From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:58 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 275, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things (Orma Robbins) 2. math question -sheesh (Steve and Lori McGee) 3. Re: math question -sheesh--Chilll (Scott Cable) 4. TriMotor - Gives me an idea! (Steve and Lori McGee) 5. RE: TriMotor - Gives me an idea! (Dan Exstrom) 6. Southern Idaho KR Project???? (ricksilvia) 7. capitalization and punctuation (Mark Langford) 8. Re: capitalization and punctuation (Mark Jones) 9. Re: capitalization and punctuation (Steve and Lori McGee) 10. Re: capitalization and punctuation (Mark Jones) 11. Re: capitalization and punctuation (Mark Jones) 12. Re: capitalization and punctuation (Barry Kruyssen) 13. New KR2S eBay Listing (Mark Jones) 14. Re:NOT KR>capitalization and punctuation 15. coating 4130 steel to prevent rusting (Harold Woods) 16. Re: capitalization and punctuation (Norm Seel) 17. Re:NOT KR>capitalization and punctuation: Same Subject Lines (Scott Cable) 18. Re: capitalization and punctuation (Norm Seel) 19. Re: capitalization and punctuation (gwvandor) 20. Pushtubes (Colin & Bev Rainey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:14:44 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things Message-ID: <000c01c3d63d$34709b50$b2cf4944@ROBBINS1> References: <20040108184659.10777.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Hi Scott: Where did you just move the CG to?? Remember that going where no man has gone before means that you go alone. Every non plans mod that you make should be tested. You need to find some way to test or calculate the new weak spot, just in case your KR approaches or exceeds one of the designed structural limits. Orma aka AviationMech 19 Years flying the KR-2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:24:13 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>math question -sheesh Message-ID: <008801c3d646$e8eb85f0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 Guess the quality tech training took over and expected to come up with = an exact angle and mount hole dimension to make the wafs before mounting = the front ones and holding things up and measuring this that, bend a = little here, etc... Trying to make things too hard maybe. What is that = mantra now??? Good enuf for KR work.... Good enuf .... Thanks any way. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:07:19 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>math question -sheesh--Chilll Message-ID: <20040109010719.44486.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <008801c3d646$e8eb85f0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 Steve, Again, if you can wait till Sunday, I'll be happy to lay it out for you on Unigraphics, and let you know the angles and bend locations. I can't get it done any sooner, I've been putting in 13 hour days (plus driving time) at work. I've got 3 Feature Freeze Releases this Tommorrow and Monday. If someone else wants to Buck up and relieve my work load, have at it! But I can understand about wanting to have this laid out on CAD. It will make a much better airplane. --- Steve and Lori McGee wrote: > Guess the quality tech training took over and > expected to come up with an exact angle and mount > hole dimension to make the wafs before mounting the > front ones and holding things up and measuring this > that, bend a little here, etc... Trying to make > things too hard maybe. What is that mantra now??? > Good enuf for KR work.... Good enuf .... ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:32:56 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>TriMotor - Gives me an idea! Message-ID: <001c01c3d658$e4070fc0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 I always dreamed of flying a P38. I wonder - 2 corvairs to scale and.... hmmmmm Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:31:09 -0800 From: "Dan Exstrom" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>TriMotor - Gives me an idea! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c3d658$e4070fc0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Somebody in Kingman, AZ is working on just such a plane. Heard about it at the Corvair meet in Bullhead City several years ago. Don't know how far along he is with the project, but he had 2 'vairs set up to go. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steve and Lori McGee Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:33 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>TriMotor - Gives me an idea! I always dreamed of flying a P38. I wonder - 2 corvairs to scale and.... hmmmmm Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:43:03 -0800 From: "ricksilvia" To: Subject: KR>Southern Idaho KR Project???? Message-ID: <00a501c3d662$b5384a10$96f734cc@Oren> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 Hello Does one of the list membors live in sothern Idaho and recentlly = acquired a KR-2 project from around the Lewiston Idaho area. If so I have some = information for you.. Rick Williams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:07:38 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 NetHeads, I made a fairly snide remark about keyboards and periods the other day, and got several comments on it. Most thought it was long overdue, and quite appropriate, but one said I'd been way too hard on the guy, that I must be some kind of frustrated English teacher, and he basically thought I was out of line for "flaming" him. I understand that some people just can't spell. Engineers are famous for that. But I simply can't believe that there are people who can't grasp the concept capitalizing the first word