From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 88 Date: 8/24/2004 1:54:58 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Ground Clearance (Barry Kruyssen) 2. Re: Ground Clearance (Phillip Matheson) 3. Re: Ground Clearance (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Prop Bank (Dan Heath) 5. ROLL CALL (larry flesner) 6. Ground Clearance (larry flesner) 7. Belly Board Air Brake (larry flesner) 8. Re: Belly Board Air Brake (Dan Heath) 9. Re: Belly Board Air Brake (Mark Jones) 10. Kitplanes - 20 most influential (rparker) 11. Re: Prop Bank (Mark Langford) 12. RE: ROLL CALL (Jim Faughn) 13. Re: ROLL CALL (Mark Langford) 14. Re: ROLL CALL (Orma) 15. Re: Ground Clearance (Orma) 16. Re: Australian KR2S plans (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 17. Fwd: [Q-LIST] Battery -starting (larry severson) 18. the FAQ is back (for now anyway) (Steve Eberhart) 19. Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed (Mark Jones) 20. RE: Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed (Mark Jones) 21. Re: Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed (Miles Humphrey) 22. Re: Prop Bank (Jack Cooper) 23. RE: Prop Bank (Mark Jones) 24. Re: KR1B Plans (BABYWOLF@aol.com) 25. engines (Ray Fuenzalida) 26. KR2 project for Sale on ebay (Simon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:49:01 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: KR> Ground Clearance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <019401c48995$ae6a48f0$7000a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" With my new gear and engine setup I have a calculated 13in (325mm) ground clearance for the prop whilst in the flying attitude. Is this enough for a tail dragger? What would be the minimum ground clearance on a grass strip? Should my thrust line be the top of my longerons? Thanks Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:34:01 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Ground Clearance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007801c4899b$f6a5be50$9d96dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Barry I'm not a tail dragger KR man, but have heard that 10 inches is about right ???????? Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:30:09 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Ground Clearance To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <412B0AA1.00003A.02828@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is this enough for a tail dragger? If in flying attitude, it doesn't matter if it is tri-gear or tail-gear. I have read 9" minimum here on the net. You could search the archives for the discussion on this subject. Should my thrust line be the top of my longerons? Yes. There has been a lot of discussion on that issue as well. If you search the archives you will find that it is not exact. That is where I want mine to be. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:38:48 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <412B0CA8.00003C.02828@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, I think a prop bank where one person handles it and has the stock is the best way to go. This person will have everything organized and be familiar with inventory, packing, shipping, and handling the financial issues. Otherwise, it will be hit or miss. What we need is one of those ground adjustable so a person can tweak it until they find out what they really need. What about spending the cash in the fund on one of those to start with and get a deposit big enough to cover the replacement each time. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:52:27 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> ROLL CALL To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040824045227.007cca40@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Before I answer, will there be an award for the ugliest KR? If yes, >and I get my time flown off, I'll fly my KR to the gathering, because >I'm sure I'll win. Ken Jones +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bring in on Ken, we'll be the judge of ugly or not. Nothing that flies is considered ugly in my book. Even a buzzard is beautiful in the air. Your KR would not be the only one to go home without a trophy. Only one KR wins the "best KR" award and I'm expecting mine to be a "looser" too so you can park next to me. See you at the Gathering. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:02:50 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Ground Clearance To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040824050250.007cce30@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:49 PM 8/24/04 +1000, you wrote: >With my new gear and engine setup I have a calculated 13in (325mm) >ground clearance for the prop whilst in the flying attitude. >Is this enough for a tail dragger? >What would be the minimum ground clearance on a grass strip? Should my >thrust line be the top of my longerons? Barry Kruyssen +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I was probably the one that posted the 9" ground clearance that Dan mentioned. I seem to recall that's what our FAA is looking for as a minimum. It sounds like you're in great shape. I'm thinking I have about 10 or 11 inches and I've flown into and out of some pretty tall grass. The more spring you have in your gear, the more clearance you need to start with to allow for those hard landings. Thrust line at top longerons (or close) is probably about right. It's not brain surgery critical. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:23:25 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Belly Board Air Brake To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040824052325.007c8a90@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:59 PM 8/23/04 -0500, you wrote: >Here is a link to my new web page on my Belly Board Air Brake. >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/bellyboard.html >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark, Do you know what the weight of the unit is? I might decide to trade my big heavy Cessna flap motor for a much lighter one. That would lighten my wallet also so it could be a win/win situation in the weight catagory. Also, an observation on your installation for those that haven't gotten to that point yet. I'm not throwing rocks here but trying to add to the information base. I'm thinking your mounting of the belly board is a bit of an overkill in the weight area. My speed brake, 9"X30", is mounted to the floor immediately behind the rear spar. I reinforced the floor with a piece of spruce, approx 1 or 1 1/2 inches wide from bottom longeron to bottom longeron and 1/4" thick. I used 5 each 3/16" bolts through this piece to mount the piano hinge to the bottom of the KR. My setup is nearly identical to yours and the brake deploys to near 90 degrees. I have 87 hours on the KR now and the brake has been fully deployed on all but one landing and no problems. My brake is 1/4" foam with spruce hard points on the lead edge and motor attach point. The piano hinge is floxed to the brake and I have a number of 1" (approx) holes in the brake. The edges are somewhat feathered and there is an "air ramp" just ahead of the piano hinge to help streamline the assembly. I think there are pictures on the KRnet web page with my project. How many days to the Gathering??????????? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:36:11 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Belly Board Air Brake To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <412B1A1B.000001.02288@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry, How much difference is there, landing with and without the board deployed? "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:56:28 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Belly Board Air Brake To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002d01c489c9$02726620$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry, I did not weigh it but I think it would be very close to one pound. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 5:23 AM Subject: KR> Belly Board Air Brake > At 05:59 PM 8/23/04 -0500, you wrote: > >Here is a link to my new web page on my Belly Board Air Brake. > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/bellyboard.html > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Mark, > > Do you know what the weight of the unit is? I might decide to trade > my big heavy Cessna flap motor for a much lighter one. That would > lighten my wallet also so it could be a win/win situation in the > weight catagory. > > Also, an observation on your installation for those that haven't > gotten to that point yet. I'm not throwing rocks here but trying to > add to the information base. I'm thinking your mounting of the belly > board is a bit of an overkill in the weight area. My speed brake, > 9"X30", is mounted to the floor immediately behind the rear spar. I > reinforced the floor with a piece of spruce, approx 1 or 1 1/2 inches > wide from bottom longeron to bottom longeron and 1/4" thick. I used 5 > each 3/16" bolts through this piece to mount the piano hinge to the > bottom of the KR. My setup is nearly identical to yours and the brake > deploys to near 90 degrees. I have 87 hours on the KR now and the > brake has been fully deployed on all but one landing and no problems. > > My brake is 1/4" foam with spruce hard points on the lead edge and > motor attach point. The piano hinge is floxed to the brake and I have > a number of 1" (approx) holes in the brake. The edges are somewhat > feathered and there is an "air ramp" just ahead of the piano hinge to > help streamline the assembly. I think there are pictures on the KRnet > web page with my project. > > How many days to the Gathering??????????? > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:14:43 -0500 From: "rparker" Subject: KR> Kitplanes - 20 most influential To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040824111443.6478.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nice to see Ken Rand finally got some recognition for developing the KR. This months Kitplanes continues to list the 20 most influential people of the homebuilt industry. Unfortunately its listed as an "industry" I happen to think that all homebuilt airplanes are descendants of the KR. Even those darn RV's, - however they just lost a chromasone somewhere along the line - RV-4 compared to a F4U Corsair ? come on! Sorry - Dana I cant resist. Rich Parker Peterborough, NH rparker@wwhotspots.com http://theparkers.wwhotspots.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:45:07 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013c01c489cf$cdddb070$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan wrote: > What we need is one of those ground > adjustable so a person can tweak it until they find out what they > really need. The problem with most ground adjustable props is that the twist on the blade remains the same, and the entire blade is twisted to adjust the pitch. That makes them less efficient than a properly done fixed pitch prop, so the two are somewhat of an apple and orange affair when it comes to comparisons. Plus, they tend to be more massive than the VW can stand (according to GPASC), and $550 wouldn't buy one anyway. People occasionally volunteer to do things on KRnet, but rarely do they follow up with action. I feel sure Mark will take this thing and make it happen. I'm just too selfish with my time to do it right now. We might think about collecting prop bolts and crush plates too, as they tend to be expensive just to try a prop of a different thickness. I don't think it would be out of the question to charge thirty to fifty bucks or so for the privilege of borrowing a prop, just to keep the fund financed, and maybe to offer as an incentive for people to turn their props over to total strangers. There are still details to work out, and I'm sure Mark will handle it well. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:53:33 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: RE: KR> ROLL CALL To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000801c489d0$fb8ad880$25d75540@jfaughn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am going to weigh in with Mark. I have seen KR's for over 20 years now and I have only seen one that I was embarrassed for the group to have on a ramp. I personally believe that every person that has a flying KR is a WINNER! I have learned something from every person that is flying and building a KR. I'll see you at the Gathering with your Winning KR. Jim Faughn 891JF -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:37 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> ROLL CALL Ken Jones wrote: > Before I answer, will there be an award for the ugliest KR? If yes, > and I get my time flown off, I'll fly my KR to the gathering, because > I'm sure I'll win. Earlier today I was wondering what it would take for the probably large group of KR owners who don't have "show quality" planes to show up at the Gatherings. My only thought was to promise that I won't be laughing at ANY KR that flies in, because you're already way ahead of me, have demonstrated a rare determination to actually finish one of these things, and are probably a motherlode of KR building and piloting experience. So please, bring it on, and bring along any other KRs that you find along the way. We'll see who wins "ugliest" when I fly mine in next year with no paint on it yet... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:03:32 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> ROLL CALL To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c489da$c28e5480$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Troy Petteway and N100TP will be there. He usually gets caught up in last minute work (if you can call flying a brand new Citation Bizjet "work") and manages to miss them, but this year he scheduled the jet to be in the shop during the Gathering, so he has a room reserved and he'll be there! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:11:09 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> ROLL CALL To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c489db$d34034a0$442bd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" award for the ugliest KR? I'll probably also qualify for that award. But, many years ago I said I have never received an ugly call from a KR builder or flyer. Only the onlookers and want a bee's. Who don't have the talent or balls to do what it takes to get one in the air. Orma, Putting the prop on today ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:16:59 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Ground Clearance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c489dc$a4068e40$442bd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" minimum ground clearance My KR has an original RR fixed gear (Some Say Grove) and my ground clearance with a 54" prop was 8". As long as the sod is mowed, there is plenty of clearance. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:15:01 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Australian KR2S plans To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040824.092204.680.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii RR has a set that she will put your name on, for a price however, Virg On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:13:26 +1000 "Bavington, John" writes: > Greetings all. > I am looking for a set of unwanted KR plans, with the 2S > supplement. > If anyone has a spare set they don't intend to use, and are > hopefully not too far from Melbourne (yes, the one in Australia) > please let me know. > Thanks, > John (VH-KRT reserved). > > John Bavington > Data Specialist > TAAATS Data Management Unit > Phone: 9235.7357 E-mail:john.bavington@airservicesaustralia.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Airservices Australia > Ph 1300 301 120 (within Australia) > Ph +61 2 6268 4111 (outside Australia) > Fax +61 2 6268 5683 > www.airservicesaustralia.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:51:16 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: KR> Fwd: [Q-LIST] Battery -starting To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040824065002.0295df30@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sounds like a great deal from the Q list. >I wanted to alert you guys to a new style of battery. New to me at >least. A friend with a 200HP PItts turned me onto these things. > >They are called AGM (absorbent glass mat). They are lead acid >batterys but they use fiberglass in between the plates. You can deep >discharge em with no problem. This one weighs 15 lbs and provides 680 >amps of cranking power. It should last 5 years, is totally sealed, is >tiny, Battery Dimension: 7.0" Long x 3.0" Wide x 6 9/16" High. > >I just put one in my Q and it cranks over great. > >Search ebay for *PC-680, a guy in Miami sells em for $35.50 ! > >Mike (no connection to the battery guys, just like a good thing) Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:22:40 -0500 From: Steve Eberhart Subject: KR> the FAQ is back (for now anyway) To: KRnet Message-ID: <412B4F30.8010606@newtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I was digging through some of my archived stuff and ran across the KRNet FAQ that I used to host. Well, I put it back on the server so it is available again at http://www.newtech.com/project_viking/ It has been a number of years since it was last updated but there is still a lot of good info there. Check out Rick Junkin's Test Flight Plan in Chapter 11 and be sure to read Dr. Dean's article "Is Building an Airplane Hazardous to your Health?" in Chapter 2. Also, Richard Mole's articles on cooling in Chapter 9. A lot of good stuff here. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:02:14 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: KR> Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed To: KR Net Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902B1A@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain NTSB Identification: CHI04CA190. The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Public Inquiries 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Thursday, July 15, 2004 in Lake Elmo, MN Aircraft: Selby Dean KR-2-SS, registration: N299DS Injuries: 1 Uninjured. CHI04CA190 On July 15, 2004, at 1330 central daylight time, an experimental amateur-built Selby Dean KR-2-SS, N299DS, owned and piloted by a private pilot, received substantial damage on impact with terrain during final approach to runway 32 (2,850 feet by 75 feet, asphalt) at Lake Elmo Airport (21D), Lake Elmo, Minnesota. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The 14 CFR Part 91 personal flight was not operating on a flight plan. The pilot was uninjured. The local flight originated from 21D at 1200. The pilot stated that he made two full stop landings at the airport prior to the accident approach. He noticed the winds buffeting slightly. At 50 feet above ground level, the right wing was hit with a severe updraft gust, almost inverting the airplane. He applied full power, and the left wing tip struck the ground. The wreckage was located about 100 yards from the approach end of runway 32. The St. Paul, Minnesota, Automated Surface Observing System, located 9 nautical miles southwest of 21D, recorded at 1253 - wind 270 degrees at 7 knots and at 1353 - wind 240 degrees at 7 knots. There were no wind gusts recorded on the day of the accident Mark Jones ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:05:47 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902B1B@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain I should have mentioned that I do not think Dean Selby was the pilot. If not mistaken, he sold his KR. Mark Jones -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jones [mailto:Mjones@muellersales.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:02 AM To: KR Net Subject: KR> Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed NTSB Identification: CHI04CA190. The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Public Inquiries 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Thursday, July 15, 2004 in Lake Elmo, MN Aircraft: Selby Dean KR-2-SS, registration: N299DS Injuries: 1 Uninjured. CHI04CA190 On July 15, 2004, at 1330 central daylight time, an experimental amateur-built Selby Dean KR-2-SS, N299DS, owned and piloted by a private pilot, received substantial damage on impact with terrain during final approach to runway 32 (2,850 feet by 75 feet, asphalt) at Lake Elmo Airport (21D), Lake Elmo, Minnesota. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The 14 CFR Part 91 personal flight was not operating on a flight plan. The pilot was uninjured. The local flight originated from 21D at 1200. The pilot stated that he made two full stop landings at the airport prior to the accident approach. He noticed the winds buffeting slightly. At 50 feet above ground level, the right wing was hit with a severe updraft gust, almost inverting the airplane. He applied full power, and the left wing tip struck the ground. The wreckage was located about 100 yards from the approach end of runway 32. The St. Paul, Minnesota, Automated Surface Observing System, located 9 nautical miles southwest of 21D, recorded at 1253 - wind 270 degrees at 7 knots and at 1353 - wind 240 degrees at 7 knots. There were no wind gusts recorded on the day of the accident Mark Jones _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:17:03 -0500 From: "Miles Humphrey" Subject: Re: KR> Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c489f5$cb6986e0$03c595d0@eil2h> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since no gusts were recorded, maybe it was a gust going the other way, (lack of airspeed under the left wing) that allowed the left wing to drop. Or a gust where the plane was but not in the vicinity of the recorder. Happened to me on a runway between trees on a windy day-90 degree bank in half a second and a second later rightside up as if nothing happened. I changed my underwear later.. Miles Humphrey Parkersburg, Iowa ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones To: 'KRnet' Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: RE: KR> Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed > I should have mentioned that I do not think Dean Selby was the pilot. > If not > mistaken, he sold his KR. > > Mark Jones > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Jones [mailto:Mjones@muellersales.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:02 AM > To: KR Net > Subject: KR> Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed > > > NTSB Identification: CHI04CA190. > The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please > contact Public Inquiries > 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation > Accident occurred Thursday, July 15, 2004 in Lake Elmo, MN > Aircraft: Selby Dean KR-2-SS, registration: N299DS > Injuries: 1 Uninjured. > CHI04CA190 > On July 15, 2004, at 1330 central daylight time, an experimental > amateur-built Selby Dean KR-2-SS, N299DS, owned and piloted by a > private pilot, received substantial damage on impact with terrain > during final approach to runway 32 (2,850 feet by 75 feet, asphalt) at > Lake Elmo Airport > (21D), Lake Elmo, Minnesota. Visual meteorological conditions > prevailed at the time of the accident. The 14 CFR Part 91 personal > flight was not operating on a flight plan. The pilot was uninjured. > The local flight originated from 21D at 1200. > > The pilot stated that he made two full stop landings at the airport > prior to > the accident approach. He noticed the winds buffeting slightly. At 50 > feet above ground level, the right wing was hit with a severe updraft > gust, almost inverting the airplane. He applied full power, and the > left wing tip > struck the ground. > > The wreckage was located about 100 yards from the approach end of > runway 32. > > The St. Paul, Minnesota, Automated Surface Observing System, located 9 > nautical miles southwest of 21D, recorded at 1253 - wind 270 degrees > at 7 knots and at 1353 - wind 240 degrees at 7 knots. There were no > wind gusts recorded on the day of the accident > > > > Mark Jones > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:43:48 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220048224164348968@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Are you accepting contributions to the prop bank and where do we send the money, check, paypal? Thanks Mark for doing this. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Dan Heath > To: krnet@mylist.net > Date: 8/24/2004 5:38:48 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank > > Mark, > > I think a prop bank where one person handles it and has the stock is > the best way to go. This person will have everything organized and be > familiar with inventory, packing, shipping, and handling the financial > issues. Otherwise, it will be hit or miss. What we need is one of > those ground adjustable so a person can tweak it until they find out > what they really need. What about spending the cash in the fund on one > of those to start with > and get a deposit big enough to cover the replacement each time. > > > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the > time for building has long since expired." > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:22:08 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> Prop Bank To: "'kr2cooper@earthlink.net'" , 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902B1C@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain Money donations for the prop bank are welcome. Checks or money orders can be sent to : Mark Jones 615 Wexford Circle Wales, WI 53183 PayPal is accepted also. My account is: flykr2s@wi.rr.com Thanks' Mark Jones Mueller Sales Corporation Ph: 262-781-5310 Fax:262-781-4130 E-mail: mjones@muellersales.com Web: www.muellersales.com -----Original Message----- From: Jack Cooper [mailto:kr2cooper@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:44 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank Are you accepting contributions to the prop bank and where do we send the money, check, paypal? Thanks Mark for doing this. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Dan Heath > To: krnet@mylist.net > Date: 8/24/2004 5:38:48 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Prop Bank > > Mark, > > I think a prop bank where one person handles it and has the stock is > the best way to go. This person will have everything organized and be > familiar with inventory, packing, shipping, and handling the financial > issues. Otherwise, it will be hit or miss. What we need is one of > those ground adjustable so a person can tweak it until they find out > what they really need. What about spending the cash in the fund on one > of those to start with > and get a deposit big enough to cover the replacement each time. > > > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the > time for building has long since expired." > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:03:19 -0400 From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR1B Plans To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <729D0303.1B90D768.00625FCA@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 A Guy in ABQ has attached two model aircraft jet engines (15 to 20lbs thrust) to is sail-plane to make it self launching and self sustaining.As I understand it the engines are reliable and are made in part from auto engine turbos. Sure would make a neat sound for your KR1B Garry Cowles Santa Fe NM ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:31:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: KR> engines To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040824203131.19021.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just have a question for the group. I bought 2 Corvair engines from Larry's Corvair shop in California. Then I bought William Wynne's book. Yeah, I know I did it the wrong way. The problem and question is this: The engines they sent me are both 145 cid engines. One from 1960, one from 1963. William Wynne says you need the 164 cid engines. They even had the 95 and 110 horse power versions, but that didn't matter. After the rebuild they were all even. But, what about the 145 cid engines? Are they equally usable? Will the horsepower reduction be an insurmountable problem? The bores seem to be the same, can I just increase the stroke? Have I just been screwed? Do I now own 2 big paper weights? The annoying part is that Larry, with whom I spoke personally, knew that I wanted them for an aviation application. Already sent a note to William Wynne and am awaiting his response. In the interim, any ideas? Also, the prop bank is a great idea. I suggest we take up a collection at the gathering. See you in about a month. Ray --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:53:36 +0100 From: Simon Subject: KR> KR2 project for Sale on ebay To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20040824225336.02c204a8@pop3.web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Group, a friend of mine, Scott Devlin, died on Jun-16 in a midair collision close to Olympia / WA in a C210 . He was running the FBO in Grove Field/Camas ( 1W1 ). To help his wife out of debt, we are currently selling his tools, supplies and his KR2 project. The auction for his KR2 will start today at 8 PM pacific with the item#2488003604 . I hope we will get a fair price to support his children. Everybody who wants to place a bid: good luck for you. And fly safe. Thanks Ralf Simon ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 88 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================