From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 75 Date: 8/17/2004 8:59:43 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Dynon EFIS (Stephen Jacobs) 2. Re: Engine Problems (Dan Heath) 3. RE: Dynon EFIS (Dana Overall) 4. RE: Dynon EFIS (Wood, Sidney M.) 5. Re: Compass dip (Martindale Family) 6. RE: Compass dip (Wood, Sidney M.) 7. Re: Dynon EFIS (James R Freeman) 8. RE: Dynon EFIS (larry severson) 9. Re: Compass dip (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 10. Re: Compass dip (Ameet Savant) 11. Re: 140 HP 'Vair was Engine Problems (Scott Cable) 12. Re: Compass dip (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 13. RE: Dynon EFIS (Dana Overall) 14. Type 4 Engine Buildup (Orma) 15. KR "boat" for sale (John Bissonnette) 16. Re: KR "boat" for sale (SkyVisionSC@aol.com) 17. Re: KR "boat" for sale (Dan Heath) 18. west coast gathering (danharris) 19. gathering (danharris) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:36:59 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Dynon EFIS To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4842c$fefeb7b0$cc64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The military environmental requirements and operating conditions will put more wear and tear on avionics in six months than we will put on a KR-2 in twenty years The D10 is not certified for Instrument Flight Rules applications I had already installed my pitot-static probe +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thank you Bwana - my concern about the D10 stems from a comment I read somewhere, viz.: --------------------------- "I've followed the Dynon EFIS since its inception, as well as the BMA units. The Dynon is excellent value, but it's really not a "substitute" for the BMA units - which use complex heuristics (as from advanced missile guidance systems) from an integrated GPS to provide better stability of the AHI and HS. During a loooong slow shallow turn, for example, the Dynon can get confused whereas BMA will not. IMHO, the Dynon would make a great VFR platform or a backup for a BMA EFIS/One, but I wouldn't be comfortable using the Dynon for IFR." ----------------------------------- I raised this with Dynon and they were adamant that the unit would perform reliably under all normal flight conditions. Your comment is thus extremely pleasing and reassuring, sounds to me like you know exactly what you are talking about. I realize the unit is not IF "rated" - I could not care less Sid, I look out for my own but. After many years of struggling behind legal (TSO'd) drifting gyro's, failing vac pumps and flickering ammeters as well as all the other ill's of the steam gauge era, (not to mention the associated costs), I cannot wait to fly behind something "illegal" that just sits their and does its job, consuming energy in milli-watts and is far less likely to give me any grief. Did you make up your own pitot? Take care Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:26:27 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Engine Problems To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4121DD53.000005.02320@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry, I think you may be correct. It may be the type 4 that Dan put on it. I was talking to him about it at the gathering at Rough River just before he took me on one of the best rides of my life, the first one in a KR. I know that the KR can handle most anything you throw at it, but, MORE is not always BETTER. The right amount is better and each plane has it's own RIGHT amount. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:08:25 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Dynon EFIS To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Stephen Jacobs" >"I've followed the Dynon EFIS since its inception, as well as the BMA >units. The Dynon is excellent value, but it's really not a >"substitute" for the BMA units - which use complex heuristics Stephen, This was hogwash put out by Blue Mountain to support their unit. Blue Mountain's has a very well documented pattern of belittling the competition as opposed to speaking about their units. As a matter of fact, the smaller BMA unit, as of a year ago, had never been successfully installed by a builder with satifactory results. Their 10K unit work well, but that is it. A comparison of units is in order. The Blue Mountain and Grand Rapids (6K) both rely on GPS input. Anyone who flies cross country knows GPS coverage can and will be lost on more than remote occurances. The Dynon relies on the pitot/static system. Big difference. I can assure you, the Dynon will function as advertised. Another point is the Dynon sends gray code to your transponder thus eliminating the need for an encoder. It works, my Dynon is tied to my Garmin 327 which shows the altitude being reported to ATC on the face. Yes, the Dynon is in fact doing one of it's many jobs. If you want to go with more whiz bang, look at the Grand Rapids Technology unit and stay as far away from Blue Mountain as you can. Course you are going to pay big bucks for the GRT unit. As a side note, Dynon says they will have their engine monitering system out by the end of the year then tackle the autopilot. Larry, you asked if the Dynon would output info for an autopilot. The answer is no. It is a flight instrument which replaced a laundry list of heavy, round gauges. Since it does not use GPS, it has no data to drive a autopilot. Remember though, the new non certified autopilots have the ability for you to simply point the nose the direction you want to go then activate the AP as a wing leveler and "go that way" with the ability to make degree changes by the press of a button to tidy things up. The Trio Avionics EZ Pilot is the new kid on the block and will give TruTrack a run for their money. It kinda does what Dynon has done, give you a low cost option to an already available instument. Trios biggest claim to fame is their ability to intercept a radial, lead turns at waypoints at huge angles of intercept on an autopilot for under $1000. TruTrack offers a unit that will do that, but at a much higher price. Trio used the Navaid servo. Yes, this autopilot will work in a KR. I tell you what, if you truly want a cross country KR that isn't going to wear you out maintaining an altitude and heading.........and you want to spend the money. Dynon, Grand Rapids EIS 4000 engine moniter, small COM, Trio Avionics EZ Pilot coupled to a cheap handheld with the stand alone TruTrack Altitude hold, CORVAIR!!, and still have plenty of panel space.................... and haul some mail!