoy > > their own gathering - many, even more than Oshkosh. It's often a > > matter > of > > choice. > > > > Let's all hope for good weather. This Gathering at Mt. Vernon > > should be a > > fun one, for sure. Again, how many days left, Mark? :o) > > > > Ed Janssen > > mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Faughn" > > To: "'KRnet'" > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:50 AM > > Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > > > > > This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the > > > conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR > > > only flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man formation > > > to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the schedule. > > > I did > > > a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of one of the mornings > > > general flybys we were told we could fly which really did make it > > > a last > > > minute thing. Whether this did or didn't have anything to do with Herb, > > > we will never know. However, I still carry this with me because > > > I'm also > > > the one who set everything up and witnessed the crash. I can say > > > that it > > > did put a bad taste in everyone's mouth and none of us went back > > > until 97 when I called a number of the pilots and said let's put > > > it behind us > > > and go again. It was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows > > > we did the same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year > > > too. Quite frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a > > > matter of > > > time off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority > > > for the > > > KR Gathering. > > > > > > Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion > > > for the > > > KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe > > > that people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, > > > what are you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask > > > questions of? If you > > > go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of a great event and > > > you can talk to "like minded people." These are people who love > > > aviation, want a responsive airplane and love the idea of being > > > able to own an affordable aircraft. > > > > > > Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth > > > that they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and > > > had to rush > > > around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do > > > we carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues > > > are more > > > prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? > > > If I'm > > > still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize > > > the 35th > > > anniversary. > > > > > > See you at the Gathering. > > > > > > Jim Faughn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net > > > [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of > > > Dan Heath > > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:55 AM > > > To: krnet@mylist.net > > > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > > > > RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every > > > Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was > > > the KR actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you > > > know the issues? > > > > > > I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of > > > Atlanta, but > > > the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew > > > back home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the > > > 20th anniversary. There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not > > > told untill the last minute that they were to go. They were being > > > squeezed in, between all the big money planes. > > > > > > We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the person > > > who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart attack during > > > the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to get it to > > > where they > > > had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not fly or not. Maybe > > > all the > > > extra induced stress because the EAA forgot where there roots are, > > > brought it on, who knows. > > > > > > The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA > > > was too > > > busy showing off the big money planes, to allow the KR to > > > participate in > > > an organized fly by as was planned by the KR people. > > > > > > This in NOT an excuse, and, on my life's list of things to do, is still > > > to fly my own plane to Oshkosh. I will fly this plane to Oshkosh > > > and every other place that I can. > > > > > > Marty and Dan Diehl were there along with a lot of the other old timers. > > > I don't know how many KRs were there, but I do know that they all > > > were very dissappointed in the EAA and that has stuck with me for > > > over 10 years and until EAA does something to show that they > > > remember where they > > > came from, it will never go away. > > > > > > If you want to see KRs come to the Gathering. As many as can get there, > > > get there. That should tell you something. > > > > > > > > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE > > > GATHERING, and > > > the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. > > > Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at > > > http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - > > > Columbia, SC > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > > KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at > > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > > KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at > > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:55:43 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004201c478e3$d7a8f4e0$e497fea9@ralf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wolfgang wrote: I was extremely disappointed to miss the only KR-2 that was there. I was really hoping to get some input before I finally start on my project. ---------------- Wolfgang I can really appreciate what you are saying. Before starting my KR ,I went to many flyin's in Australia trying to get info and see what I could build. I only got to see one KR, I wanted to build a Corby Starlet, but found my KR2 my chance. I think the KR should be given more publicity, This mean more airshows and open gatherings .I will be doing my best to do that when I get my KR flying, Including handing out KR pamphlets at the flyins I go to. I think I can make up some flyers to give basic info and web page contacts to anyone interested. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:51:29 -0400 From: "Wolfgang Decker" Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Robert Glidden wrote: >Did you get there in time for Mark Langfords forum on KR's?I got a lot >of questions answered staying around after the forum and taking with >some of the guys. Well, as I pointed out in my original mail, I only have limited amount of vacation time. I tried to set up a visit with a customer in the area to gain a day or two, but it didn't work out so I had to stick with the weekend. Therefore I missed the forum as well. All in all it was a great show at Oshkosh. I always love going there, it's like going to "Daddy's Toyland". Although this being the 5th time going it was the first time I attended several of the forum presentations, including Mr. William Wynne's on the Corvair. Very interesting, and I learned a lot. We had a nice group chat at his Zenith after his presentation. The Corvair definitely is one of the engines to look at. Well, now it's back to get the basement done so I really get started. Wolfgang ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 57 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================