From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 72 Date: 8/15/2004 8:59:44 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: primer works (Stephen Jacobs) 2. Re: Web page update (Phillip Matheson) 3. RE: primer works (Doug Rupert) 4. Question re: measurements for KR2S (Duncan) 5. Re: primer works (Orma) 6. KR2S Progress Report 8-15-04 (B. Wunder) 7. Re: primer works (Mark Langford) 8. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 71 (j stevens) 9. Re: Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 71 (Orma) 10. Fuselage dimensions and shape (Duncan of Devonport) 11. Does anyone know if it is true that a prop strike if its wooden does not damage the crank ect? (Dan Heath) 12. RE: Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 71 (Brian Kraut) 13. Re: Fuselage dimensions and shape (Dan Heath) 14. RE: primer works (Doug Rupert) 15. RE: primer works (Doug Rupert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 05:59:18 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> primer works To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4827c$3dc93a90$1e64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've also completed the "totally redundant fuel system" except for the fuel pump ++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark - have you been keeping tabs on the weight? What do you expect empty weight to be? Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:16:37 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Web page update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005d01c4827e$a986f220$e497fea9@ralf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just added some info to my web page on my new 12" flaps and new controls Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 Kr Construction Web page http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:47:24 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> primer works To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001101c4828b$5807aea0$9f04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark: Stupid question from the peanut gallery but why didn't you go with fuel injection setup from a 3.1 liter system from a V6 engine and cobble in the computer module from the donor vehicle and get rid of the carb icing and mixture problems all with one stroke? Just asking as I found 2 pristine Vair engines in a scrap engine pile at local junkyard for 50 bucks apiece as well as a couple of type 4 VW's for same price. Take 1 or take em all as they are going for scrap. May just pick up both Vairs and the type 4's. At that price I could use them for paper weights if not used in the KR. Doug Rupert. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:46 PM To: KRnet Cc: Mark Langford Subject: KR> primer works But just so it won't be a total waste, I'd like to report that I finished installation of the primer circuit today and it works like a charm....fires right up! No longer will I need a spray bottle with gasoline to get it to startMark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:03:33 +1200 From: Duncan Subject: KR> Question re: measurements for KR2S To: krnet Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040815195707.04069508@styx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, I'm busy drawing the fuselage sides onto my paper-covered work bench, and have run into a problem, for which some help is required: The KR2 plans give the height at station N = 11.0" The KR2S supplemental plans (Drawing A) show an extra bay (at station O), but do not show a height for the vertical at that point. This is fine, except the question which presents itself is: Do I extrapolate the curve of the bottom longeron to the new station O, which will make the height of the final vertical less than 11.0", or do I make the vertical at station O 11.0" and adjust all the other vertical lengths accordingly? Duncan of Devonport Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:34:03 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> primer works To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c482c4$26af7390$442bd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" May just pick up both Vairs and the type 4's. The type 4's would be worth it if they are have the serial numbers that indicate that they are 2 liter engines. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:52:37 -0500 From: "B. Wunder" Subject: KR>KR2S Progress Report 8-15-04 To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002c01c482d7$82d08660$6500a8c0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" KR netters, After about a year layoff of working on my KR2S, I have started making progress. Even though the past year has not seen much building, I was "collecting" all the parts for the landing gear for my KR2S, working on a wt&balance file for all pieces, and collecting/starting the assembly and maintenance manuals. I am using the Grove gear and brakes and will have a tail-dragger. So last week I started assembling pieces and drilling holes. You can view my progress at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6/landinggear.html . By next week hope to have some completed assemblies hanging off a main spar. r/ Bernie KR2S Builder Lexington Park, MD http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:10:43 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> primer works To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0b5501c482d1$a760c810$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug Ruper wrote: > Mark: Stupid question from the peanut gallery but why didn't you go > with fuel injection setup from a 3.1 liter system from a V6 engine and > cobble in > the computer module from the donor vehicle and get rid of the carb > icing and > mixture problems all with one stroke? When I started building this plane I was planning on using CIS fuel injection, an almost bulletproof mechanical injection system used on European cars. But after looking at the weight and size of the components, I'd end up with 20 pounds more weight in it than a carb setup. And the CIS setup that I had was for a four cylinder, and now I'm building a six cylinder. The biggie with the carb is that it was light and simple to hook up, and now that's behind me. I may very well give fuel injection a try later on, after I've flown the KR and have that part of the curve behind me. One of the first things on my list after getting my KR broken in will be to build a spare engine. That engine will probably have fuel injection on it. Now that my cowling is built, I think I have room for all of that stuff underneath too. The totally redundant fuel system probably cost me under three pounds altogether. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rupert" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 12:47 AM Subject: RE: KR> primer works > Mark: Stupid question from the peanut gallery but why didn't you go > with fuel injection setup from a 3.1 liter system from a V6 engine and > cobble in > the computer module from the donor vehicle and get rid of the carb > icing and > mixture problems all with one stroke? Just asking as I found 2 > pristine Vair > engines in a scrap engine pile at local junkyard for 50 bucks apiece > as well > as a couple of type 4 VW's for same price. Take 1 or take em all as > they are > going for scrap. May just pick up both Vairs and the type 4's. At that price > I could use them for paper weights if not used in the KR. Doug Rupert. > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Mark Langford > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:46 PM > To: KRnet > Cc: Mark Langford > Subject: KR> primer works > But just so it won't be a total waste, I'd like to report that I > finished installation of the primer circuit today and it works like a > charm....fires right up! No longer will I need a spray bottle with gasoline > to get it to startMark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:38:33 -0500 From: j stevens Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 71 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <411FBBB9.1060003@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed krnet-request@mylist.net wrote: >Send KRnet mailing list sub > >Doe anyone know if it is true that a prop strike if its wooden does not >damage the crank ect? > Joel > > > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > >End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 71 >************************************** > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:07:51 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 71 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c4830b$edcf6f10$442bd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" it is true that a prop strike if its wooden does not damage the crank ect Over The years I have learned to never say never. Sudden stoppage is what will damage a crank the quickest. If the tip hits the ground or an object, and only an inch or so is trimmed off, the engine likely would not be damaged. If on the other hand the plane has nosed over and the prop center section and hub are trying to grind themselves into the pavement or dirt, everything is suspect. Most likely a prop strike with a wooden prop will result in a lot of tooth picks and splinters. A wise and cautious person would have the crank checked. After all, a trip through the corn field will ruin your day. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:26:35 +1200 From: Duncan of Devonport Subject: KR> Fuselage dimensions and shape To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040816090839.02797c80@styx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi there, I know this question has been asked already, but I'm still uncertain about this... Basically, I have three questions: Question 1 I have a set of KR2-S plans, which as we know has an extra bay added to the KR2 plans (ie lengthened by 14" aft of the cabin). Based on best practice as evolved here on KRNet, by how much (in addition to this) should I lengthen each bay aft of the cabin? And do I lengthen the bays forward of the firewall? Question 2 If I widen the cabin to 40", this will effectively reduce the area of the wings, since the cockpit is now encroaching on the wing root by a few inches on each side. Do I lengthen the spars/wings by the same amount to compensate for this encroachment? Finally, question 3 If I widen the cockpit to (say) 40" at the top, by how much should I widen the bottom of the cockpit? By an equal amount? And a supplementary question... Is there any fundamental or aesthetic reason why the cockpit should be wider at the top than at the bottom? Could the sides not be perpendicular? Kind regards Duncan of Devonport KR2-S #9792, #1184 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:04:32 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Does anyone know if it is true that a prop strike if its wooden does not damage the crank ect? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <411FDDF0.000001.01756@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can't know. However it is less likely than with a wooden prop. The first time that happened to me, I had the crank magnafluxed and found no damage. After that, I did not check it. However, you can't know. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:54:13 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 71 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It is certainly more likely to damage the crank with something other than a wooden prop, but a wood prop certainly can damage the crank. When I bought my KR I heard that one of te previous owners had a prop strike with a wood prop so I had it magnafluxed and they said they found the biggest crack through the keyway that they ever saw. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of j stevens Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:39 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 71 krnet-request@mylist.net wrote: >Send KRnet mailing list sub > >Doe anyone know if it is true that a prop strike if its wooden does not damage the crank ect? > Joel > > > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > >End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 71 >************************************** > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:17:00 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage dimensions and shape To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4120191C.000005.01756@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Is there any fundamental or aesthetic reason why the cockpit should be wider at the top than at the bottom? If your butt is the same width as your shoulders, then why not make it streight? However, I don't think it would look as good and would also cause it to have more frontal area. If I were making it wider, I would maintain the same proportions. I am not building an S, but I don't think the wider fuselage will require longer wings. Your results will vary! "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:31:29 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> primer works To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001901c48339$25bfd540$106cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Orma will be sure to check the numbers before purchase Doug ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:31:29 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> primer works To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001a01c48339$27e5e990$106cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Mark just wondered as I have been leaning in this direction. Found 2 Vair cores and a Mazda RX7 so coming to decision time soon. Doug Rupert ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 72 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================