From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 272, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Control tubes (Rick Wilson) 2. Re: Aileron Differential Movement (Phillip Matheson) 3. Re: Control tubes (Norm Seel) 4. kr2S photos of canopy (Ross Evans) 5. Ballast weight / heavier engines (larry flesner) 6. Re: KR update (Joseph H Horton) 7. Landing gear (Brian G. Douglas) 8. Re: Landing gear 9. Re: tailwheel (kevin) 10. Updates (Colin & Bev Rainey) 11. Re: Training Quandry, can KR's have dual pedals and sticks? (larry severson) 12. Want to buy a KR2 (Sylvio Ratelle) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:16:07 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR>Control tubes Message-ID: <20040106001607.73204.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Sid, I'll do my best to explain how mine is set up. I'll get some pictures in a few days and you will see it's really quite simple. First, the stick is mounted through a cutout slot in the top and bottom of a piece of 2-1/8" aluminum round tubing-1/8" wall thickness. The slot has flat aluminum pieces welded in the sides of the slot on the bottom side, with flat pieces welded on the top side of the tube with tabs that stick up about 1/2" above the top surface of the tube. These tabs are drilled for a pin with brass bushings. The stick is pinned through these tabs so it can pivot fore and aft. The stick extends through the slot in the bottom of the tube and slides against the flat plates on the sides. When the stick is rotated side to side, it rotates the large tube side to side also. The stick is mounted approximately 1" back from the front end of the tube. There is a smaller piece of tubing welded to a flat plate and bolted through the front spar.The larger tube is slid over the end of the smaller one and rotates around it. The push-pull tube for the elevator is pinned to a fork at the control stick and fits inside the large tube. At the aft end of the large aluminum tube There is an aluminum plate with a hole in the center large enough to allow the push -pull tube to slide through it. The push-pull tube goes to a bellcrank mounted just behind the rear spar, where the elevator cables are attached. The flat plate that is welded to the rear of the large tube has control tabs that are at the top and bottom. The aileron push-pull tubes are attached to the tabs with rod ends and go to the aileron bellcranks in the stub wings.There is a collar welded around the large aluminum tube in front of the rear spar, Before the aluminum plate was welded on, There was a piece of tubing welded to another flat plate and holes drilled in the flat plate to bolt through the rear spar from the back side,This was slid over the larger tube before the last plate was welded on to the rear of the tube. You simply bolt the first flat plate on the aft side of the front spar, Then slide the big tube through the rear spar and slip it over the tube at the front spar. The flat plate at the aft side of the rear spar is then bolted to the rear spar and the aluminum tube is captured between them. It rotates side to side and the stick pivots fore and aft. I hope you understand all this.I know it sounds complicated but when you see the picture you can see how simple it really is. Rick Wilson. --- "Wood, Sidney M." wrote: > Rick, > Do you use a bell crank attached to the aft spar? > How do you keep the elevator movement at the stick > from coupling to the ailerons? > Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 > Mechanicsville, MD > sidney.wood@titan.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Wilson [mailto:rwdw2002@yahoo.com] > Sent: Mon 1/5/2004 12:09 PM > To: KRnet > Cc: > Subject: RE: KR>Control tubes > > > > Sidney, My KR2... It has aluminum > push-pull tubes to the ailerons, works very well. > I'll > try and get some pictures in the next few days if > anyone would like to see them. Rick Wilson. > --- "Wood, Sidney M." wrote: > > Steve, > > > > The 90-degree bellcranks would need > > modification to account for the diagonal control > > tube angle through the stub wing. > > Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 > > sidney.wood@titan.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Any one got a web page out there on a > design of > > using tubes instead of the cable system? > > > > Steve McGee > > Endeavor Wi. USA > > Building a KR2S widened. > > lmcgee@maqs.net > > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef name=winmail.dat > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:26:39 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Differential Movement Message-ID: <002101c3d3eb$c0cf6b20$5897dccb@ralf> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 I see the differential movement as being there to save using much rudder movement. But most certified aircraft need more rudder control, so why not use the rudder in your KR. and save using belcranks at all?? Only my view. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:46:01 -0800 From: "Norm Seel" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Control tubes Message-ID: <001a01c3d407$9afdf4e0$e6c12304@dslverizon.net> References: <20040106001607.73204.