of a sentence, and putting a period at the end of a sentence. If you can read, surely you can manage these two feats. But I'll take his word for it and offer the following advice for those who didn't learn the basics in second grade: Sentences are groups of words that express a concept. The beginning of each new sentence has a "capital" letter. That means that you hit the "shift" key on your keyboard right before and during striking the key that will be the first word of your sentence, and you'll end up with a large "capital" letter beginning your sentence. The other thing to grasp is that when your concept (sentence) ends, you put a period, or dot (located near the lower right corner of your keyboard). These two visual queues greatly facilitate (help) the reader to understand what it is you're trying to say. However, I suspect that it is not ignorance, but pure laziness and inconsideration that leads to this behavior. The writer is too lazy to bother spending the extra few seconds it takes to capitalize words and end sentences with periods. He saves a few seconds on the message, and then causes four hundred readers to scratch their heads and read the paragraph four times to decipher their code. Often, the reader walks away having no idea what the writer was trying to say, or deciding that whatever it was, it was probably senseless anyway. If you add up all the time that was wasted trying to read these posts, you end up with at least an hour of wasted KR productivity, all so some inconsiderate dolt could save a few seconds pecking out a message. It all boils down to pure inconsideration, in my humble opinion, and ignoring the other "rules" of this list are right up there with it. Some day I'm going to snap, and start throwing people off the list for refusing to delete the previous five posts to which they are replying. Again, pure inconsideration for the other members of the list. I'm not far from giving up here... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:14:42 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <00b301c3d667$1bccfba0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Thanks Mark........that was long over due. May I also emphasize two words "SPELL CHECK" it really is not that hard to do guys!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: KR>capitalization and punctuation > NetHeads, > > I made a fairly snide remark about keyboards and periods the other day, and > got several comments on it. Most thought it was long overdue, and quite > appropriate, but one said I'd been way too hard on the guy, that I must be > some kind of frustrated English teacher, and he basically thought I was out > of line for "flaming" him. > > I understand that some people just can't spell. Engineers are famous for > that. But I simply can't believe that there are people who can't grasp the > concept capitalizing the first word of a sentence, and putting a period at > the end of a sentence. If you can read, surely you can manage these two > feats. But I'll take his word for it and offer the following advice for > those who didn't learn the basics in second grade: > > Sentences are groups of words that express a concept. The beginning of each > new sentence has a "capital" letter. That means that you hit the "shift" > key on your keyboard right before and during striking the key that will be > the first word of your sentence, and you'll end up with a large "capital" > letter beginning your sentence. The other thing to grasp is that when your > concept (sentence) ends, you put a period, or dot (located near the lower > right corner of your keyboard). These two visual queues greatly facilitate > (help) the reader to understand what it is you're trying to say. > > However, I suspect that it is not ignorance, but pure laziness and > inconsideration that leads to this behavior. The writer is too lazy to > bother spending the extra few seconds it takes to capitalize words and end > sentences with periods. He saves a few seconds on the message, and then > causes four hundred readers to scratch their heads and read the paragraph > four times to decipher their code. Often, the reader walks away having no > idea what the writer was trying to say, or deciding that whatever it was, it > was probably senseless anyway. If you add up all the time that was wasted > trying to read these posts, you end up with at least an hour of wasted KR > productivity, all so some inconsiderate dolt could save a few seconds > pecking out a message. It all boils down to pure inconsideration, in my > humble opinion, and ignoring the other "rules" of this list are right up > there with it. > > Some day I'm going to snap, and start throwing people off the list for > refusing to delete the previous five posts to which they are replying. > Again, pure inconsideration for the other members of the list. I'm not far > from giving up here... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:18:43 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <005d01c3d667$ab488ce0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Mark and uh - Mark You need to relax. There's a line in " Good morning Viet Nam" for guys like you. But to quote it would probably get me kicked off the list. You didn't here from many guys that it didn't bother because, WelL iT didn'T bothEr uS. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:24:05 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <00bd01c3d668$6b08fd80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> <00b301c3d667$1bccfba0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 For those who do not know what Spell Check is, it is on your tool bar and can be done manually or set to automatically check the spelling every time you send the e-mail. Spell Check will even alert me to sentence fragments, incorrect spacing and capitalization and punctuation. There is not really an excuse for poor grammar on e-mails when the system will correct it all for you. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation > Thanks Mark........that was long over due. May I also emphasize two words > "SPELL CHECK" it really is not that hard to do guys!!! > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: KR>capitalization and punctuation > > > > NetHeads, > > > > I made a fairly snide remark about keyboards and periods the other day, > and > > got several comments on it. Most thought it was long overdue, and quite > > appropriate, but one said I'd been way too hard on the guy, that I must be > > some kind of frustrated English teacher, and he basically thought I was > out > > of line for "flaming" him. > > > > I understand that some people just can't spell. Engineers are famous for > > that. But I simply can't believe that there are people who can't grasp > the > > concept capitalizing the first word of a sentence, and putting a period at > > the end of a sentence. If you can read, surely you can manage these two > > feats. But I'll take his word for it and offer the following advice for > > those who didn't learn the basics in second grade: > > > > Sentences are groups of words that express a concept. The beginning of > each > > new sentence has a "capital" letter. That means that you hit the "shift" > > key on your keyboard right before and during striking the key that will be > > the first word of your sentence, and you'll end up with a large "capital" > > letter beginning your sentence. The other thing to grasp is that when > your > > concept (sentence) ends, you put a period, or dot (located near the lower > > right corner of your keyboard). These two visual queues greatly > facilitate > > (help) the reader to understand what it is you're trying to say. > > > > However, I suspect that it is not ignorance, but pure laziness and > > inconsideration that leads to this behavior. The writer is too lazy to > > bother spending the extra few seconds it takes to capitalize words and end > > sentences with periods. He saves a few seconds on the message, and then > > causes four hundred readers to scratch their heads and read the paragraph > > four times to decipher their code. Often, the reader walks away having > no > > idea what the writer was trying to say, or deciding that whatever it was, > it > > was probably senseless anyway. If you add up all the time that was wasted > > trying to read these posts, you end up with at least an hour of wasted KR > > productivity, all so some inconsiderate dolt could save a few seconds > > pecking out a message. It all boils down to pure inconsideration, in my > > humble opinion, and ignoring the other "rules" of this list are right up > > there with it. > > > > Some day I'm going to snap, and start throwing people off the list for > > refusing to delete the previous five posts to which they are replying. > > Again, pure inconsideration for the other members of the list. I'm not > far > > from giving up here... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:24:46 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <00c301c3d668$83dac000$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> <005d01c3d667$ab488ce0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Just trying to help people learn Steve. I guess some just don't care. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:18 PM Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation > Mark and uh - Mark > > You need to relax. > > There's a line in " Good morning Viet Nam" for guys like you. But to quote > it would probably get me kicked off the list. > > You didn't here from many guys that it didn't bother because, WelL iT > didn'T bothEr uS. > > > > Steve McGee > Endeavor Wi. USA > Building a KR2S widened. > lmcgee@maqs.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:37:57 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <014e01c3d66a$5d5784c0$bf00a8c0@t1w419> References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> <005d01c3d667$ab488ce0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Well as somebody it doesn't bother, I will point out that using correct spelling and grammar makes it easier for non English speaking people to understand and shows consideration for others. (We are not a bunch geeks with our own short hand language) My spelling and grammar are rough sometimes and that's after I've read my email several times before sending (reread this one 3 time, so far). (one should have paid more attention at school, shouldn't I've :-) But this has nothing to with flying, especially KR2 flying. I'm ready to fly but cannot find hanger space in my area for another 5 weeks, 100km (60 miles) radius. So I have some more time to recheck things, I'll propably make some changes to cowling ducting. Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia kr2@BigPond.com AUF Registered 19-3873 http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:18 PM Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation > Mark and uh - Mark > > You need to relax. > > There's a line in " Good morning Viet Nam" for guys like you. But to quote > it would probably get me kicked off the list. > > You didn't here from many guys that it didn't bother because, WelL iT > didn'T bothEr uS. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:00:16 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>New KR2S eBay Listing Message-ID: <00f701c3d66d$796753e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 13 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D245333627= 7&category=3D26428 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:22:25 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re:NOT KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <17e.250a9e19.2d2f9491@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Guys, Not every one speaks English as their first language and some people have really fat fingers. I signed up to learn about building my KR and to get great ideas. So far all I've seen is fighting, bickering and guys acting like high school punks. I want more KR related e-mails and less of the swollen heads. If you guys are going to keep sending out these email without KR content then put "NOT KR" in the subject so I can just delete them and not have to read about guys fighting via the net. Chris Theroux Gilbert, Az ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:43:45 -0500 From: "Harold Woods" To: Subject: KR>coating 4130 steel to prevent rusting Message-ID: <00ac01c3d673$8c517e80$08ee6418@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Gavin.- You must coat the 4130 steel because it will rust otherwise. (It loves to rust). You also want to firmly attatch the WAFs in place. Never trust "Paint and epoxy to stick together. Prime the 4130 with Epoxy primer (green in color) , then your flox or fibreglass or whatever will adhere to it. The automotive trade is now using an excellect epoxy primer containing zinc chromate .Most Auto paints adhere well to the epoxy primer (catalysed urethanes). Regards Harold Woods Orillia,ON Canada haroldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/3/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 02:21:23 -0800 From: "Norm Seel" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <004301c3d69a$55945d00$e6c12304@dslverizon.net> References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> <005d01c3d667$ab488ce0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Hear is spelled hear (like with ears). or perhaps this was intended. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation > Mark and uh - Mark > > You need to relax. > > There's a line in " Good morning Viet Nam" for guys like you. But to quote > it would probably get me kicked off the list. > > You didn't here from many guys that it didn't bother because, WelL iT > didn'T bothEr uS. > > > > Steve McGee > Endeavor Wi. USA > Building a KR2S widened. > lmcgee@maqs.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:19:24 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re:NOT KR>capitalization and punctuation: Same Subject Lines Message-ID: <20040109071924.1665.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <17e.250a9e19.2d2f9491@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 Chris & Mark J. and Mark L, what the hell, Steve too. You all have hit on pet pieve subjects, and have gotten your rants in... well sorta. I whole heartedly support the "Marks" here. It's not that difficult to use spell check. If English is not you primary language, then you should spell check every message that you send. It will give you a better grasp of the English language. If you have fat fingers, or "really fat fingers" then I encourage you to pick up one of those fat fingers and hit the spell check key before the send key, everytime. Mark L is absolutely correct, however he left out one very important point; Change the subject line whenever you reply. You open 40 eMail's with the same subject-line, only to find that not only isn't about the subject line, but not even aviation related. Since when does Aerocarb in the Subject line have anything to do about sliderulers? Mark has been a much more tolerant host than many of us would be if we were trying to fill his shoes, so if he gets a little frustrated my lazy really fat fingered, inconsiderate high school acting punk ingrates.... More power to him, cause he's right. So I'd really like to quote a line from the Deniro movie "Midnight Run" I 've got two words for ya....... Chilllllllllll out! Now go sand on your airplane..... Boeing757mech1@aol.com wrote: Guys, Not every one speaks English as their first language and some people have really fat fingers. I signed up to learn about building my KR and to get great ideas. So far all I've seen is fighting, bickering and guys acting like high school punks. I want more KR related e-mails and less of the swollen heads. If you guys are going to keep sending out these email without KR content then put "NOT KR" in the subject so I can just delete them and not have to read about guys fighting via the net. Chris Theroux Gilbert, Az _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" SweepstakesFrom norman.seel@verizon.net Thu Jan 08 23:36:41 2004 Received: from out001pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.140] helo=out001.verizon.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AerCD-000MJV-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 23:36:41 -0800 Received: from pavilion ([4.35.193.230]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040109072614.NREZ25266.out001.verizon.net@pavilion> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:26:14 -0600 Message-ID: <000501c3d69b$94491bc0$e6c12304@dslverizon.net> From: "Norm Seel" To: "KRnet" References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> <00b301c3d667$1bccfba0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 02:30:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [4.35.193.230] at Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:26:14 -0600 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: "Over due", in this instance, I believe should be spelled "overdue". Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation > Thanks Mark........that was long over due. May I also emphasize two words > "SPELL CHECK" it really is not that hard to do guys!!! > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: KR>capitalization and punctuation > > > > NetHeads, > > > > I made a fairly snide remark about keyboards and periods the other day, > and > > got several comments on it. Most thought it was long overdue, and quite > > appropriate, but one said I'd been way too hard on the guy, that I must be > > some kind of frustrated English teacher, and he basically thought I was > out > > of line for "flaming" him. > > > > I understand that some people just can't spell. Engineers are famous for > > that. But I simply can't believe that there are people who can't grasp > the > > concept capitalizing the first word of a sentence, and putting a period at > > the end of a sentence. If you can read, surely you can manage these two > > feats. But I'll take his word for it and offer the following advice for > > those who didn't learn the basics in second grade: > > > > Sentences are groups of words that express a concept. The beginning of > each > > new sentence has a "capital" letter. That means that you hit the "shift" > > key on your keyboard right before and during striking the key that will be > > the first word of your sentence, and you'll end up with a large "capital" > > letter beginning your sentence. The other thing to grasp is that when > your > > concept (sentence) ends, you put a period, or dot (located near the lower > > right corner of your keyboard). These two visual queues greatly > facilitate > > (help) the reader to understand what it is you're trying to say. > > > > However, I suspect that it is not ignorance, but pure laziness and > > inconsideration that leads to this behavior. The writer is too lazy to > > bother spending the extra few seconds it takes to capitalize words and end > > sentences with periods. He saves a few seconds on the message, and then > > causes four hundred readers to scratch their heads and read the paragraph > > four times to decipher their code. Often, the reader walks away having > no > > idea what the writer was trying to say, or deciding that whatever it was, > it > > was probably senseless anyway. If you add up all the time that was wasted > > trying to read these posts, you end up with at least an hour of wasted KR > > productivity, all so some inconsiderate dolt could save a few seconds > > pecking out a message. It all boils down to pure inconsideration, in my > > humble opinion, and ignoring the other "rules" of this list are right up > > there with it. > > > > Some day I'm going to snap, and start throwing people off the list for > > refusing to delete the previous five posts to which they are replying. > > Again, pure inconsideration for the other members of the list. I'm not > far > > from giving up here... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 02:40:11 -0800 From: "Norm Seel" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <000b01c3d69c$f5653a00$e6c12304@dslverizon.net> References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 "day, and got several"- I don't believe there should be a coma after day, unless the sentence reads "and I got". It is probably time for me to get flamed. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: KR>capitalization and punctuation > NetHeads, > > I made a fairly snide remark about keyboards and periods the other day, and > got several comments on it. Most thought it was long overdue, and quite > appropriate, but one said I'd been way too hard on the guy, that I must be > some kind of frustrated English teacher, and he basically thought I was out > of line for "flaming" him. > > I understand that some people just can't spell. Engineers are famous for > that. But I simply can't believe that there are people who can't grasp the > concept capitalizing the first word of a sentence, and putting a period at > the end of a sentence. If you can read, surely you can manage these two > feats. But I'll take his word for it and offer the following advice for > those who didn't learn the basics in second grade: > > Sentences are groups of words that express a concept. The beginning of each > new sentence has a "capital" letter. That means that you hit the "shift" > key on your keyboard right before and during striking the key that will be > the first word of your sentence, and you'll end up with a large "capital" > letter beginning your sentence. The other thing to grasp is that when your > concept (sentence) ends, you put a period, or dot (located near the lower > right corner of your keyboard). These two visual queues greatly facilitate > (help) the reader to understand what it is you're trying to say. > > However, I suspect that it is not ignorance, but pure laziness and > inconsideration that leads to this behavior. The writer is too lazy to > bother spending the extra few seconds it takes to capitalize words and end > sentences with periods. He saves a few seconds on the message, and then > causes four hundred readers to scratch their heads and read the paragraph > four times to decipher their code. Often, the reader walks away having no > idea what the writer was trying to say, or deciding that whatever it was, it > was probably senseless anyway. If you add up all the time that was wasted > trying to read these posts, you end up with at least an hour of wasted KR > productivity, all so some inconsiderate dolt could save a few seconds > pecking out a message. It all boils down to pure inconsideration, in my > humble opinion, and ignoring the other "rules" of this list are right up > there with it. > > Some day I'm going to snap, and start throwing people off the list for > refusing to delete the previous five posts to which they are replying. > Again, pure inconsideration for the other members of the list. I'm not far > from giving up here... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 04:57:53 -0600 From: "gwvandor" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <000801c3d69f$6ea977d0$0100a8c0@yourib3g4dzt9h> References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> <000b01c3d69c$f5653a00$e6c12304@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm Seel" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 4:40 AM Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation > "day, and got several"- I don't believe there should be a coma after day, > unless the sentence reads "and I got". It is probably time for me to get > flamed. Norm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:07 PM > Subject: KR>capitalization and punctuation > > > > NetHeads, > > > > I made a fairly snide remark about keyboards and periods the other day, > and > > got several comments on it. Most thought it was long overdue, and quite > > appropriate, but one said I'd been way too hard on the guy, that I must be > > some kind of frustrated English teacher, and he basically thought I was > out > > of line for "flaming" him. > > > > I understand that some people just can't spell. Engineers are famous for > > that. But I simply can't believe that there are people who can't grasp > the > > concept capitalizing the first word of a sentence, and putting a period at > > the end of a sentence. If you can read, surely you can manage these two > > feats. But I'll take his word for it and offer the following advice for > > those who didn't learn the basics in second grade: > > > > Sentences are groups of words that express a concept. The beginning of > each > > new sentence has a "capital" letter. That means that you hit the "shift" > > key on your keyboard right before and during striking the key that will be > > the first word of your sentence, and you'll end up with a large "capital" > > letter beginning your sentence. The other thing to grasp is that when > your > > concept (sentence) ends, you put a period, or dot (located near the lower > > right corner of your keyboard). These two visual queues greatly > facilitate > > (help) the reader to understand what it is you're trying to say. > > > > However, I suspect that it is not ignorance, but pure laziness and > > inconsideration that leads to this behavior. The writer is too lazy to > > bother spending the extra few seconds it takes to capitalize words and end > > sentences with periods. He saves a few seconds on the message, and then > > causes four hundred readers to scratch their heads and read the paragraph > > four times to decipher their code. Often, the reader walks away having > no > > idea what the writer was trying to say, or deciding that whatever it was, > it > > was probably senseless anyway. If you add up all the time that was wasted > > trying to read these posts, you end up with at least an hour of wasted KR > > productivity, all so some inconsiderate dolt could save a few seconds > > pecking out a message. It all boils down to pure inconsideration, in my > > humble opinion, and ignoring the other "rules" of this list are right up > > there with it. > > > > Some day I'm going to snap, and start throwing people off the list for > > refusing to delete the previous five posts to which they are replying. > > Again, pure inconsideration for the other members of the list. I'm not > far > > from giving up here... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >hey cool this is wat i need!this will get my plane flying and i remember it well on the test flight!sorry mark!just a coment from a guy thats cant spell to save my life!goob builting george v> > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 06:49:20 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: Subject: KR>Pushtubes Message-ID: <003801c3d6a6$9e6dd860$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 20 Netters, Just remember if you desire to make a long run of the pushtube as I did, = you have to increase the diameter of the tube relative to the length. In = other words the longer the bigger. I believe Dana in his RV has one = that is thin wall 1 1/2" T6 aluminum, to go a distance of some 6-7' . = My friend Bill who has a Thorp T-18 has almost the same length run and = uses the same diameter. He is a mechanical engineer and told me that = runs over 4 feet have to be twice as strong in compression (the pushing = part) as it does shorter than that. My tube is 1" thick walled T6, with = an interior piece of 5/8" that was the original tube before I found out = about the compression issue. Dana has a list of parts he used to = assemble his and I am sure if you write him he would send you a copy of = that list. I prefer the pushtube for the elevator control, because = there is alot more solid feel to it, and that is re-assuring to me, = considering that I can make up for the failure of one of either of the = other controls, but pitch is next to impossible to have a back-up plan = for unless your KR is equipped with elevator trim. That is also a = future project and one that all netters may want to consider, is the = ability to make up for elevator control cable failure, by using the trim = to make an emergency landing. Just some thoughts..... Oh, and I do use spellchecker and a southern drawl translator! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 275, Issue 1 *************************************