From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 69 Date: 8/12/2004 8:43:58 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Final word on fuel tank resins. (GavinandLouise) 2. Re: Final word on fuel tank resins. (Marty Hammersmith) 3. Re: Final word on fuel tank resins. (GavinandLouise) 4. Re: fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks (Dana Overall) 5. primer solenoid (larry flesner) 6. Re: Low Static RPM (John Bouyea) 7. RE: fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks (Mark Jones) 8. Re: incidence, fuel system (Mark Langford) 9. RE: incidence, fuel system (Mark Jones) 10. Re: primer solenoid (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 11. Re: fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 12. RE: Final word on fuel tank resins. (Ron Freiberger) 13. Re: fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks (Ronald Metcalf) 14. Turboprop Power (Wood, Sidney M.) 15. Re: Fuel tanks (Dene Collett (SA)) 16. solid pop rivets (Colin & Bev Rainey) 17. Re: solid pop rivets (Mark Jones) 18. Not a KR, but pretty amazing (Dan Heath) 19. Re: Not a KR, but pretty amazing (Mark Jones) 20. Re: Turboprop Power (larry severson) 21. Re: fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks (w.higdon9604@comcast.net) 22. Re: Not a KR, but pretty amazing (Ron Eason) 23. Re: Not a KR, but pretty amazing (cartera) 24. Re: primer solenoid (TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:01:52 +1000 From: "GavinandLouise" Subject: KR> Final word on fuel tank resins. To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <000a01c48053$64881fa0$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" The final word on fuel tank resin!!! Today I contacted my local fibreglass supplier, and asked the question about what I should use to seal the inside of my tanks. I asked him about using epoxy resin with fuel that has alcohol in it, and he said he'd check with the technical experts who supply him with the West System products that I am using. Well I got a call just a few hours later and the answer was a resounding NO for use of Epoxy with Diesel fuel!!! But with so called mogas he was a little more positive, though the experts say it will break down with the use of alcohol in the fuel over a period of time, and the company definatly won't give any sort of guarantees. He gave me a strong recommendation to use Vinyl esther resin on at least the top layer of glass ( it'll happily stick to epoxy resin) to seal it up properly and forever more. So no guesses what I have ordered from him and it'll be here in a few days. Gavin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 09/08/2004 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:21:46 -0400 From: "Marty Hammersmith" Subject: Re: KR> Final word on fuel tank resins. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c48056$2cce0ae0$c24afea9@MARTY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Vinyl Ester is the rin used in commercial service station tanks. SOME epoxies will work fine with a given fuel some will not. Vinyl Ester is the correct resin to use for a fueltank. I would add that you should try to avoid using fuel with alcohol and why do yuo care if diesel is compatible with epoxy. Are you flying a diesel? ----- Original Message ----- From: "GavinandLouise" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:01 AM Subject: KR> Final word on fuel tank resins. > The final word on fuel tank resin!!! > Today I contacted my local fibreglass supplier, and asked the question about what I should use to seal the inside of my tanks. > I asked him about using epoxy resin with fuel that has alcohol in it, > and he said he'd check with the technical experts who supply him with the West System products that I am using. > Well I got a call just a few hours later and the answer was a > resounding NO for use of Epoxy with Diesel fuel!!! But with so called mogas he was a little more positive, though the experts say it will break down with the use of alcohol in the fuel over a period of time, and the company definatly won't give any sort of guarantees. > He gave me a strong recommendation to use Vinyl esther resin on at > least the top layer of glass ( it'll happily stick to epoxy resin) to seal it up properly and forever more. > So no guesses what I have ordered from him and it'll be here in a few days. > > > Gavin > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 09/08/2004 > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:35:40 +1000 From: "GavinandLouise" Subject: Re: KR> Final word on fuel tank resins. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c48058$1d6bd4e0$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Na I'm not at all interested in using diesel, but they were his first words and they surprised me a little as I thought it was relatively inert!!!! Fuel with alcohol in it is getting more common, we all need to remember that the trend all over the world nowdays is to use renewable resources, and this means using some alcohol which can easily be made using crops of different types. Gav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hammersmith" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re: KR> Final word on fuel tank resins. > Vinyl Ester is the rin used in commercial service station tanks. SOME > epoxies will work fine with a given fuel some will not. Vinyl Ester is > the correct resin to use for a fueltank. I would add that you should > try to avoid using fuel with alcohol and why do yuo care if diesel is > compatible with epoxy. Are you flying a diesel? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GavinandLouise" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:01 AM > Subject: KR> Final word on fuel tank resins. > > > > The final word on fuel tank resin!!! > > Today I contacted my local fibreglass supplier, and asked the > > question > about what I should use to seal the inside of my tanks. > > I asked him about using epoxy resin with fuel that has alcohol in > > it, and > he said he'd check with the technical experts who supply him with the > West System products that I am using. > > Well I got a call just a few hours later and the answer was a > > resounding > NO for use of Epoxy with Diesel fuel!!! But with so called mogas he > was a little more positive, though the experts say it will break down > with the use > of alcohol in the fuel over a period of time, and the company > definatly won't give any sort of guarantees. > > He gave me a strong recommendation to use Vinyl esther resin on at > > least > the top layer of glass ( it'll happily stick to epoxy resin) to seal > it up properly and forever more. > > So no guesses what I have ordered from him and it'll be here in a > > few > days. > > > > > > Gavin > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 09/08/2004 > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 09/08/2004 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:44:05 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Gang, if you want to totally avoid any of these issues go with alum. It was a little over a year ago I documented a construction technique for KR builders. Although the documentation is of wing tanks, it is easily adapted for a header tank. Mark Langford posted my word.doc file somewhere, maybe someone can chime in with the location. With Mark Jones supplying the money and me the alum work, we used the exercise as a means to provide KR builders a very doable alternative in consideration of the varying additives in fuels today. Mark Jones now has the project tanks in his wings. It is a very, very easy process using solid head pop rivets, thus no bucking, and provides a non degradeable tank that will last a lifetime. I provided a list of required rivets, supplies, fittings, tubing. If you use this method I would encourage you not to "roll your own" and follow the instructions for a tried and true method. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:17:50 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> primer solenoid To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040812071750.00867e20@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I am planning on a similar primer arrangement for my Lycoming, and have >procured a 12v n.c. solenoid. I was planning to take pressurized fuel from the >aux. pump (facet) but am concerned that it will not supply enough >pressure (rated >3-5 psi) to atomize the fuel and feed equal volumes of fuel to all 4 >intake >ports. >Riley Collins ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm running wing tanks only with Facut fuel pumps, an inline pressure regulator set to 4 1/2 pounds, a Marvel Schebler carb on my 0-200. I use a N.C. solenoid that feeds from the carb side of the gascolator. It puts fuel into the intake "spider" just above the carb. With 80+ hours I've not had any trouble starting so it must be working fine. My 0-200 generally fires on the second or third blade. For the sake of science I'll go to the airport and varify that this morning. :-) The Tripacer (Lycombing engine) uses a hand primer that can't deliver but a few pounds (my guess) of primer pressure and it works just fine. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:37:18 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: Re: KR> Low Static RPM To: "'KRNet'" Message-ID: <008e01c48071$7cf139a0$a800a8c0@dell4600> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Scott, Mark, Stanley, Orma, Colin, and all, * The compression test was a leak-down. * He compared his with an identical prop from Props Inc with the same results so his is being re-pitched flatter * I don't know about a tach check and that sounds like a good test item. * He is getting 135 - 140 in cruise and I do not know his unloaded RPM. Thanks. I'll forward your replies to email-less Fred! John Bouyea KR2 - hanging the engine accessories KR2S - boat hanging from the rafters www.bouyea.