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 I'm anxious to see the pictures. Norm Seel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Wilson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: RE: KR>Control tubes > Sid, I'll do my best to explain how mine is set up. > I'll get some pictures in a few days and you will see > it's really quite simple. First, the stick is mounted > through a cutout slot in the top and bottom of a piece > of 2-1/8" aluminum round tubing-1/8" wall thickness. > The slot has flat aluminum pieces welded in the sides > of the slot on the bottom side, with flat pieces > welded on the top side of the tube with tabs that > stick up about 1/2" above the top surface of the tube. > These tabs are drilled for a pin with brass bushings. > The stick is pinned through these tabs so it can pivot > fore and aft. The stick extends through the slot in > the bottom of the tube and slides against the flat > plates on the sides. When the stick is rotated side to > side, it rotates the large tube side to side also. The > stick is mounted approximately 1" back from the front > end of the tube. There is a smaller piece of tubing > welded to a flat plate and bolted through the front > spar.The larger tube is slid over the end of the > smaller one and rotates around it. The push-pull tube > for the elevator is pinned to a fork at the control > stick and fits inside the large tube. At the aft end > of the large aluminum tube There is an aluminum plate > with a hole in the center large enough to allow the > push -pull tube to slide through it. The push-pull > tube goes to a bellcrank mounted just behind the rear > spar, where the elevator cables are attached. The flat > plate that is welded to the rear of the large tube has control tabs > that are at the top and bottom. The aileron push-pull tubes are > attached to the tabs with rod ends and go to the aileron bellcranks in > the stub wings.There is a collar welded around the large > aluminum tube in front of the rear spar, Before the > aluminum plate was welded on, There was a piece of > tubing welded to another flat plate and holes drilled > in the flat plate to bolt through the rear spar from > the back side,This was slid over the larger tube > before the last plate was welded on to the rear of the > tube. You simply bolt the first flat plate on the aft > side of the front spar, Then slide the big tube > through the rear spar and slip it over the tube at the > front spar. The flat plate at the aft side of the rear > spar is then bolted to the rear spar and the aluminum > tube is captured between them. It rotates side to side > and the stick pivots fore and aft. I hope you > understand all this.I know it sounds complicated but > when you see the picture you can see how simple it > really is. Rick Wilson. > --- "Wood, Sidney M." wrote: > > Rick, > > Do you use a bell crank attached to the aft spar? > > How do you keep the elevator movement at the stick > > from coupling to the ailerons? > > Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 > > Mechanicsville, MD > > sidney.wood@titan.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rick Wilson [mailto:rwdw2002@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Mon 1/5/2004 12:09 PM > > To: KRnet > > Cc: > > Subject: RE: KR>Control tubes > > > > > > > > Sidney, My KR2... It has aluminum > > push-pull tubes to the ailerons, works very well. > > I'll > > try and get some pictures in the next few days if > > anyone would like to see them. Rick Wilson. > > --- "Wood, Sidney M." wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > > The 90-degree bellcranks would need > > > modification to account for the diagonal control > > > tube angle through the stub wing. > > > Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 > > > sidney.wood@titan.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Any one got a web page out there on a > > design of > > > using tubes instead of the cable system? > > > > > > Steve McGee > > > Endeavor Wi. USA > > > Building a KR2S widened. > > > lmcgee@maqs.net http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef > name=winmail.dat > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > ===== > Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:16:24 +1000 From: "Ross Evans" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>kr2S photos of canopy Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_515c_50bc_23a8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_515c_50bc_23a8 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed HI netters here is some photos of my kr2s we have been building the canopy for 2 weeks over christmas I am hoping to fly about easter. my engine is a type 4 with fuel injection and reduction drive of 110hp Cheers Ross Evans brisbane australia flykr2@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------=_NextPart_000_515c_50bc_23a8-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:26:01 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Ballast weight / heavier engines Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040105192601.007c95c0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <20040104235133.6409.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 >The man I bought mine from added 17 lbs to the >tail.I'm just wondering if I can rearrange some things >and get rid of that. My battery is mounted just aft of >the seatback. It would be a long run for the cables >but I think if I move the battery to the tail I might >can lose the ballast weight. Thanks, Rick Wilson. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Two things. If you move your battery to the tail you can make battery cables using what I've heard called "welding cable". I bought mine at the local hardware store. It's basiclly the same cable use on electric welders. It makes great battery cable. I seem to recall it was #2 cable but I'm not sure. You will be able to tell by looking if it's the right size. Second thing. If you mount the battery ANYWHERE behind the seat you will want to make sure it is EXTREEMLY well anchored. I'd even suggest you secure a cable to the battery box and anchor it to the tailwheel mount hardware. In case of an accident you don't want a 20 to 25 pound projectile streaking through the cockpit enroute to it's final resting place. I'm hoping to get my prop back this week and be flying again by this time next week. I stopped by the hangar yesterday on the way back from Mt.Vernon (getting started on Gathering planning) and found a large puddle of gas under the left wing attach point. All indications are it is a fitting leaking and not a problem with the tank. I'll have to pull the left wing and re-do the fitting but if that's all it turns out to be I should have the problem corrected in two hours or so. Keep your fingers crossed. Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:32:20 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR update Message-ID: <20040105.203221.-502315.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Mark -- I didn't buy any of the bulbs at Auto Zone , I just happened to see them there. But thanks for I wasn't thinking either. I pulled my top cowl out of the mold tonight. It didn't turn out perfect but I'm happy with it. The carbon fiber sure is pretty. As it came out of the mold it weighs about 1 1/2 lbs. I may take it to work tomorrow so I can drive by the hanger to try it on for size. :-)-- Thanks - Joe On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:19:47 -0600 "Mark Jones" writes: > Joe, > Be sure and get the wide angle style LED bulb. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:07:08 -0600 From: "Brian G. Douglas" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Landing gear Message-ID: <002601c3d3f9$cdc6ef70$d8d31840@youryk5cbmeeo8> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: first-class Message: 7 Hi All Netters! and happy new year! For Sale a one piece landing gear for a tail dragger. Just the fwd spring gear, it has 55 inches between the axel mounts. It came with my KR2 that I bought a while ago and hope to fly within the month. $250 shipping included in the lower 48 UPS ground. any one interested please contact me off line or call 254-634-7934. Brian G. Douglas N8575C KR2 (TD) Killeen Texas 76542 Ps I think that it has been used, and it has the 12 spar mount holes drilled. Don't know for sure if that helps or hurts! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:31:32 EST From: BABYWOLF@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Landing gear Message-ID: <149.1fafed7c.2d2b7804@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 is this a grove gear other commercially made or is it home made? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:33:21 -0500 From: kevin To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040105213321.007dc780@pop3.wcoil.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Well said Oscar ,, I measured mine and all i need for a hint of some visibility is 4 more inches up in the back , same wheel just just a 3 inch bracket . But i will be sure to redo weight and balance . But as it looks the tailwheel axel will be exactly in the same place , and will just add 1 pound . Its unbelievable but with just a 3 inch rise ,i can actually see where i am going . with out really afecting any landing configuration or any real change on the angle attack of the wings,,, KevinAt 01:12 PM 1/5/04 -0600, you wrote: >Tim wrote- > >>I have one of those wheels on my work bench >>I'll take you up on your specs. > >Not sure what you said here, because if you have one on your work bench you= =20 >have the specs. But the unit measures almost exactly 6" overall diameter,= =20 >has an axle bore of 1/2" (I have an AN8 bolt on mine), slides into= tailwheel=20 >forks that are 2-1/2" apart, and weighs 2 lbs. 13 oz. on the old postal=20 >scale. I'll bet some of the shopping cart and inline skate wheels are less= =20 >than 1/4 that weight, but then again they are very small and very solid! > >>Do you know what the increse in moment is? > >Increase compared to what? Two pieces of information are missing: (1) what= =20 >is the weight of the tailwheel that it will replace, and (2) what is the=20 >distance from the tailwheel center to your C.G. datum. With that info, I= =20 >could tell you. There is so much variation between KRs that there is= really=20 >no standard distance, and probably no two KR "stock" tailwheels are alike. = =20 >Then there are various locations for datum that are commonly used for doing= =20 >C.G. calcs (tip of spinner, face of prop hub, firewall face, wing leading= =20 >edge- to mention but a few). > >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > >From: krnet-request@mylist.net >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 268, Issue 1 >Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:00:03 -0800 > >Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > krnet@mylist.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > krnet-request@mylist.