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:23:02 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> Dynon EFIS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve, I bought the Pitot-static tube from AS, P/N 15144 for $15.65 plus shipping. It is mounted on an aluminum L bracket glued to the forward face of the left outer main spar, about 3 feet from the tip. I thought about putting it on the stub wing, but wanted to be sure it was out of the prop wash and clear of the wheel pants. Anywhere along the outer wing would work, but I did not want to cut any extra holes for access to the plumbing. Access is behind the landing light Plexiglas lens. The 3/16 Nylaflow nylon tubing is routed through PVC conduit glued to the forward face of the main spar, as are the landing and navigation light wires. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com ------------------------------------------------------- Did you make up your own pitot? Take care Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:18:33 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> Compass dip To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b001c48458$0b4e8420$75a0fea9@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Sid and Virg Yep, I understand the theory behind the behaviour but what I describe is occurring when the aircraft is stationary on the ground, that is, no acceleration or turn rate errors....just lifting up the tail. I'm just wondering how simple are the mechanical adjustments actually made to alter a Northern to a Southern in the Airpath type compass. I'm hoping, if I dissassemble it and it is Northern, that all I need to is to relocate the card on an opposite offset pivot point or relocate some balance weights to the opposite end to minimise the effect downunder. This is really my question. I suppose it's not really all that important given it seems to be accurate in straight and level and subject to the normal acceleration/turn errors that we are all taught....probably just as easy to return to ASS and swap for $15-00 but I'm curious as usual and if I can confirm it and change it here for nix then I will to save freight. It's hard to believe that devastation pictured. All those beautiful flying machines and of course the lives lost and possessions destroyed. My best wishes to all those affected. John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wood, Sidney M." To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: RE: KR> Compass dip > John, > You have rediscovered what most pilots refer to ....(snip) ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:48:51 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> Compass dip To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John, You are changing the geometry between the compass pivot and the local magnetic dip angle by raising the tail. All the magnetic compass calibration procedures say to make adjustments with the aircraft at normal flight attitude. I contacted Airpath about making internal changes to their compasses. They said there were no internal settings or adjustments and recommended that the compass not be opened. The only exterior adjustments are the N-S and E-W magnets for installation compensation. The "south field" compasses have no internal settings or adjustments. These compasses are setup to give the same Northerly turning error response in the Southern hemisphere as the "north field" compasses do in the Northern hemisphere by using a compass card with opposite polarity magnetization and appropriate numbering. My summary: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com Hi Sid and Virg Yep, I understand the theory behind the behaviour but what I describe is occurring when the aircraft is stationary on the ground, that is, no acceleration or turn rate errors....just lifting up the tail. I'm just wondering how simple are the mechanical adjustments actually made to alter a Northern to a Southern in the Airpath type compass. I'm hoping, if I dissassemble it and it is Northern, that all I need to is to relocate the card on an opposite offset pivot point or relocate some balance weights to the opposite end to minimise the effect downunder. This is really my question. I suppose it's not really all that important given it seems to be accurate in straight and level and subject to the normal acceleration/turn errors that we are all taught....probably just as easy to return to ASS and swap for $15-00 but I'm curious as usual and if I can confirm it and change it here for nix then I will to save freight. It's hard to believe that devastation pictured. All those beautiful flying machines and of course the lives lost and possessions destroyed. My best wishes to all those affected. John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wood, Sidney M." To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: RE: KR> Compass dip > John, > You have rediscovered what most pilots refer to ....