From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 58 Date: 8/3/2004 8:59:48 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Oshkosh Attendance (Lee Van Dyke) 2. Re: Oshkosh Attendance (Lee Van Dyke) 3. Re: Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing (Peter Waijenberg) 4. KR Brakes (Timothy Bellville) 5. Re: KR Brakes (larry flesner) 6. Re: KR Brakes (Scott Cable) 7. Re: KR Brakes (James R Freeman) 8. KR humor (larry flesner) 9. Re: KR Brakes (Orma) 10. Re: KR Brakes (Timothy Bellville) 11. Re: KR Brakes (Timothy Bellville) 12. Re: KR Brakes (Timothy Bellville) 13. Re: KR Brakes (Mark Jones) 14. Re: KR Brakes (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:25:35 -0500 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <006f01c47911$ebd81b70$6501a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Update, my new flight gets in at 1:35, so if it is not a problem or an = inconvenience could i bumb a ride with y'all. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:37:58 -0500 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <016601c47913$adea9cf0$6501a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" sorry that was not suppose to go to the net lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Van Dyke" To: ; "KRnet" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > Update, my new flight gets in at 1:35, so if it is not a problem or > an = inconvenience could i bumb a ride with y'all. Lee Van Dyke > Mesa AZ > Lee@vandyke5.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Waijenberg Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040803075403.39626.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob Glidden wrote: Now the wife is a little ticked off,I told her atleast one night a week off from building on the house for KR work.You have to start gaining somewhere. Bob, I am also renovating my house and told my wife exactly the same thing. Guess who lost the argument? ME. But I just came back from three weeks leave and all I did was work on the house. Still got two doors to paint and then it is really KR time for me. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 05:20:43 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: KR> KR Brakes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <015001c4793b$2786e600$562c4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok Guys I was doing some Taxi tests yesterday with my KR2 and found two problems, first one is the engine idel, I couldn't get it to sit still on the runway at the lowest throttle setting so I need to look at that again. And the other problem is the one I need the most help on.,My brakes. Apparently I still have air in the lines that I can't seem to get out. Can anyone give me some advice on how to bleed piper master cyclinders with a remote resivore. Thanks Tim KR2 N7038V ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:28:18 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040803052818.00813100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Apparently I still have air in the lines that I can't seem to get out. >Can anyone give me some advice on how to bleed piper master cyclinders >with a remote resivore. Tim KR2 N7038V ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ What type of brakes do you have installed. Most brakes have a bleeder valve at the wheel. You need to "push" the fluid up from the bottom. An oil can with a hose attached or whatever it takes. Fill from the bottom until the system is full. A second person is very helpful. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040803130246.84059.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tim & Netters; The best way I have ever found to bleed brakes is to "pull" the brake fluid from the bleeder screw at the wheel cylinder or caliper with a vacuum pump. Most auto part stores sell these for about $25. Just keep your eye on the reservoir to make sure it never runs dry. As far as the idle speed goes, there is an idle speed adjustment screw near the throttle shaft on your carburator. Adjust this screw with the wheels chocked, to about 650 rpm or whatever RPM your engine manufacturer recommends. >Apparently I still have air in the lines that I can't seem to get out. >Can anyone give me some advice on how to bleed piper master cyclinders >with a remote resivore. Tim KR2 N7038V Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:23:57 -0400 From: James R Freeman Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes To: KRnet Message-ID: <03f801c4797e$d4a108a0$3b2674cc@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Tim: If You wish I can loan You a MityVac kit. It is the model with the brake bleeder and will do pres. or vac. I have not used this one, it came with the last used Mercedes I got. But I have used the same model in the past when I had A.C. brake problems. I think I have Your address. Let me know. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:20 AM Subject: KR> KR Brakes > > Ok Guys I was doing some Taxi tests yesterday with my KR2 and found > two problems, first one is the engine idel, I couldn't get it to sit > still on the runway at the lowest throttle setting so I need to look > at that again. And the other problem is the one I need the most help > on.,My brakes. Apparently I still have air in the lines that I can't > seem to get out. Can anyone give me some advice on how to bleed piper > master cyclinders with a remote resivore. Thanks > Tim KR2 N7038V > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:34:08 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> KR humor To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040803153408.007b3de0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Netters, Things being slow on the net I thought I'd share some good natured bantering from our local EAA chapter net. My "good friend" with the Acro Sport (the picture that Marked posted) gets tired of hearing I have to throttle back to 1800 rpm to fly formation with him so he gets back at me with his wicked sense of humor on the key board. Below are a couple of snips and my replys. Enjoy....... Larry Flesner ======================================================== As I understand it, they would like > to see large, ultra-fluorescent markings on the rear of all flying > machines other than KRs. The petition complains that these vehicles > are difficult to detect during the split second transpiring during > overtaking. The extreme speed differences of the KRs and lesser speed > aircraft greatly tax the reaction times of even the highly skilled KR > pilots. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ (my reply) It was determined that, due to the extremely long building time of some KR projects, the pilots of these aircraft have aged to the point that their reaction time is greatly reduced. It's similar to the "driving beyond your headlights" syndrome. The reflectors and other anti-collision devices are efforts to improve safety in the airspace. KR pilots do not consider aircraft of lesser speed to be inferior, just in danger of being overrun. It is the safety of their fellow pilots that is of greatest concern to KR pilots and not an attempt to flaunt the blinding ass speed of the KR. If the effort is successful, the KR drivers could also eliminate the throttle on their aircraft. This would reduce the empty weight and make them even faster. Builders of other model aircraft , such as the Acro Sport series, have added a second wing in an effort to reduce their speed and help insure the safety of their fellow pilots. My response to that effort is "get the hell out of the way". It's hot out and I think I need a nap. I hope I don't get drool on my nice clean shirt......... KR Larry - too old to react, having too much fun to give a damn !!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Wanted: Need 4-channel remote control transmitter for model airplane. >Prefer Hitec Focus FM unit that would be compatible with HS-300 servos. >Servos already installed in the KR and project ready for flight. Just >need transmitter. Call Larry. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ (my reply) Also looking for a transmit booster from a CB radio similar to those used by truckers. Without it I'm concerned the KR will fly out of radio range before a 180 degree turn can be completed. KR Larry ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:48:10 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002501c4799b$3112bd60$d634d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tim to bleed the system with a small hose a jar and no other equipment, connect the hose to the bleeder valve (You can use a tywrap to secure the hose to the bleeder valve) and pre fill the hose with fluid and let all the air rise to the top. If the hose is long enough, place the end of it in the reservoir. If you are alone and want to see what you are doing, route the hose to pass where you can see it. If you don't have a long hose use a second person and a jar. Open the bleeder valve, but only just enough for fluid to come out. Get in and start to slowly pump the brake for the caliper you connected. Pump until there are no more bubbles in the hose. If you use a second person and a jar, don't forget to keep refilling the reservoir. If using the long hose, the reservoir should stay full. Make sure that the hose does not come out of the reservoir. Do the same to the second caliper. I have used this method on the most stubborn Piper Aircraft, usually the ones with a parking brake and dual brakes. Good Luck, P.S. Call me so that I can come see the plane. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:23:41 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02a801c479ca$0fc240c0$562c4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Jim, but i have one too. and I guess I am doing somthing wrong. The air bubbles don't seem to want to migrat to the bleeder valves with a vacuum pump. I was thinking of giving Orma's method a try. Do you belive that the post office has yet to send me any thing on that gear?Never again!! Thanks Tim KR2 N7038V ----- Original Message ----- From: "James R Freeman" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes > Tim: > If You wish I can loan You a MityVac kit. It is the model with the brake > bleeder and will do pres. or vac. I have not used this one, it came > with the > last used Mercedes I got. But I have used the same model in the past > when I > had A.C. brake problems. > I think I have Your address. Let me know. > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timothy Bellville" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:20 AM > Subject: KR> KR Brakes > > > > > > Ok Guys I was doing some Taxi tests yesterday with my KR2 and found > > two problems, first one is the engine idel, I couldn't get it to sit > > still on > > the runway at the lowest throttle setting so I need to look at that again. > > And the other problem is the one I need the most help on.,My brakes. > > Apparently I still have air in the lines that I can't seem to get > > out. Can > > anyone give me some advice on how to bleed piper master cyclinders > > with a > > remote resivore. > > Thanks > > Tim KR2 N7038V > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:29:03 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02b001c479ca$cf8e4a20$562c4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" They are Gerdies wheel cyclienders and piper masters. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:28 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes > >Apparently I still have air in the lines that I can't seem to get > >out. Can > >anyone give me some advice on how to bleed piper master cyclinders > >with a remote resivore. Tim KR2 N7038V > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > What type of brakes do you have installed. Most brakes have a bleeder > valve at the wheel. You need to "push" the fluid up from the bottom. > An oil can with a hose attached or whatever it takes. Fill from the > bottom until the system is full. A second person is very helpful. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:32:26 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02b601c479cb$48b88230$562c4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Orma that sounds like a good way to do it.I will give it a try as soon as I can and let you know. what days are good for you for the visit? You could meet me at my house and I'll dirive us to the airport. Tim KR2 N7038V ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes > Tim to bleed the system with a small hose a jar and no other equipment, > connect the hose to the bleeder valve (You can use a tywrap to secure the > hose to the bleeder valve) and pre fill the hose with fluid and let all the > air rise to the top. If the hose is long enough, place the end of it in the > reservoir. If you are alone and want to see what you are doing, route the > hose to pass where you can see it. If you don't have a long hose use a > second person and a jar. Open the bleeder valve, but only just enough for > fluid to come out. Get in and start to slowly pump the brake for the > caliper you connected. Pump until there are no more bubbles in the hose. > If you use a second person and a jar, don't forget to keep refilling the > reservoir. If using the long hose, the reservoir should stay full. Make > sure that the hose does not come out of the reservoir. Do the same to the > second caliper. I have used this method on the most stubborn Piper > Aircraft, usually the ones with a parking brake and dual brakes. Good Luck, > > P.S. Call me so that I can come see the plane. > > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:59:47 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004c01c479cf$1aa61660$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The simplest pump (about $5-7) is a marine lower unit gear lube pump. I can be found at Wal Mart in the boat supplies or at any boat parts supplier. The pump threads on to most quart size bottles. It comes complete with tube and clamps. It is designed to pump fluid upwards and has a built in check valve to eliminate fluid running back into the bottle. Simply press the tube over the bleeder nipple on the caliper, open the bleeder and pump the brake fluid up to the reservoir. It can be done by one person if you make one or two pumps, close the bleeder and check the reservoir. I just did it this past Saturday. No air and easy to do. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes > Thanks Orma that sounds like a good way to do it.I will give it a try as > soon as I can and let you know. what days are good for you for the visit? > You could meet me at my house and I'll dirive us to the airport. > Tim > KR2 N7038V > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Orma" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes > > > > Tim to bleed the system with a small hose a jar and no other equipment, > > connect the hose to the bleeder valve (You can use a tywrap to secure the > > hose to the bleeder valve) and pre fill the hose with fluid and let all > the > > air rise to the top. If the hose is long enough, place the end of it in > the > > reservoir. If you are alone and want to see what you are doing, route the > > hose to pass where you can see it. If you don't have a long hose use a > > second person and a jar. Open the bleeder valve, but only just enough for > > fluid to come out. Get in and start to slowly pump the brake for the > > caliper you connected. Pump until there are no more bubbles in the hose. > > If you use a second person and a jar, don't forget to keep refilling the > > reservoir. If using the long hose, the reservoir should stay full. Make > > sure that the hose does not come out of the reservoir. Do the same to the > > second caliper. I have used this method on the most stubborn Piper > > Aircraft, usually the ones with a parking brake and dual brakes. Good > Luck, > > > > P.S. Call me so that I can come see the plane. > > > > Orma > > Southfield, MI > > N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:05:40 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR Brakes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007801c479cf$ec92eea0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Timothy Bellville wrote: > You could meet me at my house and I'll dirive us to the airport. I have to say something that 50 other guys are thinking...You should've been an engineer, deriving stuff, and can't spell either... : ) Just so this won't be a waste of bandwidth, my brakes had been sitting empty for something like 8 years. I bought a cheap oilcan from WallyMarts, and with the help of some plastic tubing, fully charged my brakes in about 30 pumps, from the bottom up. The pedal has been rock hard ever since (three whole months!)... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 58 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================