From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 82 Date: 8/21/2004 2:58:25 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Type 4 Engine Buildup/NO Prop (Phillip Matheson) 2. Diehl wing skins & stock spars (John Bouyea) 3. Re: Diehl wing skins & stock spars (Phillip Matheson) 4. Re: Ken and Larry (Martindale Family) 5. RE: Type 4 Engine Buildup (Stephen Jacobs) 6. Re: Type 4 Engine Buildup (StRaNgEdAyS) 7. RE: Boelube (Dana Overall) 8. Re: I don't plan to install the prop until after the engine will start and run full throttle. (Dan Heath) 9. RE: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday (Dan Heath) 10. Type 4 Engine Buildup (Orma) 11. Re: KR2S (Mark Jones) 12. Re: KR2S (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 13. KR2S for sale and props (garyains@kwic.com) 14. Oldest set of plans (w.higdon9604@comcast.net) 15. ROLL CALL (Mark Jones) 16. Re: ROLL CALL (Brian G. Douglas) 17. RE: KR2S (Jack Cooper) 18. Re: Oldest set of plans (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 19. Re: ROLL CALL (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 20. Re: KR2S (Duncan) 21. Type 4 Engine Buildup (orma@aviation-mechanics.com) 22. (no subject) (BRIAN DEMARKS) 23. Re: Blade angles Warpdrive (Martindale Family) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:28:01 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Type 4 Engine Buildup/NO Prop To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009b01c4873f$a14a3160$e497fea9@ralf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't plan to install the prop until after the engine will start and run full throttle. Orma --------- How will you cool the engine, and stop it from over running. A bloke in Aussie got a new VW engine and ran with out a prop, now it;s History, and has never been flown. Needs total rebuild. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 Kr Construction Web page http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:25:41 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR> Diehl wing skins & stock spars To: "KRNet" Message-ID: <000701c4873f$4d320670$a800a8c0@dell4600> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all. I disassembled the wings from one of my projects last weekend. I'm planning to build new spars this weekend and found an issue where I'd appreciate some help. The Diehl instructions say it is permitted to use the existing spars if they are already built. If they are not yet built, there are some modifications provided. The most significant (to me) is the width of the spar cap (as viewed from the top.) The stock outboard main spars measure 1 15/16" at the root and 1" at the tip. Quoted from KR2 plans book#65 serial #7097 The modifications call for 1 15/16" from the root all the way to the tip. Quote from the wing skin instructions: "This is stronger because of the increased contact area between the spar and the wing skin." Did this concern anyone else who used Diehl wing skins? John Bouyea KR2 - hanging the engine accessories KR2S - boat hanging from the rafters john_0310@bouyea.net www.bouyea.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:42:26 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Diehl wing skins & stock spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00cc01c48741$a484b100$e497fea9@ralf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John I made the new spars for my Diehl skins, ( old ones warped) as per Dans instructions, they are a bit heavier, but I'm told , much stronger. you must be carefull with the shaping of the top of the spar to match the curve on the skin, or it will show up when it is finished. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 Kr Construction Web page http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:21:18 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> Ken and Larry To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001b01c4874f$74aa4ae0$75a0fea9@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Something odd going on again. I sent it to Jeff Scott without any problem. I'll try deleting the .xls. Last time this issue arose, the respondent's server had my server on its list of SPAM sources and wouldn't allow anything from it to download. My server's administrators were told to contact the respondent's server directly at a special address to sort things out but when they tried they were still bounced and so gave up trying. This is all archived. Jeff, perhaps you could try and forward the file to Ken and Larry at the following: larry2@socal.rr.com kenbjones@cinci.rr.com One way or another we'll succeed. Sorry John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: Re: KR> Ken and Larry > I don't. If you're trying to send an Excel file, someone once told me > to drop the .xls from the file name. > > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martindale Family" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:03 PM > Subject: KR> Ken and Larry > > > > My emails are bouncing back as SPAM. I have had this problem before > > with > rr.com. Do you per chance have an alternative address. Sorry John > > > > The Martindale Family > > 29 Jane Circuit > > TOORMINA NSW 2452 > > AUSTRALIA > > > > phone: 61 2 66584767 > > email: johnjane@chc.net.au _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:59:52 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Type 4 Engine Buildup To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001001c4875d$4ba884a0$ce64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't plan to install the prop until after the engine will start and run full throttle. ++++++++++++++++++ Is it Ok to run the motor full taps without any load (or cooling)? Will it even hold an idle without a flywheel or prop (to act as a flywheel)? Good luck Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:26:20 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> Type 4 Engine Buildup To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <033a01c48760$ec6a0dc0$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All engines should be able to be hot run for testing with no ill effects. This testing may only