From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 88 Date: 5/29/2004 9:00:12 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: First Flight (Brian Kraut) 2. Re: First Flight (LJHusky1@wmconnect.com) 3. Re: First Flight (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Re: KR> Motivation (videobob@tds.net) 5. Re: Re: KR> Motivation (Mark Langford) 6. Re: Simple things (Dan Heath) 7. Re: First Flight (Ray Fuenzalida) 8. RE: Re: KR> Motivation (Brian Kraut) 9. RE: Re: Simple things (Brian Kraut) 10. First Flight (larry flesner) 11. Re: Re: Simple things (Timothy Bellville) 12. too many KRs (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 00:32:28 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> First Flight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And let me be the second. Have a ball and keep the blue side up. Give us some more details when you get a chance. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Phillip Matheson Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:21 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> First Flight Friday May 28, 2004 I taxied my KR-2S to the end of runway 15 at the Plattville airport, checked for traffic, turned around, pushed the throttle in and took off. I climbed to 3000' ------------- Joe Let me be the first to congratulate you. well done, how big was the smile on you face when you landed.??? All the best with your new toy. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 01:40:52 EDT From: LJHusky1@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR> First Flight To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1e3.219f3635.2de97c64@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" CONGRATS JOE!!!!!!!!! I CAN DREAM OF THE DAY I AM WRITING THIS EMAIL!!! Larry Husky ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 06:02:18 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> First Flight To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40B85FAA.000003.02600@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Way to go Joe! I look forward to the flight reports. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 19:55:04 +0000 From: Subject: Re: Re: KR> Motivation To: KRnet Message-ID: <200405291955.i4TJt5oQ005335@outbound3.mail.tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mark, Whoooaa. I feel my head swelling. Careful or folks might expect too much. Your words and Jack Coopers really are very kind. I'm glad to know that my work gives so many, such great pleasure. Building a KR requires a lot of motivation. The Videos are one way to get it. Your website and all the others provide me with a lot of motivation. When I get down, I check out the websites to see who is doing what. I check KRNet each day. You just have to get to the KR Gathering each year. It's all motivating, and being the humans we are, we need motivation. This years KR Gathering will be the best in a decade. Larry has gotten his plane done and the last pictures are finally in his awesome builder book. Mark Jones will be flying (right?) and the Langford Corvair Special will be there too. (right?) Okay guys, here's the pitch. You can miss Sun 'n Fun and you can miss Oshkosh, but you just have to make it to the KR Gathering. It's absolutely the best event you can get to every year. Don't miss it. If you need some motivation in the form of videotape or DVD, get in touch with me by emailing me off KRNet. I'll see what I can do to pick up your KR spirits. VideoBob videobob@tds.net > > From: "Mark Langford" > Date: 2004/05/27 Thu PM 09:53:59 GMT > To: "KRnet" > Subject: Re: KR> Motivation > > Jim Sellars wrote: They are downright excellent videos, with much higher > quality than one would expect. He's truly a professional, and we're > lucky to have him show up and video these things for us... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:42:06 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: Re: KR> Motivation To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <034001c445c5$c9c98e80$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Video Bob wrote: >the Langford Corvair Special will be there too. (right?) The jury's still out on that one. If I keep taking forever to do seemingly simple jobs like my oil cooler ductwork, I may NEVER finish! I built it once (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/oil_system/04052918m.jpg ), but it just really won't work that way (I couldn't install it once the cooler was inside and the hose couldn't be routed to it as I'd planned). Kinda looks like a headless goose, doesn't it? It was a great plan....air from the inlet goes in the top of the stock Corvair cooler mounted to the wall, and then then NACA duct on the bottom helps suck the warm air right out under the plane. There's a recent picture of the engine installation at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/04051806m.jpg . So now I'm about to glass up another one but it won't be quite so elegant. Once that's done, I'll be very close to firing the thing up. I'm also working on an airfilter/heatbox, which isn't exactly trivial stuff either. At least I get Monday off, so there's a bonus. I just totalled it up, and I'm up to 4500 hours over a 10 year period (as of yesterday!). Every year I plan to take afternoons off and really finish it off (since I have over 7 weeks of vacation saved up). And I manage to do it for about three days, then something comes up and I'm busy as I can be at work, and that dream goes out the window. Things are either about to slow down some or get really busy (depending on what contracts we get or don't get), so it could still go either way. If I do make it, it'll be in primer with no wheelpants or interior. Either way, I'll be there for sure, but N56ML may or may not be there. One thing's for sure...you won't find it for sale on ebay! In other news, I have about 35 landings in a Champ, so I'm on my way to getting a tailwheel endorsement. Now, back to the couch... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 18:13:04 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Re: Simple things To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40B90AF0.000001.03072@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Simple things do take much longer than expected. I thought that I was going to paint the exterior (right side up) of the plane today. Instead, I spent all day, 9 am to 6pm, just now finished, with a lunch break, just getting it ready for paint. However, everything, even the paint being stirred, is ready for tomorrow. I had hoped to get the wings also, this long weekend, but probably will only get one side of them and do the other side during the week. Jerry and I are planning to turn it over on it's back next weekend for painting the bottom, finishing the interior and doing most of the wiring and plumbing. But, who knows, it may be July and ................ NOT. As I go over the plane, especially when I washed with the pre-painting cleaner, I see little imperfections and my instinct is to fix them, so, I just start humming my mantra................ "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." and all is well again. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> First Flight To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040529230039.65848.qmail@web42007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cool. I am so jealous. Ray --- Phillip Matheson wrote: > Friday May 28, 2004 I taxied my KR-2S to the end of > runway 15 at the > Plattville airport, checked for traffic, turned > around, pushed the throttle > in and took off. I climbed to 3000' > ------------- > Joe > Let me be the first to congratulate you. well done, > how big was the smile on > you face when you landed.??? > > All the best with your new toy. > > > Phillip Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > Australia > VH PKR > See our engines and kits at. > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > See my KR at Mark Jones web > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 19:02:18 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Re: KR> Motivation To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some day I need to look in the shed behind Langford's house. I bet there are enough first and second, in some cases, third attempts in there to put together a few complete KRs. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 5:42 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: Re: KR> Motivation I built it once, but it just really won't work that way ... So now I'm about to glass up another one but it won't be quite so elegant. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 19:07:52 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Re: Simple things To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I should just keep my mouth shut, but I will open it anyway for the benefit of those that have not preped the top of their planes for paint yet. There are a few good reasons for painting the bottom first. 1. You get practice on a side no one will see. 2. If you ding a painted surface while flipping the plane it will be a surface no one will see. 3. You will have to mask the entire top side when you pain the bottom if you do the top first. If you do the bottom first you can get away without masking it when you do the top. Don't mean to say you are doing something wrong, just giving my philosophy after painting one already. Keep in mind that you will have so much fun flying that you will wish you let al of the little imperfections go and started flying months sooner. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:13 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Re: Simple things Simple things do take much longer than expected. I thought that I was going to paint the exterior (right side up) of the plane today. Instead, I spent all day, 9 am to 6pm, just now finished, with a lunch break, just getting it ready for paint. However, everything, even the paint being stirred, is ready for tomorrow. I had hoped to get the wings also, this long weekend, but probably will only get one side of them and do the other side during the week. Jerry and I are planning to turn it over on it's back next weekend for painting the bottom, finishing the interior and doing most of the wiring and plumbing. But, who knows, it may be July and ................ NOT. As I go over the plane, especially when I washed with the pre-painting cleaner, I see little imperfections and my instinct is to fix them, so, I just start humming my mantra................ "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." and all is well again. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 19:04:02 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> First Flight To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040529190402.0085c730@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Friday May 28, 2004 I taxied my KR-2S to the end of runway 15 at > the Plattville airport, checked for traffic, turned around, pushed the throttle in and took off. > FLYS GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Joe Weber +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONGRATULATIONS JOE !!!! Keep us posted with your progress. My first flight happened recently enough that I can still remember the feeling. I logged another first today with my KR also. My first flight with a passenger! I took my youngest daughter (24) as the first passenger. I have photos of her when she was ten years old playing in the "boat" with her friends. A tip for you flyers or soon to be flyers that I got from a friend of mine with a Q-200. He has been flying it for 18 years now and has 1300 hours on the airframe. Since he started carrying passengers he has kept a diary and each passenger has to make an entry after a flight in his airplane. I'm in there somewhere. My daughter started my diary today and I hope to fill the book before I quit. YEE HAA................. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 23:29:06 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Simple things To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000e01c445f6$43b2d000$602b4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree Brian,and I am in the process of doing it myself. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: RE: KR> Re: Simple things > I should just keep my mouth shut, but I will open it anyway for the benefit > of those that have not preped the top of their planes for paint yet. > > There are a few good reasons for painting the bottom first. > > 1. You get practice on a side no one will see. > > 2. If you ding a painted surface while flipping the plane it will be a > surface no one will see. > > 3. You will have to mask the entire top side when you pain the bottom if > you do the top first. If you do the bottom first you can get away without > masking it when you do the top. > > Don't mean to say you are doing something wrong, just giving my philosophy > after painting one already. > > Keep in mind that you will have so much fun flying that you will wish you > let al of the little imperfections go and started flying months sooner. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Dan Heath > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:13 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> Re: Simple things > > > Simple things do take much longer than expected. I thought that I was going > to paint the exterior (right side up) of the plane today. Instead, I spent > all day, 9 am to 6pm, just now finished, with a lunch break, just getting it > ready for paint. > > However, everything, even the paint being stirred, is ready for tomorrow. I > had hoped to get the wings also, this long weekend, but probably will only > get one side of them and do the other side during the week. > > Jerry and I are planning to turn it over on it's back next weekend for > painting the bottom, finishing the interior and doing most of the wiring and > plumbing. But, who knows, it may be July and ................ NOT. > > As I go over the plane, especially when I washed with the pre-painting > cleaner, I see little imperfections and my instinct is to fix them, so, I > just start humming my mantra................ > > > > "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for > building has long since expired." > > > > and all is well again. > > > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 23:52:00 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> too many KRs To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Being the KR fanatic I am, I now have more KRs than I know what to do with. One is taking up more garage space than I have and I need to sell it. Here is the scoop: Seems to be stretched about 9 and widened about 2". I will get more accurate measurements if anyone is interrested. Is currently a tri gear with Diehl like main gear with hand laid up fiberglass legs. Has Diehl nose gear and wheel and tire included. The plane currently has Cleveland wheels and Matco brakes and master cylinders installed. The wheels and brakes are one of the main reasons I bought the plane so I could take them off and put them on my 2S. I would leave them on if I got another $700 for the plane so I could replace them or I would replace them with a set of Azusa wheels and Lamb tires and mechanical brakes that I have. The fusalage is relatively done and has deck cloth on the plywood. The tail feathers are done and need very minor filling and sanding. Removable turtle deck and forward deck are done and need minor filling and sanding. Firewall is done and stainless is already applied. There is a new Great Plains engine mount already installed. Center stick is installed and aileron cables installed. Elevator control is Langford style with push tube from stick to a bellcrank, then cables to an aft bellcrank and push pull tube to elevator. Only control cables need to be installed and I have the parts to finish that off if wanted. The elevator is internally ballanced. There is a cowling that needs just a little more glass work. It is not a premold. Wing spars are done and attach fittings are installed. I have a new set of Diehl skins also. There is a very nice belly board installed. It recesses perfectly flush with the belly when retracted. There is a nice lightweight motorized actuator already installed. The wings are also built for split flaps in the stub sections. The flaps still need to be built, or the bottome could just be glassed if they were not wanted. The turtle deck and canopy are unique. The turtle deck is removable and is low profile. It is made for a full bubble style slider canopy. The canopy frame is made and needs some finish work. The slide frames are made and need a little more work. The fixed windshield is made and just needs to be glassed on and the upper frame made. There is a completed fiberglass mold for blowing the rest of the bubble. If someone wanted to use gull wing doors instead of the slider they could blow the plexiglass bubble with the mold then use the fiberglass and foam mold as a premolded frame for the rest of the canopy. That is what I would do if I finished the plane. Electric elevator and rudder trim are already installed. The rudder is completely finished and installed and is smooth and already primed. There is a very nice tail light molded on the aft of the rudder. The bottom side of the elevator and stab are smooth and primed. There is a wood instrument installed and cut for gauges already. There is a very nice ventilation system installed with NACA ducts for inlets and molded in air passages leading to nice adjustable vents on either side of the instrument panel. The forward deck is done and is removable. A foam mold for a fuel tank is already done. I may finish off the tank this weekend. Rudder pedals are installed. There are nice nylon fairleads installed all te way back for the rudder pedals. The cables could be installed in a few hours. There is no seat yet, but I may make one this weekend. How much I want for the plane depends on how soon someone wants it. If someone wants to buy it right now I want $1,000 with the Azusa wheels and mechanical brakes and $1,600 for the wing skins. If I don't sell it soon I will finish the fusalage get it primed and finish off the wings and ask more. I am also willing to split it up and sell off parts. Email me if interrested at brian@engalt.com or call me at 904-536-1780. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 88 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================