From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 79 Date: 8/19/2004 8:59:41 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. KR "boat" for sale (Oscar Zuniga) 2. Re: Plan #'s (Jim Morehead) 3. Re: Plan #'s (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 4. Re: aircraft data collection (Duncan) 5. Re: 76 hp VW 2100cc (larry severson) 6. Re: aluminum honeycomb (rparker) 7. Re: Blade angles Warpdrive (larry severson) 8. Re: Plan #'s (larry severson) 9. Re: Plan #'s (larry severson) 10. Re: aircraft data collection (Dan Heath) 11. Re: Re: aluminum honeycomb (Mark Jones) 12. Stealing intellectual property. (Dan Heath) 13. airspeeds was Re: KR> Plan #'s (Wesley Scott) 14. KR design airspeeds? (Dan Heath) 15. How many days? (Mark Jones) 16. Re: How many days? (Dan Heath) 17. Re: Drilling Stainless (Scott Cable) 18. Wedding at Oshkosh (Dan Heath) 19. Re: Plan #'s (orma@aviation-mechanics.com) 20. Re: Stealing intellectual property. (patrusso) 21. Re: Blade angles Warpdrive (Kenneth B. Jones) 22. It is that time again. (Mark Jones) 23. Re: Blade angles Warpdrive (larry severson) 24. Re: Blade angles Warpdrive (Phillip Matheson) 25. Re: Plan #'s (Dean Cooper) 26. Re: KR "boat" for sale (Bob) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:07:50 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> KR "boat" for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ballsofbugs wrote- >I am shopping for woodwork (boat stage, spars,etc.) for a restoration. >If you decide to separerate. Price and location? There was one up for sale here in central Texas, around Kerrville or Comfort, that John Weikel was selling. Boat fuselage and wing spars, very good workmanship. Other materials were also included, I believe. John's email is jandd@maverickbbs.com and you can see a picture of what he had for sale at http://www.flysquirrel.net/KR/weikelkr2.jpg Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:21:23 -0700 From: Jim Morehead Subject: Re: KR> Plan #'s To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Netters, A while back I contacted RR asking what number I should use to register my KR project. In the front of my plan book it has Book Number 67 and Plan number 7501. The answer I got was ³7501 was register to someone in the Mid West.² I wrote back and asked ³how can two people have the same number. I got no response. I finally dug out my receipt for the plans and found that my receipt was for 7561. I sent a photo copy of my receipt and a copy of my plan book page asking if I should just change the number in my plan book. I have still never heard from Her. Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:13:06 -0700 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> Plan #'s To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006501c48620$8f338410$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim, When I originally bought my plans and kit of wood back in 1985 the purchase agreement I was sent came in two copies. I was to sign and date it and send the white copy back to R/R for filing. This first one for the KR2 was Serial No. KR2 #7427 with master file book no. 67. Then in Feb 1995 I purchased the KR2S plans, which also came with a purchase agreement, that I signed and returned a copy to R/R. The new serial No. is KR-2S #542 and the master file book No. 77. I believe that I only have to present to the FAA representative, the latest serial number for the KR2S # 542, at the time of pre-flight inspections. I sure hope no one else has this number. I have added a couple pictures to my website under the engine and landing gear heading. Looking forward to Mt Vernon! Bud Midkiff KR2S Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net web: http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html Netters, A while back I contacted RR asking what number I should use to register my KR project. In the front of my plan book it has Book Number 67 and Plan number 7501. The answer I got was ³7501 was register to someone in the Mid West.² I wrote back and asked ³how can two people have the same number. I got no response. I finally dug out my receipt for the plans and found that my receipt was for 7561. I sent a photo copy of my receipt and a copy of my plan book page asking if I should just change the number in my plan book. I have still never heard from Her. Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:43:03 +1200 From: Duncan Subject: Re: KR> aircraft data collection To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040820073317.046731e0@styx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Daniel, The problem with the EAA comparison is the phrase "and it is emailed to the email address on record". That's just it. There are no addresses on record. One solution is to allow access to the site with the username/password I sent out yesterday, and allow users to fill in a personal details form (eg: plans#, username, password, email address). The website can then create a user account and email the details to the user. A similar scheme works on some of my commercial sites. You asked about what I was using for a database... Pages written in PHP Database is mySQL Website housed in Miami, Florida Regards, Duncan ================================== At 10:37 p.m. 19/08/2004, you wrote: >On my EAA site, I have a page where you can request a log in and it is >mailed to the e-mail address on record. I generate a random password or >let the user supply his ID and password. What are you using for a >database? ================================== Duncan of Devonport KR2-S (Plans: #9792, #1184) Auckland, New Zealand http://rtfmsoft.com/kr The KR Database: http://rtfmsoft.com/kr/html/login.php ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:37:42 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> 76 hp VW 2100cc To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040819133652.00b4a288@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Does a 2100cc VW really produce 76hp? If so, what does a 2180 produce >and how do we know? Hp will change with compression ratio. So will >engine life. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:39:23 -0500 From: "rparker" Subject: KR> Re: aluminum honeycomb To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040819203923.29593.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FYI, anyone near texas might be interested in this aluminum honeycomb. Its being used on the new beebe aircraft. I'm not the seller nor know the seller. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61597&item=3834043107&rd=1 Rich Parker Peterborough, NH ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:39:34 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040819133846.028e8250@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:15 PM 8/19/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Hey Ken > >How did you convert blade angles set at the tips of the 3 blade >Warpdrive to inches of pitch. Someone posted a table for two bladers a >while back but I've had no luck in obtaining same for the 3 blader. >Would there be much difference? I called Warp Drive. They gave me the figure of 18 degrees to get 54 pitch. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:48:33 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Plan #'s To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040819134332.028eaaf0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >For sure Jeanette should know what the numbers mean. Yes, but ... I have a set of KR2 plans that has no revisions and receipt #1 with a date of 1971. Jeannette says that is impossible for both date and number, but she did admit that the receipt was theirs. Unfortunately, the plane is still not finished. Maybe after I get my Q2's 40 hours flown off, I can get back to it. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:56:24 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Plan #'s To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040819135259.028f3230@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >The new serial No. is KR-2S #542 and the master file >book No. 77. I believe that I only have to present to the FAA >representative, the latest serial number for the KR2S # 542, at the >time of pre-flight inspections. I picked up a Q2 which was listed variously as 2607 and 2607Q2 in FAA data bases. I settled on 2607Q2 because I could establish a line of title for it, but not 2607. This was even though the plane was clearly bought and built by the person, now deceased, who registered the 2607. The FAA loved the fact that I made their paperwork easier. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:01:18 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> aircraft data collection To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4125151E.000001.01224@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE One solution is to allow access to the site with the username/password I sent out yesterday, and allow users to fill in a personal details form (eg: plans#, username, password, email address). The website can then create a user account and email the details to the user. Exactly and that makes for more work. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:10:57 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Re: aluminum honeycomb To: "rparker" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <005b01c48631$0630d6c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yep, that is some amazing stuff. I was at the Bede display in Oshkosh and they had a partially built fuselage there. Their fuselage was glued together using T-88. They were also handing folks pieces and inviting you to bend it. It won't, so don't even try. The main drawback with this stuff is that you can only use it on flat surfaces. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "rparker" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: KR> Re: aluminum honeycomb > FYI, anyone near texas might be interested in this aluminum honeycomb. > Its being used on the new beebe aircraft. > > I'm not the seller nor know the seller. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61597&item=3834043107&rd=1 > > Rich Parker > Peterborough, NH > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:35:24 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Stealing intellectual property. To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41251D1C.000007.01224@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not a lawyer, butt... If you are taking stuff from this forum and building an airplane, then you are building a KR. It may not end up being a KR, but you are taking the intellectual property that came from the KR. We all need to be careful not to "give" copyrighted material out to someone else unless they are the legal owner of a set of that copyrighted material. Can we talk about something else? How many days to the gathering? "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:34:09 -0500 From: "Wesley Scott" Subject: airspeeds was Re: KR> Plan #'s To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001501c48634$45837140$69a60a04@pbrain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The design airspeeds for the KR-2 are: Va = 123 mph design maneuvering speed Vc = 171 mph design cruising speed Vd = 242 mph design diving speed The new ASTM standard F2245 "Standard Specification for Design and Performance of a Light Sport Airplane" requires that Vh <= Vne <= 0.9Vdf Vh = maximum speed in level flight with maximum continuous power (corrected for sea level standard conditions) Vdf <= Vd , Vdf = demonstrated diving speed also Vne >= 1.1 Vc ( min Vne = 188 mph for the KR-2) if Vd = Vdf then max Vne for the KR-2 = 218 mph To quote from a Marcy Analytics report for the KR2S: "Again using FAR 23, Appendix A, the calculated minimum values of Vc andVd are 140 and 198 mph, respectively. Inasmuch as the KR2S is expected to be capable of 200 mph maximum level flight speed, we have selected Vc = 180 mph and Vd = 220 mph as design values, so that Vne = .9 Vd = 200 mph at 1050 lb gross weight. These selected design values exceed teh minimums specificed in FAR 23, Appendix A." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" > Orma wrote: > > >Of interest is the Stall speed of 42 MPH and the Top Speed of 210, > >for the > Turbo KR-2. > > A "top speed" of 210 mph???? So much for the mythical 200 mph Vne! > I've always wondered where the 200 mph number came from (although I > have my idea > of exactly which cavity), but now we have printed evidence that at > some point 210 mph was considered acceptable. And it only took 10 > years for this > to rise to the surface. See > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/210mph_Vne.jpg for the proof. And > I've just got to say that somebody needs to go back to drafting school > on this side view. > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:41:04 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> KR design airspeeds? To: , "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41251E70.000009.01224@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Where did these design speeds come from? I have never seen these before. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: Wesley Scott; KRnet Date: 08/19/04 17:36:11 To: KRnet Subject: airspeeds was Re: KR> Plan #'s The design airspeeds for the KR-2 are: Va = 123 mph design maneuvering speed Vc = 171 mph design cruising speed Vd = 242 mph design diving speed The new ASTM standard F2245 "Standard Specification for Design and Performance of a Light Sport Airplane" requires that Vh <= Vne <= 0.9Vdf Vh = maximum speed in level flight with maximum continuous power (corrected for sea level standard conditions) Vdf <= Vd , Vdf = demonstrated diving speed also Vne >= 1.1 Vc ( min Vne = 188 mph for the KR-2) if Vd = Vdf then max Vne for the KR-2 = 218 mph To quote from a Marcy Analytics report for the KR2S: "Again using FAR 23, Appendix A, the calculated minimum values of Vc andVd are 140 and 198 mph, respectively. Inasmuch as the KR2S is expected to be capable of 200 mph maximum level flight speed, we have selected Vc = 180 mph and Vd = 220 mph as design values, so that Vne = .9 Vd = 200 mph at 1050 lb gross weight. These selected design values exceed teh minimums specificed in FAR 23, Appendix A." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" > Orma wrote: > > >Of interest is the Stall speed of 42 MPH and the Top Speed of 210, > >for the > Turbo KR-2. > > A "top speed" of 210 mph???? So much for the mythical 200 mph Vne! > I've always wondered where the 200 mph number came from (although I > have my idea > of exactly which cavity), but now we have printed evidence that at > some point 210 mph was considered acceptable. And it only took 10 > years for this > to rise to the surface. See > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/210mph_Vne.jpg for the proof. And > I've just got to say that somebody needs to go back to drafting school > on this side view. > _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:45:18 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> How many days? To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <008b01c48635$d219a060$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" TOO MANY......I am ready now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just wish my plane was ready. Oh, the Gathering is 35 days away. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:57:40 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> How many days? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41252254.00000F.01224@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE Wish I were flying to the gathering Me too. Last year, I was absolutely positive that I would be flying to this one. We are getting close, no airplane noises, but I am almost finished with the wiring and plumbing. After we turn it back over, it is on to getting the engine on and running, a W&B for engine placement and then we are very close "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Drilling Stainless To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040819220614.37741.qmail@web53008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Netters: If you can't wait for your Boeing Lube to arrive from Avery tools, try this: Heat up your drill bit with a lighter or match, and dip the drill bit into a wax toilet seal ring. You can get them from Home Depot, or almost anywhere, they're cheap and it works. I keep a wax toilet ring beside my drill press.... Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:07:04 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Wedding at Oshkosh To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41252488.000005.03108@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For you who think you have seen it all at a fly-in. This is a member of our chapter who has recently moved to Virginia. He was an air traffic controller at CAE. How would you like to have Patty Wagstaff, Paul and Tom Poberezney in your wedding party and get escorted to the wedding reception in Red One?. This is in PDF format. It is just under my picture at http://KR-Builder.org I hope I spelled their names right. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:20:41 -0400 From: Subject: Re: KR> Plan #'s To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006601c4863a$c4087410$698bd145@robbinsavm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "receipt #1 with a date of 1971" Somewhere in this there is a history lesson. When were the first plans sold. Perhaps yours is the first. Orma L. Robbins A&P/IA KR-2 N110LR Southfield, MI ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:28:49 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Stealing intellectual property. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c4863b$e6c9e500$7ca972d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Intellectual Property???POPPYCOCK!! The KR boat and Spars have been in use since the 1920s', long before Ken was born. VW engines were not introduced to the aviation world by Ken. The wheels were from a go-cart, The airfoil is 60 year old technology....etc. and on and on!!!!There is very little intectual property here. The over-all design however was masterful, the use of wood and foam, the general outline, the wonderful simplicity of construction, the excellent plans and again, on and on! But that is not patented nor intelectual property. There are copy write issues regarding the plans book only. I bought my plans from KR before he died and called the company to tell them I bought them in partnership with my brother-in-law and we were making two aircraft. They assigned us a second number to present to the FAA . That simple. As it turned out, neither number seemed to be an issue with the FAA. The plans and experience continue to be a reference tool for me. A great education and plane #4 undergoing taxi testing now owes much to the KR education. But it is not a KR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: KR> Stealing intellectual property. > I'm not a lawyer, butt... If you are taking stuff from this forum and > building an airplane, then you are building a KR. It may not end up > being a > KR, but you are taking the intellectual property that came from the > KR. We all need to be careful not to "give" copyrighted material out > to someone else unless they are the legal owner of a set of that > copyrighted material. > > Can we talk about something else? > > How many days to the gathering? > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the > time for building has long since expired." > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:16:23 -0400 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <041301c48642$8b7cc530$647ba8c0@oemcomputer> Larry, Is that based on a 53" diameter prop? Ken Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive > At 09:15 PM 8/19/2004 +1000, you wrote: > >Hey Ken > > > >How did you convert blade angles set at the tips of the 3 blade > >Warpdrive to > >inches of pitch. Someone posted a table for two bladers a while back > >but I've had no luck in obtaining same for the 3 blader. Would there > >be much difference? > > I called Warp Drive. They gave me the figure of 18 degrees to get 54 pitch. > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:59:53 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> It is that time again. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ad01c48648$9f1901c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No, I am not talking about how many days to the gathering......I am talking about what this list is about and what it should be used for. This list is not for a bunch of old hens to bicker with each other. If you want to do that, take it off net and do it privately with each other. If you do not know how to address someone privately (as in taking an e-mail address from text and using it to e-mail privately), I will teach you how. Now, about all the crap that has been on this list lately, it has just gotten out of hand. Only about one in ten post are actually worth reading. The rest is crap. Why do you have to do a reply with "me too" or "I second that" or with any other useless statement which takes up everyone time? Why can you not post something that is useful to someone? Post only what is KR related! Do not post political messages, form letters or any other material that does not strictly adhere to KR's. This is a KR list only. I know a lot of you guys are new and have a lot of questions. Do not be afraid to ask any KR related question. It will get answered. Just remember that we have an archive which can be searched also for more information. There are also a lot of KR Net old timers which have gotten fed up with the crap on this list and would participate more if things were like they used to be. You know, KR related. Remember, that is what we are here for, right? To build and help others build KR planes. Thank you. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:06:20 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040819170440.02945fa8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Pitch is not related to diameter, but it is on a 54 in 3 blade prop on a Revmaster 2100D turbo. At 07:16 PM 8/19/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Larry, > >Is that based on a 53" diameter prop? > > > > I called Warp Drive. They gave me the figure of 18 degrees to get 54 >pitch. > > > > Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:19:07 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005501c4864b$4f99df90$6896dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is an old saying 3 blades for SHOW, 2 for GO. I have always been told Two blades are more effective then 3. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:17:00 -0400 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> Plan #'s To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <026101c4864b$0322fbb0$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Orma wrote: > "receipt #1 with a date of 1971" > > Somewhere in this there is a history lesson. When were the first > plans sold. Perhaps yours is the first. My plans have no serial or book numbers written or printed on them from RR. However, I have the orginal receipt (#4600) signed by Ken Rand on December 21, 1974 where Ken wrote "KR-2 #569" on the receipt. I assumed that was the plans serial number. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:25:35 -0500 From: Bob Subject: Re: KR> KR "boat" for sale To: KRnet Message-ID: <4125530F.99336195@hcnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John....If it has not been sold..why not give the price on the net?? many of us would pass the word...bob John Bissonnette wrote: > > My partner and I have started a KR2S and now have decided to get rid > of it! We have Dan Diel wing skins never uncrated, Diel landing gear, > 2 Subaru engines( EA81, and EA82 that I picked up in Japan, and a few > other things. We can be reached in Dallas @ Dave 972-307-0695 or John > @918-434-2424. > > Have a nice day! > JB > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. 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