be for a brief period, but in any case, any engine, espescially an air cooled one that will give up after a brief peiod of hot running should not be considered for an aircraft application. my 2c. :) Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: RE: KR> Type 4 Engine Buildup > I don't plan to install the prop until after the engine will start and > run full throttle. > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > Is it Ok to run the motor full taps without any load (or cooling)? > > Will it even hold an idle without a flywheel or prop (to act as a > flywheel)? > > Good luck > > Steve J > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:52:01 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Boelube To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Wendell Nicholson" > I am new to the newsletter and am not actively involved in building >a KR >just yet, but hope to soon. Just wanted to attest to the ability of this >product to aid in drilling and cutting just about any metal you might >desire. Good stuff, I use it on bolt threads and close tolerance bolt shafts. Avery Tools (do a search:-) carries the white chalks type for dirt cheap. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:02:41 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> I don't plan to install the prop until after the engine will start and run full throttle. To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41272BD1.000001.03204@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Orma, Don't you need the prop to act as a flywheel? "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:25:09 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41273115.000007.03204@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I look forward to seeing your video of the gear in action. What site will you post it on? "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 08/20/04 12:39:43 To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday KRnet, This is my first email to the group so I don't even know if it will work. I'm responding to questions on the retractable gear. I have a KR-2 with retractable tricycle gear. I just hung the plane last week and want to try and cycle the gear. When everything appears to be working, I'll video the gear and post on the web as an AVI file. I been on the KRnet for some time but haven't posted before. I live in Northern Virginia next to Leesburg Airport (JYO). Kelly McKee -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+kellymckee=adelphia.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+kellymckee=adelphia.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of gleone Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 5:15 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday I remember seeing a picture of a KR-2 with retractable tricycle gear. The problem is, I don't remember where. Anyway, if anyone else remembers seeing that picture and (hopefully when and where), you might want to track down the builder of that plane and ask how he/she did it. All I remember is it was within the last year or two. Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be surprised if they learn their lesson. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 08/05/04 14:52:51 To: krnet Subject: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday Hi KR heads As some of you know, I am working on a full retract tricycle gear on my rendition of a KR2S. Tonight I went to look at some wood for the forward outer spars at a friend of mine who is a very respected person in the experimental world over here. I was discussing the retract system with him and he brought up a point that I had not considdered at all. As my retract system requires that the bottom wing skin of the stubwings be split basically from root to outboard end in order for the gear to retract into the wing. This means that the bottom skin will no linger be continuous between the spars. My question is: What, if any, tortional loads does the skin carry under normal conditions due to forces applied by ailerons, etc. and what effect will the splitting of the skin in order to accomodate the gear have on wing strength. As a bit of background, my gear will consist of a 1.5" 4130 tube between the spars supported each end by a bearing mounted in a piece of aluminuim that bolts onto the spars by picking up the W.A.F bolts. To this tube will be another 1.5" tube welded at 90* to it forming the gear leg. At the bottom of this will be a trailing link arrangement with a damper. The tube between the spars will be mounted almost at the outboard end of the stubwings and the gear will retract towards the fuselage just clearing it to sit completely inside the wing. Any thoughts from those in the know will be greatly appreciated. Thank you next day: On a less serious note, I was fortunate enough to have had the "WHISPER" experience today. After work I was invited to go on a "test" flight for about half an hour down the coast here. This plane is remarkable. I was amased when Russell (the designer,builder &pilot) let go of the stick immediately as the tail came off the groung and the plane just took off and flew straight ahead in a steady climb all by itself! Takeoff roll was less than 80metres with a 13 knot headwind! Deploying the spoilers on final brings the glide slope from 28:1 down to 8:1, feels like the seat has fallen out of the bottom of the plane. For more info see my signature line. Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:52:59 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Type 4 Engine Buildup To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002201c48775$688a1620$442bd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "I don't plan to install the prop until after the engine will start and run full throttle." I see that my comment from yesterday stirs up images of an engine running wild with out controls and no cooling. Keep in mind that the engine is fully connected to the aircraft just as the previously one was. The throttle works, as does the CHT and for that matter the EGT. The 009 is easier to adjust without prop whizzing by your hand 500 times a minute. It is also easier to adjust the revflow without the prop. I don't plan to run past idle and I do plan to allow cooling time between run attempts. If I run past idle it will be to see if the engine will accelerate or if the engine chokes or starves. At the point I determine the it starts, will idle, and accelerate, the prop goes on. If I am skillful enough this morning I will have both the 009 and the magneto close enough to get the engine to fire. It should only take about a minute or two to set the 009. The magneto will be set statically before starting the engine. Finding Idle with the Revflow is a different issue. The needle I used on my 1910 cc may not work on the 2366, and if it does, it will probably need lots of adjustments before I find idle. Hell, the carb 34mm may be too small for the new engine. Anyway, the engine will run fine for the short runs. It's like starting a car engine after overhaul before you connect the radiator, you just can't let it keep running no matter how good it sounds. Now its coffee and off to the airport. There is a time for E mail and a time for trying to make it to the Gathering Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:02:44 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> KR2S To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c48776$c50757e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dick, You are a perfect fit for the 2S. Your eight and weight are no problem. Nor is your petite wife's size. Simple mods I recommend are 39" wide at the shoulders. Add 2" to each bay aft of the rear spar, Use the AS 5048 airfoil and tailfeathers. Install a corvair engine and you have one nice 2S. But, if your wife does not really plan to fly with you, build the 2S to plan specs and you will get in the air much faster. Any time you add modifications you increase your building time. When I started building in March 1998, I said I would be finished in two years. It is now 6 1/2 years later and I am still building because I made a lot of modifications. However, I do plan to fly this fall. If I were you, I would keep looking for one for sale. They are up for sale all the time. You just will not find one made exactly as you ask for. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Goff" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: KR> KR2S > Hi Netters, > Since I did not receive any offers from my previous ad, requesting a > KR2S "STRETCHED" project, I am "biting the bullet", and have just > ordered a set of KR2S plans. > Here are my problems. I am 6ft and 200 lbs. My Wife is 5'4" and 120 > lbs. I have never sat in a KR. Will I fit? I know I will have to widen > the fuselage. I am 75 years old and know I don't have too much > building time leff, and expect to be able to fly it when it is > finished. However I can devote full time to the project. > Here is my request. Send me all the modifications you think I should > incorporate in the construction of the KR2S, before I get started. All > will be considered. I plan on using the 2180 VW. I want it to be VFR > only. Being ex-military, I have paid my dues for Instrument AND night > flying. You may contact me off net at dcgoff@webtv.net. Thanks to all. > Dick Goff > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:54:15 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> KR2S To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040821.075828.2032.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Square the sides, Virg On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:15:33 -0500 dcgoff@webtv.net (Dick Goff) writes: > Hi Netters, > Since I did not receive any offers from my previous ad, requesting > a > KR2S "STRETCHED" project, I am "biting the bullet", and have just > ordered a set of KR2S plans. > Here are my problems. I am 6ft and 200 lbs. My Wife is 5'4" and > 120 > lbs. I have never sat in a KR. Will I fit? I know I will have to > widen > the fuselage. I am 75 years old and know I don't have too much > building > time leff, and expect to be able to fly it when it is finished. > However > I can devote full time to the project. > Here is my request. Send me all the modifications you think I > should > incorporate in the construction of the KR2S, before I get started. > All > will be considered. I plan on using the 2180 VW. I want it to be > VFR > only. Being ex-military, I have paid my dues for Instrument AND > night > flying. You may contact me off net at > dcgoff@webtv.net. Thanks to all. > Dick Goff > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:51:04 -0400 From: garyains@kwic.com Subject: KR> KR2S for sale and props To: Message-ID: <000001c4877d$89093400$9b24cdd1@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Contact magazine #77 had an ad for a KR2S project - I don't know if it has been sold yet. Also a 3100cc - Big Boy Corvair and a Subaru 2.2L new 'crate' engine with new RFI direct drive and ground adjustable prop ( Richard Allen Email: rnba@snowcrest.net ) . Also in 'Contact' is a propeller 'story/discussion' by Paul Lipps (Elippse Propeller) that might change some of your thinking about propellers. This is not an ad for Contact; just noting another information source Gary ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:02:25 +0000 From: w.higdon9604@comcast.net Subject: KR> Oldest set of plans To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <082120041402.3880.412755EE0003E84B00000F282200761438CBCFC0C702010B090708D299@comcast.net> Netters, Ken came out with the KR-1 in 1971, the first magazine article came out just after I got my income tax refund. I saw it and said wow, I wrote to Ken and ask if he had plans for sale. His reply was $25.00, so I sent him the money. My plans serial number was 69. A lot of people thought I should’ve gone the BD-5 route at the time. Guess I made the right choice. My Ex made sure I never built anything, even though I had most of the stuff to build the -1. The materials got donated to EAA Chapter 292 (home of the Noon Patrol) last year when I moved to Albuquerque. I’ve helped a friend build a KR-1, and helped with a bunch of other birds through out the years. I hope to get stared on something in the nest few years. Oh yes the original plans were a lot better than most of the $25.00 plans that were around back then. Bill Higdon ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:07:44 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> ROLL CALL To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <005101c48798$fe8abb20$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Any one who is flying their KR to the Gathering, Please reply letting everyone know. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:31:32 -0500 From: "Brian G. Douglas" Subject: Re: KR> ROLL CALL To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003001c487a4$b75565f0$5cd61840@youryk5cbmeeo8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I plan on being there but I have to drive. A ground loop and putting a training wheel on the front... Then a 6 week business trip just put me to far behind the power curve. With that said I will be available to shuttle people form KR hotel Central. Please some body give me a short ride before I try to fly mine again ;-) Thanks All Brian G. Douglas N8575C was a TD Killeen Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:07 AM Subject: KR> ROLL CALL > Any one who is flying their KR to the Gathering, Please reply letting everyone know. Thanks > > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:31:04 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> KR2S To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22004862119314796@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I take that you want to build as quick as possible and start flying as soon as possible. Build to plans so that you can use as many premolded parts as possible. Not the cheapest way to go but the fastest. Tom Crawford built an award winning KR using an many premolded parts as he could in 9 months. See it at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/barkley99/ I think that you and your wife will fit into the standard width KR. Come to the gathering and someone will let you sit in their KR to see how it fits, maybe you'll get a ride. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 8/20/2004 11:16:43 PM > Subject: KR> KR2S > > Hi Netters, > Since I did not receive any offers from my previous ad, requesting a > KR2S "STRETCHED" project, I am "biting the bullet", and have just > ordered a set of KR2S plans. > Here are my problems. I am 6ft and 200 lbs. My Wife is 5'4" and 120 > lbs. I have never sat in a KR. Will I fit? I know I will have to widen > the fuselage. I am 75 years old and know I don't have too much > building time leff, and expect to be able to fly it when it is > finished. However I can devote full time to the project. > Here is my request. Send me all the modifications you think I should > incorporate in the construction of the KR2S, before I get started. All > will be considered. I plan on using the 2180 VW. I want it to be VFR > only. Being ex-military, I have paid my dues for Instrument AND night > flying. You may contact me off net at dcgoff@webtv.net. Thanks to all. > Dick Goff > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:08:51 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Oldest set of plans To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040821.155338.3504.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My KR-1 Plans bought from Ken at Lakeland 1974. $20 and later updated to $25 set., Virg On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:02:25 +0000 w.higdon9604@comcast.net writes: > Netters, > Ken came out with the KR-1 in 1971, the first magazine article came > out just after I got my income tax refund. I saw it and said wow, I > wrote to Ken and ask if he had plans for sale. His reply was $25.00, > so I sent him the money. My plans serial number was 69. A lot of > people thought I should’ve gone the BD-5 route at the time. Guess I > made the right choice. My Ex made sure I never built anything, even > though I had most of the stuff to build the -1. The materials got > donated to EAA Chapter 292 (home of the Noon Patrol) last year when > I moved to Albuquerque. I’ve helped a friend build a KR-1, and > helped with a bunch of other birds through out the years. I hope to > get stared on something in the nest few years. Oh yes the original > plans were a lot better than most of the $25.00 plans that were > around back then. > Bill Higdon > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:27:43 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> ROLL CALL To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040821.142744.1004.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I intend to fly in, but may have to cancel depending on the knee surgeon's schedule. Yeah, same knee that kept me away from the gathering last year. Right now it looks like I'll be there. Jeff Scott On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:07:44 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > Any one who is flying their KR to the Gathering, Please reply letting > everyone know. Thanks > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:42:51 +1200 From: Duncan Subject: Re: KR> KR2S To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040822083703.03f3de78@styx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Virg, Sorry to chip in here, but I'm interested in your comment below to "square the sides". Do you mean by this that you'd have the sides of the fuselage perpendicular? If so, I can see the benefit of (1) easier construction of the boat (2) more spcious cockpit, but what about the aesthetic/aerodynamic effects of this wider frontal area? Can the wider floor plan be successfully tapered forwards to produce a pleasing shape? Seems to me this might look a little 'clunky'. Interested in hearing your views on this, and in hearing the views on any others who have tried this... Regards, Duncan ===================================== At 11:54 p.m. 21/08/2004, you wrote: > Square the sides, Virg Duncan of Devonport KR2-S (Plans: #9792, #1184) Auckland, New Zealand http://rtfmsoft.com/kr The KR Database: http://rtfmsoft.com/kr/html/login.php ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:37:01 -0400 From: Subject: KR> Type 4 Engine Buildup To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002d01c487c6$ff783980$ec9dd145@robbinsavm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The short answer is Not Yet. I had forgotten just how many details goes into hooking the engine up and getting it ready to run. A lot of time today was spent getting the two ignition systems statically set. I only had to pull 009 gear once, but the Magneto was a different story. The drive puck has five positions in which to install it on the back of the crank. It seems that I has to try each once twice to find an alignment with TDC. I also dissambled the turbine end of the turbo to check for junk and did manage to find some. I checked the fuelsystem for tightness. The new starter had to wired, because it was different then the old starter in that it has it's own solenoid. It is wired and ops checked to the cockpit switch. My battery is now on the charger for a 2 amp overnight top off. The starter seems to turn the engine good, however the second set of plugs is not installed. The engine is full of oil. Tomorrow or Monday I must wire the distributer, the magneto and the alternator if I can remember where all those wires go. I have a diagram which might still be accurate, if I did not make some mods and not update the darn thing. Well, it's time to go home. I may have to stay home tomorrow if it looks like a case of AIDS is developing. I hope all you builders had a productive day. No excuse for not going to the gathering. If you have, to give all your gathering blocking events a good excuse Orma L. Robbins A&P/IA KR-2 N110LR Southfield, MI ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: BRIAN DEMARKS Subject: KR> (no subject) To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040821214048.15511.qmail@web61201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings Everyone I have been considering building a KR aircraft for well over a year I finally ran into someone that was building one himself I find this little aircraft exciting I've ordered my plans and are counting the minutes until they arrive. I would however like to locate this person again. When I met him he was Flying a King Air 90 and flew into Lincoln New York to meet up with another pilot that needed some help to sharpen up his flying I spent the day at his invitation with them and got to see alot of interesting things that a airplane with the right pilot and skill can do I believe he is from York or the Gettysburg area in PA I only know his first name Tim if anyone who how I can reach him to discuss the KR please let me know Thank you all --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:28:31 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000001c487c9$6fe0db80$75a0fea9@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Agreed and the figures in the table I'm trying to post you match this equation. However, it is geometric pitch. The effective pitch has an additional component/vector related to the forward speed and opposing this is slippage. Good point about allowing for the width of the protractor. There ought to be an allowance (God knows how much) also for three blades since the airflow off the blade is encountered and disturbed by the next after only 120 degrees rotation rather than 180 in a two blade. Opposed to this are the points made by Colin with which I also agree. The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive > John, > > The Excel equation for finding the blade angle for a given pitch > setting in > inches is as follows: > > ANGLE = DEGREES(ATAN("pitch in inches"/(PI()*"diameter"))) > > "pitch in inches" is the desired pitch in inches. > "diameter" is 2 times the radius at which the angle is measured. Warp Drive > says to measure the blade angle with the protractor mounted at the > tip. However, the Warp Drive protractor actually measures a little > back from the > tip (when mounted flush with the blade tip), not exactly at the tip. Based > on Larry's information, when you mount the protractor at the tip, you > are measuring at 1/2" back from the tip, thus the need to use 53" rather than > 54" for "diameter". (This makes sense if the Warp protractor is 1 inch > wide, angle measurement 1/2" from the tip.) > > Based on this diameter adjustment (for the width of the protractor), > which I > had not previously accounted for, my pitch is 63.5" rather than 64.5" > with a > diameter of 58". Obviously, my pitch had to be set higher than > Larry's and > yours because I have a slower engine (rated at 2300 rpm). > > I agree with Larry in that the diameter of the prop has no effect on > pitch (in inches), but the diameter/radius where you are measuring > your pitch angle does affect the pitch (in inches) calculation. > > Ken Jones > N5834 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martindale Family" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:00 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive > > > > Larry > > > > Your prop is identical to mine at 3 blades and 54 inches. I'll try > > to > email > > you and Ken the WarpDrive > > chart in Excel that someone on the list supplied for a 2 blader. > > Thanks to > > that person whose name now eludes me...sorry. > > > > John > > > > The Martindale Family > > 29 Jane Circuit > > TOORMINA NSW 2452 > > AUSTRALIA > > > > phone: 61 2 66584767 > > email: johnjane@chc.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "larry severson" > > To: "KRnet" > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:06 AM > > Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive > > > > > > > Pitch is not related to diameter, but it is on a 54 in 3 blade > > > prop on a > > > Revmaster 2100D turbo. > > > > > > At 07:16 PM 8/19/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Larry, > > > > > > > >Is that based on a 53" diameter prop? > > > > > > > > > > I called Warp Drive. They gave me the figure of 18 degrees to > > > > > get 54 > > > >pitch. > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 82 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================