(snip) ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:48:36 -0400 From: James R Freeman Subject: Re: KR> Dynon EFIS To: KRnet Message-ID: <001001c48461$09f5bbd0$46b774cc@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dana: Is today Friday? Check this link. http://www.scott-inc.com/html/gpsant.htm Jim Stearns,KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:08 AM Subject: RE: KR> Dynon EFIS > >From: "Stephen Jacobs" > > >"I've followed the Dynon EFIS since its inception, as well as the BMA > >units. The Dynon is excellent value, but it's really not a > >"substitute" for the BMA units - which use complex heuristics > > Stephen, > > This was hogwash put out by Blue Mountain to support their unit. Blue > Mountain's has a very well documented pattern of belittling the competition > as opposed to speaking about their units. As a matter of fact, the smaller > BMA unit, as of a year ago, had never been successfully installed by a > builder with satifactory results. Their 10K unit work well, but that > is it. > A comparison of units is in order. The Blue Mountain and Grand > Rapids > (6K) both rely on GPS input. Anyone who flies cross country knows GPS > coverage can and will be lost on more than remote occurances. The Dynon > relies on the pitot/static system. Big difference. I can assure you, the > Dynon will function as advertised. Another point is the Dynon sends gray > code to your transponder thus eliminating the need for an encoder. It > works, my Dynon is tied to my Garmin 327 which shows the altitude being > reported to ATC on the face. Yes, the Dynon is in fact doing one of it's > many jobs. If you want to go with more whiz bang, look at the Grand Rapids > Technology unit and stay as far away from Blue Mountain as you can. Course > you are going to pay big bucks for the GRT unit. > > As a side note, Dynon says they will have their engine monitering > system out > by the end of the year then tackle the autopilot. > > Larry, you asked if the Dynon would output info for an autopilot. The > answer is no. It is a flight instrument which replaced a laundry list > of heavy, round gauges. Since it does not use GPS, it has no data to > drive a autopilot. Remember though, the new non certified autopilots > have the ability for you to simply point the nose the direction you > want to go then activate the AP as a wing leveler and "go that way" > with the ability to make > degree changes by the press of a button to tidy things up. The Trio > Avionics EZ Pilot is the new kid on the block and will give TruTrack a > run for their money. It kinda does what Dynon has done, give you a > low cost option to an already available instument. Trios biggest > claim to fame is their ability to intercept a radial, lead turns at > waypoints at huge angles > of intercept on an autopilot for under $1000. TruTrack offers a unit > that will do that, but at a much higher price. Trio used the Navaid > servo. Yes, > this autopilot will work in a KR. I tell you what, if you truly want > a cross country KR that isn't going to wear you out maintaining an > altitude and heading.........and you want to spend the money. Dynon, > Grand Rapids EIS 4000 engine moniter, small COM, Trio Avionics EZ > Pilot coupled to a cheap handheld with the stand alone TruTrack > Altitude hold, CORVAIR!!, and still have plenty of panel > space.................... and haul some mail!! > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:59:41 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR> Dynon EFIS To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040817065731.00b49180@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > Trios biggest claim to fame is >their ability to intercept a radial, lead turns at waypoints at huge >angles of intercept on an autopilot for under $1000. Absent the presence of a Navaid Servo in the KR, the Trio costs a whole lot more to install, unfortunately. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:48:51 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Compass dip To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040817.105035.2652.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ANY movement is an acceleration, Virg On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:18:33 +1000 "Martindale Family" writes: > Hi Sid and Virg > > Yep, I understand the theory behind the behaviour but what I > describe is > occurring when the aircraft is stationary on the ground, that is, > no > acceleration or turn rate errors....just lifting up the tail. > > I'm just wondering how simple are the mechanical adjustments > actually made > to alter a Northern to a Southern in the Airpath type compass. I'm > hoping, > if I dissassemble it and it is Northern, that all I need to is to > relocate > the card on an opposite offset pivot point or relocate some balance > weights > to the opposite end to minimise the effect downunder. This is really > my > question. > > I suppose it's not really all that important given it seems to be > accurate > in straight and level and subject to the normal acceleration/turn > errors > that we are all taught....probably just as easy to return to ASS and > swap > for $15-00 but I'm curious as usual and if I can confirm it and > change it > here for nix then I will to save freight. > > It's hard to believe that devastation pictured. All those beautiful > flying > machines and of course the lives lost and possessions destroyed. My > best > wishes to all those affected. > > John > > The Martindale Family > 29 Jane Circuit > TOORMINA NSW 2452 > AUSTRALIA > > phone: 61 2 66584767 > email: johnjane@chc.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wood, Sidney M." > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:59 PM > Subject: RE: KR> Compass dip > > > > John, > > You have rediscovered what most pilots refer to ....(snip) > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ameet Savant Subject: Re: KR> Compass dip To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040817145422.92114.