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > krnet-owner@mylist.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." >Today's Topics: > > 1. WAF'S > 2. new address (Colin & Bev Rainey) > 3. Re: tailwheel (Timothy Bellville) > 4. tailwheel with picture (Timothy Bellville) > 5. Re: Was:Fwd Hinged Canopy Rigidity:Now Flox Filleting Trick > (Scott Cable) > 6. Re: Got my core (Justin) > 7. Firewall bulkhead fittings (John Bouyea) > 8. Re: Firewall bulkhead fittings > 9. our KRNet service (Oscar Zuniga) > 10. RE: our KRNet service (Dana Overall) > 11. KR2 Project for sale > 12. TXN 960 NAV/COM For Sale > 13. Re: our KRNet service (Mark Langford) > 14. header tanks (larry severson) ><< message5.txt >> ><< message7.txt >> ><< message9.txt >> ><< message11.txt >> ><< message14.txt >> ><< message16.txt >> ><< message18.txt >> ><< message20.txt >> ><< message22.txt >> ><< message24.txt >> ><< message26.txt >> ><< message28.txt >> ><< message30.txt >> ><< message32.txt >> >_______________________________________________ >See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > >_________________________________________________________________ >Expand your wine savvy =97 and get some great new recipes =97 at MSN Wine.= =20 >http://wine.msn.com > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:19:07 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: Subject: KR>Updates Message-ID: <007c01c3d40c$3a5d3970$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 Netters, Have been sporadically working on the KR during the holidays, but = hopefully we are now down to business. I cut open the tank yesterday, = and spent this evening installing the new sending unit mount that I made = Saturday for holding the unit down inside the header tank. I have sent = pics to Dan and when he gets a chance they will be on the site. It was = a unit that I acquired from JC Whitney, for $25 and is adjustable from = in tank depth to 27in. It comes with a matched gauge and mounting = hardware. I did not like the gasket and so I replaced it with one of my = leftover unused carb gaskets from rebuilds in the past. The original = with the kit was cork. I also bought an LED clearance light for my interior light at night and = have mounted it in the center of the canopy. It is plenty bright and I = may have to rig a shade to prevent it from being too bright, but there = is no missing the instruments! Best part: its was $10, and the cheapest = light anything from AS&S was like $80. =20 Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom serge.vidal@ate-international.com Tue Jan 06 02:45:37 2004 Received: from rissala173.outgw.tn ([193.95.17.173]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AdoiP-000HW9-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 02:45:37 -0800 Received: from tounes-22.ati.tn (tounes-22.ati.tn [193.95.66.22]) by rissala164.ingw.tn (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i06CZY8F024015 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:35:34 -0100 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.planet.net.tn (smtp.planet.tn [193.95.123.25]) by tounes-22.ati.tn (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i069YtqJ006485 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:34:55 +0200 (EET) Received: from sergevidal ([213.150.173.238]) by smtp1.planet.net.tn (Switch-3.1.3/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i06CZQaO007503 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:35:27 -0100 (GMT) From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:33:19 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c3d440$810f39c0$2c0101c0@ate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: KR>Test X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: serge.vidal@ate-international.com, KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:03:15 -0800 From: larry severson To: tbsr@arctic.net, KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Training Quandry, can KR's have dual pedals and sticks? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031218085737.02534518@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3FE18B30.912153B0@arctic.net> References: <007a01c3c45a$3da01d30$0301a8c0@wotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Dual sticks are easy. Where the plans place the single stick, place a control horn, with the same offset bolt holes as on the existing stick, in the center of a supporting tube the mounts on the main wing spar near the outside foot of each seat. Cut the tube to mount the control sticks between the legs. The current control cabling will stay the same. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:52:50 -0800 From: "Sylvio Ratelle" To: Subject: KR>Want to buy a KR2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Hi Guys, I’m looking to buy a completed and flying KR2. I don’t have enough years left to spend them on a long-term building project. I’m also not looking for bells and whistles, just a well built, light weight basic airframe/engine combo, preferably located somewhere west of the Rockies. Electrical system is not essential. My avionics is all hand held and I still know hot to prop an engine. Tail dragger preferred but will consider a tri-gear. Contact me off-line at wesrat@sdccu.net 760-729504. Wes ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 272, Issue 1 *************************************