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:46:57 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902AFA@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain Here is the link to do an aluminum tank as Dana did mine. http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/ Mark Jones Mueller Sales Corporation Ph: 262-781-5310 Fax:262-781-4130 E-mail: mjones@muellersales.com Web: www.muellersales.com -----Original Message----- From: Dana Overall [mailto:bo124rs@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:44 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks Gang, if you want to totally avoid any of these issues go with alum. It was a little over a year ago I documented a construction technique for KR builders. Although the documentation is of wing tanks, it is easily adapted for a header tank. Mark Langford posted my word.doc file somewhere, maybe someone can chime in with the location. With Mark Jones supplying the money and me the alum work, we used the exercise as a means to provide KR builders a very doable alternative in consideration of the varying additives in fuels today. Mark Jones now has the project tanks in his wings. It is a very, very easy process using solid head pop rivets, thus no bucking, and provides a non degradeable tank that will last a lifetime. I provided a list of required rivets, supplies, fittings, tubing. If you use this method I would encourage you not to "roll your own" and follow the instructions for a tried and true method. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:45:38 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> incidence, fuel system To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000001c48074$ef057350$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Riley Collins wrote: > I am planning on a similar primer arrangement for my Lycoming, and > have procured a 12v n.c. solenoid. I was planning to take pressurized > fuel from the > aux. pump (facet) but am concerned that it will not supply enough > pressure (rated > 3-5 psi) to atomize the fuel and feed equal volumes of fuel to all 4 intake > ports. Should I add a 2nd (higher pressure) pump wired to run when > the solenoid is energized, just for the primer. Guess I worry too > much about fuel in the > cockpit area. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. I haven't done a test, but that orifice is so small I'll bet that stream will go a long way before it breaks up, and when it hits something solid, it's going to spray all over the place. I'd think that 3-5 psi would be plenty. For starting purposes, you could probably pour raw fuel in the intake and it'd still start, but that's not optimal. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:47:28 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> incidence, fuel system To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902AFB@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain Hmmmmm..... now I see a way to avoid the manual push primer pump. I am thinking since I have a Tee in my Facet pressurized fuel line to which the manual primer was hooked up to, I can now put a simple on-off valve on my panel and route the primer line from the Tee to the valve to the intake logs. To prime, turn on the Facet pump then I open the valve a second or two then close it. Simple and sweet. Mark Jones -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:n56ml@hiwaay.net] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:46 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> incidence, fuel system Riley Collins wrote: > I am planning on a similar primer arrangement for my Lycoming, and > have procured a 12v n.c. solenoid. I was planning to take pressurized > fuel from the > aux. pump (facet) but am concerned that it will not supply enough > pressure (rated > 3-5 psi) to atomize the fuel and feed equal volumes of fuel to all 4 intake > ports. Should I add a 2nd (higher pressure) pump wired to run when > the solenoid is energized, just for the primer. Guess I worry too > much about fuel in the > cockpit area. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. I haven't done a test, but that orifice is so small I'll bet that stream will go a long way before it breaks up, and when it hits something solid, it's going to spray all over the place. I'd think that 3-5 psi would be plenty. For starting purposes, you could probably pour raw fuel in the intake and it'd still start, but that's not optimal. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:46:11 GMT From: "jscott.pilot@juno.com" Subject: Re: KR> primer solenoid To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040812.074709.23705.331875@webmail18.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Riley, This configuration reflects the factory installation on the Beech Skipper. It uses a low pressure (aux) rattle pump to feed fuel from the wings, then a solenoid to bleed fuel to the primer nozzles prior to startup. ----------------------------------------- >I am planning on a similar primer arrangement for my Lycoming, and have >procured a 12v n.c. solenoid. I was planning to take pressurized fuel from the >aux. pump (facet) but am concerned that it will not supply enough >pressure (rated >3-5 psi) to atomize the fuel and feed equal volumes of fuel to all 4 >intake >ports. >Riley Collins ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm running wing tanks only with Facut fuel pumps, an inline pressure regulator set to 4 1/2 pounds, a Marvel Schebler carb on my 0-200. I use a N.C. solenoid that feeds from the carb side of the gascolator. It puts fuel into the intake "spider" just above the carb. With 80+ hours I've not had any trouble starting so it must be working fine. My 0-200 generally fires on the second or third blade. For the sake of science I'll go to the airport and varify that this morning. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------- FWIW, my O-200 starts fine with no prime or a quick shot from from the accelerator pump by pumping the throttle once. I don't recall the last time I unlocked the primer. Maybe last winter. Jeff Scott ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:54:01 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040812.105507.2688.