From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 86 Date: 8/23/2004 7:43:53 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Diehl spar dimensions (John Bouyea) 2. Engine problem - final chapter (Barry Kruyssen) 3. Re: (no subject) (larry severson) 4. Re: Looking for canopy (larry severson) 5. spar material (Steven Phillabaum) 6. Spar taper jig (Steven Phillabaum) 7. Spar taper jig (larry flesner) 8. Conventional Retract Gear for Sale (Wood, Sidney M.) 9. RE: flaperons (Jack Cooper) 10. Re: @CHECK++ KR> KR1B Plans (gleone) 11. Re: KR1B Plans (Mark Langford) 12. Re: KR1B Plans (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 13. RE: flaperons (Edward Seaman) 14. RE: flaperons (Edward Seaman) 15. Belly Board Air Brake (Mark Jones) 16. Mark Jones - Prop Bank (Bill Page) 17. RE: flaperons (Brian Kraut) 18. Prop Bank (Mark Jones) 19. Re: ROLL CALL (Kenneth B. Jones) 20. AOPA NACA article (Mark Langford) 21. Re: ROLL CALL (Mark Langford) 22. Re: ROLL CALL (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:22:08 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR> Diehl spar dimensions To: "'KRNet'" Message-ID: <000001c488c8$c9f2dd30$a800a8c0@dell4600> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan and All, I built my spars this weekend to the KR2S spec as I had already tapered my caps. When everything is ready I'll laminate the "taper waster" back onto the caps to get back to the original dimension (less the saw kerf.) If Dan Diehl says it can be done either way, I'm not going to worry about it. John Bouyea KR2 - hanging the engine accessories KR2S - boat hanging from the rafters john_0310@bouyea.net www.bouyea.net From: "danharris" Subject: KR> D D Wing Skins&Spars First, thanks to all for your responce. But I guess I have the same question as John Bouyea,I have the same stock Rand Robinson spars. Is there a remedy for the tapper, or do I build new outboard spars?| Help !!!!! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:24:50 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: KR> Engine problem - final chapter To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006501c488d1$85055c80$7000a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All, As you know I'm replacing my Hirth engine with Jabiru 2200. This weekend just gone I pulled the wings off and bought the aircraft home. I've removed and weighed everything from the firewall forward and the old retractable suspension. Now I'm just waiting for the new parts. I'm posting this so others may learn from my ill fortune. The reason why my Hirth is un-usable. ------------------------------------------------------- I can now discuss the cause of the problem as all issues have been resolved (I'm the one left holding the bag) My Hirth had only 10 hours and once it got hot was down on HP and would run rough. After 6 weeks trying to find an external problem (fuel, electrical, vacuum, etc) I pulled the engine and stripped it down looking for a vacuum leak internally. To my dismay I found rust on the front half of crankshaft. This bearings and the centre seal were very worn and totally unserviceable. The centre two con-rod small ends are also blued from over heating. The worn seal was allowing crank case pressure to leak between the front and rear chambers (remember the Hirth is a 2-stroke and thus pressurizes fuel/air mix in the crank case), thus causing the engine to run lean and cause over heating. Therefore I am up for a new crankshaft, seal, bearings and gaskets. AU$3500 to AU$4000. The vacuum leak was not evident when cold because the tolerances where closer when cold and the cold oil would help with the seal. The more I ran it the worse it got. The previous own had the Hirth for 4+ years while building the KR2. During this time the engine must have gotten moisture (water) in the crank case, causing the rust. I'm giving the previous owner the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know there was a problem when he sold it me. I didn't rebuild the Hirth because: 1. I couldn't get enough support during the 6 weeks of trial and error diagnostics. 2. I haven't found another Hirth engine user who is happy with their installation. What I learnt from the "experience" -------------------------------------------------- 1. If you are going to buy a second-hand engine pay second-hand prices (the engine was 4+ years old, even though it only had 2 hours on it when I got it, and mug me, paid near new price for it.) 2. If there is evidence of it sitting around for a while, tear it down and inspect before buying. 3. If you are buying something that is not common (the Hirths are not common in Australia), find someone serviced by the same dealer you'll have to use, that is satisfied with their engine and the dealer support. 