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Virg, Uh... not movement.. Any change in speed is defined as acceleration. (unit ft/sec^2) Ameet > ANY movement is an acceleration, Virg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:23:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> 140 HP 'Vair was Engine Problems To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040817152328.94814.qmail@web53004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Netters & Larry, I was building a 2S and still building a 140 HP Corvair engine for the new owner. Jim and I are Lock-step in what our goals are for the aircraft. Jim wants power at Altitude so adding a turbocharger to the 3100 cc big boy is what our plan of attack is. Jim is planning on frequent trips over the Rockies, so having that (much) power is essential. I'm sure she's going to be a handful during takeoff and taxi, so extra care is required when applying the throttle. JIm will be the epitomie of "If you don't want 120 hp, don't push the throttle....." I personally think Scobby says it best " Rore Prower" HEE HEE hee hee hee hee. larry flesner wrote: >1. Is 120hp to much for a standard KR2? As a final thought, I'm assuming you plan to install a throttle. If you don't want 120 hp, don't push the throttle to the stop. :-) Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:01:40 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Compass dip To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040817.140409.524.6.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Which he describes as Picking Up The Tail, Virg On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Ameet Savant writes: > > Virg, > > Uh... not movement.. Any change in speed is defined as acceleration. > (unit ft/sec^2) > > Ameet > > > > ANY movement is an acceleration, Virg > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:15:13 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Dynon EFIS To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: larry severson > >of intercept on an autopilot for under $1000. > >Absent the presence of a Navaid Servo in the KR, the Trio costs a whole >lot more to install, unfortunately. Larry, Get on Ebay or better, plug into a couple of the larger experimental aircraft forums and you will find more Navaid Servos you can buy used than you can shake a stick at. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:23:21 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Type 4 Engine Buildup To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002201c484a0$6cf0ca10$442bd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net After much delay, as of this morning I finally have all the parts from all the shops, and can get on with the final assembly of my type 4, 2.3 turbo. I started today picking up the last of my parts, which was the modified VolksPower accessory case, and the remainder of my turbo intake pipe's. The Subaru starter sure turns the engine fast. I placed the copper gaskets in the heads and torque them to the case. I installed my lifters, lower cooling tins, pushrod tubes, pushrods, and placed the rocker assemblies on the studs. Tomorrow I will bolt the rockers down and check the rocker to valve geometry. If that goes well, I will install the magneto driver to the back of the crankshaft and install the accessory case. I have to repaint my engine mount and all the new pipes and manifolds. With some luck I may get to mount the engine before the weekend. My goal is to have one full month of engine operation prior to the gathering, and at least two weeks of flight time. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bissonnette Subject: KR> KR "boat" for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040818004609.13870.qmail@web12708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My partner and I have started a KR2S and now have decided to get rid of it! We have Dan Diel wing skins never uncrated, Diel landing gear, 2 Subaru engines( EA81, and EA82 that I picked up in Japan, and a few other things. We can be reached in Dallas @ Dave 972-307-0695 or John @918-434-2424. Have a nice day! JB --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:04:13 EDT From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR "boat" for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <143.30ced31d.2e54050d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello... How much money for the KR stuff? Thanks...Sherman in S.C. (864)-585-3327 ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:29:52 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> KR "boat" for sale To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4122B110.000001.02168@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sherman, E-mail me. danrh@alltel.net "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 08/17/04 21:04:53 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> KR "boat" for sale Hello... How much money for the KR stuff? Thanks...Sherman in S.C. (864)-585-3327 _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:55:35 -0700 From: "danharris" Subject: KR> west coast gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <20040818015259.M7633@pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 grass valley sounds like a great place for a gathering. hoe soon? ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:58:08 -0700 From: "danharris" Subject: KR> gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <20040818015609.M613@pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 correction on my previous e-mail ....... that was "how soon" ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 75 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================