From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 81 Date: 5/22/2004 9:00:18 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: spar cap width (Mikko Nikunen) 2. CC-ing Heads (Orma) 3. Re: engine update (Mark Langford) 4. RE: Speed brake - Caution (Ray Fuenzalida) 5. Terra Transponder for sale on E-bay (Ross Youngblood) 6. Re: Terra Transponder for sale on E-bay (Orma) 7. RE: Speed brake - only then will I know how much I need it or not. (Dan Heath) 8. Re: Terra Transponder for sale on E-bay (Ross Youngblood) 9. ELT Antenna (Mark Jones) 10. Re: Terra Transponder for sale on E-bay (Orma) 11. Re: @SPAM+++ KR> ELT Antenna (gleone) 12. Re: ELT Antenna (Dan Heath) 13. Re: spar cap width (skphil@charter.net) 14. N541RY listed on E-bay (Ross Youngblood) 15. Re: ELT Antenna (cartera) 16. N541RY listed on E-bay (Ryan) 17. carbon fiber (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 09:22:36 +0300 From: "Mikko Nikunen" Subject: Re: KR> spar cap width To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002801c43fc5$2d3cc100$bc00a8c0@villevaltteri> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Ghris It's nice to hear voice of other KR-1 builder. I have been lonely wulf for years so my modification might be different than their are generally. I use RAF-48 in rooth wing and GAW-2 in outboard wing. There is one feet long area on the outboard wing where airfoil will change from RAF-48 to GAW-2 The reason why I am doing it this way is that I started built orginal KR-1 with short wings.Few years later I regonized that I don't have money to fly private lisence but there was chance make it to ultralight gategory so I desided to do wings according Ken Rand KR-1B plans. If I could start my project again, I will do one piece wing with gaw-2 airfoil, naturally with tapered shape. Orgonal attach fitting steel weight is around 10 lbs but one piece wing can be attached to fuselage with four bolts. How far you are with your KR? How you have attached your shouder seatbelts and what kind of landing gear you are going to use? BR: Mikko riginal Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: KR> spar cap width > In a message dated 5/21/2004 8:13:09 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > edpseaman@yahoo.co.uk writes: Outer spars taper to 1" in plan view and > 11/16 in side view (front view) > > > Well, Which airfoil are you using? If I had it to do over again I > would make > my spar caps thicker at the root on the outer wings and the center all > the way > across. this would allow for plenty of meat and make locating the wing attach > fitting easier. > > > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 19:17:02 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> CC-ing Heads To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000001c43ff2$05f081e0$bd34d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello net Today I finished the CC process on my heads. I started by rechecking the CC's before making any cuts to the heads. after I finished now have 50.6, 50.7, two at 50.8 and one at 50.9. The pistons each hold 2cc. The last part is to check the deck height and order a set of copper gasket from Geers Engineering. They require a 7 day turn around time. Bummer. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 08:57:29 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> engine update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <151501c44004$b94e74b0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry Severson wrote: > Is there any specific height above the cylinders that the plenum needs > to have for proper cooling aIr flow? 1", 4"??? Maybe, but I don't know what it is. I'd think that 3" or 4" would be best. If you used 1", the air would be pretty hot by the time it got back to the rearmost cylinder. I used the Jabiru engine's plenum as a rough guide, and it's probably 3" or 4" overall. Close enough for KR work. Building an oil cooler shroud today. Back to sanding urethane foam and glassing! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:49:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: RE: KR> Speed brake - Caution To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040522174901.72565.qmail@web42006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The discussion on belly boards is interesting. I have one set for my project but just like the Cessnas and Beechcraft I have flown, I can land a plane with no flaps. It's just a shallower landing angle and you use a little more runway. But just like they always say, " It's better to have some equipment and not need it than vice versa". When (one day in the distant future) I get flying, only then will I know how much I need it or not. Ray Ronald Metcalf wrote: I would be very carefull using the speed brake for anything other than just that - slowing the bird down. The speed break (as such) has no effect on the pitch of the aircraft - it's like coasting down hill with a bit of handbrake applied - your car would need a steeper hill to keep the speed up (avoid slowing down too much). The more effective the slowing down effect is (drag), the more YOU change the attitude of the airplane (point the nose down) to maintain your chosen approach speed - result, a steeper approach. We must not confuse the speed brake with a split flap such as on a Cessna 401/401 /421. In this case the flap is under the wing where any of the popular lift theories will apply. A belly board is not complimented with a cambered surface. I am really interested in the rationale behind the holes in the belly board - I always figured that they created serious turbulence /vortexes (vortexi?) and thus produced more drag than I plan surface. I have some difficulty in perceiving that they in any way reduce the load (strain) on the flap /mounting /linkage. Someone said they had it on good authority that the purpose was to kill any lift. WWII birds ha holes in spoilers above the wing - what were those for? Great topic withy much to learn - I hope more info is posted. Have a great weekend Enjoy Mr Flesner - I envy you. Ron _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.htm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:55:59 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR> Terra Transponder for sale on E-bay To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 There is a Terra Transponder TR250 for sale on E-Bay for $15.00 so far. Mine cost me about $1200-1500 new. Of course I don't know if the E-bay one works, and it doesn't come with a mounting tray or manuals. If it is working it seems like a steal. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:35:48 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Terra Transponder for sale on E-bay To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c4402b$9a98e7e0$bd34d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Terra Transponder TR250 for sale on E-Bay Do you have a good Ebay address for the Terra Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:24:50 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Speed brake - only then will I know how much I need it or not. To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40AFA902.000001.01864@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am neither pro nor con to the flaps or belly boards. The only reason that I would not install either, is because of the weight, complexity, time to build, more moving parts to break, and least of all, cost. Other than that, and that I flew the Little Beast in and out of short, paved and grass fields, there is no reason why I would not install either or both. And it is not even Friday... Happy building. There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:32:01 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> Terra Transponder for sale on E-bay To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 Sorry about that... I ment to include it. It is item 2479637657 ($15.50) A Ebay search for Terra, turned up another XPONDER for $800.00 Same unit but with a battery setup for a hot air baloon... that one originally sold for $2500. On Sat, 22 May 2004 14:35:48 -0400, Orma wrote: > Terra Transponder TR250 for sale on E-Bay > > Do you have a good Ebay address for the Terra > > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:18:53 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> ELT Antenna To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <002101c4403a$00ec8d40$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is there ant reason not to mount the ELT antenna inside of the fuselage vs having it mounted external? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:18:45 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Terra Transponder for sale on E-bay To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c44042$6018e540$bd34d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "It is item 2479637657 ($15.50)" The Item is currently 152.50, The seller says "as is" and only states that the face plate is in excellent condition. He never says that it even works. , He says as removed, Be Careful Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:22:43 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: @SPAM+++ KR> ELT Antenna To: Message-ID: <40AFC4A3.000001.03216@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As long as you don't use carbon fiber on the fuselage, you'll be fine mounting any or all of your antennas inside the airframe. When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be surprised if they learn their lesson. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 05/22/04 14:56:49 To: KR Net Subject: @SPAM+++ KR> ELT Antenna Is there ant reason not to mount the ELT antenna inside of the fuselage vs having it mounted external? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:28:59 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> ELT Antenna To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40AFC61B.000006.01864@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mine was inside on the Little Beast and passed inspection. In fact, it was fixed to the ELT. Unless you have carbon fiber, you should be OK. There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 05/22/04 16:56:52 To: KR Net Subject: KR> ELT Antenna Is there ant reason not to mount the ELT antenna inside of the fuselage vs having it mounted external? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 22:25:41 +0000 From: Subject: Re: KR> spar cap width To: KRnet Message-ID: <200405222225.i4MMPftY029233@mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Edward. Stupid question... Is the height of the root end of the outside spar the same as the height of the center spar? From what I can tell it is. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama > > From: Edward Seaman > Date: 2004/05/21 Fri PM 03:12:27 GMT > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> spar cap width > > Outer spars taper to 1" in plan view and 11/16 in side > view (front view) > > For what it is worth, I think that is crazy - reduces attachment area > for wing surfaces (skins). Mine will taper in front view only - > constant 1-15/16 thickness in plan view for max glue area. > > Need the rear spars? > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:09:33 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR> N541RY listed on E-bay To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 Howdy Netters... My KR has just been listed on E-bay as Item # 2479793898 If you know someone who is interested in a KR project, have them take a look. This one will go for thousands less than I have put into it. The Cessna Cardinal needs to be fed! -- Regards Ross -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:22:39 -0600 From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> ELT Antenna To: KRnet Message-ID: <40AFEECF.2020305@cuug.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Mark and Netters, None what so ever, no need for outside mounting. I had 3 antennae inside, transponder, com and ham all inside. Com and ham were 1/4 wave dipoles and the txpdr sat in the vertical on a 1/4" plywood epoxied to a cross member half way down to the rudder. Still flying today the same! Happy Flying! Mark Jones wrote: >Is there ant reason not to mount the ELT antenna inside of the fuselage >vs having it mounted external? > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:00:28 -0700 From: "Ryan" Subject: KR> N541RY listed on E-bay To: Message-ID: <006801c44061$56d63220$ea174b42@san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How much does it weigh? Ryan KR> N541RY listed on E-bay a.. From: Ross Youngblood (view other messages by this author) b.. Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:13:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Howdy Netters... My KR has just been listed on E-bay as Item # 2479793898 ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:16:59 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> carbon fiber To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was looking online yesterday for good prices on carbon fiber and found this site. http://www.advancedcompositetraders.com/inven.html They have style 282 cloth for $12.50 a yard. I checked in my last years Aircraft Spruce catalog and they had 282 cloth for $25.75 a yard. This years catalog has it for $16.50 a yard. This seemed strange so I looked in Wicks and they have 282 cloth listed at $28.20 a yard and they also have a C282 commercial grade cloth for $17.19 a yard. I am assuming that the online source and ACS, at least this year, carry the commercial grade. Would anyone happen to know what the difference is? Seems that the commercial grade is 5.8 oz and the other is 5.7. I know that the commercial grade is stronger and lighter than glass so I am assuming that for a KR that there is realy no reason to go with the other type that is over twice the cost. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Ross Youngblood Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 7:10 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> N541RY listed on E-bay Howdy Netters... My KR has just been listed on E-bay as Item # 2479793898 If you know someone who is interested in a KR project, have them take a look. This one will go for thousands less than I have put into it. The Cessna Cardinal needs to be fed! -- Regards Ross -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 81 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================