4. It is real easy to spend money on aircraft :-) and my wife is very understanding. I've learnt, and now have moved on. I feel happier and safer with a tried and proven 4-STROKE engine. Regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:45:35 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: KR> Re: (no subject) To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040822223111.02946830@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:05 AM 8/20/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Your boat stage, is this the one for sale ?and how much? All the wood >and >foam and glass on mine are heavily UV damaged, I am shopping for a "boat >stage" You contacted me the same day that I decided to sell my KR2 project. My "boat has the tail surfaces and controls installed, along with the turtle deck, Dielh gear, wheels and hydrolic heel brakes, and a 14 gallon KR2S header tank. I also have a Dragonfly canopy mounted in a frame that is not yet attached to the boat. I addition I have 2 wings complete with 6 gallon tanks installed. The boat has a speed shop built 2180 with a 9 to 1 compression ratio that was checked out by the top shop in this area. They said that it will develop 90-100Hp at 3600 RPM. It also has the GP rear drive, red power coated engine mount, and and silver internal/external ceramic coated exhaust. All contribute more effective power. Available is a new Sterba 54X54 prop designed to work with the GP rear drive. I have started the aileron cut outs, but have not finished the work. I also have lots of instruments, including 4 A/S indicators. I can not get what I have in this project, but whatever I can recover will help. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:54:12 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Looking for canopy To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040822225341.02945cd0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:04 PM 8/22/2004 -0500, you wrote: > Hi, my grandfather is building a KR2 and recently dropped his > canopy and >cracked it. He's asked me to check around for anyone that would have an >extra or recommendations on where to get them. I have an extra standard KR2 canopy. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:21:58 +0000 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: KR> spar material To: Message-ID: <3948se$6hnvi3@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello netters, I became a Grandfather Saturday. Boy is he good looking. I have been hanging back until I updated my anti virus program. Its done. As far as KR. I used the material list as specified in the plans and Wicks list. Tried to purchase only the wood for the spars. Wrong. I now have to get the 7/8" material for the rear outer spar verticals. which I forgot. Also if you are building the new wings you WILL need more vertical material than listed. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, AL ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:31:17 +0000 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: KR> Spar taper jig To: Message-ID: <3948sc$6d0rnf@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have a spar taper jig I used to taper the 89.5 inch spars in the plan view. I can't seem to trash it. If someone wants it you can have it. (although you can make one in about one hour.) I might even bring it to the gathering and put it in the give-a-way pile. (Do we have one of those?) How many days? Steven Phillabaum Proud Grandpa in Auburn AL. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:15:19 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Spar taper jig To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040823091519.00798ca0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:31 PM 8/23/04 +0000, you wrote: >I have a spar taper jig I used to taper the 89.5 inch spars in the plan view. I can't seem to trash it. If someone wants it you can have it. (although you can make one in about one hour.) I might even bring it to the gathering and put it in the give-a-way pile. (Do we have one of those?) >Steven Phillabaum ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve, Congratulations on being a grandpa!!!!!!! Bring the jig to the Gathering and we'll find a spot. That goes for anyone else that has something to sell/trade. I can't commit to a table with someone watching the merchantdise 100% of the time but the KR bunch seems to be a pretty honest lot of folks. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:01:17 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: KR> Conventional Retract Gear for Sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a complete conventional retract gear for sale. Includes spring bar, gear legs, pivot brackets, up and down latches with micro switches installed, gear handle with single-hand release installed, and manual lock-down safety pin. The latches work smooth, slick and positive. All you need is spar bolts and wheels. I had the retract gear on the aircraft, ready to go, then replaced the retract with Diehl fixed tri-gear. Best offer over $200. Will bring the retract gear to the Gathering. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:53:01 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> flaperons To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22004812316531625@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Russ I was at one time thinking of a flaperon system but found I was using too much time and resources to accomplish it. That is when I decided to go with a plans aileron system and possibly a belly board. First thing to think of is that you will need additional downward travel of the ailerons to still have full aileron travel when both are extended as flaps. I don't think plans ailerons will allow this much travel so you will have to have wider gaps on the bottom of the wing to aileron. Langford style ailerons would probably work best. I think I have a drawing of the flaperon control that I was planning on using which consisted of torque tubes and a moveable (forward and rear) bell crank. I'll see if I still have it and post it to my website. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: francis fenlason > To: KRnet > Date: 8/22/2004 6:30:59 PM > Subject: KR> flaperons > > > > I would like to use flaparons(SP?). Does any one who has done it have > drawings as to how it is accomplished? Russ Fenlason > asiruss@702com.net > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:04:04 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: @CHECK++ KR> KR1B Plans To: Message-ID: <412A3FA4.000010.02004@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I bought the -1B supplement and I seem to remember they were $35 plus $5 shipping. I got them a few months ago but don't have the exact figures in front of me. I'm fairly certain the above is the correct amount, though. Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming "Whatever else history may say about me when I’m gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts. My dream is that you will travel the road ahead with liberty’s lamp guiding your steps and opportunity’s arm steadying your way." - Ronald Reagan -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 08/22/04 21:22:28 To: KRnet Subject: @CHECK++ KR> KR1B Plans Everyone-- I'm curious enough about the Kr1b plans to purchase a set(I already have the basic plans), but I can't find a price anywhere on the RR site. I tried the archives, but no luck. I thought I remembered Mark L saying he just mailed in a few bucks and got them. If anyone knows what I should do to get the plans, please let me know. Thanks alot. John Lindner _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:29:51 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re:KR> KR1B Plans To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00e901c48947$8fdb6520$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here's something I posted March 7th of this year on the KR1B that might help. ----------------------- I guess it's obvious from my recent posts that I've been thinking about the KR1-B Motorglider. One of the things I asked my FSDO rep a few weeks ago was "what defines whether an aircraft is a motorglider or not?". He didn't know, but when I offered up the formula that I mentioned a few weeks ago (ratio of empty weight divided by wingspan squared < .62) he said he'd never seen it, but it sounded good to him. He also said "if the plans maker calls it a motorglider, that just about clinches it". Keep in mind that the whole point of this exercise was the fact that you don't have to have a medical to fly a "powered glider", which is exactly what the KR1-B Motorglider is, by definition. What got me going on this was an article about the new Sonex motorglider in a recent magazine, where the author says he built it purely as an endrun around the medical, and it worked! Dana (or somebody) mentioned that some kind of paperwork would almost certainly be required. I'd think that somebody that knows they can't get a medical, but dearly wants to fly, would have the determination to be the first to prove the point by doing whatever it takes to get a KR1-B signed off as a motorglider. William Wynne mentioned yesterday that two British builders had become the first homebuilders (or even manufacturers) to get approval to fly a plane with only one set of spark plugs in their country. They did the research, proved that it was being done elsewhere, provided the necessary paperwork, and accomplished their mission. I think the KR1-B could be done the same way, although there may not be a problem at all with it, given the fact that one has already been built and flown, and it was 30 years ago. Going by what my FSDO said, I'll bet I could build one and fly it with no medical, no questions asked, but you definitely ought to check with your FSDO first. So, given the above info, I ordered a set of KR1-B plans myself last month, and got them yesterday. They are $35, plus $5 shipping from Rand Robinson. They include an instruction sheet and five large drawings. I've always wondered about the details, and found precious little information about them, and nobody willing to share much (more than a few words at a time). I also bought a set of never-used KR1 plans from Royce in South Africa, so I may be one of the few clowns that owns a full set of KR plans. My 1-B plans are number 411, which is, oddly enough, the number for "information". Here's the deal. A standard KR1 is where you start. You can buy one already built, and just build a new set of wings for it. It's probably based on a 1600cc VW engine, but an 1835cc is practically the same weight. Spars and RAF48 airfoil are the same as the KR1's stub wings, so you don't have to change a thing on the KR1 except add a flap handle if it doesn't have one. The new wings have an 8" transition from the stub wings' RAF48 to the -B's GA(W)-1 airfoil, and spars that are about 120" long, but thicker front to back. Construction is pretty much the same, with the exception of huge flaps and ailerons that look a lot like the ones on my KR2S, all located in the outer wings. Aileron actuation is by the stock bellcrank system, and then an "extender" pushrod running out to the start of the ailerons, and a new bellcrank out there. Flap extension is almost exactly like what I'm doing, except there's also a piano hinge added between the big hinge brackets. The neatest thing about the KR1-B wing is the flaps. They are a combination of flaps and spoilers, made possible by a very simple arrangement of the flap hinge pivot line. It's hard to explain, but the hinge line is at the bottom, and the gap to the top of the