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aeronca has a 10 gallon tank about just right for the KR2/s. Filler cap and gauge included. Used $50/75, new $100?. I think it is used on the Chief, Virg On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:44:05 -0400 "Dana Overall" writes: > Gang, if you want to totally avoid any of these issues go with alum. > It was > a little over a year ago I documented a construction technique for > KR > builders. Although the documentation is of wing tanks, it is easily > adapted > for a header tank. Mark Langford posted my word.doc file somewhere, > maybe > someone can chime in with the location. With Mark Jones supplying > the money > and me the alum work, we used the exercise as a means to provide KR > builders > a very doable alternative in consideration of the varying additives > in fuels > today. Mark Jones now has the project tanks in his wings. It is a > very, > very easy process using solid head pop rivets, thus no bucking, and > provides > a non degradeable tank that will last a lifetime. I provided a list > of > required rivets, supplies, fittings, tubing. If you use this method > I would > encourage you not to "roll your own" and follow the instructions for > a tried > and true method. > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:24:13 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Final word on fuel tank resins. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You're kiddin'.... There is NO FINAL WORD on the KRNet.... ;o) Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of GavinandLouise Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:02 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR> Final word on fuel tank resins. The final word on fuel tank resin!!! ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:04:33 -0500 From: "Ronald Metcalf" Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >>>Gang, if you want to totally avoid any of these issues go with alum Thanks you Dana - nice article and a perfect solition. I have never seen "pop" rivets that were solid, but I shall find them. Ron _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:05:52 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: KR> Turboprop Power To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You say you want go fast horses? How about 255 hp and 188 pounds? Check out this site http://innodyn.com Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:11:06 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tanks To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000101c480a9$6abfce80$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi gang I built a fuel tank for a boat a few years ago from general purpose polyester resin. I was worried about fuel dissolving the resin so I set out to find a coating for the inside of the two halves before bonding it together. what I found at a local paint shop was a food grade two part coating that is resistant to just about everything including acids and the like. It comes in two or three colours in order for you to be sure that the first coat covers the surface completely and the same for the second coat. It has now been about two years and has had fuel in it all the time with absolutely no signs of degradation. The stuff is also as tough as hell. I have forgotten the name but i can find out if anybody is interested. Cheers Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:05:37 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> solid pop rivets To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005e01c480b0$1e3a6780$69ee0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" AS&S and Wicks sell solid pop rivets, not much more than the standard rivets at Lowes Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:19:49 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> solid pop rivets To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004001c480b2$1a77a840$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just to clarify...a solid pop rivet is one that the pulling stud does not protrude all the way through the rivet. The bottom of the rivet is solid and when inserted in a hole and pulled makes a solid leak free seal unlike the standard pop rivet which will leak. Now as Dana has demonstrated, use Pro Seal between the aluminum surfaces coupled with the solid pop rivet and you now have a worry free seal. My tanks are beautiful and I have no worries what so ever. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:05 PM Subject: KR> solid pop rivets > AS&S and Wicks sell solid pop rivets, not much more than the standard rivets at Lowes > > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:39:58 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Not a KR, but pretty amazing To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <411BF1BE.000007.00824@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you have a high speed connection and want to see something real cool, click on this link. I have played it and saw no problem with the file. It did not load anything on my machine and I think you can use the IE browser (if new enough) to play it. It is a B52 RC plane with real jet engines. Maybe they could power a KR. http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:22:15 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Not a KR, but pretty amazing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005101c480c3$34b3e780$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That is one awesome RC plane. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: KR> Not a KR, but pretty amazing > If you have a high speed connection and want to see something real > cool, click on this link. I have played it and saw no problem with the > file. It did not load anything on my machine and I think you can use > the IE browser (if new enough) to play it. It is a B52 RC plane with > real jet engines. Maybe they could power a KR. > > http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the > time for building has long since expired." > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:07:08 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Turboprop Power To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040812180616.02e88f68@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:05 PM 8/12/2004 -0400, you wrote: >You say you want go fast horses? How about 255 hp and 188 pounds? >Check >out this site http://innodyn.com Just carry wing drop tanks for extra fuel. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:35:00 +0000 From: w.higdon9604@comcast.net Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank resins.-Now Fuel Tanks To: KRnet Message-ID: <081320040135.3603.411C1AC400014CDD00000E132200750330CBCFC0C702010B090708D299@comcast.net> > Aeronca has a 10 gallon tank about just right for the KR2/s. > Filler cap and gauge included. Used $50/75, new $100?. I think it is > used on the Chief, Virg Virg, Back in the 70's a builder in Montan used a Airknocker main fuel tank in his bird. Bill Higdon ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:27:04 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Not a KR, but pretty amazing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00fc01c480dd$05b5e130$6501a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Fantastic!!! I saw these engines at the Oshkosh 2004, one was as large as 150 lb. thrust engine. That may work of a experimental [$28,000.00 ea.] KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: KR> Not a KR, but pretty amazing > If you have a high speed connection and want to see something real > cool, click on this link. I have played it and saw no problem with the > file. It did not load anything on my machine and I think you can use > the IE browser (if new enough) to play it. It is a B52 RC plane with > real jet engines. Maybe they could power a KR. > > http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the > time for building has long since expired." > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:56:27 -0600 From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> Not a KR, but pretty amazing To: KRnet Message-ID: <411C2DDB.6040509@spots.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Dan and KRnetters, I have this B-52 on my hard drive it really something. One really has to d/l the 29mb file because the other two are just parts of the big one. I guess this is an ego trip because I could not even roll or loop or go any aerobatics with it like I do with my HD3D and Zoom Zoom. Good Evening to everyone! Adrian Dan Heath wrote: > If you have a high speed connection and want to see something real > cool, click on this link. I have played it and saw no problem with the > file. It did not load anything on my machine and I think you can use > the IE browser (if new enough) to play it. It is a B52 RC plane with > real jet engines. Maybe they could power a KR. > > http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the time for building has long since expired." > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > . > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:42:36 EDT From: TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> primer solenoid To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1cd.285f2178.2e4d92ac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Larry Flesner wrote: I'm running wing tanks only with Facet fuel pumps, an inline pressure regulator set to 4 1/2 pounds, a Marvel Schebler carb on my 0-200. I use a N.C. solenoid that feeds from the carb side of the gascolator. It puts fuel into the intake "spider" just above the carb. With 80+ hours I've not had any trouble starting so it must be working fine. My 0-200 generally fires on the second or third blade. For the sake of science I'll go to the airport and varify that this morning. :-) Thanks Guys, I guess as long as I get fuel into the intake tubes, the engine would start fine even on a very cold day. Probably does not have to atomize, at 5 psi it will most likely be a dribble. Most hand primers seem fairly stiff and I figured it must be making quite a bit of pressure. My gascolator has a 1/8" npt primer connection on the outlet side before the mechanical (engine driven) pump, will have pressure there from the wing tanks via the facet pump. Best Regards, Riley Collins Rutledge, TN ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 69 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================