airfoil surface extends way forward, so that when the flaps go down, the top of the flap sticks up into the slipstream, and spoils the lift. Sort of like an upside down Frise aileron, but with a sharp edge rather than a rounded nose. I just love this concept, and it's so easy to do! Talk about glide control! See the info sheet at http://www.krnet.org/kr1binfo1.pdf for a few more details, and note the 38 mph stall speed (with flaps). And wouldn't that get you into the Sport Pilot category (yes, we've beat the Sport Pilot/medical horse already)? It should be noted that if you use the formula mentioned, you must keep the plane as light as humanly possible to keep it under .62, and in fact, I'd add a few more inches to the span for insurance. I asked Jeannette why she didn't even mention the KR1-B on her web page, and she said it was because it lived in a bit of a gray area and she wasn't sure if the FAA would look "askance" at somebody building one as a medical dodger. Judging from why my FSDO told me, that wouldn't be a problem for ME. I would think that a call to your FSDO would answer that question for YOU. So, you guys that are worried about your medicals, start looking for a used KR1 and build yourself some wings! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:58:54 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> KR1B Plans To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040823.155854.924.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about "Don't ask, Don't tell" Virg On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:29:51 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > Here's something I posted March 7th of this year on the KR1B that > might > help. > ----------------------- > > I guess it's obvious from my recent posts that I've been thinking > about the > KR1-B Motorglider. One of the things I asked my FSDO rep a few > weeks ago > was "what defines whether an aircraft is a motorglider or not?". He > didn't > know, but when I offered up the formula that I mentioned a few weeks > ago > (ratio of empty weight divided by wingspan squared < .62) he said > he'd never > seen it, but it sounded good to him. He also said "if the plans > maker calls > it a motorglider, that just about clinches it". Keep in mind that > the whole > point of this exercise was the fact that you don't have to have a > medical to > fly a "powered glider", which is exactly what the KR1-B Motorglider > is, by > definition. > > What got me going on this was an article about the new Sonex > motorglider in > a recent magazine, where the author says he built it purely as an > endrun > around the medical, and it worked! Dana (or somebody) mentioned > that some > kind of paperwork would almost certainly be required. I'd think > that > somebody that knows they can't get a medical, but dearly wants to > fly, would > have the determination to be the first to prove the point by doing > whatever > it takes to get a KR1-B signed off as a motorglider. > > William Wynne mentioned yesterday that two British builders had > become the > first homebuilders (or even manufacturers) to get approval to fly a > plane > with only one set of spark plugs in their country. They did the > research, > proved that it was being done elsewhere, provided the necessary > paperwork, > and accomplished their mission. I think the KR1-B could be done the > same > way, although there may not be a problem at all with it, given the > fact that > one has already been built and flown, and it was 30 years ago. Going > by > what my FSDO said, I'll bet I could build one and fly it with no > medical, no > questions asked, but you definitely ought to check with your FSDO > first. > > So, given the above info, I ordered a set of KR1-B plans myself last > month, > and got them yesterday. They are $35, plus $5 shipping from Rand > Robinson. > They include an instruction sheet and five large drawings. I've > always > wondered about the details, and found precious little information > about > them, and nobody willing to share much (more than a few words at a > time). I > also bought a set of never-used KR1 plans from Royce in South > Africa, so I > may be one of the few clowns that owns a full set of KR plans. My > 1-B plans > are number 411, which is, oddly enough, the number for > "information". > > Here's the deal. A standard KR1 is where you start. You can buy > one > already built, and just build a new set of wings for it. It's > probably > based on a 1600cc VW engine, but an 1835cc is practically the same > weight. > Spars and RAF48 airfoil are the same as the KR1's stub wings, so you > don't > have to change a thing on the KR1 except add a flap handle if it > doesn't > have one. The new wings have an 8" transition from the stub wings' > RAF48 to > the -B's GA(W)-1 airfoil, and spars that are about 120" long, but > thicker > front to back. Construction is pretty much the same, with the > exception of > huge flaps and ailerons that look a lot like the ones on my KR2S, > all > located in the outer wings. Aileron actuation is by the stock > bellcrank > system, and then an "extender" pushrod running out to the start of > the > ailerons, and a new bellcrank out there. Flap extension is almost > exactly > like what I'm doing, except there's also a piano hinge added between > the big > hinge brackets. > > The neatest thing about the KR1-B wing is the flaps. They are a > combination > of flaps and spoilers, made possible by a very simple arrangement of > the > flap hinge pivot line. It's hard to explain, but the hinge line is > at the > bottom, and the gap to the top of the airfoil surface extends way > forward, > so that when the flaps go down, the top of the flap sticks up into > the > slipstream, and spoils the lift. Sort of like an upside down Frise > aileron, > but with a sharp edge rather than a rounded nose. I just love this > concept, > and it's so easy to do! Talk about glide control! > > See the info sheet at http://www.krnet.org/kr1binfo1.pdf for a few > more > details, and note the 38 mph stall speed (with flaps). And wouldn't > that > get you into the Sport Pilot category (yes, we've beat the Sport > Pilot/medical horse already)? It should be noted that if you use > the > formula mentioned, you must keep the plane as light as humanly > possible to > keep it under .62, and in fact, I'd add a few more inches to the > span for > insurance. > > I asked Jeannette why she didn't even mention the KR1-B on her web > page, and > she said it was because it lived in a bit of a gray area and she > wasn't sure > if the FAA would look "askance" at somebody building one as a > medical > dodger. Judging from why my FSDO told me, that wouldn't be a > problem for > ME. I would think that a call to your FSDO would answer that > question for > YOU. So, you guys that are worried about your medicals, start > looking for a > used KR1 and build yourself some wings! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML at hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:14:17 +0100 (BST) From: Edward Seaman Subject: RE: KR> flaperons To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet Message-ID: <20040823201417.30601.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Jack Cooper wrote: > Russ > I was at one time thinking of a flaperon system > but found I was using too > much time and resources to accomplish it. That is > when I decided to go with > a plans aileron system and possibly a belly board. > First thing to think of > is that you will need additional downward travel of > the ailerons to still > have full aileron travel when both are extended as > flaps. I don't think > plans ailerons will allow this much travel so you > will have to have wider > gaps on the bottom of the wing to aileron. Langford > style ailerons would > probably work best. I think I have a drawing of the > flaperon control that I > was planning on using which consisted of torque > tubes and a moveable > (forward and rear) bell crank. I'll see if I still > have it and post it to > my website. > > Jack Cooper > > > > [Original Message] > > From: francis fenlason > > To: KRnet > > Date: 8/22/2004 6:30:59 PM > > Subject: KR> flaperons > > > > > > > > I would like to use flaparons(SP?). Does any one > who has done it have > > drawings as to how it is accomplished? Russ > Fenlason > > asiruss@702com.net > > > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:22:37 +0100 (BST) From: Edward Seaman Subject: RE: KR> flaperons To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet Message-ID: <20040823202237.63817.qmail@web25304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Flaperons on a short coupled, low wing aeroplane with very little dihedral is definitely NOT a good idea. Why? Not me that wants to do this so not my function to defend the crazy notion - give me your logic and I will reply. Eddie ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:59:24 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Belly Board Air Brake To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <00b901c48964$d601e5c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here is a link to my new web page on my Belly Board Air Brake. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/bellyboard.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:54:36 -0500 From: "Bill Page" Subject: KR> Mark Jones - Prop Bank To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008801c48974$ee054170$02d594d0@youryk5cbmeeo8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My VW engine was given to me by a friend in So. Mississippi. It came with a prop on it. The engine was originally in a KR1. I have a Sterba (?) 54 x 54 prop on this engine now. (length & pitch subject to change). I am not sure what the length and pitch of the old prop is as it is at the airport and I am here. I will be glad to donate this prop to the Prop Bank. I know I will not be able to use it on my present KR2. The rpms are too high at full throttle. I can give further details tomorrow. Bill Page bpage@netdoor.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:24:33 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> flaperons To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You need to be very carefull with flaperons. I would suspect that the KR would be very susceptible to a spin if you had flaperons. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't take the chance without having someone that knows what they are doing take a look at it. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Jack Cooper Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:53 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> flaperons Russ I was at one time thinking of a flaperon system but found I was using too much time and resources to accomplish it. That is when I decided to go with a plans aileron system and possibly a belly board. First thing to think of is that you will need additional downward travel of the ailerons to still have full aileron travel when both are extended as flaps. I don't think plans ailerons will allow this much travel so you will have to have wider gaps on the bottom of the wing to aileron. Langford style ailerons would probably work best. I think I have a drawing of the flaperon control that I was planning on using which consisted of torque tubes and a moveable (forward and rear) bell crank. I'll see if I still have it and post it to my website. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: francis fenlason > To: KRnet > Date: 8/22/2004 6:30:59 PM > Subject: KR> flaperons > > > > I would like to use flaparons(SP?). Does any one who has done it have > drawings as to how it is accomplished? Russ Fenlason > asiruss@702com.net > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:22:42 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Prop Bank To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <018901c48981$3c85ba80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have taken the reigns on the prop bank. If you have a prop you wish to donate to the prop bank, please let me know. I will inventory the props here at my house and will ship and track each one as it is shipped out. This will work kind of like a library with a required, refundable deposit on the prop. So, if you have a prop you would like to donate to the prop bank please let me know. The alternative to me keeping the prop here is to put your name on a list as a supplier of a loaner prop and when someone contacts me needing a prop, I will connect the person with you and you and him can make the arrangements. I prefer to inventory and track the props from here as I feel it would be a much more reliable system. Any thoughts are welcome. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:24:00 -0400 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> ROLL CALL To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <080a01c48981$6aa41060$647ba8c0@oemcomputer> Before I answer, will there be an award for the ugliest KR? If yes, and I get my time flown off, I'll fly my KR to the gathering, because I'm sure I'll win. Ken Jones N5834 23.8 hrs and counting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: KR> ROLL CALL > Any one who is flying their KR to the Gathering, Please reply letting everyone know. Thanks > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:32:37 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> AOPA NACA article To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02f801c48982$ada768c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One of the EAA members was telling me the other night that the "current" issue of AOPA magazine had an article that basically called into question the NACA duct as compared to other atlernatives. I looked in both the August and September issues, and didn't see any such article. Anybody know what he was talking about, and where it could be found? Lap belts installed, working on the shoulder belts... Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:37:27 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> ROLL CALL To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02fd01c48983$5a8911b0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ken Jones wrote: > Before I answer, will there be an award for the ugliest KR? If yes, > and I get my time flown off, I'll fly my KR to the gathering, because > I'm sure I'll win. Earlier today I was wondering what it would take for the probably large group of KR owners who don't have "show quality" planes to show up at the Gatherings. My only thought was to promise that I won't be laughing at ANY KR that flies in, because you're already way ahead of me, have demonstrated a rare determination to actually finish one of these things, and are probably a motherlode of KR building and piloting experience. So please, bring it on, and bring along any other KRs that you find along the way. We'll see who wins "ugliest" when I fly mine in next year with no paint on it yet... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:46:27 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> ROLL CALL To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01a301c48984$8dc060a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This will be the words expressed when I show up with mine..."that baby uuuugly, I wouldn't want that baby, that baby ugly." But I don't care cause I am proud and I will fly mine to the next gathering. Ugly or not. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: Re: KR> ROLL CALL > Ken Jones wrote: > > > Before I answer, will there be an award for the ugliest KR? If yes, > > and I > > get my time flown off, I'll fly my KR to the gathering, because I'm sure > > I'll win. > > Earlier today I was wondering what it would take for the probably > large group of KR owners who don't have "show quality" planes to show > up at the Gatherings. My only thought was to promise that I won't be > laughing at ANY > KR that flies in, because you're already way ahead of me, have demonstrated > a rare determination to actually finish one of these things, and are > probably a motherlode of KR building and piloting experience. So > please, bring it on, and bring along any other KRs that you find along > the way. > > We'll see who wins "ugliest" when I fly mine in next year with no > paint on it yet... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 86 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================